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If Bush doesn’t kick himself…can we?

Possibly the best post ever by Bible Girl.
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“berlusconi” is Italian for “brownie.”

Amy, you are an idiot. Such a comment is beneath contempt. You ought to be fired on the spot.

FT: Are you hitting on Amy? The way you’re piling on the praise, does Mrs. Tuck suspect?

Great post Amy. Say something nasty about Cheney and I’ll set the trick or treaters free.

Unbelievable. Anything, and I mean anything, that Amy writes is now tainted. Good job, Amy, trashing your rep as a journalist.

spob ye brainless lubber, what be ye talkin’ about??? After all th’ slimy venom ye been spittin’ regardin’ President Obama, a wee reference t’ yer hero’s wreck o’ a response t’ Katrina be contemptible? Be ye honestly believin’ Bush had a right ship-shape dandy response t’ th’ hurricane?
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Ye been raidin’ th’ rum rations again, mate!

Amy, you are an idiot
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anything that Amy writes is now tainted
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Amy – do you mind if I call you Amy? – you’ve gone and done it this time. Don’t you know that disagreeing with spob about anything is proof of stupidity and treason?

pirate wench, are you an idiot as well? The issue, which may escape you, is not whether Bush (as opposed to Nagin and Blanco) screwed the pooch on Katrina, but whether he was indifferent to the suffering of those made homeless by Katrina. And that is a nasty nasty thing to say and is totally without any basis.
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And with respect to “slimy venom”, you name one thing I have said about Obama isn’t a legitimate comment on positions he’s taken or statements he’s made. Name one.
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Did you get dropped on your head as a child?

For a journalist to write such a thing is ridiculous. There is no evidence whatsoever that Bush would have mocked the suffering of those made homeless by Katrina.

After witnessing Obama’s world wind tour, how many Italians do you think want to trade leaders right about now?

Pirate wench. Cover yourself with hot butter and carry lemon juice just in case there’s a spobster loose!

@sacredh – sorry, I lost your comment in the spob.
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Hitting on Amy would be proof of . . . hmm. That’s a toughie. Something too depressing to even to contemplate, I guess. Serious trouble with my fantasy life, at the very least.

OOOh, God, He’s vengeful!

Let’s not forget George W. Bush’s mother’s famous comment upon touring the Astrodome in Houston, home to many Katrina refugees, that “so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this, this is working very well for them.”

The intellectual dishonesty and stupidity here is unbelievable.

Don’t be too hard on yourself spob. We all get carried away.

The intellectual dishonesty and stupidity here is unbelievable.

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Oh, so it’s our fault?

Actually spob, you are the idiot:
http://www.levees.org/
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_W._Bush:_Hurricane_Katrina
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Also, Bush cancelled the ACE Levee Modernization Project:
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=hurricane_katrina_3015#hurricane_katrina_3015
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Also, Bush installed, as policy the practice not disclosing destinations of those boarding evacuation buses.

1000 Words:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/Bush-guitar.jpg

“The intellectual dishonesty and stupidity here is unbelievable.”
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http://www.latimes.com/chi-gretna_wittsep04,1,4570137.story
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This event was where the Gretna Police blocked the only evacuation route.

spob!
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Stand to. I’m going to take you down…

Sorry, guys.
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Spob has hit a nerve with me. I’m taking him down.

53-spob is so hilariously over the top it HAS to be a parody. Has anyone ever seen SG and spob in the same room?

“And that is a nasty nasty thing to say and is totally without any basis.”
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It is absolutely justifiable.

And Bush was blocking escape routes, ok gotcha, moonbat . . . .

I don’t know, but I guess I should cool down. I get urinated when I see these GOPers try to sell their take on Katrina.
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While Blanco didn’t help much, and Nagin didn’t plan well, the primary responsibility for the Katrina debacle lies with the GOP and the Bush Administration.
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The predictions? They cut the funds. The 3 am phone call? They waited FIVE days. They had 50 bases from which to send supplies and provide logistics.
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A president and a party cannot portray this as anything other than wanton neglect. It took two days for the US to respond to the Sumatra Megaquake and tsunami – and that, my freinds, is 12,000 miles farther away than New Orleans!

