Over-Interpretation

Goldfarb actually got a dig in on you too by extention. What he is basically saying is that you have your…. Nah I don’t think I have to interpret it for you. But thats just who Goldfarb is.

Or Nixon-Kissinger? Oh, great.

Joe when it’s the conservative ideologues it’s called enhanced interpretation.
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When the rest of us do it it’s called serial exaggeration, stretching the truth, lying etc.

Any thing that comes out of Goldfarb is immediately suspect. I did not have read any further in your post. This is all you need to set things straight about anything with Goldfarb attached to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JdjZEfxk2w

They’re just completely losing it. It’s April and they have already used Hitler and Stalin. The party is in tatters. The twentysomething daughter of their presidential candidate is calling out the leadership–and sounding like the sane person in the room.

“and sounding like the only sane person in the room.”
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Fixed.

Pat Buchanan just introduced a Martin Luther King defense to torturers, I’m done.

JayAck: Megan McCain for Pres. Now that’s a turn for the books – 8 years from now, eh?. Joe: Jones is well regarded in New Delhi and I think that is worth something. It is not important what Commentary and the Weakly SubStandard people think. Ignore them dumbos.

Thanks gunny. I know you’ve got my back. Schmidt may still have been there, though.

“[T]hink Scowcroft-Bush or Clinton-Berger”

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Is that the same “Berger” who stole highly classified national security documents, stuffed them in his underwear and then destroyed said highly classified national security documents and buried the ashes in his compost bin?

Soon it’ll be Sean Hannity taking Goldfarb’s lies and spinning that to mean “the entire Obama White House will soon implode, leaving Obama ripe for impeachment!”

The right wingers sure can be funny – if they weren’t so deadly serious…

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Joe, take it as a compliment that you are being over-interpreted. Cheney, Gingrinch and Rove on the other hand can barely get a bunch of folks who can’t even successfully destroy tea bags to listen to them.

Of teabags and right wing extremism that doesn’t exist.
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http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/04/twitterraid.html

Over exageration??
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Klein writes in an earlier article…“Gates is considered a major success within the Administration, as is the straight-talking Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton. There is some concern, however, about National Security Adviser James Jones, who is still adjusting to civilian life after a brilliant career in the military.”
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When you consider someone a “major success” and “straight talking, Hillary Clinton” which is REALLY pushing the envelope to Pluto, how do you say someone has exaggerated on what you write. Now to Klein’s statement about Jones, “who is still adjusting”. How are you supposed to interpret the anagrams that Klein writes?
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It is pretty easy to write, Joe. You simply say what you mean and mean what you say. When you delve into anagrams and paradoxic statements, you may be part of the “conspiracy”, when you write journalistic trash as you usually do.

sg, just jumping in here, but I seem to remember rusty standing at that particular fence right here on Swampland.
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Oh, excuse me! Speaking of…

And speaking of ex-Republicans…
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8018188.stm

And speaking of Democrats professing “race wars” if Clinton or McCain won the election of 2008, instead of Obama.
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RACE WAR: Florida Congressman Says Palin ‘Don’t Care Too Much What They Do With Jews and Blacks’… ^
From the September 25, 2008 14:03:04 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

Philadelphia columnist declares: ‘Race war’… ^
From the September 16, 2008 09:44:28 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

Philadelphia Columnist Warns: ‘If McCain wins, look for full-fledged race war’… ^
From the September 02, 2008 14:28:59 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

Philadelphia Columnist Warns: ‘If McCain wins, look for full-fledged race class war’… ^
From the September 02, 2008 14:22:54 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

Philadelphia Columnist Warns: ‘If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war’… ^
From the September 02, 2008 13:34:30 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

RACE WAR: OBAMA CAMPAIGN, BLACKS OUTRAGED BY CLINTONS ^
From the January 11, 2008 20:12:25 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.

