In the Arena

Krauthammer

The usual neoconservative malingerers have been hammering me about a quote I gave to Politico, regarding Charles Krauthammer’s limitations as a columnist.

 Obviously, I didn’t mean to imply second-class status for disabled people. On the contrary, the distance and perspective that comes with physical deficits often leads to enhanced insight and abilities. The greatest President of the past 150 140 years–(Thanks, commenter flownover!)– sat in a wheelchair. 

 So it is possible to write brilliant, nuanced commentary—on the war in Iraq, for example—without visiting there. But it sure does help to understand a complicated situation in an unfamiliar culture if you can see it for yourself. Indeed, I believe the leavening effects of direct experience are especially valuable for those who are blinkered by ideology and debilitated by extreme views.

And while Krauthammer’s skills are impressive, his commentary has been dangerously bellicose, arrogant and wrong.  Given his influence with the Bush Administration, his unflinching support for American unilateralism–his invention of the notion of  a unipolar world–did extensive damage to our nation’s security and reputation overseas, and caused the unnecessary loss of  life. 

 Still, it seems clear that my remark could be construed by some as insensitive—and if I have caused any discomfort to any disabled person, I apologize sincerely. In the end, Krauthammer’s deficit is not a matter of body, but of judgment.

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  • slaneyblack

    Joe: Thanks for once again saying what everyone knows and no one says.

  • FlownOver

    Joe:
    .
    Unless you’re ready to argue FDR -vs.-Lincoln you need to review your arithmetic.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It is well known that you spend a lot of time travelling to where the news is in Iraq and Afghanisatan. While this provides you with a first hand perspective of what’s happening, it also means that you travel under the care and protection of the US military and that too can color your perceptions and has an unmistakable effect on your reporting.
    I don’t think there’s anything offensive about me pointing that out and I therefore don’t think there’s antything offensive about your observations about Mr. Krauthammer’s reporting.
    .
    Add to that the fact that he’s among the most hateful people on the planet and I’d say you have absolutely nothing to apologize for.

  • fhmadvocat

    JK,
    I have to say, the Politico article makes you look bad. While I know you were not trying to make a statement regarding his disability, the fact that the article has you making mention of that only makes it worse.
    I have been a long time reader of Krauthammer and have even sent e-mails critiquing his observations. His article involving Rev. Wright and William Ayers was way over the top. One wonders if he has actually read or heard anything written or said by either man. The real problem is his smugness in “I once was a liberal, but now I have grown.” That somehow because he was once on the “other side” he can be arrogant about his ideas.
    I was surprised to learn of his disability, but I can say, it has not in anyway changed my opinion of him or his judgments. I believe Mr. Krauthammer would not have it any other way.

  • rustyreturns

    “His work would have a lot more nuance if he were able to see the situations he’s writing about.”
    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22743_Page2.html#ixzz0G4ainXKU&B
    .
    Do you think perhaps Joe, you may have been a little be angry at a man whose body no longer functions, but his mind is brilliant. Versus in your case, you spew out garbage from a pen or keyboard, but there is absoletely no substance or semblence of intelligence behind the words?
    .
    I will let the scarecrow complex you have developed out of your days on the Wizzard of Oz be the judge.

  • choska

    In the column Ben Smith wrote called Krauthammer, “a coherent, sophisticated and implacable critic of the new president.”
    .
    This is demonstrably false. Reading Krauthammer is like entering a world of strawman arguments whose coherence and sophistication are strained, at best. Calling him coherent and sophisticated is an astonishing assertion.
    .
    EJ Dionne says he isn’t a “hater,” but that is the weakest faint praise imaginable when the “haters” of Obama are people who seem genuinely unhinged. Krauthammer may be the least crazy person in the right-wing asylum, so hooray for him, I guess.
    .
    BTW, I didn’t know Krauthammer was confined to a wheelchair. But he certainly seems like gets around quite well. I don’t know why his condition would limit his access to situations in the United States that he writes about, nor do I understand how his condition limits his ability to talk to people who have been in situations like he can’t access himself.
    .
    At least he has an excuse, unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, and O’Reilly who can’t be bothered to get to Iraq or Afghanistan.
    Read more: “Barack Obama’s biggest critic: Charles Krauthammer – Ben Smith – POLITICO.com” – http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0509/22743.html#ixzz0G4aHGrkW&A

  • rose83

    It was a valid point clumsily made. And a nice apology/clarification.