Um no. Bush was playing a guitar with Mark Wills and eating Cake with John McCain.
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Never let a natural disaster interupt a schedule of Photo-ops.

“And Bush was blocking escape routes, ok gotcha, moonb…”
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Nope. Just high income white Americans working in a vaccuum, which existed because of GOP wanton neglect.
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BTW, I remember that none other than Turdblossom himself was put in charge after brownie was dismissed.
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I wonder why…

c’mon spob.
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Let’s dance. I really would love this one…
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You thought you got beat in the global warming debate, lets see some facts on the ground you incompetent, ignorant jackass!

http://www.thismodernworld.com/2733

I can even address the issue of post-Katrina moves by the administratin that effectively froze the Black diaspora from returning.
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That was the policy establishing a special economic zone around NO allowing the paying of subminimum wages.
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The workers who came to do the work effectively prevented those who previously lived there from returning because they could not get jobs rebuilding the city. They were all taken by outsiders.
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The economic zone was later cancelled, however, the only effect was that the workers currently there got fairer wages, still leaving the Black diaspora a means to support itself on it’s return home.

spob, you are comedy gold.

Wow. Have I died and gone to DailyKos hell?

PD:
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He was playing guitar. Loved it! Thanks.
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BTW, Bush also, while Black Americans were being shipped to who knows where (they weren’t told till they boarded their buses), made a promise to Trent Lott, upstate, that his dog would be safe!

Have I died and gone to DailyKos hell?
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No, you’ve just smacked into a wall of inconvenient information.

No, spob. But when you get some facts, you are more than welcome to back into this buzzsaw again.
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Let’s see spob, I’ve posted no less than five reliable links, some to an exhaustive library of information on Kartina, and what have you supplied?
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“…moonbat…”
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“…Daily Kos hell…”
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Let’s not bother to keep score spob…

I think I’ve done my duty here…

Leave spob alooooooooooooooooone!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s just trying to entertain you ungratefuls.

PNNTO
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You were wrong for that one! LOL I am here all the time. Trolls come and go.

But he’s a meanie, gysgt213!

Reality has a well known liberal bias spob. Check the links and you’ll understand Ms. Sullivan’s post. Or don’t check the links and keep going with your gut.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Hurricane_Katrina

Remember. On Aug 29th – McCain Birthday
Aug 30th – Guitar
August 31 – First overflight

HA! Spob kicked all your a@@@s again.

Rove as Katrina “Reconstruction Czar”. What a laugh:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Karl_Rove:_Hurricane_Katrina_Reconstruction_%22Czar%22
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I know what he really was there for. He isn’t nicknamed ‘Turdblossom’ for totally random reasons, now…

Facts simply cannot stand by themselves in spobs’ presence. Reality becomes imaginary and the imaginary becomes reality…

Of course, no one mentions that the reason why all those people had to stay confined to the Superdome was that the Gretna police force blocked that escape route.
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Now, I remembering their reasons, but they could have just blocked side streets and let those poor souls pass, but naw…

Amy, God just told me to tell you that even a broken clock is right twice a day. I’ll check back with you in 12 hours.

Awright, sorry guys. Had to do it.
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See you later.
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Spob!
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Remember:
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Thump-thump Thump-thump

Tiresome, tiresome. The blogpost implies that Bush was indifferent to the suffering of those made homeless by Hurricane Katrina and makes that implication by stating that Bush had wished he could have said something along the lines of “Let them eat cake”. And then we get a rehash of Katrina. Now I am not going to get into that rehash–I don’t have the time nor the inclination to get into the issue. Suffice it to say that Bush isn’t the one that allowed schoolbuses to be swamped, nor is he the one who had such a joke of an evacuation plan. We live in a federal system, and a system where localities have significant control over things like disaster planning etc. Could Bush have done better, clearly. But so could a lot of people. Particularly Nagin and Blanco. I mean really, compare Nagin to the mayor of Fargo.
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In any event, the suggestion, by a professional journalist that Bush was indifferent to the suffering is just wrong and meanspirited. Time Magazine is not The Nation. Amy Sullivan wouldn’t dare question Obama’s racial evenhandedness even though there is ample evidence to suggest that he’s not evenhanded on that issue. But she’ll take an unprincipled dig at Bush for indifference to suffering of Americans? What gives?
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Doublestandardism.