RACE WAR: OBAMA CAMPAIGN, BLACKS OUTRAGED BY CLINTON ^
From the January 11, 2008 20:10:24 GMT edition of the Drudge Report.
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Unfortunately the link Drudge gave about the reports are no longer available, but you can get the idea of how far left extremists use tactics like race and race baiting to get people upset.
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But, good try 53_3 and sgwhite. Maybe the “high Sherrifs” will finally do something with the both of you for incitement.
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You both are so far over the top that it isn’t even funny. Go bark up someone else’s tree, TROLLS!!

More here if you can to read on….
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http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/09/02/radical-liberals-threaten-race-wars-if-mccain-wins/

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66895.html
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WASHINGTON — The CIA inspector general in 2004 found that there was no conclusive proof that waterboarding or other harsh interrogation techniques helped the Bush administration thwart any “specific imminent attacks,” according to recently declassified Justice Department memos.
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That undercuts assertions by former vice president Dick Cheney and other former Bush administration officials that the use of harsh interrogation tactics including waterboarding, which is widely considered torture, was justified because it headed off terrorist attacks.

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How are you supposed to interpret the anagrams that Klein writes?
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Anagrams? How ’bout these, rustyreturns?
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er rusty runts
err rusty nuts

Are we surprised that the guy who is still trying to peddle a connection between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 attackers would lie about the efficacy of his torture program?
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What I have learned over the last eight years is that the one unprecedented skill GOPers seem to posses is the ability to come up with a lie, as easily as a four year old can come up with tears, when they don’t get their way.

Hmmm. It zeeem zat our Neo Nazi “freind”, er, uh, I mean, feind, doesn’t like being called out for his past actions.
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Oh well. It’s ok. One of these days, he’ll probably step over the line again and maybe wind up as Bubba’s newest freind.

Dee, I had a similar thougt the other day regarding science. Science is a quest for proving the truth through facts. Anyone seaking to thwart or rebut science does not want truth, rather, they want a forum for the perpetuation of lies.

Dang I thought my iphone did auto spell check

Perhaps instead of tracking how much they lie, which has come to be a given whenever GOP lips are moving, we should be monitoring the intellectual rigor being applied to these less than truthful pursuits. Sort of on par with America’s dumbest criminals. Republican’s dumbest lies. We could spend the whole weekend scouring the internet for the most stupid lies told bt the party faithful.
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Heres’s a start…
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Waterboarding was effective. If you have to do it 6 times a day how effective can it be?

I think it would take more than a weekend, Dee…

53– I think you are right may be we should include additional parameters to narrow the search, such as lies told by a specific groups like Congressional Republicans or former Bush administration employees or we could limit by subject matter like lies told in response to the torture program.

Dee, that’s easy… just add “twisting” to the thwarting and rebutting of science, mix in torture, and there you have it:http: //blog.wired.com/defense/2009/04/in-a-2005-memo.html

Cliff
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Prepare to be irritated unless something major happens this weekend.

I need more topics. I’m hurtin’ man. Don’t make me go to the Sludge Report. I can feel the brain cells dyin’ just thinkin’ bout it.

The Drudge Report. Doesn’t a Ouija board provide more accurate information?

Topics
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Swine flu outbreak
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http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/24/724231/-What-Does-The-Swine-Flu-Outbreak-Mean

The Porter Goss CYA op ed
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http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/25/porter-goss-attacks-on-pelosi-and-harman-but-admits-cia-broke-the-law/

The Drudge Report. Doesn’t a Ouija board provide more accurate information?

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Depends on which spirits you get in touch with Sacred. *Sigh*. I almost wish the Pakistani army would take over now just to give us something to gnaw on. Or if we all chipped in could we talk KT into working weekends?

President Obama lays the smackdown with budget reconciliation for healthcare. That means it WILL happen this year
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http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=20447

King Abdullah of Jordan says it was torture on MTP
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/25/king-abdullah-on-torture/

Here’s floater. I like the idea of them providing an “open” thread every Friday afternoon. We could throw out different topics, discuss them and when they come back to work on Monday they can take the ideas they like and follow up on them. We usually learn more from the comments anyway.

