The Moral Minority

Does Liberty University accept any federal aid?

Happy to hear there’s someone who gives a monkey’s about anything you say, AS, ’cause it ain’t me. If I ever develop a compelling interest in those whose belief systems are Beyond the Fringe I’ll look you up.

Amy,
Thank you for the piece. While I would not describe myself as an “evangelical”, I am a committed Christian and definately a liberal. (Though my wife has accused me of being a closet Republican. I am socially liberal and economically conservative, my wife is socially conservative, economically liberal). It is time for the Democratic party to reach out to people of faith. I think it is so ironic that Liberty has kicked off the College Democrats. Where are the cries of “Political Correctness!!” from the right wing?

Oddly enough, to be a Christian and active in Republican politics requires a severe problem with reading comprehension. Every word in the Gospel centers around tending to your own garden, forgiving others, responding to hatred with kindness and forgoing possessions.
.
Where did it all go so wrong?

Funny, AS, conservatives have been getting the short end of the stick in academia forever, and only now does this issue make Swampland or Time Magazine. Surprise surprise.
.
I wonder if the President, who told us he wants to lead a national conversation about race, will say anything about this: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98AUEK01&show_article=1”
.
Funny, black thugs from Louisiana will get his attention, innocent black people, victimized by gang-bangers, not so much.

It is time for the Democratic party to reach out to people of faith.
.
Why?

spob – Here’s a new project for you: find me a university in America that has a policy in place banning the College Republicans from campus. Your “conservatives get the short end of the stick” is a little different from “officially banned by the school.”
.
Besides, conservatives don’t like college anyways . . . eduma-cation is unpatriotic.

FT: Because of the first word in the phrase “people of faith.” They are people to and don’t be so narrow minded to think that having faith makes you a bigot/unworthy of inclusion in the Democratic party.

Don’t you love it when people link to news articles about things accompanied by the claim that those things aren’t getting any attention?

I grew up in Lynchburg and still live here. I can’t say I’m surprised at all by this. Jerry Falwell was a shameful hatemonger in life, and his son obviously wants to pick up where his father left off. They’ve contributed nothing productive to Lynchburg, or the rest of the world, and I could never wrap my mind around how he managed to make himself and his school relevant in the first place.

Entropy. It’s a law of physics.
You can create order (i.e., rigid social conservatism) in a limited space (i.e., an unliberal university) for a limited time (i.e., ’til the Republican party implodes), but doing so ultimately results in greater disorder (i.e., freedom of thought and speech) in the universe as a whole (i.e., the reality-based community).

From spob’s link:
.
HAWAIIAN GARDENS, Calif. (AP) – A Latino street gang waged a racist campaign to eliminate the city’s black residents through attempted murders and other crimes, according to federal racketeering indictments unsealed Thursday.
.
So that’s relevant, I guess.

deathby -
.
I’m a life-long Democrat. I belong to the Lutheran Church. These two facts ought not to have anything to do with one another, IMO.
.
The Rethugs and the Falwell/Dobson crowd have so perverted the notion of Christianity in America and the world at large that I personally would like to see no linkage of any kind between any church body and any political party.

On being an evangelical and a liberal–I’ve never understood how Republicans became the party of God in this country. Where exactly in Scripture does Jesus advocate almost drowning a man 83 or 183 times, even if he is your enemy? Where in the Gospels does he preach about neglecting the plight of the poor? What exorbitant fee does He charge when he heals the sick and raises Lazarus from the dead? What insurance plan does He accept? Where is His closet full of swords and spears that he will in no way part from? I know these are obvious points but I am just amazed that people don’t have enough common sense to see that if any political party is Christian like, it’s the Democrats.

spob.
.
You have posted this story before.
.
The the case of Jena the concern was that African-Americans and Caucasians were being treated differently by the local judicial system. It was different levels of charges that led to the demonstrations.
.
In the heavily Latino community of Hawaiian Gardens, the local authorities, including the Latino mayor, appear to have things in order.
.———–
A Latino street gang waged a racist campaign to eliminate the city’s black residents through attempted murders and other crimes, according to federal racketeering indictments unsealed Thursday.

