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Step aside, Silvio Berlusconi! We have a winner. Whoo boy. Where to start with this?

A North Texas legislator during House testimony on voter identification legislation said Asian-descent voters should adopt names that are “easier for Americans to deal with.”

[snip]

Brown suggested that Asian-Americans should find a way to make their names more accessible. “Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese — I understand it’s a rather difficult language — do you think that it would behoove you and your citizens to adopt a name that we could deal with more readily here?” Brown said.

I think it’s the “your citizens” I like best.

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  • spob

    Funny, you guys will blog about some obscure North Texan legislator, but let the sainted one talk about a “typical white person” and you resemble clams.
    .
    Naaaaaaaah, no liberal bias here.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Where have you gone, Molly Ivins?
    *
    The best part of this story is that the name that flummoxed the Distinguished Gentlewoman was “Ko”

  • spob

    And Amy, what about Conyers’ wife’s comment about who people who don’t look like her? Don’t recall a blog post on that one . . . .
    .
    Liberal bias, it’s what’s for dinner.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Hey Amy don’t you think you should have given gunny credit for bringing this little gem to your attention or are you saying that you don’t read any of the comments after you post?

  • formerlyrainbow68

    Not cool!

  • mjshep

    Well you know names like Wong and Li are so hard to pronounce and spell. After all, my wife has a friend named Linlin Li and it took me years to learn how to say it. I keep telling her to change her name to something easier to remember, like Nancy Pfotenhauer.

  • Cliff

    do you think that it would behoove you and your citizens to adopt a name that we could deal with more readily here?
    .
    Yeah! No more of your made-up ching chong language!
    /snark

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    This country has entirely to much ignorant white trash to succeed I’m afraid.

  • piper1

    “but let the sainted one talk about a “typical white person” and you resemble clams”
    .
    Wait, what day is it today? April 9, right? And what year? Did I wake up and all of a sudden its 2008 all over again?
    .
    Spongebob, the quote you are apparently upset is not getting enough play is OVER ONE YEAR OLD. Try to keep up, k?

  • mjshep

    One more thing, Brown said,

    “Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese — I understand it’s a rather difficult language…”

    Actually Chinese, although not easy for the Western ear to pick up at first because of the importance of the tonal differentiations of similar sounding syllables, is a simpler and more direct language than English or most Western languages. For instance, verbs never change form due to number, tense or gender as in European languages and the grammar is quite straightforward and logical.

  • rmrd

    spob
    .
    In looking up Ms Conyer’s behavior I noted the following from a site called blogprof, who appears to lean towards the Conservative viewpoint. blogprof says the following about Ms Conyers:
    .
    ……she has been beat up even in the liberal media because of her boorish behavior. How could they beat up on her for making fun of the hearing of cancer patient (during an official Council meeting)? Or being involved in a bar fight just before taking office? Or calling then Council President Cockrel “Shrek?” Or the hotel disturbance at the Democratic convention this past August (ostensibly because she wasn’t getting the “queen” treatment)? Or the illegal travel reimbursements? Or the Synagro bribery scandal? I mean – who even knows what Synagro is? And using the police force as a bunch of indentured servants, that was nothing!
    .
    So blogprof suggests that the “Liberal” media did address Ms Conyers behavior, then in the next sentence blogprof makes fun of the “liberal” media by asking how the liberal media could find outrageous behavior outrageous.
    .
    http://theblogprof.blogspot.com/2009/02/conyers-chronicles.html
    .
    The North Texas legislator probably got picked up by national wires because the Obama administration is working on immigration legislation. Immigrants were on reporters and editor radar.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Sigh, here comes the back and forth
    .
    Anyway it should be obvious to everyone that AS doesn’t read her comment threads based on the fact that the quality is still lagging miserably. This has only been a story for like 4 or 5 hours already and AS still didn’t add anything to the discussion. As Jim FL pointed out it should have been pretty easy to point out that Betty Brown was making this statement to a woman whose last name is all of two letter. And even better observation worth of a “senior editor” that its precisely the fact that many Asian immigrants DO americanize their names that hurts them when they go to vote and they have ID with their Americanized name but the voting rolls have them with their real Asian names.

  • FlownOver

    Fess up, Amy – You’re moonlighting for Olbermann’s “Worst Person” feature, aren’t you?
    .
    and mjshep re: Pfotenhauer – WIN.