Cliff: Shameless is good. I tried modesty once and came to the conclusion that modesty is just something for people who have nothing to brag about.

President Obama talks about cutting the deficit.
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Broder out does himself today
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http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_04/017910.php

sgw: I did watch King Abdullah on MTP. As much as I hate to stir up the wingnuts, how can we claim the moral high ground if we give a free pass to those people who took the low ground? I had been against trials for those who issued the memos because it would be THE story for years and take away from time needed to address our other pressing issues. Now…I don’t believe we can move ahead unless we lay the issue to rest. I don’t care how many people take a fall. It’s better to get the ball rolling and put it behind us. Saying we won’t do it in the future just isn’t enough. If some democrats get caught up in it too, that’s for the courts to decide. We need to show the world that we take responsibility for our actions.

Some of the comments in that Hilzoy article hit like a hammer Sgw. Especially the one about the son on the fourth deployment.

What the Republicans have turned into:
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21638.html
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Yep, it’s that bad.

Absolutely remarkable. The Washington Post’s full-throated defense, in every corner of the newspaper, of Cheney’s torture program. Every. Single. Columnist. has weighed in on this. Let’s move on, they all say, desperately. No ambivalence, no nuance, nothing. No room to hear out the other side, which they ALL characterize as “vengeful.”
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I mean, have you EVER heard of a newspaper to mount a full-on defense of illegal acts, let alone war criminals and war crimes? Iraq war — they did print some dissenting views, some people who had nuanced misgivings. I recall some shock and ambivalence with the pardoning of Cap Weinberger and his fellow felons for Iran-Contra criminal activity. Obviously, they were in the lead on the crimes of the Nixon administration.
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I have never seen anything like this universal defense of criminal acts on the part of a NEWSPAPER. Have you?

yutsano, so James Bopp (around the clock) wants to call the Democratic Party the Democratic Socialist Party. Funny, I’ve thought for years that the Repubs should call themselves the Natiional Socialist Party. Nazi for short.

MJones
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I think Eugene Robinson is the only one who was for an investigation.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/23/AR2009042303717.html?nav=hcmoduletmv
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But even he doesn’t give a full throated endorsement of an investigation, probalby because he still wants to be invited to be a guest pundit on Morning Joe. I always thought journalism was about “getting to the truth”. Turns out that motivation is entirely dependent on who the subject is. I offer this post from dibgy.
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http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/nobody-said-this-was-going-to-be-pretty.html
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Perhaps a lot of why these pundits are so reluctant to look back is because when we look back we will notice that THEY were also advocating stuff like torture back then.

I should have credited properly, it came from a comment on the Balloon Juice thread Sgw linked to earlier. It’d be nice to get some commentary on that from KT or JNS. Monday maybe?

I just mentally raped myself by reading the Broder. Fitting that I paste this here, in another gatekeeper’s thread:
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http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/04/ignorance_is_bliss.php
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I am thrilled that my hometown paper, WaPo, is hemmoraging, being kept alive by Kaplan (ha!). The sooner they and their ilk die, the sooner the nation escapes the clutches of the courtiers.

All BS aside, I think that swine flu story is the biggest one flying under the radar. If it turns into a pandemic then the steps President Obama will have to take will play in perfectly with calls of facism even though it would be the right thing to do by quarantining people and instituting travel restrictions. Also in the wingnut radio/blogosphere there are some trying to paint it as a potential terrorist attack. Thats pretty damn far fetched but I could see it turning into a rallying cry for them what with their focus on conspiracy theories these days.

jcapan
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I take that Coates thread and raise you to this one
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http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/04/why_dont_we_all_focus_on.php
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Be sure to click on the link in the post that goes to his other post, which is hilarious, “Ten Shots Of Anything”

Swine flu now in Kansas from guy who travelled to Mexico and his wife.