  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    With the kind of escort the military provides reporters, especially national ones, being in a wheelchair isn’t really an excuse for being unable to travel to Iraq. Sorry.

  • kathy

    Reading the Politico comment it sounded more to me like you were looking for a mitigating excuse for his bellicosity. If one exists I doubt it stems from his disability.
    .
    Nothing else you said is particularly critical. In fact, I don’t see how Krauthammer deserves your “admiration.” For his intellectual ability? What he does with it matters much more.
    .
    Most of us here think Obama’s a very clever politician, as you pointed out re: his appointment of Huntsman. But that Krauthammer sees something nefarious in Obama’s character puts him in league with the trolls here, and that is indeed tragic.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    kathy
    .
    I think it should be pointed out that the person criticizing Joe is again the ass hat from Commentary magazine. I say this because Spencer Ackerman already smacked Podhertz down earlier this morning over it and if thats who Joe is referring to the truth is that person doesn’t even deserve to have their criticisms answered because he is a frikkin idiot.
    .
    http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2009/05/20/joe-klein-hates-the-disabled/

  • sy2d

    Krauty’s is an idiot chicken-hawk that would sell his soul if he had one. Jesse Ventura recently got into it with one of the Fox morning fools and told him not to try to talk the talk if he was not prepared to walk the walk. Some of Krauty’s tomes might seem more plausible (ha!) if he was not such a coward.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “There’s something tragic about him, too,” Klein said, referring to Krauthammer’s confinement to a wheelchair, the result of a diving accident during his first year of medical school. “His work would have a lot more nuance if he were able to see the situations he’s writing about.”
    .
    THAT’S what people are pretending to be upset about? The Beltway crowd never fails to amuse me.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    When is Krauthammer going to apologize for helping lead the propaganda campaign that got us into Iraq?

  • rocket1124

    Just how does one ‘malinger’, Joe? Do you need two good legs to do that?

  • janbaz2

    Thanks to being married to someone from that Middle East, I been there quite a bit over the last 28 years. I’ve seen plenty of people in wheelchairs over the years. Quite a few wars, quite a few disabled people, DUH!

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  • shepherdwong

    Krauthammer is a moral midget and has been for a very long time:
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    July 21, 1995
    .
    Letters to the Editor
    The Washington Post
    1150 15th Street NW
    Washington, D.C. 20071
    .
    Dear Editor:
    .
    Based on the relative number of deaths resulting from the Tokyo firebombing of March 9, 1945 and the Hiroshima nuclear bombing, Charles Krauthammer defies anyone to explain the moral difference between the two [The Strategic Logic of Hiroshima, op-ed July 21]. I hope that Mr. Krauthammer understands that morality comes not from effect but from motive, wherein lies the important controversy over this act.
    .
    The question he correctly quotes, ‘why…were American policy policy-makers in such a rush to drop the bomb,’ remains unanswered by Mr. Krauthammer. It is possible that the firebombing and the nuclear bombing are not morally equivalent, as Mr. Krauthammer sees them, because the motives behind these two acts may have been different. Historians have attempted to show that the reasons for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki included: as a demonstration for feared Russia and to justify the bomb projects to the American public. The lack of strategic value in bombing these targets, relative to the Tokyo bombing, lends weight to their argument.
    .
    But it is indeed an age of moral confusion when the issue of the intentional killing of innocent civilians in war is subordinated to an argument about the morality of the method. Until recent history, such acts were thought to be committed by only the most barbaric civilizations. So it is not surprising, in committing the horrific Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings (even in response to unspeakable evil), that we should seek the solace of moral justification. The trouble is, as Mr. Krauthammer explains, “morality does not change, “ and the killing of noncombatants may have logic but has never been moral by any means.
    .
    Sincerely,
    [shepherdwong]

  • shaldi

    Joe Klein…Truly a giant among the idiot readers of an unreadable liberal fishwrap. Good luck Time as you careen flailingly into NewsWeek land…the land of unicorns and dreams.

