Re: Pelosi and Waterboarding

“Pelosi put out a response, praising C.I.A. employees:”
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Is this woman a hypocrit or what? She needs to go back to San Francisco and put the ol’ feedbag back on her face rather than talking out of both sides of her mouth.
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Nancy Pelosi is a H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-I-C-A-L LIAR

Nancy-dear is becoming more TOXIC by the minute. My oh my how the outrage can shift with just a few botched up press conferences.
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“Not, I was NOT informed about water-boarding”. NOT, Nancy, Not! You WERE informed and you did absolutely nothing as usual.

And furthermore, I want her Air Force provided plane grounded. Anyone who has the utmost disrespect for our country like this woman does deserves to walk down the boarding area with the rest of us rubes.
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No Plane Nancy! No Plane! No Plane!

Rusty, shouldn’t you be performing your scrotal cleansing assignment for Reichsfuhrer Limbaugh?

rusty for good or bad, Nancy Pelosi has one of the safest House seats in the country and a host of chits to cash. She ain’t going anywhere!

Pelosi/Frank 2016.

No, Frank/Pelosi 2016!

Woof! Woof!
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snfsnfffff! snuff! Arf!
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Thumpthmpthmpslpslpslppslllllspslpslpslpthumpthumpthump
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tktktktktk…

Junius, I think rusty tucks it all up inside when Generalissimo Limbaugh performs his inspection.

Either way…is there any excuse for the fact that the torture “debate” has shifted so it’s almost as if the only one people are clamoring to charge or try over this Pelosi? And not…you know, the people who did the waterboarding or those who advocated, ordered, and justified it?

Confuse the real story with minor side issues? MSM? Surely you jest.

flaciscasual: Barney on top? Of Pelosi? I rest my case.

You know you are driving wingnuts crazy when they write out the first 3 comments within minutes of each other. Gotta love it!

sacred, oooh and I thought I had the twisted sense of humor. I just think that Barney Frank is the stronger embodiment of Democrat values. With him in charge we can be assured of legal weed emporiums and mandatory sodomy. Think progress.

You would think JNS would at least quote the most important part of Panetta’s statement rather than paraphrase it incorrectly.
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As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.” Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.

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Notice what the statement doesn’t say. That she was briefed on the fact that they HAD BEEN employed which is the actual bone of contention. Don’t think that was just a coincidence as Panetta has something to lose too should it be found that he is not representing what is actually in the record. I will refer again to reporting Greg Sargent did last week.
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http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/cia-notes-on-pelosi-meeting-dont-specify-briefing-on-waterboarding/
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In the newly-released documents detailing the torture briefings given to members of Congress, the portion describing Pelosi’s single briefing says she was told about the use of enhanced interrogation techniques in general, but doesn’t specify whether she was told about the use of waterboarding. That was specified about some briefings given to others.
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I asked CIA spokesperson Paul Gimigliano why. His answer: Because the notes and memos on the Pelosi meeting that form the basis for the docs didn’t allow them to go that far, meaning that they didn’t specify that she’d been briefed on waterboarding in particular.

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So just to recap last week a CIA spokesperson admitted that their information wasn’t specific enough to go so far as to specify that Nancy Pelosi had been briefed on waterboarding in particular. Nancy Pelosi said the only mention of waterboarding was to say it wasn’t being done. Leon Panetta comes out and tells his minions that the briefing shows that CIA described the techniques used on Zubaydah but makes no statement of whether or not she was briefed that they WERE used on Zubaydah. In point of fact when you go back and look at the original report from the CIA it doesn’t actually say that Pelosi was ever told that waterboarding or any other EITs had been used but just that they had been described.
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EXTRA In the interim Bob Graham and Jay Rockefeller also come out and dispute the accounts of the CIA. Richard Shelby releases a carefully parsed statement that doesn’t refute Bob Graham’s (who was he was in the briefing with)account. Porter Goss, who attended the same briefing as Speaker Pelosi,wrote an op ed that specifically does not mention any knowledge that the EITs had been used and actually hints at corroborating Nancy Pelosi’s account. But he follow us with the notion that he felt she “should have known they were GOING to do it.” And yet the story for JNS hasn’t changed much at all has it?

Why doesn’t Small teach her puppet masters how to use the blog software then she won’t have to do anything at all?

