How Conservatives Will Try To Sink Sotomayor

First off, it must be said that Second Circuit Judge Sonia Sotomayor appears to have a relatively easy path to confirmation on the U.S. Supreme Court, if President Obama announces her nomination later this morning, as the Associated Press has reported he will. The likelihood of a filibuster is slim. Democrats control nearly 60, if not 60, seats in the Senate.

That said, conservatives are still going to mount an all out effort to stop her, if only because Supreme Court battles can be fund-raising, list-building manna from heaven. So how will they take on Sotomayor? This morning I spoke with Curt Levey, the executive director of the Committee For Justice, a conservative legal group, which will position itself in the middle of the coming fight. He said he was shocked by the reports that Obama had selected Sotomayor. “I didn’t think he would go that radical,” Levey said. “There is so much to go after there. . . . But I think that’s what happens when you box yourself into a corner–say it has to be a Hispanic, it has to be a woman.”

He listed three areas where Sotomayor was a relatively easy target: policy making from the bench, affirmative action, and second amendment rights. For good measure he called Sotomayor the “biggest intellectual lightweight of all the top nominees.” All of these problems, he said, could add up to “a Harriet Myers situation,” where Sotomayor would be forced to withdraw her nomination. (As a historical parallel, Myers is a strained one; she was forced to withdraw because of outrage within the president’s own party, something that is unlikely to happen with Sotomayor.)

Here is a quick breakdown of the big three targets Levey hopes to draw.

A Policy Making Judge. As a matter of political rhetoric, the worst thing that a judge can do is “make policy from the bench,” thus upsetting, conservatives say, the sacrosanct separation of powers in the constitution, which gives policy making powers to the executive and the legislature. On this point, Sotomayor has been known to tell jokes, which could cause problems. Interpreting these remarks — “court of appeals is where policy is made. And I know — and I know this is on tape and I should never say that because we don’t make law, I know” — requires a sufficient understanding of the limits and reach of sarcasm. But this will no doubt be an oft repeated clip in the coming weeks. (The liberal hounds at Media Matters are already on the case with the counter-spin.)

Affirmative Action. Sotomayor was part of a panel that rejected the complaint of a white New Haven firefighter who scored high on an in-house test but was denied promotion. The complaint later led to a split ruling on the Circuit Court, and was appealed to the Supreme Court. Stuart Taylor, of the National Journal, has also complained that Sotomayor and two other judges dismissed the case in an unnecessarily secretive way: “a cursory, unpublished order that disclosed virtually nothing about the nature of the ideologically explosive case.”

Second Amendment. On a case that concerned nunchucks–no joke–Sotomayor ruled that the recent Supreme Court Heller decision, which struck down a District of Columbia gun ban on federal grounds, should not apply to states. The National Rifle Association types did not much like this. “That should be enough to draw the gun rights people,” said Levey.

Will any of it work to stop her? The odds are real long. But both liberals and conservatives have a lot to gain by making this a fight. So expect a noisy fight.

UPDATE: For more on lines of attack against Sotomayor read Tom Goldstein over at Scotusblog.

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  • http://privcorr.blogspot.com/ wvng

    It won’t help if the media does stoopid things like this that Amy reported at Political Animal on May 26, 2009 at 9:28 AM:
    Now, this is odd. Politico calls her a “Latina single mother.”
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    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22962.html#ixzz0GcPpb5Tb&A
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    Given that articles have noted that she has no children and therefore sees her clerks as her children, where did the reporters get that idea? It seems like they have internalized some stereotypes about minority women.

  • bitterpill8

    Politico (aka Mike Allen) has become the link between Sludge and Morning Blow. So look for Scarborough to channel anti-Sotomayor sludge.

  • plukasiak

    a real reporter would not merely act as a stenographer for the far right, but would provide some actual perspective.
    _
    but its hacks like you that advance the cause of racists by repeating BS claims like “But I think that’s what happens when you box yourself into a corner–say it has to be a Hispanic, it has to be a woman.”
    _
    Sotomayor has more experience on the federal bench than any nominee for at least 70 years. (Alito was praised for his 15 years experience…Sotomayor has been on the bench since 1992). She is a highly qualified judge who would be an outstanding candidate regardless of her gender/ethnicity, and allowing the kind of racist accusations to go unrebutted is simply wrong.
    _
    Indeed, its so obviously wrong that your failure to correct the record, your willingness to simply reinforce the rhetoric of bigotry and hate, tells us a lot about where you are coming from — and the fact that its probably “subconscious” doesn’t excuse the fact that you are simply spewing “white male” talking points without rebuttal.