  • hellslittlestangel

    Right-wingers take offense at a rainy day. Screw ‘em.
    .
    The nicest thing I can say about Krazyhammer is that he makes no attempt to hide his essential rottenness. If hate was heat you could roast a turkey in his lap.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Here come the Commentarytards.

  • dwilli14

    Joe,

    This post really ticks me off. I read that Politico article and was especially angered by quotes like this: “He’s the most important conservative columnist right now,” said Times columnist David Brooks.

    I am so sick of this fawning load. It is such a privilege to be a writer, especially for famous publications like Time, the Washington Post, and the NY Times. And yet even you still pretend (not sure if you’re just trying to be a polite professional) that Krauthammer is an intelligent and skilled writer. He’s NOT. It is obvious to a whole hell of alot of people. How do guys like this keep their jobs? The man isn’t a debater, he’s a deceiver of the indifferent and the ignorant. This isn’t partisan. This is real.

    What the hell is wrong with the media today?

  • themagicdog

    I’m disabled, and I think some people who are wheelchair-bound become cramped, lifeless, and bitter.

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  • kathy

    sgwhite: duly noted.

  • gpanfile

    Well, Joe, at least you didn’t say what themagicdog did and can and the rest of us can’t, apposite though it appears to be. And you didn’t go as far as mentioning Dr. Strangelove. Perhaps, though, to say such things with sufficient verbosity and ‘nuance’ to avoid gaffing, you can go to the same PR class as Nancy Pelosi.

  • drive1by

    Nice attempt at the “sorry if you were so stupid as to be offended by what I actually meant” apology.

    Congratulations, Joe. You’ve now joined an elite list of “journalists” to go off the deep end when it comes to defending the Big O. Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann hold honorary posistions in this club.

    I’ve noticed that some journalists like to ignore the President’s gaffes and questionable policy decisions, figuring if they don’t print it, it must not exist. Others spend their time printing fluff pieces about the President’s basketball prowess or the hours he keeps at the White House. And still others position themselves as the President’s chief apologists, with at least one of them apparently believing that making fun of disabled conservatives will help the “cause.” Might want to rethink that . . .

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  • rachelrochelle

    Mr Klien, you are a disgrace to your profession and to all persons who are disabled.

    What is it about liberals that they must attack their political opponents personally? We all know that Obama was making fun of Sarah Palin’s son when he brought up the Special Olympics. Now you bring up Mr Krauthammer’s physical disadvantage.
    Does it make you feel more like a man when you mock others?

    What’s next?
    Will the White House and Time declare Mr K the leader of the Republican Party? This is their usual tactic, mock and load.
    Well Mr Klien, bring it on!

  • Cliff

    What the hell is wrong with the media today?
    .
    We ask that question on a daily basis here.

  • charlesbird

    I fail to see how your travels have helped you write nuanced commentary, Joe. Your words about Krauthammer had no nuance whatsoever.

  • bbpdx

    I didn’t realize he was in a wheelchair. One need not know that to know he’s a crappy columnist. Frankly, I was shocked that the Politico piece was so complementary.
    .
    I think he’s a terrible columnist, predictable down to the sentence, and therefore utterly non-required reading.
    .
    If there is a better example of a columnist whose opinion on any given issue is a transparent foregone conclusion, I don’t know who that columnist would be. Why would anyone serious follow his column.
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    If he’s really the “most important Conservative columnist” as Brooks says in that piece, than “hooray!” for us non-conservatives.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    For those unfamilaiar with the concept, we are seeing a beautiful specimen of ‘manufactured outrage’ in it’s native habitat.
    .
    Enjoy.

  • paul50

    Mr. Klein, your original comments about Charles Krauthammer were vile and there is no way to defend them. None.

    Your apology here is an all-too-obvious attempt at self-preservation, not contrition. You have amply demonstrated that it is a far worse thing to be paralyzed from the neck up, than from the neck down.

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  • hellslittlestangel

    wow, sg. how did you know? and where did they come from?

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  • hellslittlestangel

    oh, commentarytards. never mind.

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  • shepherdwong

    “For those unfamilaiar with the concept, we are seeing a beautiful specimen of ‘manufactured outrage’ in it’s native habitat.”
    .
    Digby has a nice explanation of the right-wing hissy fit (Ritual Defamation or Ritual Humiliation) and how easy it is to exploit with the help of their friends in the right-wing propaganda machine media, as well as the unwitting (dimwitted?) assistance of the establishment press.