Five indictments charged a total of 147 members and associates of the Varrio Hawaiian Gardens gang, and federal and local agencies arrested 63 of them by early Thursday, U.S. Attorney Thomas P. O’Brien said at a news conference.

Another 35 defendants were already in custody on unrelated charges. Weapons and drugs worth more than $1 million also were seized in what O’Brien called “the largest gang takedown in United States history.”

The indictments detail attempted murder, kidnapping, firearms, narcotics and other charges related to attacks by the gang, which is predominantly Latino and mainly operates in Hawaiian Gardens, a city of about 15,000 in southeastern Los Angeles County.

“(Varrio Hawaiian Gardens) gang members take pride in their racism and often refer to the VHG Gang as the `Hate Gang,’” the main indictment said. “VHG gang members have expressed a desire to rid the city of Hawaiian Gardens of all African-Americans and have engaged in a systematic effort to achieve that result by perpetrating crimes against African-Americans.”

Shots fired into home
The indictment alleges a string of attacks on black residents, including a shooting into a home with eight people inside. The indictment does not say if anyone was hit.

In another instance, two gang members allegedly chased a black man, yelled a racist epithet at him and then beat him with a garden rake. The same man was later repeatedly stabbed by two gang members, according to the indictment, which charged them with his attempted murder.

According to 2000 census data, the latest available, Hawaiian Gardens was roughly 73 percent Hispanic and 4 percent black.

Hawaiian Gardens Mayor Michael Gomez welcomed the crackdown, saying: “Honest residents should not have to live in fear of lawless thugs who act like it’s high noon at the OK Corral.”

The indictments mark at least the second time in less than two years that federal authorities have accused Latino gang members of attacking black residents because of their race. Local officials have tried to downplay racial tensions.
.
http://globalgrind.com/content/661087/Blacks-Vs-Latinos-Stop-the-Sht/
.

To both Flown Over and Friar Tuck I would reply that it is precisely the recognition that “people of faith” (or, if you will ,folks whose beliefs are “beyond the fringe”) can co-exist comfortably in the Democratic coalition that helped lead to the Democratic landslide last year and will help greatly to lock a deep structual advantage in the years to come. So chill out and root for the Amy Sullivans of the world who are trying to interpret the Bible in a more open minded way. Unfortunately, the Bible is a damn big book, written (or translated) by a lot of differeent people, most of whom were fairly conservative themselves, so there is a lot there that contradicts itelf. But sneering at the religeous drives people away from the left just as surely Rush Limbaugh’s James Dobson’s bizarre religiousity drives people away from the right.

FT:
That may be true for most of late 80′s, 90′s and early 2000′s Christianity, but I’ve gone to some churches (I guess you could call them evangelical… but not in the Dobson/Fallwell sense, more in the traditional sense of “we have the best answer of life and we’d like to share it with you, but not demonize you if you don’t take it), and for many of the people in those churches being a person of faith is the most important part of their identity. Why not demonstrate the ways that Democratic values are in line with their values? That is surely reaching out, but it doesn’t necessarily mean compromising your values. I think engaging in a dialogue is important for both sides. It just really peeves me when I see Democrats/progressives (gawd I hate that word), dismissing any reaching out to people of faith out of hand.

Wow. When you need campus political correctness codes to enforce conservatism, even among kids who have been told all their lives that “religion = morality = Jesus = America = tax cuts = war in the Middle East = eagles = torture,” you’re really a dying movement.