  • http://privcorr.blogspot.com/ wvng

    Likelihood of a filibuster is slim? 60 votes? Maybe not. Christy Hardin Smith had this thought today:
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    Suddenly, the Ben Nelson fishing expedition on Fox News over the weekend comes into sharper focus: he’s making a move while his vote still has cash value. And before one of the other “floaters” cuts a deal of their own.

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  • spob

    The panel’s stunt in the New Haven firefighters case was appalling.
    .
    http://bench.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NzI4ODU1MjIxMThiNGQzODUwYTFlYzNlNWNlOWMzOTc=
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    Had Alito or Roberts pulled a stunt like that, Obama would have been leading the charge.
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    Let’s hope the news media spares us the BS about the GOP blocking a Hispanic. The Dems did the same thing to Estrada.
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    And a filibuster is ok. Obama tried to do it to Alito.

  • FlownOver

    Shorter Scherer: There Will Be Politics.

  • sacredh

    It wouldn’t surpise me if a GOP senator or two in states with a large Hispanic bloc decides not to join in a filibuster. 2010 was already shaping up as a tough year for them. This is going to be fun.

  • rustyreturns

    MS, you are correct in assuming there will be a conservative / libertarian “backlash” to this appointment, IF, she can make it through the process.
    .
    Just look at the woman’s body language in this video footage when she attempts to explain away the “policy making” statemtn about judicial branch’s role is to define the law, not make the law.
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    The Mont Blanc pen twirlling and the hand to the neck is a clear indication of what she is saying does not match the body language she is attempting to hide in the truth of how she really feels.
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    The pen twirlling is indicative of being very uncomfortable with this questions or her answer. Also the hand to the neck/chin indicates in body language that she is saying something that she totally does not believe in, that she is lying. A hand to the neck like that is a non-verbal way of attempting to shut herself up.
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    Hopefully this arrogant, “policy making” judge will be kept as far away from the Supreme Court as possible. She is not what we need in a Supreme Court Justice.

  • greenlyfe

    I think the White House is praying the Right fights this pick. She’s not only an immensely qualified jurist but she has been a prosecutor, private litigator, trial judge, and appellate judge. No one else on the court has done as much; she’s also got the big ivy degree. She’s a woman. She’s a Hispanic. Basically, the right would be shooting themselves in the foot to hit an inevitable nominee that will not change the balance of the court.

    *

    This is the Gimme Pick for Obama; the next SCOTUS is the fight they HAVE to have on the right. But if they go nuclear on Sotomayor they’re going to have a lot to live down in 2010 in the west and southwest.

    *

    I’m glad the administration didn’t let those hit pieces affect the choice; this is brilliant politically and substantively if you’re a liberal IMO.

  • 53_3

    greenlyfe:
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    That’s what I was just hearing from my BIL.
    .
    The truth is, I know how the GOP is going to “sink” her nomination:
    .
    They simply cannot do it!

  • 53_3

    spob:
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    I hope they do. I sincerely do. Say goombye to the Hispanic vote, too.
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    I am posilutely certain that you, rusty, and the Great White Whale will be fine with that.
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    Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes!
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    Oooof!
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    Damn, that hurt

  • wreckingballreport

    Get ready for one sassy confirmation process to include questions like “Puerto Rico, that’s pretty damn close to Cuba, isn’t it Ms. Sotomayor?”

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  • spob

    “immensely qualified”–come on guys, that’s Roberts. Not her. Her actions in the Ricci case were appalling.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Of course they are going to go nuclear. All that is left of the GOP is the extreme right wing and as all extremist inevitably do, they will go one step too far and this is it. They are already teetering on the edge of the abyss, they have no chance with African Americans or gays after decades of race baiting and homophobic antics. Now after a racist campaign against illegal immigration if they attack this Hispanic woman justice they will close the door on Hispanic voters as well. Young people have turned their backs and women are increasingly turning a deaf ear. So go for it GOP, you are your own worse enemy so please let me get out of your way while you take yourself out of contention.
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    And for the record, Obama’s speech writers, members of the press, and anyone else reluctant to do due diligence, including Sotomayor who now ascribes to her own press clippings, in order to make her life story sound even more hard pressed — The Bronxdale housing projects is no where near Yankee stadium nor is it in the South Bronx!