  • usagirl909

    Kline, I think “Paul50″ has summed it up pretty well and so I concur with him …..

    “Mr. Klein, your original comments about Charles Krauthammer were vile and there is no way to defend them. None. Your apology here is an all-too-obvious attempt at self-preservation, not contrition. You have amply demonstrated that it is a far worse thing to be paralyzed from the neck up, than from the neck down.”

    I can only add ….I READ KRAUTHHAMMER EVERY WEEK but I can’t remember the last time I read any of your crap, in fact, I often times avoid anything you author !! Kline, you only wish you had half the intellect of Mr. Krauthhammer or could come close to his ability to write coherently !!

    SMALL MAN, KLINE !!

  • jcapan

    This message will repeat: Joe Klein posts about fo-po, linking to nutter lunacy, and rebuts from the comfort of his centrist sofa. His posts appear so many sweet nothings to the estab/MIC. For visual learners, imagine the debate thus:
    ~
    L——————–[C--------------------R]
    ~
    Print this out, cut around the brackets, discard the left half of your page, and you’ll have Joe’s shtick (and almost the entire MSM’s) in a nutshell. Any voices from that discarded/unneeded portion are wholly ignored. We’re not serious, deemed too deviant for his mockery, but the lunatic rightists merit a place at the table. Of course, Mr. Gravitas wouldn’t care to admit that it’s his brand of centrism that enabled the lunatics during the Cheney-years, and, if certain historical texts were perused, much farther back than that.

  • bicraftuallass

    While I think the comment was WAY out of line–the response seems a tad over the top.

    Still…I can’t help but wonder what would have been said about a conservative self confessed REPUBLICAN if they had made a similar comment about a wheelchair bound liberal???
    Oh. Nevermind. I keep forgetting that the moral high ground is reserved for liberals. The rest of us are just idiotic, small minded, fringe lunatics that can only muster ‘manufactured outrage’ and are too mentally challenged to have any ideas/emotions that warrant merit.

    My bad. Sorry. Forgot my place in society momentarily. I’m sure it will happen again though. My apology is as heartfelt as Joe’s.

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    And here I thought Michael Yon did 80% of the worthwhile reportage from Iraq, while much of the intrepid Western Media hid under their beds in the Palestine Hotel. Whatever the value of Mr. Krauthammer’s commentary, it’s sadly typical of the ObamaMedia and their political prejudices to attack the person, and not the ideas they espouse. Ad Hominem sniping is the lowest of the low… and non-apologies are down there, too. How the mighty TIME has fallen.

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    @ #6 choska
    FYI Hannity and O’Reilly both have been to Iraq.

  • Cliff

    I always love it when the one-shotters show up.

  • flacidcasual

    Oh my god, I’m up to my knees in Republican Trolls, away with you little fellas!
    .
    As an homage to the RNC I propose a resolution to rename the Republican Party. From now on they should be known as the “Can’t Spell ‘Klein’ Republican Party”. Alternatively they could be called the “Moral Outrage Over a Journalist’s Misspeak, Whilst Condoning / Praising Torture Republican Party”.

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    By the way thanks to John Podhoretz for telling me that klein is the German word for small. If he wants the German translations for some other words I’ll do my best to help him out. Hammer is hammer, gross is big, and a good friend of mine tells me that Podhoretz is a word often used instead of weich Ei to imply lightweight by people in the Sauerland area.

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  • rustyreturns

    Wow Joe, you do not have many friends out there buddy. Sorry I beat up on you earlier. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….NOT!

  • 53_3

    Wow, Joe.
    .
    BTW, my wife just laughed. Another instance of faux-outrage. She’s on wheels, too. I wondered why she’s not upset, but then I realized it!
    .
    She’s not conservative! OMG!
    .
    So is this freshly-opened tin of mixed nuts the loonies that live over there in commentary?
    .
    It’s a bit like watching a major leak at the local sewage treatment plant…

  • deployeddude

    Krauthammer doesn’t go to Iraq because he’s in a wheelchair; Klein doesn’t go because he is a coward.