  • viciousmaniac

    What’s interesting is that Gunny complained to AS in the Berlusconi Gaffe thread about reporting about the wacky Italian PM over, say, this Betty Brown character, 3 or so hours ago. And here we are.
    .
    At any rate, its stories like this that demonstrate a massive social tolerance difference across the divides of both the young and old populations of this country and politicians on the left and right.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I agree with Brown. Minnesota has a large Hmong population.
    What is the “American” version of Lee?

  • iwasindependent

    This is has voter suppression written all over it:
    1. Get an immigrant to change his/her name to “fit all time zones.”
    2. Immigrant becomes naturalized and gets citizenship.
    3. Citizen will try to vote, but wait, there seems to be a discrepancy with names. Did an ACORN volunteer register you??
    4. Citizen’s ballot becomes challenged, and likely disenfranchised.
    .
    BTW, it’s indicative that it’s a rep. from Texas (where if I’m not mistaken, many areas a trending purple/blue). The GOP is trying everything it can to prevent permanent minority status, except adapt to the 21st century. Or the 19th, whatever.
    .

  • queencersei

    What about names of Eastern Eurpoean origion? Perhaps legislator Brown should get hooked on phonics.

  • kattest123

    My comments here about this issue apply to incurious idiots like Amy Sullivan as well.

  • http://www.peterhsu.org Peter

    Ms. Brown’s ignorance aisde, this is actually an interesting question. My last name is spelled “Hsu” because it was translated from chinese under the Wade-Giles system. The correct pronunciation is roughly equal to “shoe” but thanks to the poor transliteration it’s never pronounced correctly. Were it translated under the current pinyin system it would be spelled “Xu”, which really causes people to choke. On the other hand, were it transliterated under the Yale romanization system it would be spelled “Shyu” which actually makes the most sense.
    .
    I’m opposed to trying to force people to change their last name (I’m not interested in becoming “Smith” any time soon), but there’s no reason to continually use such a poor transliteration scheme.

  • spob

    Guys, the point is, with respect to media bias, that some obscure legislator’s comments make news and the other stuff does not. Doublestandardism.

  • Cliff

    mjshep – learning to write in Chinese is a pain, though. 26 basic components plus numbers and punctuation beats 10,000 slightly different components.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Peter
    .
    I think that was the point that Ko was making when Ms Brown suggested it would be easier just to have them all change their last name to Jones.

  • spob

    Hey, here’s another liar:
    .
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/09/bush-aides-challenge-bidens-boasts-oval-office-slapdowns/
    .
    There’s Slow Joe again, making stuff up as he goes along. Someone should ask him if those meetings were seared in his memory.

  • gysgt213

    “What’s interesting is that Gunny complained to AS in the Berlusconi Gaffe thread about reporting about the wacky Italian PM over, say, this Betty Brown character, 3 or so hours ago. And here we are.”
    .
    I guess my main frustration is that Amy spends 2 days covering the boorish statements of a foreign leader like we here in American don’t have our own home grown crack pots. So what nerve to we have to talk. She also dragged GBW into it for no apparent reason.

  • spob

    Yeah gunny, shouldn’t someone be covering Biden’s BS accounts of meetings with Bush?

  • viciousmaniac

    I agree with you Gunny, I just thought it humorous that it possibly took your comment for her to get over Berlusconi (seriously, two posts largely about the same gaffe from a foreign leader) for something more relevant.

  • spob

    We could have seen a blog post on Obama’s “Austrian” comment. Isn’t that in Dan Quayle territory.

  • textee

    Ann Coulter’s latest column has dozens of better quotes, but try this one:

    -

    “So far, this year’s public multiple shootings were committed by:

    “– Former crack addict Jiverly Wong, 41, who told co-workers ‘America sucks’ yet somehow was not offered a job as a speechwriter for Barack Obama.”