“Anyone who has the utmost disrespect for our country like this woman does deserves to walk down the boarding area with the rest of us rubes.”
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Just like all the hippies disrespected you when you returned from Nam and they were spitting on you as you walked down the tarmac right, joker?

flacidcasual: Barney Frank is one of my favorite members of congress. The guy is smart, knows the rules and uses them and best of all…I can’t even count the times he’s left some of republican adversaries standing there with a dazed look on their faces wondering WTF hit them.

There is a huge gap between:
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“Let me be clear: It is not our policy or practice to mislead Congress. That is against our laws and our values. As the Agency indicated previously in response to Congressional inquiries, our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing “the enhanced techniques that had been employed.” Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened.”
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And:
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Speaker Nancy Pelosi was “truthfully” briefed
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The statement from Panetta is stuffed with wiggle room. He doesn’t even say Pelosi was in fact truthfully briefed (which he could not say, because he wasn’t there.) The post is simply wrong.
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But IAC, let the investigation begin. Let’s bring Cheney and Yoo and Bybee and Pelosi and Graham and Tenet and Bush and Rockefeller and Hastert to come on down.
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Let Boehner put the resolution in place, and put Republican appointee Fitzgerald in charge. But if they are not going to do this, then JNS and politico and Halperin need to stop carrying this water. Pelosi is peripheral to this, and it is appalling that she is being made the center of a story that has been out since Mark Danner provided the Intl Red Cross reports documenting torture, that was systematically ordered by the US government in order to provide political cover for an administration that lied the US into a pointless, brutal war.
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Ah, never mind.

From a regular at GG’s, DC Law:
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‘I want to point out that the main reason, if not the only reason, for this overwhelming media view is because the only lens through which they can see this issue – like every issue – is the Republican/Democrat or conservative/liberal lens. When one’s entire point of reference for even issues of egregious lawbreaking goes no further than fixating obsessively over the identity of the people and parties to the “controversy” and the issue’s putative effect on partisan politics, whether a leader of one party was informed of the crimes of the other takes on a meaning perversely greater than the evil of the underlying conduct itself.
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Our establishment media simply cannot get beyond this stultifyingly narrow framework. It is pathological. Additionally, this staunch avoidance of anything approaching a substantive assessment of the actual illegal conduct, in favor of a petty fixation on the partisan “helps or harms” game, helps only the “side” that has committed the crimes and wrongdoing. No wonder our discourse is so unbelievably misshapen.’

It’s all happy family in the beltway for now. Pelosi is so proud of the CIA. Panetta thinks that Congress should determine what happened (good luck on that), and doesn’t seem to have a full grasp on his own job. Happy, happy.

sacred, I fully agree! The Right focuses so much of their bile on him, because he stands up to their BS and doesn’t swerve from a confrontation against the likes of Bachmann. For these reasons he’s top of the fantasy liberal ticket in 2016, especially if the other choices are Mark Warner and Evan Bye!

“It’s all happy family in the beltway for now” Yup, everyone can roll over and forget about sh!t like this again:
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http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/strongest-animal-by-digby-this-is-just.html
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Move along, nothing to see here, no concerns or questions necessary.

Thanks for the DCLaw post. This is why it hasn’t until now, been a story. There was no she said to match the he said. Now that the republicans are saying “But, Mommy, Nancy also approved of torture” there is an acceptable he said/she said story line.
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Bizarre.
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And, of course, there is hole in this reasoning too. Because there was plenty of opposition, in the streets and on the Hill to the Iraq invasion and occupation that simply wasn’t reported on. So a component of this is that the he said/she said balance thing has to start from a GOP lens.
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Even now, when they have been completely discredited, and put the country into the worst shape it has been in since WWII. Or perhaps Reconstruction.

Mark Warner Vs. Booby Jindal in 2016. I think I’d go bowling instead.

for formerlyhames:

This one’s pretty long. 2:02 minutes
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jayackroyd: Trying to make sense of people who don’t make any sense is just going to give you a headache. Saying they’ve collectively gone crazy and gotten stupid is a simplistic answer, but it’s the answer that fits. If you try to figure out and predict other people’s behavior, you naturally assume that they too are making logical decisions/conclusions. They aren’t. You can present facts, SC decisions, treaty signings, laws, the constitution and whatever else you want to try to convince them that they’re wrong or have misconstrued the evidence, but it doesn’t do any good. They’ve gone to that happy place where nothing else is going to intrude into their world.

