In the Arena

Bibi Being Ridiculous

At first, I thought that Bibi Netanyahu’s position that the U.S. had to make progress on getting Iran to stop its nuclear fuel enrichment program before he’d start negotiating with the Palestinians was a joke, a rhetorical extravagance intended to get the U.S. to put a little more pressure on Iran. But, it appears, he’s serious. At the heart is a basic misreading of Israel’s Sunni Arab neighbors, who are–it is true–as concerned about Iran’s nuclear ambitions, and support for para-military groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, as Netanyahu is. (I recently had lunch with a prominent Arab leader and Iran was Topic A, with the plight of the Palestinians an afterthought.)

And while it’s true that the Arabs are more worried about Iran these days, Israel’s colonialist settlement policies on the west bank–and its overreactions in Gaza and Lebanon–make it impossible for the Sunni governments to form the sort of anti-Iranian alliance that Netanyahu is fantasizing about. Furthermore, Israel’s continuing, crass and illegal encroachment into Palestinian lands–which Palestinians consider every bit as immoral as Israel considers suicide bombers–makes it less likely that a two-state solution will be viable.

My guess is that Bibi’s real agenda is the slow annexation of the west bank via Israeli settlement. He will do anything to slow or avoid doing what has to be done: not just stopping the settlements, but rolling them back. His next step, I’m told, will be to make a show of opening negotiations with the Syrians, knowing that glaciers move faster than the Assad family does when it comes to diplomacy. The Obama Administration has made it clear that it wants the settlements stopped. But it may need to do more than make the sort of perfunctory statements that George W. Bush g0t away with. The President may risk the ire of America’s Professional Jews–the AIPAC and neoconservative gang–if he gets tougher with Israel. But those Jewish noisemakers, who represent a minority of American Jewish public opinion, will be taking a risk, too,  if they oppose this very popular President who won the support of 78% of Jewish-American voters.

Nazis Everywhere–Redux: Put Newt Gingrich and AIPAC together and what do you get?…Why, Nazis, of course. Did you even have to ask? I will not say that Newt was exploring the nether reaches of Jewish philanthropy for his alleged 2012 presidential campaign. Perhaps he really believes that we now face a choice between 1939 and 1979. Perhaps he really believes:

“We need to recognize that there are some regimes we will never be able to cut a deal with because they are in fact evil.”And as if that was not clear enough he explained, “Ahmadinejad if he gets the weapons will be every bit as evil as Hilter.”

But if he really believed that, wouldn’t he take the trouble to be accurate and say: “If the Supreme Leader gets the weapons, he will be every bit as evil as Hitler”? But no, the flagrantly powerless Ahmadinejad is the public anti-semite, so he gets empowered by Gingrich. Again, Iran’s drive to refine nuclear fuel is legal–under the nuclear non-proliferation treaty–but a matter of real concern, especially if, as expected, the Iranians are trying to get into the same position as the Japanese. That is, to be bomb-capable if not clearly armed. It would be nice to try to prevent that. But the more Americans, and Israelis, sound as demagogic and threatening as Gingrich, the more likely it is that Iranians employ the obvious response and arm themselves in order to provide a deterrent against nuttery. Gingrich’s saber-rattling may help in the fundraising department but, happily, it doesn’t–as John McCain found out–necessarily win elections. It also makes America less safe.

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  • 53_3

    Joe:
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    I have a question.
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    As loud as the AIPAC and the Neocons have been, drowning virtually every other Jewish voice in matters concerning Israel, do you think that Obama will make serious moves to put some teeth in his commitment to a Palestinian state?
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    I’m really concerned that he won’t. There has to be some force driving the peace process. If it can’t come from within, it has to come from without.
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    And that would be Obama…

  • apollyon07

    I guess it’s because Bibi knows that Iran won’t stop it’s nuclear program, so then it’s a convenient excuse to hold this position?