And lest we forget, the President himself was recently in Mexico
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http://twitter.com/stevebruskCNN/status/1615513978

Glenn Greenwald interviews the UN Special Rappatuer on War Crimes
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http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/25/nowak/index.html

Second in command of hijacked ship blasts Rush Limbaugh
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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/25/maersk-limbaugh/
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Will wingnuts now turn on the men who they were lauding as heros just a few weeks ago? I bet they don’t turn on Limbaugh regardless.

This thread is now officially wide open huh?

Wide open. They didn’t leave us enough threads to play with so…call me pirate. Hijack at will my friends. And enemas.

They didn’t leave us enough threads to play with so…call me pirate.
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FREE PIRATE WENCH!!! (and while you’re at it bring back SZ!)

Did anyone else notice that Washington Post got shut out of the Pulitzers this year, except for Eugene Robinson? They’ve been doing some very mediocre work this past year. Even Dana Priest has lost her way.
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Dana Priest: Okay, here I go again…even though some of the actions in the memos appear to be torture, we are not talking about pulling out fingernails, cutting off limbs, burning body parts, electrocution, etc. This was a fairly controlled set of things. It’s a huge leap, it seems, from one to the other….and no, I’ve not lost my soul. I’m just trying to get back to the reality of what this program was and was not.

I suspect piratewench has a life so she’s probably out doing things people with lives do. Me…I just finished rototilling my garden. Be still my wild heart.

Dana needs a reality check. I suspect that even five minutes of being subjected to some of the “enhanced techniques” that she thinks “may” appear to be torture would give her a different perspective. Peobably even two minutes of being slapped around and tossed against a wall would change her mind. Unless she’s into that sort of thing.

OK. I didn’t use spellcheck. That was supposed to be “probably”.

MJones and sacredh
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Notice that just like Chris Matthews, Dana Priest totally overlooks when the people keep pointing out that the laws were on the books precisely to keep us from acting rashly after a national tragedy. Instead she keeps saying its a “big debate”. No the big debate was over in 1984 when President Reagan signed us onto the Conventions Against Torture. The only debate now should be how long of a prison sentence these people should get.

“Dana needs a reality check.”
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They are all scared sh*tless of seeing Bush/Cheney et. al., brought to trial and eventually sent to prison for war crimes. Can you imagine how that thought absolutely rocks their privileged, insular little world?
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They were treating Bush like Churchill while he was having dogs sicced on naked and completely innocent Iraqis and torturing others for information that didn’t exist. The psychopathic presidency they simply didn’t notice.

Matt Y makes a very good point which hopefully someone will make to the Dana Priests and David Broders of the world. The case for MORE waterboarding
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http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2009/04/the-case-for-more-waterboarding.php

Well, that’s what I mean by the Washington Post being steeped in mediocrity. Even Dana Priest, whom I admire very much, is being conditioned to accept the Dick Cheney-supporting view of minimizing the torture that occurred. The ICRC, who is charged with assessing whether a prisoner was tortured, has verified that these acts are legally torture. So Dana Priest’s opinion, and Joe Klein’s opinion, about whether they amounted to torture are irrelevant.
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What they are trying to do is condition the national media to accept that these illegal acts weren’t so bad. This desperate ploy, which seems to be working now, has worked in the past with other criminal Republican administrations: Nixon, Reagan, now Bush. If Cheney’s people can convince the national news media, the strategy goes, they will in turn marginalize the people who believe that these people should be investigated and charged with crimes.
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Priest was right though, they didn’t, evidently, consider that the international community is ALSO charged with acting on war crimes and violations of the Geneva Conventions, and the international community aren’t so willing to be led, sheep-like and compliant, into accepting that the acts committed as outlined in “ICRC Report on the Treatment of Fourteen “High Value Detainees” in CIA Custody” just weren’t as bad as pulling out someone’s fingernails, and therefore these people should get a pass.