Ok check this out. I am not going to say I am 100% sure of this but I think we have been played by the CIA and the media for over a week now. I kind of alluded to it in my last comment but basically it didn’t hit me until right after I clicked submit. Go back and look at the CIA report and Panetta’s statement. Try to look very hard at both and find a place where the CIA or Panetta himself states that Pelosi was told that EIT’s had been used. Now go back and look at what both the report and Panetta actually said. They both say, and I am paraphrasing but its true to the wording, that the CIA described techniques that had been used on Abu Zubaydah. They described techniques had been used on Abu Zubaydah. They DESCRIBED techniques that had been used on Abu Zubaydah. After all of this bullsh*t the truth is both statements actually don’t even begin to refute Pelosi’s statements. They said basically the exact same thing that she has said except her version has the lie in context as it was told to her whereas the CIA version has the truth. Which is why it was “truthful”. Let me give you the Pelosi version then the CIA version side by side.
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Pelosi: The CIA described EITs to me but said they weren’t being used yet. (She didn’t know this was a lie at the time)
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CIA/Panetta: The CIA described EIT’s to Nancy Pelosi that had already been used on Abu Zubaydah. (Now we already know the truth that they had been used)
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Note that when you go back and examine both the CIA statement and Panetta’s statement they never say explicitly that she was told that the EITs had already been employed. Now think about it. Who knows any better than the CIA how to word a report or a statement so it can give one impression but not actually say what is inferred so as to not be legally liable for people getting the wrong idea.
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Of course I could be wrong and if I AM wrong then all JNS has to do is call the CIA and ask point blank if their information sows that Nancy Pelosi was told these EITs had been employed on Abu Zubayda in the Sept 2002 briefing, yes or no. If they dpn’t answer or try to repeat what they have already said instead of a yes or no then there is your answer.

If we’re on jukebox mode I’d like to offer this one up as a summary of 43.
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But sacredh, while the GOP has walked away from reality, the people reporting on it haven’t. I don’t think, anyway. When I exchange tweets with them, or read what they say, they don’t sound insane. They just seem trapped in this method of communication that doesn’t permit them (JK, Frank Rich, Krugman excepted) from just saying “Boehner said XYZ, XYZ is utterly false, and it is hard to understand why he would say something that is demonstrably false.”

When can we expect Time magazine to post this video of pea-brained Pelosi responding to a request to identify what she knew and when she knew it:

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“My statement is clear, and let me read it again. Let me read it again. I’m sorry. I have to find the page. When — when — when my staff person — I’m sorry, the page is out of order — five months later, my staff person told me that there had been a briefing — informing that there had been a briefing and that a letter had been sent. I was not briefed on what was in that briefing; I was just informed that the briefing had taken place.”

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Pelosi had “to find the page” to answer a question about what she knew and when she new it? There are a lot of very stupid Democrats in Congress, but Pelosi may be the most stupid.

jacapan, thanks for the link. If gitmo is ever shut down as it should never have been opened, maybe a bust of Lakhdar Boumediene with the inscription “Habeas Corpus, may we never forget” would be an appropriate symbol.
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jay, thanks for the music. The long one is shorter than torture methods which have been applied by our country in the name of democracy.

Seeing all the talk and exchange about who knew what was going on, I keep thinking of the movie “Rendition”. Like the abuses were such a big secret, and everybody didn’t know, yet somebody wrote a script and a realistic movie was produced telling it like it was. Duh.

They just seem trapped in this method of communication that doesn’t permit them (JK, Frank Rich, Krugman excepted) from just saying “Boehner said XYZ, XYZ is utterly false, and it is hard to understand why he would say something that is demonstrably false.
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It’s the unfortunate legacy of Fox’s style of ‘Fair and Balanced’. Apparently, saying that the facts support only one side of the debate can’t be done, because it’s not ‘balanced’.