  • 53_3

    apollyon07:
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    You’re probably right. Iran won’t stop. And Bibi, of course, now has every excuse to not make peace.
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    Add to it the other hoop that he’s presented Abbas with, and it’s clear that peace is not in the cards.
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    But, this then begs the question:
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    Just how long can Israel go on fighting endless low level conflicts, draining it’s resources and people’s patience simply because they can’t keep the “settler” tail from wagging the Israeli dog?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Perhaps the one thing conservatives all seem to have in common is a deficiency in mathematics. If Bibi continues the settlements at some point there will be nothing left to build that viable second state. Time and demographics are clearly not on Israel’s side.

  • Tom in The Swamp

    53_3 — in answer to your question, “Just how long can Israel go on fighting endless low level conflicts, draining it’s resources and people’s patience simply because they can’t keep the “settler” tail from wagging the Israeli dog?” — exactly as long as you and I and the rest of the tax-paying American population can continue to be conned into paying for it.

    It stops the moment we cut off funding for it.

  • 53_3

    Dee:
    That’s Bibi’s point.
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    Remember!
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    Israel is a democratic state. Just like the US was before civil rights*.
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    *Not rhetoric. Check fer yerselves. Look up “Israeli Arabs” on the internet tubes, fer starters…

  • 53_3

    Actually, I spoke a bit to quick, Dee:
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    When Bibi gets it to the point where a Palestinian state is not viable, then what?
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    The way I see it, he has only two choices:
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    1. A secular Israel
    2. A Jewish Israel and ethnic cleansing*
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    *Ethnic cleansing is the removal of an ethnic group from a specific geographic location. Ethnic cleansing does not have to involve death. It is however, a crime against humanity.

  • 53_3

    Tom:
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    Will Obama risk it though? I’m not sure about how that would go over because that 78% that Joe refers to seem to not have a very loud voice.

  • 53_3

    “My guess is that Bibi’s real agenda is the slow annexation of the west bank via Israeli settlement…His next step, I’m told, will be to make a show of opening negotiations with the Syrians…”
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    Joe, it’s the step that takes place between the former and the latter steps that I worry about. I think that is the biggest issue of all here.
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    What will he do with the 5.2 million* impoverished Palestinians? After all, they will still be there…
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    *Israeli Arabs included

  • mrein

    “My guess is that Bibi’s real agenda is the slow annexation of the west bank via Israeli settlement. He will do anything to slow or avoid doing what has to be done: not just stopping the settlements, but rolling them back.”
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    Well, Joe, everyone is entitled to their own “guesses” and I’m grateful that you are candid enough to acknowledge that this statement is merely a “guess.” Since you’re ostensibly a journalist, however, shouldn’t you do some research and make an educated guess though? Your guess is not based on any particular facts and, of course, is just a falsehood.
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    The facts are: (1) Netanyahu is the only Israeli leader to actually evacuate settlements in the West Bank, turning over Hebron to Arafat in 1998; and (2) Netanyahu only supports “natural growth” of settlements, which does not involve any additional land but just building additional houses on currently occupied land (yes, people can oppose this but it is not the “continuing, crass and illegal encroachment into Palestinian lands” that Joe talks about).
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    Of course, one of the “Professional Jews” you talk about could have told you all of this. It’s too bad Joe is an Unprofessional Jew.

  • dalybean

    mrein:

    If the settlements in the West Bank are illegal, isn’t a policy of “natural growth” of those settlements also illegal? Are you sure that is Netanyahu’s position?

  • Tom in The Swamp

    53_3: No, I don’t expect that, barring an Israeli pre-emptive strike on Iran, Obama will risk revoking the military subsidy of Israel.

    However, I could see him working to reduce it in his second term, especially if Israel’s military continues to aggressively oppress the Palestinians.

  • formerlyjames

    I hope that Obama calls Isreal’s actions in the region for what they are rather than ignoring reality and sucking up to them. Iran cannot be dealt with effectively with blind allegance to Isreal as we historically have. Isreal can contribute nothing to a resolution. Russia can help, and we should link up. Ironic that Lieberman, the most destructive zionist was born under the soviet star.