  • rmrd

    spob
    .
    From the other side of the aisle it appears that the GOP gets away with framing the dialog or making stuff up all the time. While you lament a “double standard”, you have no problem with a defense budgetary increase being called a cut. In fact your cheer on the mis-characterization.
    .
    George Will is still employed by the WaPo despite deliberately taking words out of context on a study on climate change. The study’s author and the WaPo ombudsman offer corrections to a deaf Will.
    .
    William Kristol had to have three(3) corrections made on columns within weeks of his employment at the NYT, but continued to be employed. After that glorious tenure, Kristol gets picked up as a columnist by the WaPo.
    .
    Liberal Phil donahue got canned by MSNBC despite having larger audience numbers than Chris Mathews.
    .
    For every example you see of “Liberal” bias we see an example of a Conservative getting a pass. If you note, the criticism that Sullivan is receiving is complaints of not going into the heart of he story. You would prefer that stories critical of Conservatives not be posted. Anything other than praise for the wisdom pf Conservatives is “liberal bias”.
    .
    We watch in amazement as an intellectual lightweight like Glenn Beck pulls in a large audience on Fox. We watch Michelle Bachmann question the patriotism of Democratic Party members. We hear Tammy Bruce call the First Lady of the United states “trash”. We listen to your complaints of any criticism of Conservatives or the GOP, and we reject all of it.
    .
    Regarding our view of the MSM, we want accuracy. Comparing multiple scientific studies on climate change with the opinions of a meteorologist who founded the Weather Channel or the late Michael Crichton, a physician turned novelist, guy is not fair and balanced, it’s a side show. The side show is loved by Conservatives. (See Glenn Beck)

  • spob

    rmrd, I did NOT cheer that on at all. Not at all, i merely pointed out that liberals have been doing that for years (with help from MSM), and now you guys choose to get religion?
    .
    I agree with you on Will, btw. What he wrote was misleading as hell, and whether or not it was factually accurate, a clarification, at a minimum was in order.
    .
    With respect to AGW, you guys have a “consensus”, and you know what a “consensus” is–absence of proof.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla
  • spob

    Sg, did you even bother to read the linked material? Note how it talks of “Austrian German”, not Austrian. Here’s a clue, genius, no one really talks of speaking American. If we want to distinguish the brand of English that we speak in America, we say American English. Same as with Austrian German. Like I said before, SG, I don’t think you’re as dumb as some of the people in here, but you’re not as bright as you think you are. And with lame links like that, you show it.
    .
    Wow. What people will do to defend Obama. It includes making yourself look like an idiot.

  • spob

    Hey, SG, do they speak Mexican in Mexico? Do they speak Aruban in Aruban? Or how ’bout Bahamian in the Bahamas?
    .
    We do know this, they don’t speak English in What.

  • mjshep

    Cliff-

    “mjshep – learning to write in Chinese is a pain, though. 26 basic components plus numbers and punctuation beats 10,000 slightly different components.”

    Actually, there are a limited number of so-called radicals (character units), of which between 40 and 50 are in common use. Characters that are not a radical themselves such as those for “tree,” or “water,” or “fire,” are a combination of these radicals. Otherwise how cold you have, or learn to use, a Chinese dictionary?

  • http://5goodstories.com/ko-is-pretty-difficult “Ko” *is* pretty difficult.

    [...] April 9th, 2009 Chinese is a rather difficult language. That’s why Rep. Betty Brown (R), of Texas, suggests that Asians change their names to something "that’s easier for Americans to deal with." Via. [...]

  • rmrd

    spob
    .
    You just had a Glenn Beck moment
    .
    …..With respect to AGW, you guys have a “consensus”, and you know what a “consensus” is–absence of proof.
    .
    How does that not describe George Will and Michael crichton, who bend facts to support their opinion?
    .
    Climatologists pose questions
    _Is the earth’s core heating to explain warming?
    _Are the oceans getting warmer?
    _Is the sun getting hotter
    _Has the orientation of earth to the Sun changed
    _Is the Upper atmosphere changing?
    _What is the most likely explanation for the facts we have gathered?

    Will abuses facts that disagree with his opinion. Will is the one without facts. If there isn’t Conservative affirmative Action, why are Will and Kristol still writing columns?

  • shepherdwong

    I guess Rep. Brown won’t be reading my comment then.

  • shepherdwong

    “…i merely pointed out that liberals have been doing that for years (with help from MSM), and now you guys choose to get religion?”
    .
    Liberals have been doing that about COLA adjustments, which means that setting benefit increases below the rate of inflation effectively cuts benefits over time. A 4% increase in defense spending isn’t at all the same thing is it? I know that for your ilk, false equivalencies give you a reason to get up in the morning but, as usual, it’s apples vs. oranges. Golly, this is just like having children in the house again.

  • Matt

    And this punk will be a GOP Congressman within 5 years…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • somepeoplelikeit

    I’m in N. Texas right now and quite honestly, I think Ko got off easy. For the old money here, non-whites here are basically pets that can mow.
    .
    As to the lesson from Professor Spob from the False Equivalency University, well if you got the time…I guess.