KagroX shows how this is done.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/5/15/731937/-David-Waldman-On-The-Iraq-Torture-Link
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What is hard about this JNS? There is, at this point, no ambiguity. It is not about Nancy Pelosi’s briefings. This is about the use of torture for purely political reasons, right out of Room 101.
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What does it take for fair and balanced reporters to say this. And note, McClatchy had the Iraq was a lie story right. Now they have this one right. Wilkerson was inside. The evidence is overwhelming. What does it take to treat this as the story that it is?

you libs would defend Obama and Pelosi no matter what they do.You lose all credibility when an obvious BS er like Pelosi is caught. Jayack..you come across like the true idiot DailyKos plagerizer that u are. If u wnt to be taken seriously..I wouldnt post links from Kos…have a little respect for yourself.

youlikechips, your fellow cons are more than happy to post links to the Weekly Standard and TNR etc., so I don’t see how referencing Kos is any different.
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Fact is, that quoting any of these partisan sources is never going to persuade someone on the other side of the debate that they are wrong. It’s all just for fun.

jayackroyd: Sorry I took so long to respond but Bill Mahr was on. I agree that the GOP has walked away from reality and that the people reporting on it haven’t (for the most part). But if they DID say the GOP isn’t making sense anymore and that the GOP wasn’t dealing with reality any longer, wouldn’t they pretty much just have to report on the conflicts between the blue dogs and the other members of the democratic party? Even centrist media tries to portray both sides of the issues. What would they have to do if there was only one side to report on? I think the answer is making basically non-stories like Pelosi and the briefings major stories. MSM should be screaming for investigations and trials instead of just screaming.

ilike, no, no, no. What part of no do you not understand. I am a diehard liberal (you can use it as a dirty word if you wish, i don’t give a fk). If the abuses of the Bushies come to roost on Dems, so be it. Lock them up. Get it? No Repugthug abusers, no Demo abusers of our Constitution and rule of law. No. Did you hear that? No.

I have to second DCLaw’s contribution. JNS seems particulary vulnerable to the maladay of seeing everything through the lens of football-game coverage. But then she spends her entire workday hanging out in the Capital building and reading Congressional e-mails so I suppose her perspective has some built-in limitations.
Out here in the hinterlands, the people who are worried about restoring our Constitution and the rule of law consider Nancy Pelosi a huge part of the problem.

But if they DID say the GOP isn’t making sense anymore and that the GOP wasn’t dealing with reality any longer, wouldn’t they pretty much just have to report on the conflicts between the blue dogs and the other members of the democratic party?
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Well that is the real story going on right now, the corporate capture of a good chunk of the Democratic party, serving the banksters, the health insurance “providers,” the defense establishment, the telecoms and so forth, This profound corruption, in the wake of the demonstration that Republicans are nothing more and nothing less than tools of the same corporations, is the story.
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Can’t expect GE: bankster, defense contractor and media mogul to report on this, though.

ilikechips
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[laughing] [pointing]

Out here in the hinterlands, the people who are worried about restoring our Constitution and the rule of law consider Nancy Pelosi a huge part of the problem.
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Not to mention Steny. And Chuckie. Neither Pelosi,Hoyer nor Schumer are representing their constituents. I am really hoping that the FDL/Glenzilla accountability project target Hoyer.
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And, of course, John Amato to take out Harman.

The unfortunate thing about the MSM’s he said/she said shtick is they capitivate pretty solid majorities of the shirts and skins out there. ‘Oh no, they’re attacking one of our own (i.e. Pelosi) now, we’ve got to mobilize and rebut these outrageous lies.’ The media has reduced horrifying war crimes to a partisan circle jerk, but even sadder (IMO) is that far too many dems are willing to wage this fight on their terms, looking away from dem complicity then and now. There’s a reason why Olbie, Maddow and Stewart have been excoriating the POTUS all week.
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To repost something GG said today:
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“Under Bush, half the country was trained to recite all sorts of dangerous propositions about how important it is to vest The President with all sorts of powers to keep us safe, how vital it is that he keep things secret to protect us from the Terrorists, how we can trust in our leaders to exercise in ways we don’t understand because we know he’s good at heart.
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And now, with Obama, a significant portion of the other half of the country is being trained to recite the same things.”
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We can all agree that Cheney and co. are neo-fascists. What genuinely surprises me is that so many “liberals” are willing to enable an admin. intent on protecting war criminals.

The trouble is that we should expect Obama to try to retain these powers. It is up to the legislature and the courts to claw them back. The worst possible resolution is Obama saying “We don’t torture, but in Sarah Palin’s administration, it is her call.”
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All of this turns back to a combination of profound bipartisan corruption and GOP bloc voting for their tribe in the Senate. The number of Senators actually interested in effective policy is in teens. This is a problem for Obama, but a crisis for the country.
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I am going on vacation next week. Time to reread Gibbons.