  • 53_3

    Speaking of nucular, Dee, check this bit o’ stupidity from Nevada’s own:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/26/nevada-governor-turns-down-obama-airport-meeting-2/
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    I sincerely hope they do go nuclear. They will fizzle like NK’s first test…

  • 53_3

    spob:
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    I sincerely hope you can find a nice island somewhere that isn’t being gobbled up by subductive process where you can establish your white homeland.
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    That way, there’s at least some place on this planet for all those disenfrachised whites.
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    Think of it as an extenstion of the Endangered Species Act.
    .
    Or something…

  • 53_3

    “So go for it GOP, you are your own worse enemy so please let me get out of your way while you take yourself out of contention.”
    Dee:
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    I think it’s a grassroots movement.
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    It seems that everyone in the GOP, from the lowly spob and rusty to the very top of the ticket routinely kick their own arses and call it a victory!
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    I’ll be bringing some popcorn to this one…

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    The liberal hounds at Media Matters are already on the case with the counter-spin
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    Michael, do you think it is part of your job as a reporter to determine whether the arguments of the conservative attackers or those of the “liberal hounds” make more sense? Or do you think it’s your job merely to relate both sides?
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    This is just a blog post, not an article or anything, so I’m just wondering where you come down on that.

  • 53_3

    Micheal is in “bipartisan” mode.

  • gysgt213

    “The likelihood of a filibuster is slim. Democrats control nearly 60, if not 60, seats in the Senate.”
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    Come on. Really? There could be one republican in the senate and Hary Reid would allow him or her to secretly hold and filibuster any damn thing they wanted to while explaining to everyone else there is nothing he can do about it. 99 votes aren’t enough Reid.
    .
    But the reality is that, the only way we know how to cover something is to pretend its a high school football game media and afraid to appear liberal enabling democrats give the republicans all the support they need to sink any damn thing they want. Do the republicans have legit concerns over this nominee whom was first picked by HW Bush? We will never find out.

  • bobcn1

    I was initially favoring her nomination, based upon her academic and legal accomplishments and honors. But then it was pointed out that she twirls her Mont Blanc pen…

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    53–Sometimes I think that if it wasn’t for stupidity, Republicans would have no brain activity at all. It was the GOP that started the finger pointing at companies using bailout money for luxury junkets and that rhetoric is what forced the president to call for a halt to the junkets. So if the governor of Nevada wants to complain he ought to first take this up with his own asinine party that started this fight in the first place.

  • spob

    Guys, defend the panel’s actions in the Ricci case. Come on, even Cabranes thought it was garbage.
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    But you can’t, so you play the spob is a racist angle. F**k off.

  • 53_3

    Dee:
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    You have to forgive me. I woke up to this wonderful gift this morning. I have been saying all along that these guys are dumber than warm rocks on a windowsill, and they are proving it more each day.
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    I wonder what kind of jokes she will tell when she sits the bench after her confirmation/GOP-self-flagellation hearings?

  • 53_3

    Well spob, you certainly seem to think it was whites that were the victims of slavery and all, so why not have a little fun at your expense?
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    I mean, lately, that’s all you do is to talk about how whites are suffering this and that and the other thing. There may be individual cases that have merit, but I have to say:
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    You are so inverted when it comes to Civil Rights…

  • kevin

    So she has a better academic record than Alito — she graduated Summa Cum Laude and won the Pyne Prize at Princeton, its top honor for undergraduates — and a longer tenure on the bench than Alito. .
    I can’t wait to hear the conservatives who pushed Alito try to say that Sotomayor comes up short in comparison.
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    She’s such a “radical,” Curt Levey? First appointed by George H. W. Bush? Do tell.

  • Paul-no not that one

    This is all so tiredly predictable.