  • mvl

    Sorry Joe, what you did was make fun of the disabled.

    Now how in the world is that ok? I guess if the President does it, it’s good?

    Yeah?

    Awful, you would NEVER make that same comment towards a liberal, ever.

    We all know this. Just disgusting. I don’t expect any apology, it never comes from your type.

  • sacredh

    I used to read Krauthammer, “but now I have grown”. I had no idea he was wheelchair bound. It doesn’t seem to have any effect on his ability to be a pompous ass. His reasoning is flawed. His arguments lack credibility. He’s an elitist. Why even bother to apologize? I don’t think you implied second class status for disabled people, but feel free to imply second class status for second class journalists. We do and it doesn’t bother us at all. It comes with the territory.

  • Cliff

    Krauthammer doesn’t go to Iraq because he’s in a wheelchair; Klein doesn’t go because he is a coward.
    .
    Actually I think Klein has gone to Iraq. He’s definitely gone to Afghanistan.

  • 53_3

    Straight from the Great White Whale:
    .
    “I am resigning as the titular head of the Republican Party.”
    .
    “Clearly I am not the titular head of the Republican Party, it’s not an office I sought, it was an office position that rather was ladled onto me, and one I was appointed without by acquiescence.”

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/20/limbaugh-blasts-powell-attack/

  • 53_3

    deployeddude doesn’t hear you cliff.
    .
    Nyah, nyahnyahnyah nyah!

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  • sacredh

    53_3: Limbaugh resigned as the de facto head of the republican party? He must have finally figured out he wasn’t eligible for their prescription plan. Where’s that damned maid?

  • apetra

    Keep on digging Joe.

    You won’t get out of this one by saying “hey, don’t look here, look over there!” With a dash of “Bush sucks”.

    You should lose your job for this outrageous bigotry toward the disabled.

  • flacidcasual

    apetra, if you’re here to debate and have something interesting to contribute tomorrow, I’ll pay fair due to your opinion. But I suspect you’ll be back on the pajamas website.

  • Cliff

    Whatever. Limbaugh resigning is like Michaele Steele saying the GOP is turning the corner – they can say whatever they want but tomorrow it’s going to be the same old story.

  • moishepotemkin

    So, Joe Klein was wrong about the surge, but Krauthammer’s limited mobility somehow impairs his analysis? Odd

  • dalybean

    Wow. I think it was a mistake for the right wing to get upset about this. Because when Krauthammer starts writing about the nature of the regime and the society of Iran (which he wants to bomb to smithereens), everyone is going to remember that he’s never even been there. Good one Joe!

  • flacidcasual

    It’s another example of the right-wing smoke and mirrors act to distract attention from the fact that the only person who could ok all of this was the President, George W Bush. The CIA is only compelled to inform Congress about these activities, it’s the Executive who makes the decision.

  • kbanginmotown

    Obviously, Joe missed an opportunity to defuse the K’hammer situation: right after making the comment, Joe should have done a slapstick impression of a person flailing around in a wheelchair (a la Rushbo doing Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease).
    .
    IOKIYAR.

  • jcapan

    Difference between rightists and leftists? When a cretin like Kraut winges about his maltreatment (and isn’t it the right that loathes a victim/shouldn’t he pull himself up by his own jockstrap?), you cave dwellars not only follow the link to who wronged your wacko-knuckledragger, but you feel the need to post drivel here. Meanwhile, when we Swampthings are pistolwhipped with rightist discourse (posted by the 5 amigos of centrist wankism to the left seemingly on a daily basis), we may go and read, falling prey to momentary masochistic tendencies, but (correct me if I’m wrong) we don’t attempt to wallow into that quicksand of neo-fascist porn. I mean there’s masochism and then there’s masochism.

  • tilliswynette

    Demonize Iran and Arabs, deify Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman–Krauthammer’s daily bread. Krauthammer is the chief spokemen for the “permanent war” movement in the United States. Until this article, I thought Krauthammer got around on a bulldozer.

  • jlmealer

    Charles Krauthammer is right on all accounts with the Obama administration EXCPET that he might be too easy on them 80% of the time.

    The world needs more honest columnists and reporters like Charles Krauthammer.