My juke-coin choice:
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=99593954136770412
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“They tellin’ you to worry about the future
They tellin’ you to never worry about the torture
They tellin’ you that you’ll never see the horror”
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Michael Franti, Yell Fire

It’s said that Obama’s plan is incremental, and just be patient. I can accept that to some extent. But my patience is wearing thin. How is extending the gitmo existence, and extending secret commissions to try whatever secret offenses have occured of which we haven’t been informed maybe throwing a handgrenade in battle or orchestrating 9/11 or being a driver of some terrorists or maybe being in the wrong place at the wrong time or knowing somebody who knows somebody who is a bad dude or what, what, what??
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Obama is a Constitutional scholar. This is what we get for that? I am still trying to be patient.

I do not think it helps to be patient. I think it helps to say WTF. Obama has demonstrated that disagreement doesn’t bother him, and that we engage in response. It is hard. There is the Village bubble. But just saying, over and over again, WTF seems a wise course to me.
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and winning some primaries in 2010.

Speaking of fascists, I’m watching some doozies in Pan’s Labyrinth on my other window–holy smokes, fun for the whole family fantasy, it ain’t. Torture as a tool of state–Franco & W.
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And Jay, I’d say it’s not merely that Obama is okey dokey with disagreement. I’d go one further, civil liberties extremists, progressives, we are people he’d love to sit down and talk with. It takes all kind of views, I reckon he’d say. In fact, we’re so many Rick Warrens. Maybe we’ll get invited to the WH for milk and cookies at some pt. So many illusions: of influence, participation and change. So far, progressives have as much influence in his WH as we did with Bush. Meanwhile, the machine churns along. So, yes, patience is much overrated–Obama has been in power, after all, for a 100 days of 200+ yrs. of this game. Sullivan praise BHO as a master of rope-a-dope, but I’m afraid he’s reading the fight all wrong.

That is certainly one way to read it. All I know is that we can only say WTF and elect people who are not in line with this.

“My statement is clear, and let me read it again. Let me read it again. I’m sorry. I have to find the page. When — when — when my staff person — I’m sorry, the page is out of order — five months later, my staff person told me that there had been a briefing — informing that there had been a briefing and that a letter had been sent. I was not briefed on what was in that briefing; I was just informed that the briefing had taken place.”
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Textee-You and I are worlds apart on just about everything, but I have to give it up. I burst out laughing when I saw that it was pretty funny to watch. I expect to see it as a skit on SNL.

“And yet the story for JNS hasn’t changed much at all has it?”
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And yet, why should the “story change”, when we are dealing with a serial liar? The truth canno be hidden, no matter how much you or any of your liberal political hacks in Washington attempt to hide the truth.

Testing testing one two three

This is an interesting take: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/rubin/66171

Serial Liar? SERIAL LIAR????
A Republican dweeb has the nerve to talk about serial liars?
I used to be a republican, and I loved Rush Limfraud, until I went to a Jesse Jackson speach at the University of Texas (to impress a girl, I’m not going to lie). He spoke, I liked alot of what he said, and then the next day I heard Rush Limfraud’s show, where he misquoted Jackson and put soundbites in his show from Jackson’s speach out of context. I’m not saying both sides don’t do this…I know they both do, but Rush’s were absolutely ridiculous to anyone that was at the speach.
Again, I’ve said it before, Ann Coulter and the rest of the republican Nazi brigade are going to try to tell you that we waterboard our SERE troops. Here’s the truth. It’s is very controlled and none of them are waterboarded till they pass out. The CIA waterboarded Zabayda 83 times, all till he passed out.
In a “ticking time bomb” scenario, if someone has information about the “ticking time bomb”, are you stupid enough to think they don’t know how much time they need to waste before the time bomb is released?
And if I am getting tortured, and I know there’s 4 hours till the bomb goes off, are you actually retarted enough to think I can’t send you on 8 hours of wild goose chases…but wait…I’m a trained terrorist, so I can’t possibly put up with 4 hours of torture…oh, wait! Yes I can! And torturing me for actionable intelligence is just plain stupid!
So other than proving bully rules of a playground, what does torture accomplish?
And if Nancy Pelosi knew that it was going on, she needs to be in jail for the rest of her natural life like G Dub, Cheney, and the rest of the F*tards that knew about this useless crap.
Again, people that have been tortured (and they would be a good source in my eyes) like John McCain will tell you that you get nothing useful from it, just false confessions of what the torturee thinks you want to hear to get the torture to stop.
Rusty Returns, Textee, and the rest of the short bus people, I agree…Nancy Pelosi belongs in jail, along with DUBYA, Cheney, and especially all the lawyers that gave up their conscience to justify an act that gets you nothing worthwhile, and ironically nothing that can be used in a court of law.
PALIN/LIMBAUGH 2012!