  • formerlyjames

    Not to get embroiled in what has become a name calling blog, but back to Peter at 5:04, I think that is what was presented by the person appearing before the committee, from a Chineese citizens group.
    .
    The complications in translating asian names to english.
    .
    I saw a video of the exchange, and Brown’s attempt to discuss the issue was just a little clumsy, but I didn’t see any malice. When there were sighs from the audience, she immediately said that she wasn’t suggesting anybody change their name. The issue was the confusion that results in the translations.
    .
    I am not defending stupidity, of which there is an abundance in the Texas legislature, but I really think that this story is a bit overblown.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    “Rather than everyone here having to learn Chinese — I understand it’s a rather difficult language — do you think that it would behoove you and your citizens to adopt a name that we could deal with more readily here?” Brown said.
    .
    In what world would that NOT be construed as asking them to change their names?

  • formerlyjames

    sg, yes it is offensive on the face of it. But, and this will be my last word on the issue, I think (may be wrong here, just what my impression was), that she meant adopt a common translation method or system. Again, she was responding to basically what Peter described above, not what specific names should be or not be.

  • flacidcasual

    My Taiwanese colleague Bono will probably be up in arms at this disgraceful display of intolerance against his Mandarin name that he gave up when starting work at the multi-national company where we both work 20 years ago. Still the new U2 album’s pretty good, so every cloud…..

  • spob

    What’s the matter SG, cat got your tongue, or are you just upset because, once again, I pwned you.
    .
    Do they speak English in What?

  • spob

    rmrd, boy you are a dummy, aren’t you? That some of Mrs. Conyers’ idiocy and racism has received passing coverage does not mean that the media has not been biased here. I find it hilarious that some obscure North Texas legislator’s comments, which are pretty bad, get a lot of ink, but out and out racism by Conyers’ wife is pretty much ignored. Doublestandardism–it’s what for dinner.
    .
    And the doublestandardism was in full force during the campaign. KT made a big deal about a McCain commercial, but not Obama’s naked racial doublestandardism with respect to Jena.

  • spob

    sw, the increase equals cut has been around forever, and not limited to COLA, get over it. Now it’s your ox being gored. Waaaaaaaahh.

  • lisavision

    Oh my g. I love swampland. I really appreciate the intelligence of the newspeople writing it, so thought I would get a user name to leave comments that they might see. However it appears the “comments” have become a channel for venting rather then constructive debate about issues. Some of you people are too nutty for words, and digress to far that it loses all value for me.

    That said, WOW that legislator in Texas is going to be eating crow for a long time. Assuming the quote is accurate there is no back peddling on that one, nor should there be. I may think his view on this subject are idiotic, but aren’t we glad we live in America so you can verbalize whatever uneducated dribble that comes to mind and live to see the next day. It will be up to his constituency to make the decision if he is an effect leader for them or put him out to pasture next time around.

  • 53_3

    Let me ask this:
    .
    If you meet someone, after several times, and they still don’t remember your name, or speak it right, what conclusion do you come to?
    .
    Now, to solve this problem, a little empathy is needed.
    .
    I detect a bit of lazyness on the part of whatsername. Chinese names are not that hard to learn how to pronounce right. The language might by very difficult, but we’re not talking language, were talking individuals’ names.
    .
    What happened to that good ol’ Southern hospitality?
    .
    “What’s the matter SG, cat got your tongue, or are you just upset because, once again, I pwned you.”
    .
    Huh? Wha? How?
    .
    Sponge bob pwned someone?
    .
    You have got to be kidding!

  • 53_3

    Sponge bob:
    .
    You’re spluttering! People near you are getting spattered with your spittle!

  • spob

    Sorry 53_3, I am not Barney Frank. And SG got pwned on the Austrian thing. Get that right.
    .
    And the irony in here is completely lost. On the very day which Slow Joe Biden is, once again, shown to be a liar: http://sweetness-light.com/archive/rove-says-biden-is-lying-about-scolding-bush
    .
    someone in here is yapping about how it is in a republican’s nature to lie.
    .
    Lisavision, wow, your comment is interesting. I take it that you think Obama silly because of his “typical white person” comment. You know, if we’re going to call people like the North Texas legislator’s view “idiotic”, certainly, the One has some ‘splaining to do.