  • 53_3
  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Funny thing, Sotomayor was only one vote on a panel in the Ricci case. A panel that including plenty of white people. And the majority ruled as she did. So were the rest of the white people who also agreed with Sotomayor wrong? I wonder what the trolls have to say about them. Should they all be disbarred and run out of town on a rail? See what the trolls don’t understand is that they would have a much stronger case if Sotomayor was in the minority on that decision, but she wasn’t. Hell I say have at it hoss. Throw her entirely under the bus. You don’t have the votes to stop the nominaiton, but you can SURELY trash the Republican brand even further with minorites. Phuck it, the GOP is on a kamikaze mission these days anyway. Might as well go ahead and go all the way.
    .
    But here is the bestest part ever of this nomination. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk will DEFINITELY make some racists and sexist remarks about Sotomayor. The kind of sh*t ditto heads will eat up. But unfortunately none of the Republicans in Congress have the balls to stand up to el Rushbo. So he gets to become the face of the Republican Party for hispanics. If you are a Democrat you have got to love that prospect.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Committee For Justice, a conservative legal group”
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    “liberal hounds at Media Matters”
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    Which group has hurt Scherer’s feelings?

  • sqr1

    As usual, the GOP has no shame about spouting legal nonsense in order to score political points.
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    Of passing entertainment value, when one hears an idiotic GOP talking point, one may feel free to speculate whether the given wingnut is a disingenuous hack who ought to know better (I’m counting on Lindsey Graham to fill this role) or simply an ignorant rube who cuts-and-pastes legal nonsense from The Corner or Limbaugh (Here’s looking at you spob!)

  • gysgt213

    Bill Clinton nominated Sotomayor for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in 1997. George H. W. Bush nominated Sotomayor as a federal judge in 1991 — a position that made Sotomayor the youngest judge in the Southern District of New York and the first Hispanic federal judge in the state.
    .
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/26/bio-judge-sonia-sotomayor/

  • rustyreturns

    spob it is the “progressive” actions in place for this nomination. It is not a liberal or conservative ideal that is afloat with Sotomyer. Just another progressvie. They try to say that George H.W. Bush appointed her originally, but he along with his son, Georgie Jr, are just part of the progressvie movement.
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    The other meme of the progressives are their tired and worn out accusations of calling everyone a racist when their position and opinions make as much sense as the Islamic Terrorists across the world. They are not in favor of a free and just country. They want people to be controlled by their big government laws. Sotomyer is just more of the same, not “change we can believe in”.
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    Soon the “racist” tag will leave and be replaced by a “you are anti-Government” meme. Damn skippy I am anti-Government. The smaller the better. And when it comes to Supreme Court Justices, stick to the law and the intrepretation as it was written. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist, nor a lawyer to figure that out.
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    If America truly wants change, then its time to boot all of the wasteful spenders, progressives and their lot out of Washington and start all over again.

  • spob

    sgwhite, do you just want to get clowned again? First of all, moron, the two “white people” aren’t being nominated for the Supreme Court. Second of all, that someone had company (i.e., the other judges on the panel) doesn’t absolve that person of responsibility. Third of all, perhaps, sg, you ought to think about the ramifications of judges acting in such a manner to litigants. I doubt you care about what happens to white firefighters (given your cheerleading of the Jena thugs’ assault on Justin Barker), but things have a way of evening out.
    .
    But people may want to think about Obama’s celebrated speech on race. Remember he talked about white people who didn’t do anything to anyone, but were being asked to pay a price. Well, what about these firefighters? Sotomayor thought NOTHING of giving these litigants the shaft (so much for the empathy). And by nominating her, Obama signals the very same thing. Just goes to show how little anything Obama says can be taken at face value.

  • spob

    rusty, Bush appointed her as part of a deal with NY Senators. Fully expect the MSM to ignore that.

  • greenlyfe

    Also: Sotomayor is a prime example of why 2010 is so important. We need, as democrats, to expand the judicial bench. President Clinton put Judge Sotomayor on the appellate court and paved the way for this nomination. Conservatives have asisdously primed the pump and created a generation of jurists to make it easier to nominate to the bench. President Obama’s judicial picks, and the inevitable problems he’ll have in the senate point the way to why we need a strong democratic 60. So we don’t have to count on Ben Nelson who seems to be looking to kick sand in the administration’s face every day.

  • gysgt213

    “They try to say that George H.W. Bush appointed her originally, but he along with his son, Georgie Jr, are just part of the progressvie movement.”
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    No one is trying to say this Rusty. It is a documented fact. Please show us your evidence that any Bush is a part of some progessive movement.