Rush “Limfraud” as you call him is nothing more than the other talk show personality types on TeeVee. He is not the leadership or the base of the Republican Party despite all of the feeble accusations of Rahm Emmanuels of the world.
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Your delusions of calling Rush the party persona, is no differnt then me calling Keith Olberman the party’s voice for the far left liberal extremists. Or, any of the other far left nutballs at Code Pink, Daily Kos or MoveOn.Orgy.
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Save your disgust of Limbaugh and treat him for what he is, an entertainer, not the spokes person for the Republican Party.

To quote all the Repub rejects, before they post it…
CHANGE INDEED!!
Wait! There has been an actual change? We didn’t plan for that!
We better fall back to our roots!
Gay Marriage is wrong!!!
Socialism…SOCIALISM!!!!
Too many foreigners mucking up the democratic process…close our borders!!!
Democrats are weak on crime!!!
You are unfailry using the internets!!! Close the Google Machine!!!
And Carrie Prejean is the new Mary Mother of GOD (because Sarah Palin has shown to be too flawed).
Be proud, Textee, Spob, and RustyReturns…you are the figureheads of a dying breed. When you are 3 of 3000 rebulitards, you can say you are in the top one thousandth percent for once in your life. Good luck with that.

I do not ever visit Code Pink, Daily Kos, or Move On, because I realize they are useless.
But your own party has given Rush the title of leader, so you all have to live with that. And that’s the facts, Jack.

I have nevr seen a Democrat publicly apoligize to Keith Olberman…how many repuplitards have publicly asked for a Rush apology in the last year?
CHANGE INDEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And by the way, if you don’t realize that talking respectfully to even the lamest country on earth like they matter (cough, cough…North Korea) will boost our standing as the greatest and msot powerful country on Earth, you must be a Republitard.
With great power comes great responsibility.
Even the weakest kid on the playground (North Korea) feels like he needs some respect. He may not be stupid enough to pick a fight with the strongest kid on the playground (the US of F’n A), but he wants to be noticed.
If the srongest kid on the playground is smart, he’ll give the kid some recognition. he won’t fight him (he knows he’ll destroy him), but he’ll take the kid aside and let him know there has to be some give and take.
G Dub was all about face…Don’t front on us! We’ll Kick your butt!
Obama is about everyone saving face. But I am perturbed by the fact that he hasn’t even acknowledged nK so far.
I live in South Korea, so it would be nice if he lowered the tension here.
CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F’N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
D!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bak to topic…if Nancy Pelosi knew about the torture of detainees (and again, torture is totally F’n usless) she needs to be in prison, like DUB OH YA, Cheney, and the rest of the Republitards from the last Regime.
Anyone that knew about things going on that we have already punished as war crimes (see WW II, Japanese Generals, Waterboarding, or if that’s not recent enough for you, US Military, Viet Nam, Waterboarding) needs to go to jail. But something you don’t seem to understand is that I HAAATTTEEE Nancy Pelosi! I want her in jail more than you do! She is not the voice of the Democratic party! I live for the day when she is removed from speaker of the house!
It will only help the Democrats.

Digby, as usual, gets it right.
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http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/modest-proposal-by-digby-nancy-pelosi.html

Pelosi, Cheney, Bush, Gonzales, etc., etc. should all be investigated. Anyone who had any part in enabling torture should be exposed. The hard part will be determining who should be hanged.

JNS,
You wrote in your article: ‘And with that, she upped the ante in the high-stakes spat over who knew what — and when — about the Bush Administration’s enhanced interrogation techniques (EITs), like waterboarding, which many now classify as torture. ‘
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Your words are clear, but their meaning is misleading. You say many ‘now’ classify waterboarding as torture. As though there was a ‘then’ — when some people didn’t classify waterboarding as torture. As though everyone didn’t classify waterboarding as torture in the past.
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My question to you is this: Can you name anyone who didn’t classify waterboarding as torture before the republican administration started doing it? Anyone at all? If not, please correct your article. As it is currently written it is either unintentionally sloppy and misleading, or it is intentionally dishonest.