  • piper1

    Spongebob, in your world is there any material difference between a Congresswoman and, say, a Congressperson’s spouse in terms of the importance placed on their statements by the media? Any? Difference? At? All?
    .
    Put another way, should I care more about what Congressperson X’s unelected spouse says or about what Congressperson Y themself says?

  • rustyreturns

    53_3 Says:
    Friday, April 10, 2009 at 10:10 am
    Sponge bob:
    .
    You’re spluttering! People near you are getting spattered with your spittle!
    .
    Going senile, 53. You must be mistaking Barney the wonder boob Frank for the habitual “spitter” when he talks. But then again, I am sure Barney is a “spitter”, and habits like that are hard to break.
    .
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • spob

    First of all, piper1, what Conyers’ wife said (and Conyers’ wife is an elected pol) is far far far worse than what this State representative said. (Note, piper1 that Ms. Brown is NOT a Congressman.) Conyers’ wife’s comments were flat-out racist, and the news media barely covered it. It’s the doublestandardism that I am complaining about.
    .
    Second of all, you ignore my comment about Obama. I don’t recall a whole lot of media scrutiny over his racially problematic comments, e.g., “typical white person”, “schoolyard fight” and others.
    .
    Piper1, this is a losing battle for you. The media double standard on race is obvious and impossible to defend. It allowed Dems in 2004 to escape critical news coverage by sharing a stage with Al Sharpton. I’ll give you a very very easy f’rinstance, remember Kerry rejected the endorsement of some Indonesian lunatic because he was an anti-Semite. But Kerry accepted the endorsement of Al Sharpton, an anti-Semite. Curious how no press person bothered to ask Kerry to explain the disparity. However, didn’t McCain have to answer all kinds of questions about some reverend’s supposedly anti-Catholic comments?

  • 53_3

    “Going senile, 53″
    .
    Long on rhetoric, and very, very short on facts.
    .
    Have you noticed sponge bob, that the axes you grind are simply not very important?
    .
    No one is paying much attention to you because you just aren’t relevant. You keep trying to raise issues that are in one or more of these categories:
    .
    1. Old talking points
    2. Already disproven
    3. Not relevant
    4. Minor issues
    5. Contrafactual
    .
    So, with as much spittle as you are generating right now, sponge bob, how about try relevant stuff?

  • 53_3

    Oooch! Ouch!
    .
    I just realized, that was Rusty! They’re ganging up on me!
    .
    Help Mr. Wizard! I’m being gummed to death by elderly pit bulls!
    .
    Help! Mr. Wizard!

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    While this is basically a rhetorical question, are Republicans capable of defending themselves without relying on a Dems did it first analogy?
    .
    Spob I’m going to say to you the same thing that every parent says to their children when they try this crap — if a Dem jumped off a bridge would you do that too?

  • spob

    Dee, I will try to answer your question. I really am not saying “Nyaah, nyahh, nyaah, you guys do it too” in order to defend this, at best, inarticulate woman (i.e., giving her the benefit of the doubt). What I am arguing is that there is a double standard in place where some minor GOP politician’s words are used to paint the whole GOP in a certain way, when far worse Dem transgressions are given a free pass or short shrift.
    .
    Where was Amy Sullivan on “typical white person”? Where was Amy Sullivan on the temerity of Michelle Obama yapping about “ignorance” because college cafeterias tend to self-segregate when she exposed her children to the nasty racism of Jeremiah Wright? Answer, nowhere. And it’s funny how some minor Texas state rep is lambasted here, but Conyers’ wife not so much.
    .
    It’s the doublestandards guys.
    .
    And speaking of doublestandards, you guys may want to think about people like Cheryl Green and ask why there are marches for a bunch of thugs in Louisiana, but vicious race-based “cleansing”, which is going on in Southern California, is ignored. (By the way, remember, Barack said he wants to lead a national conversation on race, but he was curiously quiet about vicious brown on black racial violence.)

  • cfukara

    spob:
    ” .. Do they speak English in What?”

    In America? I wonder about that when a yahoo in East London asks me if I speak ‘english’. Maybe we should call ours “American” and leave the ‘english’ to the English.

    Be we can define and re-define what the words mean. After all, the Irish speak Irish , the French speak French and it may be said that the Africans speak ‘African’ – where ‘African’ is any language spoken by indigenous Africans. [Just like the term 'gaelic'?]
    Wait a minute!

    ” .. Step aside … We have a winner. ..”