I’ve got this Scott Horton piece filed away in my “Bush Years Greatest Hits” bookmarks:

The process of building party cadres and selecting the elite of the inner party was a fundamental challenge for the totalitarian or wannabe totalitarian state…
.
It has been a point of cocktail party humor in liberal circles for some years to speak of the one-party state the Bush-Cheney Administration has been fashioning in Washington and to build in an allusion to foreign models. As with much humor, it is successful because there is a grain of truth to it. But one of the surprises of the U.S. attorney scandal is to see just how extensive this truth is. The Rovian structures of the last six years cannot really be compared with the powerful examples of totalitarianism that existed in the closing days of World War II. On the other hand, they probably represent the closest approximation to those structures to appear in two hundred and thirty years of American political culture…
.
A premium is given for being educated at private, religious institutions, particularly those associated with the Religious Right—such as Regent University or Liberty University… Having a degree from an elite academic institution is not necessarily a show-stopper, but in such cases there will be far tighter scrutiny to show ideological fidelity.

FT,
.
Agree with you 100%. I’ve always thought that, somewhere, God is holding his nose as we attempt to drag him into our politics, muttering, “Keep me out of that!”
.
rosseau,
.
I have had similar discussions in my Sunday school class with the “dyed in the wool” Republicans that are there. The gist of what I say is that, if they are as against these “sins” as they say they are, then they will have to be outraged when the offender is not a Dem but one from their own party. I don’t yell at them, but a few have stopped coming simply because I don’t accept their arguments on their face. I also point out that Jesus was rather socialist in some of his actions and took a whip to the moneychangers (bankers?).
.
All in all, it can get rather “interesting” at times. Fortunately, the teacher is rather open to the discussions and friendly. We talk a lot after the “hard-core” have left the room and I get a lot of private nodding in agreement.
.
I just simply don’t see why we can’t have a country with NO official governmental attachment to a religion. Worked OK for 250 yrs+ or so. What’s the problem now?
.
Did we finally have a national character test (like the rest of the world has been through numerous times in various wars and, instead of stepping up, are we just pissing our pants in response?

deathby –
.
Being a person of faith is certainly the most important part of my identity, but I don’t expect it to be the most important part of everybody’s identity. I don’t want a political party to reach out to me as a “person of faith,” I want it to reach out at me as a “person who wants sane government.”
.
pelham –
.
I’m chilled out. Am I right in assuming that you haven’t read Amy’s book? There’s precious little open-minded interpretation of the Bible in it, IMO.

I heard they replaced it with a waterboarding for Jesus club.

FT: I don’t think reaching out only to people who want “sane government” is a very viable strategy for mass electoral success, as sad as that is. In addition, the “sane government” for many people will be a government that, in some small way, resonates with their faith.

One of the greatest political cons was the GOP bringing the evangelicals into the GOP party as a voting block. Convincing the evangelicals that only the GOP was the party of true Christians. One of the greatest ironies has been watching the evangelicals slowly take the GOP party over and tearing it apart. I have no sympathy for either group. They have both used each other for decades.

JNS, you are a hack nonpareil.
.
Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Mancow-Takes-on-Waterboarding-and-Loses.html

Guys, the issue with Jena and Hawaiian Gardens is obvious. Suppposed white racism gets a ton of press, far worse example of Latino racism, crickets.

I have no sympathy for either group. They have both used each other for decades.
.
queencersi,
.
It’s not the stands they take – it’s the hypocrisy on display. The church leadership have to accept that, for many young people, a bunch of old people who look down on others for doing some of the same things their friends are getting away with is just a big turn-off. After a while, their actions (or, more accurately, their inactions) speak louder than their spoken and written positions ever could.
.
They’re not great at looking in the mirror and making corrections..

JNS, you are a hack nonpareil.
.
cincy!!!! You’re back! You were missed.

Suppposed white racism gets a ton of press, far worse example of Latino racism, crickets.
.
spob,
.
Racism of any stripe sucks. Lawbreaking by ANY politician sucks. Lying sucks. It’s NOT a partisan issue here. Why don’t you get that?

Agreed Afguy.

Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture
.
Paging Sean Hannity. Paging Sean Hannity. Mr. Hannity, your table is waiting . . . reservation for one at Chez LetmeOutahere.

cincinnatus, great link. If a Chicago radio host who thinks waterboarding wasn’t torture can man up to prove his point then why can’t Cheney? Of does our esteemed former V.P. have “something better to do”?

Of does our esteemed former V.P. have “something better to do”?
.
queencersi,
.
Medically (and morally), our esteemed former VP has heart issues that would probably exempt him from the treatment. It would probably kill him (in more ways than one).
.
Mr Hannity, on the other hand . . .

Afguy –

I agree, morally, with the Cheney exemption, but it occurs to me that Cheney has spent much of his life advocating things he *personally* wouldn’t do. Vietnam, waterboarding . . . conservatives love violence and pain, as long as it’s happening to someone else. But heaven forbid they have to live in the world with the rest of us . . .

Just bored afguy….3 day weekend. Banging my head against the wall isn’t my thing anymore.

as long as it’s happening to someone else. But heaven forbid they have to live in the world with the rest of us . . .
.
No argument, vastwastelander. My “moral” point was that he seems to have no heart. And your point about him, Rumsfeld, and many of the conservative commentariat is well-taken. I might not agree with Cheney’s viewpoint but would respect it more if he were personally willing to put his “fat” on the line to support it.
.
Cincy,
.
Sorry about that but I DO understand. There are days here that I can’t work up the motivation to do much more than a sarcastic comment on anything. Other times, a thread will move me to put out a coherent paragraph or two.
.
I try to apply logic to our present situation nationally, looking for someone who appears to have a program (or even some idealism) to get us out of what is happening and just seem to come to the conclusion that we are screwed to the point that things are going to have to implode and we MAY have to start over (after we throw out those at the top).
.
What I said about your being missed was genuine. I tried a “Screw you, Shearer” over one of his more hackish efforts but it didn’t have the same pizazz. Friar Tuck stepped in and did the honors.
.
Welcome back, though, for however long you decide to contribute.

afguy, spob feels oppressed. An African-American President gave the green light to sanction Somali pirates who were holding the Caucasian captain of a multi-racial crew of United states citizens.
.
The FBI captured 4 suspected terrorists in NYC who happened to be African-American. The FBI agents were multi-racial.
.
When Reginald Denny was attacked after the Rodney King verdict, the medical team that saved his life consisted of medical professionals of Caucasian, Asian, Persian, and African descent.
.
Where I see people of multiple skin hues and ethnic groups working to correct the wrongs of evil or misguided people, spob will only see the dark skin of those who broke the law. Despite being fed a steady diet of dark-skinned people on the wrong side of the law, spob feels that White guys bear the burden of being considered evil.

Cincy, I love that you reposted “JNS, you are a hack nonpareil” here on Amy’s thread. As if there’s a difference. They’re seemingly doppelgangers. As Joplin once said, “it’s all the same f@cking day man”

pelhamite:

You misconstrue my intent. I have no quarrel with “people of faith,” save either the possibility that the designation presumes a complete absence of faith in others or a claim that people are best categorized based on their respective faiths. Short of that, I’m happy to discuss real issues with any of them and I recognize many are kindred souls – in the secular sense.
.
My objection is to the implied newsworthiness of the dingbats who would ban College Democrats, picket soldiers’ funerals, or generally presume to judge the humanity of others based on perceived compliance with a particular dogma. I understand, with the demise of the Weekly World News, that there’s a vacuum in coverage of stories like “BatBoy Eats Own Head” or “Space Aliens Enslaved to Weed White House Garden,” but I have no time (or Time) for such nonsense. The extremists of the Loony Tunes Holy Squad in all its permutations are irrelevant, as are stories about their recurring aberrant behavior.

@afguy/vast/queens etc. If you’re looking for some interesting summer reading check out “Imperial Brotherhood” by Robert Dean. It’s a fascinating take on gender history (which normally means women), and examines the way elite conceptions of masculinity shaped foreign policy. I think it has a lot to do with your point of conservatives advocating violence/things they don’t want to do. Of course, it mainly covers the JFK/LBJ foreign policy establishment, but the argument still holds a bit.