  • gysgt213

    Spob-If you are going to take all you opinions from Michell Malkin and Hot Air at least give her blog credit.
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    http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/26/scotus-pick-sonia-sotomayor/

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  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Rusty, spob, what part of you lost the election don’t you understand? A Democratic president, Democratic majorities in the House and Senate means the American people have decided that they want to be governed by a party that believes in government, a party that holds more progressive views than the GOP, and by the magnitude of the losses in the house, they’ve made it clear that they reject your party, your philosophy and your issues completely.

  • jsfox

    To spob and others pointing to the Ricci case. Please go read the actual case and findings and not how some have chosen to interpret it. The case has far less to do with race and quota filling that some would have you believe. In truth the case was more bout the test as a effective measure of leadership qualities. There was also some concern that the test as written had little to do with New Haven as some of the questions pertained to NYC fire fighting practices and methods which had no bearing on New Haven.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-westfaulcon24-2009apr24,0,5548886.story

    But New Haven did not scrap its promotion list simply because whites had higher scores on the test than minorities. The city understood that Title VII does not automatically prohibit employers from using tests on which whites do better than minorities. In fact, the law acknowledges that tests are useful for evaluating and comparing job applicants. But, under Title VII, it would be illegal for a city to promote firefighters based largely on a test that is not a good measure of a junior firefighter’s worthiness to be promoted.

    New Haven’s attorney correctly interpreted Title VII to mean that the city’s firefighter test should measure “who is going to be a good supervisor ultimately, not who is going to be a good test-taker.” In other cases, judges have concluded, based on expert testimony, that written, multiple-choice tests for firefighter promotion like the one in this case contain the “fatal flaw” of failing to test for “supervisory ability.” The company that made the New Haven Fire Department exam acknowledges that its test does not include any questions that measure a test-taker’s ability to supervise or lead other firefighters in the line of duty.

    So while you may moan the outcome, keep in mind New Haven tossed the results not so much because of who scored well and who didn’t, but rather that the test was flawed in judging who would be effective leaders. The results merely pointed out the flaw in the exam. And keep in mind there were no winners and looser amongst the firefighters. The city nor courts did not toss the results of the exam and promote minority firefighters over non-minority fire fighters. They only thing that has happened is that they have been told to test for what they are looking for – leaders. In the end the results may still be the same or they may not, but at least the correct test will have been given.

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  • http://privcorr.blogspot.com/ wvng

    Ygleisasi, sheesh. That should obviously have been Yglesias.
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    /hand slap forehead

  • 53_3

    “Soon the “racist” tag will leave and be replaced by a “you are anti-Government” meme.”
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    rusty:
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    I guess this means that I’m not being “grateful*” enough, am I?
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    snicker*2
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    *1 At the appropriate time, I will be asking you to clarify this, but, again, out of respect to the other posters, I won’t be getting into this comment you made to me a while ago right now. Suffice it to say that I am entirely comfortable in calling you a racist.
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    *2 Yes, you guessed it, definitely snark!

  • gysgt213

    Facts have a liberal bias. More fun to make sh*t up, have our media link to it, pass it along and discuss the made up bullsh*t endlessly on the tevee. Already Michael has done his job. Instead of giving us a post on who the nonimee is, her background and his thoughts on if she is a qualified pick or not, he immediately calls his contact for attack lines, breaks open a bag of chips and starts salivating about the game playing aspects of the pick. If we get a solid pick out of it is secondary to most of the media.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Honestly, I don’t even want to press the facts of Sotomayor’s qualifications. Its much more fun to just sit back and watch Republicans with their wingnut base destroy themselves over this pick. Hell the trolls here are never going to agree with facts and logic anyway so they might as well get to continue smearing her for all the world to see. Call her names, say she is dumb, say she is an activist. Lets see where that gets you in the midterms. LOL

  • 53_3

    I think the entertainment possibilities of the GOP are endless, and Rachel Maddow will have another couple days of some really spectacular snark to serve up, I’m sure.
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    How can I not have the chip & dip ready for this one?
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    Would it be too much of a stretch to think that maybe, the Fat F*cker and the GOP have switched roles, with the Fat F*cker now the kingmaker, and the GOP providing daily entertainment?