    Not yet. Can it be that in a few years we will seek out Chinese names – so that our major creditor will have an easier time determining our fates.
    Have you picked out your new name yet Comrade Chou en Dong (formerly called ‘spob’)?

  • spob

    cfukara, the point is, moron, that no one calls the language they speak in Austria “Austrian” except Barack Obama, and now, the genius from Florida.

  • cfukara

    spob:
    ” .. Where was Amy Sullivan when Michelle ( turdspewing blah blah and blah) .. Answer, nowhere. “

    Perhaps you and your Limbaugh brood were doing a fine machete job on Michelle without Amy’s help.

    And when you get soft, then it is Amy’s turn:

    ” .. And it’s funny how some minor Texas state rep is lambasted here, ..”

    Do you mind? We lambaste all (including spobs) at Swampland.

  • cfukara

    ” .. that no one calls the language they speak in Austria “Austrian” ..”

    No one? Maybe. And do they ever refer to ‘gaelic’ language? Maybe rarely.
    You fail to appreciate that we define the words we use. New words are minted. And the meaning of a word may change over time and environment. Over time, a word may take on a meaning quite opposite to what it meant a few centuries prior.

    Environment? What MSM in USA would, or dare to, use the word “terrorist”, “war crimes” or “genocide” in reference to any of the actions of our USA?

    You seem to have no whimper if languages spoken in some regions in Europe are referred to as ‘gaelic’.
    Yet somehow, you seem to understand – like those you may refer to as morons – that in the context, the word “austrian” was used to refer to a/any language/dialect spoken by the natives of Austria.

    Communication accomplished. Welcome to the moron class.

  • rmrd

    spob
    .
    I think that African-American deaths are overlooked on a daily basis, as are Latino and Asian deaths due to crime.
    .
    Seen any major coverage of missing African-American women?
    .
    Oh, and Jeremiah Wright was a major issue for Obama.

  • spob

    rmrd, surely you jest . . . . Wright had to be covered, of course, but the treatment was pretty kid gloves–no real hard questions of Obama.

  • sacredh

    I don’t see the big deal. A southern republican congresswoman from north Texas can’t pronounce names. She thinks they should change their names to something she can pronounce. Is she getting kicked out of her local MENSA chapter? She’s ignornant and exercized her right to show her ignorance. The important question is…was she using a teleprompter?

  • cfukara

    spob:
    ” .. Where was Amy Sullivan when Michelle ( turdspewing blah blah and blah) .. Answer, nowhere. “

    Are you tormenting that nice little lady named Michelle? Our gentle society doesn’t like that. It is not good citizenship, see? [Not that we expect you to care about being neighborly.]

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Spongy – it be kind o’ like how all o’ ye yahoos seem t’ be havin’ yer own, ever changin’ ever shiftin’ definition o’ “socialism” – got it? Th’ word be meaningless now that ye an’ yer buddies been yammerin’ on about “socialism” this and “socialist” that, an’ conflatin’ “socialism” wi’ “fascism” an’ whatever else be strikin’ yer fancy fer th’ day, an’ blah blah blah.
    .
    Have ye nothin’ more substantive t’ flappin’ yer keys about than a wee gaffe regardin’ th’ “Austrian” language? Really – t’ keep on an’ on about somethin’ so trivial – along wi’ th’ other trivial rot ye be constantly flingin’ hopin’ somethin’ will be stickin’ – yer kind o’ not looking like ye got much goin’ on up there in yer lighthouse.
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    I be unable t’ decide whether t’ offer my sympathy fer yer unfortunate habit o’ soilin’ yerself fer th’ world t’ see, or t’ shout out a hearty “Yo ho ho – thar blows spongy again – nincompoop on deck!” I know I be usin’ nincompoop redundant-like, but it be fittin’ mate – it be fittin’.
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    An’ yer little dog rusty, too!