@FlownOver, but if we’ve learned anything from the last 8 years is that as much as we WANT them to be irrelevant, they aren’t. That makes them newsworthy. Even if you think that the publicizing of their views gives them more power than they have (which is probably correct), they still hold some significant social/political clout in their own right.

you have to love torture, hate america, be a bigot if you wabt to be a good republican… hate is good i am a republican

Somewhere along this thread, I lost how it wandered into racial issues.
.
Meanwhile, back at the blog post, I kept thinking of AS’s line of surprise that there would be a Democrat Club at the school. I was wondering why the members would want to attend such a school, thinking of my niece who could have attended any school in the country and chose a female Catholic university. Back to sg way at the beginning of the thread, sg knows full well that the place receives federal aid in tax exemption if nothing else.
.
Not wanting to get into the religious aspects of this thread, and having not read close enough to understand the racial posts, I decline to comment further.

[...] Original post: The Moral Minority: Democrats in Falwell Land (Time Magazine) [...]

formerly: “I was wondering why the members would want to attend such a school”
~
That was my first thought too, but perhaps it’s like gay camp for these evangelical nutters. Their folks send them there as if it’s a military school, but once out of reach of their parents, maybe they’re allowed to read something other than the bible or Falwell’s memoirs, maybe something other than Fox News comes on the telly, maybe they spend a weekend in dirty-hippy Charlottesville right up hwy. 29, or maybe on their own they start to have grave doubts about the disgusting ideological indoctrination they’ve been beat down with all their lives. I’d donate to a scholarship fund to relocate them to a real university.

Liberty Unversity has very little to do with either Christianity or the Bible. It’s more of a re-education camp that Falwell envisioned as a launch site for the politicalization of Scripture. Shutting down the democrat’s club isn’t surprising, letting it start in the first place was.

LYNCHburg… ’nuff said.

My point, guys, is that if we’re going to have a national conversation on race, something that the Sainted One has called for, or if we’re going to stop being a nation of cowards on race, then Latino on black racial violence needs to be part of the conversation. As for the argument that these criminals are being prosecuted, well, Matthew Shepard’s assailants were prosecuted too, but that didn’t stop the wall-to-wall coverage.
.
A few years ago, Jonathan Pomfret wrote an article in WaPo about black kids being threatened with violence if they showed up for school on Cinco de Mayo–the story died there. Let’s say, down South, black students were threatened with violence if they showed up to school on Robert E. Lee’s birthday? Imagine the outrage.
.
As for speech on campus, conservative speech is threatened or bullied all the time in state schools. Amy Sullivan never cared a whit about that–but when a religious school bans a Dem club (and keep in mind that to most religions, abortion is about as bad as it gets, and since Dems support abortion rights and even public funding of abortions–see the platform in 2004–one can easily see how it would be banned).

Here is a conservative complaint: http://phibetacons.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YzExMzYyZjEzMjZlMGE2OGNkMWZkOTc4NTExYmQxNWQ=

http://www.redstate.com/warner_todd_huston/2009/05/23/christian-university-decertifies-democrat-club-why-it-is-the-right-decision/
.
RedState’s take, for those who care.

Perhaps the “religion” reporter could comment on this:
.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05222009/news/regionalnews/path_to_radical_islam_began_in_jails_170478.htm
.
won’t happen