Amy:
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Before I go, I have to say that mostly, GOP surrogates after the Katrina debacle said at least that much and much, much worse.
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How else do you suppose that the Republicans have managed to keep their supposed innocence in the face of all these facts?
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Remember now, Karl Rove is no longer with us, politically…

spob Says:
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 at 2:23 pm
“The intellectual dishonesty and stupidity here is unbelievable.”
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Oh but spob, say one little trite thing about Barack THE INSANE Obama and they are on you like a pack of starving wolves ready to eat their last meal.
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It is actually called respect. I know I gave Obama and Wright a bunch of crap when he was a candidate, but I have not said one disparaging word about the man other than he is totally incompetent, inexperienced, and does not have a clue as to how to get us out of our current economic crisis. But, the blind faith his Obamabots have in him, they will follow him over the cliff.
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So do not fret about their 3rd grade name calling, even to a former President. The liberals in this country have absolutely no respect for anything with the exception of their own selfish selves.
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For Amy Sullivan, I do hope to see a comment that this is just political sarcasm or as others like to cover themselves, “its just political satire”.
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How about it Amy, do you have a comment???

Ignoring the whole spob is an idiot thing. Amy thanks for the Wednesday laugh

Wow, spob, way to go.
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“And then we get a rehash of Katrina. Now I am not going to get into that rehash–I don’t have the time nor the inclination to get into the issue.”
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The facts, spob, demonstrate wanton indifference on the part of the GOP and the Bush Administration. Of course you don’t want to get into a “rehash”, after all, they’re just facts.
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Typical spob.
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Hey spob! Did you know that Obama’s middle name is Hussein? Maybe you could go after that one…

Ok, gone.
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Spob and rusty are safe now…

Silvio Berlusconi probably isn’t indifferent to suffering either. He just said something severly boneheaded. Bush posed for pictures playing a guitar at a Naval base while the floodwaters were rising. Boneheaded.
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Save us your crocodile tear outrage spob. You’re moral compass is in severe need of recalibrating anyway.

Hey spob! Did you know that Obama’s middle name is Hussein? Maybe you could go after that one…
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I already did!!! And, I am glad that Obama has finally man-upped as they say and acknowledged his Muslim heritage instead of hiding it under the rug like he did in the election.
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Liars, cheats and total scum usually find a way to hide from the public things if known by the public would cause said public to never vote for them in the first place. But, politicians are politicians and I guess that is the game they play.

Oh and one last thing, I do hope the “High Sheriffs” as I have seen them called on here are definately reading this blog and all of the comments today. That way when the calls go out for me to be “banned”, I can always bring this little tiddy bit up for them to re-read.
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Ya’ll have a great day!!

I don’t have the time nor the inclination to get into the issue.

So sayeth all who have been pwned.

spob/rustyreturns/elle woods: Post a link that demonstates that Bush (not a surrogate) ever displayed concern about Katrina. I’ll read it I promise.
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Incompetent?
Warner Huntington III: You got into Harvard Law?
Elle: What? Like, it’s hard?

I see that Rusty has escaped from the zoo, and is, as usual, wandering about looking confused and periodically trying to communicate in English. Poor old SPOB is still a drooling idiot, and the Elle Woods troll is slightly less convincing than a three dollar bill. In sum, nothing changes for the Republican rabble. As a great man almost said: Freedom is just another word, for those who have no braincells left to lose.

spob:

Accusations of double standards are totally laughable coming from wingnuts like yourself and rusty, since you only seem to see bogey men in the closet that might be there rather than the one that stood over your bed for the last 8 years.

When did you ever express concern over Bush and Cheney’s dismantling of the Constitution?

When did you ever express concern over warrantless wiretapping?

When did you ever worry that painting those who disagree as unpatriotic might be the first step on a slippery slope to an authoritarian regime?

Until you can come up with evidence that you stood up for the very values this country was built on, just shut your pie hole.