  • rmrd

    spob
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    Obama gave the Philadelphia speech because Jeremiah Wright was a kid glove story?
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    You are upset that voters heard the explanation about Wright, accepted it, and elected Obama. How many times did the Wright clip air?
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    I will now take a chapter from your book on whining and say that questions about Palin’s parenting were considered taboo. Even asking Palin about her reading material was considered a “gotcha” question.
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    Kubler-Ross describes your phase of mourning as denial. There had to be some external force existing to cause the GOP to be in it’s failure mode. The GOP is perfect. The GOP cannot control it’s own fate. It’s the fault of everybody else.
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    The Democratic Party fought against running a 50 state strategy. They party strategy changed. Democratic Party members benefited. Obama went national security issues despite a media that cedes defense and security issues to the GOP. But, McCain didn’t know Shia from Shine O La.
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    Take a lesson from Booker T. Washington and lift up your own bootstraps. The GOP neds to decide what it stands for and present a clear message.
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    Democrats didn’t elect an incompetent like Michael Steele, the GOP did that. The GOP had control of the Presidency, the Senate, and the House and went out of control. Don’t blame the failures of the GOP on Barney Frank or Nancy Pelosi. Americans don’t like whimps. Instead of spending time crying about the GOP’s set of circumstances or a “double standard”, stand up like respectable men and women and get on with doing what you have to do.
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    Follow the same message that the GOP gives to African-Americans on a daily and hour by hour basis. Stop your whines about the Democrats. Stop calling people who disagree with you “dummy” or “nuts”. Tell us why the Conservative approach to a given problem is better.
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    Until you can do the above, you will remain nothing more that an entertaining and not very challenging diversion on a relatively slow day. No one will take anything that you say seriously.

  • spob

    rmrd, the bottom line is that a GOP presidential candidate that attended a church where the reverend said the same things about black people as Jeremiah Wright did about whites would be savaged in the press. Absolutely savaged. There’s a double-standard. If you want to deny it, fine, but know that you’re an ideologue.
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    No one ever asked Obama the obvious question–how can we expect you to be evenhanded when it comes to race when you expose your children to this? Moreover, none of Obama’s very questionable comments were savaged like a GOP pol’s would be. C’mon. You don’t seriously debate this, do you?

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Spongy – I be thinkin’ th’ “obvious” question yer obsessin’ about were answered wi’ th’ election. It be over laddie – take th’ fine advice o’ rmrd an’ give it up an’ move on.
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    Don’t ye be gettin’ tha’ none o’ th’ crew be carin’ what ye be yammerin’ on about any more? Nobody cares about Rev. Wright or yer perverted sense o’ reverse racism. Nobody cares about bowin’ t’ a king when we just finished endurin’ an idiot who thought it were right proper to give a back rub t’ the Chancellor o’ Germany an’ kiss th’ king o’ Saudi Arabia. Yer blindness t’ yer own hypocracy be flat stunnin’. Ye be naught mor’n a clown show.
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    Crawl on back t’ th’ poop deck an’ enjoy yer sh*t taco, mate – just like yer pals kept tellin’ us t’ do fer th’ 8 long years yer morally, ethically, spiritually bankrupt lunatic party were in charge o’ the show. Yer done. Get o’er it.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Drat an’ blast it – I be in moderation! It be enough t’ make a pirate say YARR!

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    I be havin’ TWO comments in moderation!
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    An’ they be there fer hours!
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    Wait – Spongy an’ Rusty an’ Texty be havin’ their rotten tripe served right up without so much as a how-de-do, an’ I get two comments in a row in moderation? Fer hours?
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    Where be th’ justice, mateys? When a trio o’ worthless scoundrels be permitted t’ spew their vomitous slime, but a fine pirate wench such as meself ends up in th’ brig?
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    I be protestin’!!!

  • 53_3

    sponge bob:
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    You are blowing smoke, I’m afraid on the evenhandedness stuff.
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    For years, GOP pols could even align themselves with the KKK through the efforts of the CCC (Council of Conservaitve Citizens).
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    http://www.splcenter.org – do a search on ‘CCC’
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    And McCain was closely tied with such an individual and attended his church:
    http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkmjLqd9JCCQAMbQqk6B4;_ylu=X3oDMTByYWZxb2M3BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkAw–/SIG=134aiokso/EXP=1239481163/**http%3a//www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/22/mccain-rejects-hagee-endo_n_103143.html
    .
    What about O’Reilly’s “Fall of White Power” interview with McCain?
    http://digg.com/d18xVk
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    What about the Kill Him! Kill Him! Of the Palin rallies?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html
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    It’s actually a great day sponge bob. You know why? When the GOP tried to shine up it’s 30+-year effort (Southern Strategy) to attack minorities, and minority rights, people saw through it.
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    And guess what, sponge bob:
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    The most powerful man in the world right now is a Black American.
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    Get over it.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Come t’ think o’ it, P’raps it’s due t’ me moniker – plenty o’ worries regardin’ pirates these days.
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    Still, it be profilin’ a’ th’ least, an’ discrimination a’ th’ worst…probably on th’ part o’ those blasted typical white people :) .
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    ARRGH!