spob wrote…………My point, guys, is that if we’re going to have a national conversation on race, something that the Sainted One has called for, or if we’re going to stop being a nation of cowards on race, then Latino on Black racial violence needs to be part of the conversation.
.
I now understand why you hijacked this post. You want to have a national discussion on race. I have no problem discussing issues of race but, to be blunt, I have no desire to have a discussion on race with you. The discussion would be a waste of my time.
.
My interpretation of your behavior is that you care very little for African-American or Latino youth, but would love to sit back and watch as the two ethnic groups went after each other. You want some form of payback for the burden that Caucasians face on issues of race.
.
Expect to be disappointed. I think very few people would consider interacting with you on a serious level on issues of race. You are a bigot.
.
You have a free speech right to talk about Black thugs, The Sainted One, or Barack the Magic Negro. I have a free speech right to categorize you as a person with a problem.
.
Now, back to the issue of why Liberty University officials demand their students be loyal to the Republican Party. Considerable bias was introduced in the DOJ when Regent University Law gradates were employed by the agency. Should we have similar concerns about Liberty University students in government?

rmrd, funny how you can infer all of that from a simple legitimate question . . . .
.
I’ll frame it very very simply: Why did Mychal Bell get more press and political attention than Cheryl Green?

spob
.
I’ll frame it very simply. It’s futile to have a discussion on race with a bigot. A quick Google search of Cheryl Green’s murder generated 160,000 hits. That number honed down to about 140,000 when people with similar names were excluded.
.
A Google search of Mychal Bell of the Jena 6 generated 140,00 hits. If you look at the history of coverage of the Jena 6, MSM didn’t report on the controversy in detail until near the time the demonstrations were about to occur (see also the “surprise” that the MSM had when buses were headed to DC for the Million Man March.
.
You will not find many stories of missing Latino or African-American women or children. The discussions about the Jena 6 and Cheryl Green were conducted mostly on the internet (and Black radio stations) and not by MSM. The MSM is the wrong measuring stick to assess the level of discussion.
.
Just as many Progressives don’t expect the MSM to ask the hard questions about torture supported by Cheney and Bush, many ethnic minorities don’t expect detailed coverage of the deaths of ethnic minorities by MSM.
.
Secondly, and more importantly, One has to take statements by Conservatives on race with a grain of salt. How many Latino on African-American crimes are occurring in LA?
.
From the LA Times
.
Are Black-vs.-Brown Racial Tensions Driving Homicide in L.A.?
.
No. A few high-profile cases, including the suspected racially motivated killing of 14-year-old Cheryl Green in LAPD’s Harbor Division, have fueled speculation of rising racial conflict in L.A. But among detectives and police officers who deal daily with homicides, the prevailing view is that the race problem–for now, anyway–remains marginal. “I don’t think it’s there,” says Watts homicide Det. Chris Barling. Det. John Radtke, a South-Central homicide investigator, agrees. “We don’t see it happening,” he says. Statistics back them up.
.
Take the four most violent Los Angeles police precincts–Newton, 77th Street, Southwest and Southeast.
.
These racially mixed divisions cover South-Central Los Angeles and surrounding areas and consistently rank highest in homicides among the 19 LAPD precincts. Last year they accounted for nearly half of all the murders in the city.
.
But out of a total of 236 homicides in these four divisions last year, just 22 involved Latinos killing blacks, or blacks killing Latinos.
.
The vast majority–nearly 90%–involved suspects and victims of the same race. In a few other cases, the suspects are unknown, and could represent disparate races. But even in those–a mix of stray-bullet, gang- and narcotic-related killings–race is not believed to be a motive.
.
The fact that homicide seldom crosses racial lines here is not unique to L.A. Nationally, whites mostly kill whites, blacks mostly kill blacks, etc. It’s been that way for a long time, both here and in the rest of the nation. “When you look at the trends, you don’t see tremendous change,” said Marianne Zawitz, statistician with the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics.
.
Your Latino and African-American crime wave may be a figment of your own imagination
.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/2007/03/marchers_protes.html

I hope that fellow Christians will begin to concern themselves more with the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ rather than the teachings of men, Minor Prophets, and modern day Pharisees. I for one, am much more concerned with THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT than the sermon from Thomas Road Baptist church. In this instance – if we must bring politics into the church – one should compare the policies of each political party in relation to Christ’s Sermon on the Mount.