sgw: I agree. It’s a big debate in the pro-torture club. The law is the law. Their debate is making sense only to them. For them, 9/11 changed everything. Laws became inconvienient so they came up with justifications to ignore them. It didn’t and doesn’t matter to them if the memos won’t stand up in court. It doesn’t matter if torture yields useless information. It’s what they want to do so they do it. Now they’re pretending that it’s a debate. The debate is in their minds so it exists. It astounds me that they’ve gotten into the mindset that they are the ones protecting the country. They question the patriotism of those who don’t go along with their criminal acts. At some point they lost their minds and reason no longer works. They’re living in their own world according to their own interptretations. Bizarre.

yutsano Says:
Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 6:01 pm
“What the Republicans have turned into”:
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In an e-mail sent Wednesday to the 168 voting members of the committee, RNC member James Bopp, Jr. accused President Obama of wanting “to restructure American society along socialist ideals.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21638.html
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What is so new about this? I have been saying it for nearly 4 months now.
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You would have to be almost brain dead to not have noticed what Obama’s agenda is for the Country. As a matter of fact, those of us who opposed Obama from the very beginning back in the primarys knew this is what he was going to do. Turn our country into the United States of the Socialist America. USSA.

sgwhiteinfla Says:
Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 6:49 pm
And lest we forget, the President himself was recently in Mexico
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Hmmmm, that’s true sgwhite. Who was the first President to die in office from some type of illness?
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Oh heck, I went ahead and looked it up for you.
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William HenryWilliam Henry Harrison 1840 31 April 4, 1841 Pneumonia and pleurisy 68
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Nope Obama can’t get the first President to die of an illness notority while in office.

I believe this was the whole purpose of smilegate. The hopes of Cheney et al. was if they can portray Obama as needing to prove his trength by standing up to the international community, then they can position Obama to stand up against an international war crimes tribunals as the only adequate test.
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Isn’t ironic that they spent the last year trashing the one person they will soon count on to protect them from being prosecuted for their crimes. At the very least he will be expected to pardon them here at home. Just imagine an American president sitting in the Haig, the right will sooner destroy this country then to admit that some of their own were such criminals that they must be punished by the world. Their fragile little psyches are just not up to this.

I wonder how long before the wingnuts call for David Duke’s release.
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http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/former-gop-lawmaker-and-kkk-member.html

Here’s the upside people, if we get a few more cases of swine flu, we might get to cordon off Texas even if they don’t secede, Sorry KT, no special passes for travel through the infected areas, you’ll have to pick a side and stay there.

Dee: I can imagine Bush and Cheney sitting in the Hague. I just can’t imagine them sitting there without restraints and their mouths duct taped shut. The right wing here are going to lose their minds. Well, lose more of what’s left of them. The only thing that might soothe them is tax cuts and perhaps teaching Creationism in the schools. The big problem is going to be convincing them that the padded cells are “classrooms”. Maybe we should put a stripe on the straight jackets and say it’s a Gucci. They do have a thing for brand names.

Good one sacred. You know they say if you live long enough you will find the humor in just about anything. I wonder how long it will take the GOP to realize they are a joke?

Second night in a row: NBC Nighly News embargoes torture story. Not. A. F*cking. Word. Nothing on the website either. Another important story spiked by The Big Money Boyz. Bad for business, don’t you know.

I think the “real” republicans already know it. They’ve got to be just as shocked as those of us on the left about what their party has degenerated into. Their southern strategy turned into a pyhrric victory. They’ve got a fanatic exorcism perfoming base that’s heavy on the uneducated bigots. I really don’t think they ever believed that those people would dominate the party. Now they’re stuck paying tribute to a pill popping radio personality and they don’t have the faintest clue about how to get out of that mess. It couldn’t happen to nicer bunch of old white guys.