  • pearlybaker

    RustyR,
    Thanks for the video clip. She seems like an intelligent, thoughtful, and experienced jurist. I highly support her nomination and look forward to hearing her questioning and thoughts in future Supreme Court cases.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    You know its bad when even Megyn Kelly is pushing back against the attacks on Sotomayor.
    .

  • gysgt213

    Whoops. The Republican National Committee (RNC) has apparently inadvertently released its list of talking points on the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.
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    Included on the released list were a few hundred influential Republicans who were the intended recipients of the talking points. Unfortunately for the RNC, so were members of the media.
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    http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/05/26/rnc-fumbles-sotomayor-talking-points/

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    If you want to know how the issue will be framed by Republicans going forward here are the talking points.
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    http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/05/26/rnc-fumbles-sotomayor-talking-points/

  • http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/05/26/the-quot-harriet-miers-quot-meme.aspx The "Harriet Miers" Meme – The Plank

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  • pearlybaker

    and also ,
    “The liberal hounds at Media Matters are already on the case with the counter-spin.)”

    Scherer is such a tool. There was an election that McCain lost. Get over it.

  • 53_3

    I like this one:
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    “Republicans are the minority party, but our belief that judges should interpret rather than make law is shared by a majority of Americans.”
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    What poll fairy told them this?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Dang you gunny! lol

  • 53_3

    A rather disgusting, but accurate, depiction of the GOP!
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30887311/displaymode/1247/
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    If it doesn’t work, it’s cartoon #17

  • 53_3

    woops, I meant cartoon #20. The Micheal Vick one (#17) is funny, however…

  • spob

    Guys, the issue with Sotomayor and the firefighters is NOT the judgment she affirmed, but rather the curious burial of the decision by the per curiam affirmance.
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    And of course New Haven’s decision was race-based. They didn’t like the numbers. How that squares with the plain language of the Equal Protection Clause is beyond me, but hey that’s how you guys roll.

  • sqr1

    I’d also like to comment on two tremendous ironies of the GOP relying on the Ricci case to attack Sotomayor.
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    First, the Ricci case was properly decided given the existing state of the law. All the wingnuts that argue that Sotomayor, the rest of the Second Circuit, and the District Court all got this wrong are a bunch of outcome-determinative hypocrites that are begging for “judicial activism” at its finest: They believe white firefighters got screwed and they want the courts to fix it, regardless of the actual law.
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    Second, for years conservatives have attacked discrimination cases like Ricci. They hate when plaintiffs ask Courts (and juries) to “infer” racial discrimination rather than looking to overt acts and statements of racial discrimination. Conservative judges have increasingly tossed discrimination cases out of federal courts at the summary judgment stage — just like Ricci was.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    sqr1
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    Conservatives believe that racial discrimination suits are bad unless they are brought by white christian males. It is what it is.

  • spob

    sqrl, even Jose Cabranes, no liberal he, thinks that the rationale behind the decision (at the Dist. Ct. level) was ground-breaking, so to say that the case was “properly decided” is a bit of a reach. But the problem is not the result here, it’s the panel’s “burying” of the decision. That action rests uncomfortably with the idea that litigants are supposed to get a fair shake from the courts.
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    As for race-discrimination, I think it plain that New Haven’s decision was “race-based” in the sense that they didn’t like the results and therefore tossed the test.

  • jymallyn

    sgwhiteinfla,

    Conservatives believe that anything done by a non-conservative is bad, regardless of how much everyone benefits, and believe that fellow conservatives can do no wrong despite the reality. Conservatives believe that immorality is bad, but not if it is done by a fellow conservative. That’s why Dick Morris, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, Bristol Palin, and Pat Buchannan are such pillars of Conservative Morality.

    60% of the American voters have seen the pattern, and the 29% of the electorate who still “trust” Dick Cheney (I can’t use the word without including the quote marks) is lower than the percentage of Americans in 1776 who wanted to remain under the “leadership” of the King of England.

    The simple explanation is that as it has lost touch with realty, Conservatism has become a combination of hypocrisy and stupidity.