  • shepherdwong

    “My guess is that Bibi’s real agenda is the slow annexation of the west bank via Israeli settlement.”
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    Ya think?! Squarely in Cokie Roberts territory there Joe.

  • dalybean

    In 2007, the U.S. government inked a 10-year $30 billion deal for a 25% increase in military aid to Israel. The deal effectively precludes Bush’s successors from using military aid as leverage in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and with respect to Israeli settlement policy. http://www.juf.org/news/israel.aspx?id=25496

  • joaquimaugustoleal

    You’re getting hysterical mr Klein. Why not renounce American citizenship and move to gaza and mingle with those civilized Arabs who, unfortunately, are surrounded by uncultured Israely thugs.

    No, better start by reading a fine article from a rational journalist: Michael Elliot’s piece on the great Maggie Thatcher.

    That will sooth your radicalism.

    Cheers from Portugal (not Jewish)

  • 53_3

    They just won’t quit ’til they blast a big ol’ hole in the side of the Earth…

  • karim0cairo82

    What some people fail to notice is that settlement building have been going on for dozens of years already! Bibbi and Lieberman are just more frank and straight forward regarding their plans as opposed to previous Israeli leaders who would talk about peace and then do nothing except continue the suffering of 6 million occupied Palestinians and 5 million Palestinian refugees, who most of them live in stinky refugees camp for more than 60 years.
    All that injustice and suffering will backfire on Israel, if not now then later but it will come…

  • formerlyjames

    joaquimaugustoleal, why don’t you just renounce whatever and move into a nicer house in your neighborhood, nevermind ownership of titles. Just beat whoever lives there over the head, drive them out and take comfortable residence. If they protest, shoot them. Call the police and report a breakin on your newly acquired property.
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    Elliot’s piece is drivel. I won’t protest a tribute to the now recognized feeble minded woman, but to couch it in terms of lessons for Obama is absolutely stupid. The meat of the article had no correlation whatever to the title of the article. Three things about Thatcher that Obama needs to know: knew what she wanted, pragmatic, let the middle class “feel” that they control their destiny. Jibberish, just like your post.

  • pluto98

    I think Obama and his team realised a long time ago that before they can put proper pressure on Israel to negotiate properly they need to improve US relations with Iran, not so much to change anything dramatic in the region, but to make Iran moreacceptable in general to the US public. This will make it much harder for Israeli politicians to continue their preposterous assertion that as soon as Iran gets a nuclear weapon they’re imediately going to use it on Israel.

    formerlyjames, Elliott’s piece is indeed drivel. I wonder if joaquimaugustoleal was being ironic in describing Thatcher as ‘great’. Without digressing too much from the topic here, it’s worth comparing Elliott’s piece with the fact that as a direct result of Thatcher’s policies her Tory party remains to this day utterly unelectable in Scotland (where I am), where they have precicely zero MPs. Some legacy….

  • fhmadvocat

    Of course, Bibi is being “ridiculous”, because in truth, he has no interest in a two state solution for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Seriously, why should Israel compromise? They continually steal land from the Palestinians to expand colonies, eh, I mean settlements. P.S. for mrein, “natural growth” means taking more land to expand existing settlements. What Israel “promised” was no NEW settlements, though we have seen they have broken that promise long ago.

    In truth, as long as Israel has our support, it has no reason to compromise with the Palestinians. Bibi has been clear, and in fact, more honest than most Israeli politicians when it comes to the Palestinians. After all, Barack, the so-called moderate expanded settlements at a much greater rate than Bibi ever did. Bibi is only interested in the terms of Palestinian surrender. He offers a few crumbs of economic help in order to exploit the natural resources of the West Bank for Israel’s benefit. No Israeli “peace” offer has ever offered the Palestinians control of anything other than people. No airspace, not border control, none of the natural resourses, just the people and that patch of land they live on, which is continually dwindling as we write . . . . . . .

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