You cannot expect that the major broadcast media will be addressing the torture story in a way that will inform the audience. The three networks are completely and totally beholden to the prevailing groupthink of Washington DC. And the prevailing groupthink of Washington DC is to minimize the acts committed by the previous administration and to protect them. The entire social/media structure of Washington DC has decided to become torture apologists for Dick Cheney.
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Thankfully, the DoJ doesn’t need the permission of NBC and the torture apologists to move forward. Neither does the international community. It will all come out in the fullness of time.
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It will all come out in the fullness of time.
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In other words, Gates proves just how sage his mild opposition is. He basically said he was against it but it was gonna happen anyway.

I honestly don’t know that there’s a right answer about the torture question. Whilst I would personally like to see a fair and thorough investigation of the “Rendition” practices, which holds those people who directed and authorized these activities accountable, my great fear is that it becomes a politically-motivated process. It will be very hard to keep the politics out of any investigation.
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The debate could very quickly become a rematch of the Clinton / Lewinsky impeachment process, which would only undermine the seriousness of the issues that we’re talking about here.

What if the torture methods that we know about aren’t the worst ones? They destroyed a crapload of videotapes. It’s possible that what they destroyed contains far worse. If they used methods that weren’t covered by the memos, would even the defenders of waterboarding revolt? It isn’t hard to imagine a few interrogaters going overboard and exceeding the limits placed on them (retroactively). I wouldn’t bet my next paycheck that fingernails weren’t pulled out or cigarettes weren’t put out on the captives.

Obama sais at first that he wants to move forward and not get bogged down with trials. Then he left open the possibility that the people who concocted the memos could face trial. I wonder if he received information that changed his mind. It’s still in the back of my mind that he’s playing the people involved in the last administration so that they “force” him to allow release of information that is going to lead to trials. The people at the top that were involved just can’t keep their mouths shut. I think we need to pay attention to see if “By their own admission” comes into play.

First of all, both Cheney and Bush have already admitted they authorized the torture program. Secondly, there are more reports and more information going to be coming out. Drip. Drip. Drip. That’s why the Washington Post is doing this full-court press, minimizing the acts, each time they become worse and worse. I don’t think it would be wise for the leadership to start moving on this as yet. Let it drip out, stay in the news. There will come a time, I think, when the way forward cannot be denied any longer.
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When that time comes, Joe Klein, I think, and others will have found themselves, once again, on the tragically wrong side of this issue. As he regrets not speaking out against the Iraq War, and regrets some of the stuff he wrote about that and the (ahem) Protect America Act, methinks he will regret his current position, which appears to be, move on. Nothing to see here. An American torture program? Never mind!
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Remember that guy Dilawar? Yeah, they did a lot of bad stuff to these people besides the illegal act of torture that the Red Cross calls suffocation by water, as if that weren’t bad enough. It will come out. There is also a PBS piece TORTURINGDEMOCRACY that eventually will be out.
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I think it is healthy to have this full debate. We were denied that opportunity under the Bush Administration, let’s have it now.

Cliff Says:
Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 8:22 pm
What is so new about this? I have been saying it for nearly 4 months now.
Yeah, but you’re batsh!t insane.
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“Quick quiz: What, precisely, does socialism mean?”
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Clifford,
You know what socialism is, now don’t be so dense.
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But here are two great examples of what we are about to see from the Obama Administration.
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The first one is a treaty that he is supporting, and will soon come to the Senate floor.
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http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={B56D7393-E583-4658-85E6-C1974B1A57F8}
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If you take the time to read through this web page from parentalrights.org, I am sure you will come to the same conclusion as I have, and hopefully many millions of parents and grandparents will also conclude. I am hoping a few readers on swampland, even some of you wacked out far left liberal extremists will see how dangerous this type of “treaty” would be on the American parent.
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The 2nd has to do with how some of the State Departments of Health are now warehousing blood samples of new born infants.
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This is just a sample of what you will find in “socialism” for America.
“Establish a national list of genetic conditions for which newborns and children are to be tested. . Establish protocols for the linking and sharing of genetic test results nationwide. . Build surveillance systems for tracking the health status and health outcomes of individuals diagnosed at birth with a genetic defect or trait. . Use the newborn screening program as an opportunity for government agencies to identify, list, and study “secondary conditions” of individuals and their families.”
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I was not aware of this one, that was signed by George W Bush on June 2008. I also see it as further Government interference into our private lives. You know Cliffy, the “pursuit of life, liberty and happiness”!
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Now we are talking about, no let me rephrase, Obama and Geithner have now taken over the banking system. GM is ready to fold unless it is also nationalized under the Obama Administration. All in the name of who? Our great Unions. Socialist backed unions of the United Socialist States of America.
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The problem is, once you step into the socialist world, it could quickly become a facist socialist state. Where everything you eat, drink, think, act, talk or say is controlled by the government.
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Nationalized healthcare, housing, cap and trade, and on and on.
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When does it stop Cliffy? How far do you think it should go? That is the real question, not “quick test… hahaha..”what precisely does socialism mean”?