  • stuartzechman

    Commenters:
    .
    I know that this thread is supposed to be all about insider-y “strategizing” a la Politico, in which a discussion of the value of the nominee is thoroughly subordinated to sides lining up in a public dispute, but the questions that thoughtful liberals might be asking themselves could be:

    Beyond obvious demographic representation considerations, why is Sotomayor who we’d like to have on the Supreme Court?
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    What specifically about her case law suggests she will be the type of jurist that might be more likely to interpret the constitution in a manner consistent with the primacy of its guarantees of individual rights and liberties?
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    Other than that movement conservatives are reflexively against an Obama appointee, other than qualifications possessed in similar measure by conservatives’ favored nominees, other than the demographic makeup of the court, how has Sotomayor adjudicated that will likely ensure that progress and liberty has a voice in this bench against the demands of all institutional prerogatives?

    Is that she’s Obama’s nominee good enough? Is that the rightists are predictably frothing good enough? Or can this nomination be judged on its merits?
    .
    …and if we don’t have enough information about this person’s record to judge this nomination on its merits, then why aren’t we demanding that information, instead of being baited by posts like these into obscuring the real importance of this nomination?
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    F*ck bullet-pointed conservative strategy…what is Sonia Sotomayor’s complete record on the bench…or is that too hard of a question for us to ask, or for political journalists to answer?

  • vwcat

    Unfortunately, alot of good and qualified people will never serve in the government due to the partisan games and demonizing.
    The right justifies this because the democrats were fearful of letting someone who was a very rightwing judge, Bork, not get voted through the senate over 20 years ago.
    Most of the poison and partisan demonizing comes from very old fights where each side feels they must get ‘revenge’. The whole partisan game is old fights carried on for decades and become the main goals over governing or the good of the country.
    Most of this began back in the 60s with Vietnam and then the downfall of Nixon.
    Many republicans have said that the impeaching of Clinton was payback for Nixon. Imagine that.
    It’s simply depressing and disheartening.
    The press plays along and eggs it on rather then ignoring them and criticizing them for this damaging game.

  • spob

    well, sz, I’d be interested in your opinion on how the panel (of which Sotomayor was one) buried the firefighters’ case when it issued its decision
    .
    http://ct.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.%5CC02%5C2008%5C20080612_0001355.C02.htm/qx
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    Cabranes’ opinion seems pretty damning, and he’s no conservative.
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    Additionally, it would be interesting to see how libs square Obama’s race speech (“Most working- and middle-class white Americans don’t feel that they have been particularly privileged by their race.”) with the idea that New Haven did the right thing here (i.e., discarded the test because the racial optics weren’t right).

  • spob

    vwcat, yep, your side started it with Bork. And continued it against Alito and Roberts.

  • sqr1

    sqrl, even Jose Cabranes, no liberal he, thinks that the rationale behind the decision (at the Dist. Ct. level) was ground-breaking, so to say that the case was “properly decided” is a bit of a reach.
    .

    Sorry, spob. You don’t know what the hell you are talking about. Calebresi addressed Cabranes’ points:

    The district court and the panel readily rejected the notion that the city’s stated reason was just a pretext. But neither court went on to consider whether the city was influenced by mixed motives. And that is why Judge Cabranes, in his dissent from the denial of en banc review, suggests that, since the plaintiffs alleged that their race motivated the defendants’ decision, the district court should have undertaken such a mixed motive analysis. He contends, that is, that the courts should have examined the situation as one in which a legitimate motive may have combined with an improper motive to bring about the challenged action. See Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins, 490 U.S. 228, 109 S. Ct. 1775, 104 L. Ed. 2d 268 (1989). He would be precisely right … except for the fact that that type of analysis is not available to us in this case. It is not available for the most traditional of legal reasons. The parties did not present a mixed motive argument to the district court or to the panel.
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    It is the unavailability of mixed motive analysis that makes this case an especially undesirable one for elective review. The interesting issue the case might present – concerning the obligations of a municipality seeking only to comply with the relevant federal anti-discrimination law – is, in the circumstances before us, clouded by the allegations that something more is going on. Given the plaintiffs’ failure to argue mixed-motive analysis, those allegations cannot be adequately evaluated. But they nevertheless cannot help but affect how we look at the city’s actions. And they may even influence, inappropriately, how we are inclined to rule on the underlying, “interesting” issue.
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    Difficult issues should be decided only when they must be decided, or when they are truly well presented. When they need not be decided – and rehearing en banc is always a matter of choice, not necessity – it is wise to wait until they come up in a manner that helps, rather than hinders, clarity of thought. That is not so in this case.