    JL Mealer
    http://mealercompanies.com

  • jlmealer

    EXCEPT.. typos are my only friends sometimes!

  • juniusredivivus

    usagirl909 Says:
    Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 5:58 pm
    I can only add ….I READ KRAUTHHAMMER EVERY WEEK
    ………………………………………………
    Well, he does write for the kindergarten and hissy fit circuit, so I imagine that when you hit puberty you’ll make him a daily adventure in the worlds of almost-literacy. Until then, may God forgive what you are doing to a human mind voluntarily.

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    I used to think that Krauthammer’s scrawls might be useful for something, but the cat refused to use the relined litter-box, and staged a sit-out. I’d use Krauthammer’s work myself, but it lacks tear-off capability, and the paper isn’t soft enough. I hope that in future his publishers will fix this, and I can give the great man’s work the homage it deserves.

  • apetra

    flacidcausal, you ask me if I’m serious, with a name like yours? You come across like a loud-mouthed apparatchik for the Left.

    But there is a serious issue here.

    This kind of bigotry towards the disabled should be a fire-able offence at a serious news organization. Jokes about wheel chairs, asking whether someone in a wheel chair is competent to discuss serious issues? Time Magazine, fire this bigot!

  • jlmealer

    Woaw.. Are you implying that FDR was any sort of president and not the piece of rotting cow dung that he was? He prolonged the depression back when cars were cool, just as Obama will do with this recession/depression as the government takes over the very same automakers that FDR allowed to squash the smaller automakers for the sake of the Unions.

    This article is more bile from Time… What a sad state of leftwing leaning buttwipe this publication has become!

  • juniusredivivus

    jlmealer Says:
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 12:56 am
    Woaw.. Are you implying that FDR was any sort of president and not the piece of rotting cow dung that he was? He prolonged the depression back when cars were cool, just as Obama will do with this recession/depression as the government takes over the very same automakers that FDR allowed to squash the smaller automakers for the sake of the Unions.
    ………………………………………
    Oh dear, another Amity Shlaes reader. Why can’t these people get a decent education? But I suppose it might interfere with the things that matter to them: taking their science from Genesis, their history from Limbaugh, and their economics from Alan Keyes.

  • rachelrochelle

    I love how the liberal cultists see nothing wrong with what Klein said yet they had the vapors when Rush shook like Michael J Fox. .

  • juniusredivivus

    rachelrochelle Says:
    Thursday, May 21, 2009 at 1:09 am
    I love how the liberal cultists see nothing wrong with what Klein said yet they had the vapors when Rush shook like Michael J Fox. .
    ………………………………………………………….

    You mean the former titular head of the Republican Party? I don’t think he likes being called “Rush” anymore. Better be careful, Rache, otherwise the Limbo Man is going to get you – and your life will turn into an exquisite hell of endlessly mopping down his sweaty dewflaps,relieved only by the Saturday night pinochle and oxycontin orgy.

  • selvarin

    Krauthammer–hateful? Typical leftist jibe. That’s what I think when I read something like that. Krauthammer has his own viewpoint but neither he nor his words are hateful.

    That’s one difference between most Conservatives and Liberals:

    A) Conservative–I don’t think you’re evil, I just think you’re wrong.
    B) Liberal–You’re wrong, you must be evil!

    There are some principled Liberals who don’t subscribe to B) (Camille Paglia and Tammy Bruce, among others), but I don’t see as many of them as I’d like.

  • nickatdabeach

    Joe Cupcake.. er.. Klein was Clinton’s biggest cheerleader so it’s no surprise he continues running interference and doing dirty work for BHO. Mr. Krauthammer is the best, frankly, bar none. Klein couldn’t wear his jockstrap and has been on the cocktail circuit too long, has lost objectivity, if he ever had any to lose. Clown.. er.. Klein could takes lessons from Mr. Krauthammer. You shame the profession Joe.

  • flacidcasual

    apetra, you should know not judge a book by it’s cover (or screenname), I’m certainly not a loudmouth. I also think Joe was wrong to suggest that Krauthammer’s disability would affect his writing. However, all the fire and brimstone that’s being spewed here should not distract from the fact that Krauthammer is a key cheerleader for a foreign and defense policy that the majority of the country has turned their back on. A worldview that would put us in a near permanent conflict with the Muslim world if followed through. Slapped wrist for Joe on his insensitive comment, but promoting a failed policy that sent thousands of service men and women to their deaths in Iraq should probably give Krauthammer some cause for thought.