Oops, forgot the link to the “Feds to Screen DNA of Newborn Babies” web page,
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http://www.triallogs.com/index.php?/content/view/275/50/

Please don’t feed the troll.

sgwhiteinfla Says:
Saturday, April 25, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Please don’t feed the troll.
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My my, the “High Sheriff” WANNABEE who drove sturatz off of this blog site has spoken. Wow, I am so impressed.
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sgwhite, the only thing you are good for is going to the Daily Kos website and copying all of the far left liberal garbage they profess on that site and re-posting it here.
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Grow up. 3rd graders put you to shame.

I was not aware of this one, that was signed by George W Bush on June 2008. I also see it as further Government interference into our private lives. You know Cliffy, the “pursuit of life, liberty and happiness”!
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*calmly awaits the explanation of how Dubya is not a “True Republican”*
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BTW it’s “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”.

And you are so right, yutsano, my bad. I stand corrected.

So it was actually quite illuminating to see what rusty thinks constitutes socialism.
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Hey I’m still reveling in the backhanded compliment. I guess paying attention in civics class paid off for me!

So just as a note from now on the last post before the weekend (unless we get thrown a weekend thread to scrap over) is offically open territory?

Rusty:

While I there are legitimate privacy concerns raised by those two examples you gave, I don’t think they constitute socialism, unless socialism is defined broadly as government interference in private lives, which I don’t think it is. Do you disagree? I would really like to try to pin this down as the definition of “socialism,” why everything the Democrats do of late reeks of “socialism,” and why “socialism” is so bad on its face that the mere use of the word is a slur have all been mysteries to me.

Open thread:
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/25/bea.arthur.obit/index.html
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RIP Maude.

That’s off-the-rails stupidity. Newborns have been routinely screened for metabolic disorders like phenylketonuria since the early 1960′s. As genetic and metabolic deficiency tests become available, those screening tests have been added to the heel stick newborn screening test that is performed on all babies. Details on that here: Newborn screening – Wikipedia.

But the really, really batty insane part is the suggestion that somehow it is socialism to screen newborn babies for metabolic disorders. These are state programs, you doof. Each state has jurisdiction over not only the newborn screening policy, the state determines exactly which tests will be routinely performed, and the state health departments retain the data and the results as well.

How you get from state-mandated newborn screening for catastrophic but highly treatable metabolic disorders by state jurisdictions to socialism is a marvel of abject ignorance. I think it proves beyond a doubt that poor rustyreturns not only has never been laid, but holds out no hope whatsoever that it will ever happen in his lifetime. And that saddens me.

OT-if there is a topic, that is-but Minnesotans are running out of patience.
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Minnesota Poll: Most want Coleman to call it quits
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A new Star Tribune Minnesota Poll has found that 64 percent of those responding believe Coleman, the Republican, should accept the recount trial court’s April 13 verdict that Democrat Franken won the race by 312 votes.

Only 28 percent consider last week’s appeal by Coleman to the Minnesota Supreme Court “appropriate”.
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http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/43699772.html?elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUoaEaD_ec7PaP3iUiacyKUnciaec8O7EyUr