    .
    In short, the plaintiffs in this case did not raise a critical legal argument. The argument was not preserved for appeal. A first-year law student could explain this to you. The legal analysis of the claim that the plaintiffs did make was relatively straight forward.
    .
    But the problem is not the result here, it’s the panel’s “burying” of the decision.
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    Spob, you are such a buffoon that it is hard to know where to begin. How exactly was the decision “buried” by Sotomayor? The Supreme Court has granted cert and will hear the case.
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    The fact that Circuit Court judges disagree on certain discretionary matters (e.g. whether to grant en banc review or whether to issue a per curiam decision) is not damning. It is routine. Judges disagree on matters. Only a rank fool would hold up Judge Cabranes’ dissent as evidence that Sotomayor is unqualified.

  • spob

    ah sqr1, where to begin–first of all, genius, you don’t seem to recognize the inherent schizophrenia in your post. If the case didn’t merit attention because “the plaintiffs in this case did not raise a critical legal argument”, then why did the Supreme Court grant cert.?
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    Second of all, at the risk of appearing to be a “rank fool”, that the Supreme Court has a shovel, doesn’t mean that the case was not buried. We had a case that was clearly a big deal, clearly controversial (from a legal and political standpoint) and it was summarily affirmed by non-pubbed per curiam order? Come on. The panel knew what it was doing–it was making the case less-certworthy.
    .
    The firefighters got the shaft here. And I am not talking about the merits. They got a panel that tried to bury their claims. That’s not how it’s supposed to work. But I guess empathy is in the eye of the beholder.

  • 53_3

    Chiming in here with stupidity squared.
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    More entertainment for the masses! What else would one expect from a GOPer on the racial front? Common sense? These guys have never gotten past the “I have a Black freind” phase, appearently.
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    Hell no:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/26/huckabee-steele-immune-from-the-racism-charge/

  • yutsano

    The panel knew what it was doing–it was making the case less-certworthy.
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    Dare I wade in? Ahh why not?
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    Spob, who decides if a case is cert-worthy or not? I’ll give you a hint: they wear black robes and there are nine of them in Washington. Grants of writ of certirorari are routinely denied for all kinds of reasons or no reason at all AT THE DISCRETION OF THE SUPREME COURT. There is nothing that a lower judge could have done one way or the other if those nine justices decided that the issue was not worth their decision.
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    Also, why is all of this exclusively Sotomayor’s fault? Was she the presiding judge over the icci case? (I haven’t seen any evidence that she was or was not so this is more or less a genuine question.) Even if she was, deciding the procedure after the case was settled is hardly grounds for opposing her on the bulk of her work. Just admit it Spob: a brown girl on the court bothers you.

  • 53_3

    Chiming in with stupidity cubed.
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    If this gets any worse, they will positively annihalate themselves on the pillories of two issues:
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    Race and reason!
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    Oh well. Like I told spob before. Hells bells! Full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes! Onwards and upwards!
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    Ooooof! Damn, that hurts:
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/26/limbaugh-slams-sotomayor-reverse-racist/

  • kevin

    vwcat, yep, your side started it with Bork.
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    Look, if you want to get into a third-grade argument of “who started it,” the real battles began when Lyndon Johnson nominated Abe Fortas to be the replacement as Chief Justice when Earl Warren stepped down, and the Republicans staged the first ever filibuster of a court nominee and even got Fortas to resign.
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    I know, I know — facts have a troubling liberal bias.

  • spob

    Fortas is not a good example, SFB. And yutsano, read Second Circuit rule 32.1 re: decision not to pub. And the vast majority of Supreme Court cert. grants are from pubbed cases. This was a clumsy attempt to bury the case.

  • stichmo

    I had to do some driving yesterday and was amused by these first two arguments–that judges don’t make law and the Connecticut firefighter decision was wrong.

    In the Connecticut case, the appelate court let stand a decision made by local elected officials. The complaint from the right in this case appears to be that the appelate court showed too much judicial restaint and not enough judicial activism. Amusing.

    Regarding whether appellate judges make law–any first year law student knows that “case law” or legal precedents come from the written decisions of the appellate and Supreme Court. The conservative commentators are showing their ignorance if they think that Justices Roberts and Alito didn’t “make law” when they issued such opinions, just as Justice Sotomayor and every other appellate court justice “make law.”

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