  • nycjoe

    joe – you were always an ass ,even back in your Newsday days -Now your just a bigger one

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    neither he nor his words are hateful.
    .
    Tell that to the people in the target zone.

  • exchanged1

    Mr. Klein,

    The first rule of apologies is that any purported apology beginning with the word, “IF”, is no apology at all. Clearly, Mr. Klein, you offended at least one “disabled person”, i.e., Charles Krauthammer. You also must know you offended many others. Please have the decency and temerity to amend your remarks and extend a genuine apology.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    People who have apologized who shouldn’t have.
    Natalie Maines
    Dick Durbin
    Wes Clarke
    Joe Klein
    .
    People who still Owe us
    .
    Dick Cheney
    David Addington
    John Yoo
    Thomas Friedman
    Randy Scheunemann
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

  • rustyreturns

    You missed Bill Clinton on that list, Dirks!
    .
    (Dirks saying to himself, “now where should I put ol’ Bill, on the top or the bottom list?”…hmmmm

  • apetra

    Slapping the wrist of a demonstrable bigot, instructing his readers to dismiss the comments of a mere cripple, who because of his disability could not possibly understand the issues?

    Fire-able. If Time has any standards, it must end its relationship with this bigot. Fire him. Immediately.

  • sacredh

    I’m assuming an earthquake has damaged some bridges and driven the trolls from their natural habitat. It seems like we have quite a few new ones.

  • zeferimus

    Joe writes;

    Still, it seems clear that my remark could be construed by some as insensitive—and if I have caused any discomfort to any disabled person, I apologize sincerely. In the end, Krauthammer’s deficit is not a matter of body, but of judgment.

    Joe needs training in sensitivity issues. You do not refer to that particular group of people as disabled people. You address them as people with disability.

  • bornagainamerican

    Go away, Republicans and neoconservatives. You don’t care about children and the planet. You are hateful and stupid. You only want more money. We hate you and your comments here. Go back to your place. There should be a law against you posting here. Mr. Klein was right. This Krauthammer is attacking President Obama. He should stop doing it. We have hope now.

  • sacredh

    bornagainamerican: Please don’t chase our trolls away. I count on them to make me appear rational.

  • 53_3

    “I’m assuming an earthquake has damaged some bridges and driven the trolls from their natural habitat. It seems like we have quite a few new ones.”
    .
    I thought it was the sewage treatment plant next to the commentary blog site that exploded. It’s too bad I can’t tell the difference between the turds in the outwash from the commentary folks caught in it…

  • 53_3

    “You address them as people with disability.”
    .
    If that was all there was to it, why is my wife not getting upset about it, zeferimus?
    .
    Krauthammer’s a piece of sh!t.

  • sacredh

    53_3: It looks like the troll population doubled. Is Octomom accounted for? I sure hope she’s not pumpimg them out now.

  • flacidcasual

    Another point that’s come to me is why should Krauthammer being in a wheelchair stop him from traveling anywhere? My 91 year old Granddad, who is now confined to a wheelchair has taken more foreign trips this year than at any other time during his life.

  • http://crushliberalism.wordpress.com/ crushliberalism

    From Ace:

    “Meanwhile, Joe Klelin’s able-bodied, fully-ambulatory, and luxuriously-padded ass remains safely in his Manhattan condo. Where he gets his Iraq information from real first-hand sources — Maureen Dowd, Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald.”

    Zing!

  • jlmealer

    Why is you liberal maggots want to knock Krauthammer when you have that dicksmoke Olberman attacking anyone and everyone that IED supplying and Iran funding, US troop murdering, GE CEO and head of NBC IMMELT (Obamas’s new ACORN buddy)?

    Certainly you can see the difference in the two types of people:
    Baby killing, welfare receipients, multiple major college student, dope smoking, mostly gay, gerbil packing liberal Democrats, and the working class Conservatives (Republicans for the most part) who pay your way?

  • tilliswynette

    It seems odd that people lobbying for a military attack against Iran feel entitled to criticize Klein for insensitivity.

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