Republican Party: Lies – Empowering the rich while taking advantage of and ignoring the poor – War without cause- Torture- Alliances with Evangelical leaders in order to obtain votes in exchange for power (we still have Abortion and Gay People after 8 years of Republican rule) – Intolerance. Doesn’t sound “Christ-like” to me!

These days, the Democratic Party seems to be more in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ, especially with regard to President Obama’s most recent speech on Abortion:
“let’s work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions by reducing unintended pregnancies, and making adoption more available, and providing care and support for women who do carry their child to term. Let’s honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion, and draft a sensible conscience clause, and make sure that all of our health care policies are grounded in clear ethics and sound science, as well as respect for the equality of women.” Contraception? Care and Support for the least of us? Ethics? Obviously, Obama must be the “anti-christ”!

According to the “Church and University of Falwell”, we should simply condemn women who find themselves in such a predicament… Problem Solved! Praise God!

Regarding the other issue that seems to monopolize a great deal of time, energy, and thought in the spiritual capitol of the USA…Lynchburg (VA). Although it is not really discussed by Christ, the closest reference to the existence of Gay People is part of verse in the book of Mathew (a primary source mind you) regarding divorce: (Mathew 19:12) “For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriagec because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.” A translation and cultural study of “eunuchs” as a category reveals startling truths, inferring that Christ was speaking of the very gay people so many religious leaders continue to condemn. Through elaboration and embellishment rooted in the writings of men and Minor Prophets commenting on social-cultural traditions and church doctrine, the “Church and University of Falwell” has maligned and condemned millions of human beings (gay people) as “sinners in the first degree”. There have always been gay people and there will always be gay people in every society (just as in the day of Jesus Christ and before). How we as Christians treat gay people is the test – another failure of “Falwellism.”

As Christians, we are commanded to show Love and Compassion!

Again, the words of our Lord Jesus Christ: (Mathew 7:1) “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

Today, the “Church and University of Falwell” has created a whole new class of “sinner” they call Democrats. The very same family that has used the Christian Faith to amass power and millions through the creation of a family business –aka Thomas Road Baptist Church, bilked unwitting college students out of millions under the guise of a “4th tier” education – aka Liberty University, isolated out of context biblical passages in an effort to create their own “truth,” solidly aligned themselves with a political party for personal financial and political gain, has now – once again – narrowed their list of who is worthy and who is not.

Lest we forget – the actual words of our Lord Jesus Christ: (Mathew 7:15) “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits.”

Let’s make a list of fruit: Manipulation – Quest for Personal Power and Money – Intolerance – Condemnation – Self Righteousness…
Sounds like a group of another group of Religious Leaders Christ himself famously chastised – PHARASEES!

rwggwr: Interesting post and reasoning. Thanks for contributing.

rmrd, you are truly a moron. I mean truly. That intra-racial crimes dwarf interracial crimes does not mean that racism is not an issue.
.
And remember, the Sainted One has called for a national conversation on race and the Sainted One’s AG has called us a “nation of cowards” when it comes to race. And the Sainted One found a need to comment on the Jena Six prosecution (in a way that euphemized the actions of black assailants in a white victim case–and we’re supposed to believe that he’s evenhanded on race), yet cannot comment about murders etc.
.
And your defense is that intraracial killings are more prevalent. Ok. Moron.

spob
.
We’re having a BBQ, and you provided the entertainment. A psychologist and psychiatrist find your postings very telling. The degeneration of your language requiring the use “moron” rather than mounting a civil response is consistent with someone who only wants to inflame rather than truly discuss an issue.
.
Thanks for providing my company with an amusing diversion. People recognize you for the fraud that you are.

kawoold there would be no Lynchburg if you didn’t have Liberty students there to spend all their money at your business there. If you took away Liberty Wards road would be gone the next day. You may think little of the Falwells, but you definitely care a lot about the economy of Lynchburg. Wyndhurst is even dying in the economy.