  • rmrd

    spob
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    Do you want reparations for the Republican Party? I think that the honorable Sen McCain threw everything including the kitchen sink at Obama. McCain defended his attacks by saying that Obama would not hold a series of town hall meetings together.
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    When the one on one debates occurred media anchors like Scarborough, Barnacle, Chris Mathews, and Bob Schieffer gave the debate win to McCain. These media gurus were surprised when polling showed that the public felt that Obama was the winner. McCain had the media in his pocket.
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    I did not think that you could defend the positions taken by the GOP, spob. Continue to complain about how unfair it is that the American public is rejecting Conservative ideas. Keep Steele in position. Keep Cantor, Jindal, Palin and Limbaugh in the GOP forefront. Watch Glenn Beck to soothe your aching soul and improve your intellect. Lose more elections.
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    Do you think Steele is believable, or that he will turn a prior statement inside out when challenged? Did you find it embarrassing for Jindal to ridicule volcano monitoring just weeks before a volcano erupted in Palin’s state? An Alaskan GOP House member did not find Jindal accurate or amusing.
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    Keep failing to address the problems within the GOP.

  • flacidcasual

    Spob, I know Austrians who refer to their dialect as “Oesterreichisch”, just as Bavarians refer to their language as “Bayrisch”. They all speak German, but from someone who knows about these things, believe me when I say that the neither the Austrians or Germans lost much sleep about that minor mis-speak from POTUS. W’s gaffes were covered so widely because they were funny: “The French don’t have a word for Entrepreneur”.

    Obviously there’s a liberal bias in some publications, just as conservatives rule other media. Are you going to start tearing down O’Reilly for not offering balanced coverage in his show? We all hear what we want to hear, if only we’d listen more.

  • northleft12

    I agree with lisavision regarding the quality of the commenting. It is not just on Swampland but on most sites, that the commentary quickly degrades into name calling and unrelated partisan attacks. I am a Canadian, and I find the Globe and mail comments to be just as bad as what you read here. Just slightly more polite.

  • spob

    Just amazing–53_3, because you cannot address my points, you accuse me of having an issue with Obama’s race. Standard lib tactic. I don’t listen to O’Reilly (I killed enough brain cells in my youth.)
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    flacid, Quayle got nailed for saying things just as stupid, and all I’m saying is that there is MSM bias , , ,,

  • 53_3

    sponge bob:
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    Show me where in there I accused you of anything other than not being ‘evenhanded’.
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    You whine about a couple questionable incidents, I show you a deep seated pattern of behavior.
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    No equivalence here.
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    And of course you don’t listen to O’Reilly, or Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh, or Sean Hannity!
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    Hell, sponge bob! I know! You aren’t even a Republican!
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    I’m just being ‘divisive’!
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    Keep ‘shooting from the hip’, sponge bob. As for race issues, you opened the debate, and got pwned by me for about the sixth time.
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    Facts vs. Rhetoric. Which wins in debate, sponge bob?

  • 53_3

    northeleft:
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    I’ve noted that right wing sites almost without exception are much more orderly.
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    They are heavily moderated, glass house atmoshperes in which only one point of view is permitted – theirs.
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    You are welcome to look for ‘quality’ commenting there…

  • 53_3

    I should restate one thing:
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    I said it was me that pwned you, sponge bob, but in reality, I simply cannot take the credit for that – I withdraw the claim!
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    rmrd has been doing a far more artful job of it than I am, and over the pas few days, has pwned you more than once…

  • rmrd

    spob says…………I killed enough brain cells in my youth.
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    That explains a great deal. Did the same thing happen to Joe the Plumber and Glenn Beck?
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    Sorry, northleft, it was too easy an opening.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    I be thinkin’ since yesterday, we DO be moderated here, an’ apparently it be only pirate comments tha’ be considered inappropriate fer this fine, high-brow blog!
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    YARR!

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    …Since it be me own comments tha’ STILL haven’t made it past the MPs an’ into th’ fray after more’n a day o’ sittin’ it out in th’ brig…

  • georgiac

    Several of you seem dissatisfied with the quality and tone of Ms. Sullivan’s posts–I wonder why you bother to read them?

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