“I don’t have the time nor the inclination to get into the issue.”
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spob cleverly plays on an infamous Joe Klein line. spob is parody, no doubt.
And SG’s denial was frankly unconvincing.

themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush Says:
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 at 3:49 pm
“I see that Rusty has escaped from the zoo, and is, as usual, wandering about looking confused and periodically trying to communicate in English. Poor old SPOB is still a drooling idiot, and the Elle Woods troll is slightly less convincing than a three dollar bill. In sum, nothing changes for the Republican rabble. As a great man almost said: Freedom is just another word, for those who have no braincells left to lose.”
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And, I will add, Bush kept your little limey a$$ safe in your “bed” for over 8 years. Did we get attacked by terrorists again during the Bush Admin leasuresuitlarry?
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No, we didn’t. Enough said.
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Now you can hold your breath for the next 4 years and pray your butt off to Allah or whomever your worship for a God, if you do, and hope that Obama has the cajones to keep us safe. My bet is we get attacked. And, yes when it does happen, and I believe it will, I will say I told you so!!

PNNTO
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;0 I am shocked, shocked I tell ya. Besides you know there would be a LOT more cuss words if I was undercover trolling.

larryblankenship Says:
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 at 3:49 pm
spob:

Accusations of double standards are totally laughable coming from wingnuts like yourself and rusty, since you only seem to see bogey men in the closet that might be there rather than the one that stood over your bed for the last 8 years.

When did you ever express concern over Bush and Cheney’s dismantling of the Constitution? PLEASE CITE YOUR FACTS THAT BUSH CHENEY HAS “DISMANTLED” ANYTHING?

When did you ever express concern over warrantless wiretapping? I WAS VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE WIRE-TAPPING AND I STILL AM. JUST THE SAME AS BARACK OBAMA ALSO NOW BELIEVES THE SAME THING.

When did you ever worry that painting those who disagree as unpatriotic might be the first step on a slippery slope to an authoritarian regime? ALL DEMOCRATS FOR THE MOST PART ARE UNPATRIOTIC, THE BRUSH NEEDED TO ‘PAINT’ THEM ALL WOULD NEVER BE BIG ENOUGH.

Until you can come up with evidence that you stood up for the very values this country was built on, just shut your pie hole.

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And, I will add, Bush kept your little limey a$$ safe in your “bed” for over 8 years. Did we get attacked by terrorists again during the Bush Admin leasuresuitlarry?
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No, we didn’t. Enough said.
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Now you can hold your breath for the next 4 years and pray your butt off to Allah or whomever your worship for a God, if you do, and hope that Obama has the cajones to keep us safe. My bet is we get attacked. And, yes when it does happen, and I believe it will, I will say I told you so!!

“Did we get attacked by terrorists *again* during the Bush Admin leasuresuitlarry?”
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That’s the ballsiest move the republicans make- “Can get a Mulligan?”
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And by the way, the answer is yes we did.

I doubt sg or any of the rational beings here could conjure up the level of sheer bat-$#it craziness required to post as either spob or rusty. As one professor told his class after writing a particularly bad essay as an example: “I had to work incredibly hard to do this, what puzzles me is that you all seem to do it with no effort at all.”

Ahh SG, therein lies the rub- you KNOW that we would expect the swears and so in your spob voice you go with semi earnest name calling.
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I didn’t say you weren’t good at this SG.

Wow Paul, when did we get attacked? Oh let me guess, yes the liberal writers of the books that are taught in our schools are now going to “re-write” history to the liberal agenda to brainwash our children that we did get attacked after 9/11, when in fact nothing of the sort occurred.
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I suppose it is easy when the entire NEA is in bed with the far left liberal extremists and have our children 7 or so hours a day they can and do brainwash the innocent children.
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“My Two Mommies” anyone???

PNNTO
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Well one this is for certain, I would NEVER talk to Dee like that. Maybe the rest a you bums but not her so that should be enough evidence. Silly libs.
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Ooops lol

Paul, does the new liberal book you are writing about the US of A being attacked again, also include all of the liberal bull-crap that Ward Churchill says the whole 9/11 incident was a Government “conspiracy”??
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Oh let me guess, maybe it will be in the new Jeremiah Wright video where he claims that the US Government gave LSD and other drugs to all of the black soldiers. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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OH wait..wait..(laughing here).maybe it is another docu-drama filmed and directed by Michael Moore, Fahrenheit 9/11 Part Deux!!

Rusty as a Physician, not mention a Viet Nam Vet with friends and family serving in Iraq, I would have thought you would recall the anthrax attacks.
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Heck biological weapons are why we invaded, no?

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=111-h20090304-58
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Mr. Speaker, this week, I reintroduced the Anthrax Attacks Investigation Act, H.R. 1248. Since the attacks occurred, I have pressed for a full investigation into this insidious biowarfare attack on our country.

SG I wanted The Physician (that’s like his wrassling name) to laugh at the idea some more.

Rusty:
That’s the best you can come up with? Leisure Suit Larry? ROFLMAO! That is the forum equivelant of “Oh yeah?”
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Protection against cruel and unusual punishment for one..”but it’s okay, they were just terrorists.” I hear you reposte…makes not one bit of bleeping difference. We don’t torture, period. Cheney and Bush approved it, Cheney continues to defend it.
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All Democrats are unpatriotic….Hmmm sounds like you’d be okay with one party rule then..huh? Sounds like you might be either a fascist or a communist using that logic. Is that what you’re saying? Under what circumstances would you be okay with having someone disagree with you that had actual power to implement? Or are you only okay with disagreements when those expressing alternate points of view are powerless to stop those you agree with.
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As far as getting attacked, you can’t prove a negative, you shumbdit.
Just because there were no attacks doesn’t mean that Bush had any actual involvement in preventing them.
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That is somewhat akin to this old joke:
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Why do elephants paint their toenails red?
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To hide in apple trees.
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Have you ever seen an elephant in an apple tree?
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No.
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See? It works!
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OT, the Leisure Suit Larry series was by far the funniest set of adventure games released by Sierra during the 90s. Picked up a collection on ebay last year and it was an absolute hoot!

In freeperworld the antrax attacks don’t exist. And people who shoot up classrooms can’t be terrorists. And besides I drive to work by a different route each morning. It’s been remarkably effective at preventing terrorist attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks
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The Beltway sniper attacks took place during three weeks in October 2002 in Washington, D.C. (the target), Maryland, and Virginia. Eleven people were killed and three others critically injured in various locations throughout the Washington Metropolitan Area and along Interstate 95 in Virginia. It was widely speculated that a single sniper was using the Capital Beltway for travel, possibly in a white van or truck. It was later learned that the rampage was perpetrated by one man, John Allen Muhammad and one minor Lee Boyd Malvo, driving a blue 1990 Chevrolet Caprice sedan, and had apparently begun the month before with murders and robbery in Louisiana and Alabama, which had resulted in three deaths.[1]

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Fear, targets outdoors

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During the weeks that the attacks occurred, fear of the apparently random shootings generated a great deal of public apprehension, especially at gas stations and the parking lots of large stores. People pumping gas at gas stations would walk around their cars quickly, hoping that they would be a harder target to hit. Some gas stations put up tarps around the awnings over the gas pumps so people would feel safer. Also, many people would attempt to fill their gas at the Naval Base of the National Naval Medical Center, as they felt it was safer inside the guarded fence.
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After the specific threat against children was delivered, many school groups curtailed field trips and outdoors athletic activities based upon safety concerns. At the height of the public fear, some school districts, such as Henrico after the Ponderosa shooting, simply closed school for the day. Extra police officers were placed in schools because of this fear. In addition to this, Joel Schumacher’s film Phone Booth was deemed potentially upsetting enough that its release was delayed for months, although it bore little resemblance to the shootings beyond the villain being a sniper. Reportedly, when news of a sniper attack made the nightly news, people that had been “hiding” in their homes would make a large exodus to their local gas station, which they had been avoiding as long as possible in order to not be a target.

PNNTO:
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“Heck biological weapons are why we invaded, no?”
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Was that reason #1 or #2. I forgot. Wasn’t it that Blair helped Bush with the contention that Saddam could hit the US “in 45 minutes” or something like that.
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Help me here! They had so many excuses for attacking Iraq I forgot the order in which they served ‘em up.

And now, Amy Sullivan, you have your very own 80-comment thread.
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You must be so proud.
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(sniff)(eyes moisten)
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So proud of
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. . . ah, da heck wid it. I’m putting more energy into this than she is.

Is this her first 80-comment thread?
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Damn, Friar, now it’s an 81-comment thread!

SG — I was thinking the exact same thing. Clearly you can’t be spob. Besides how could any us here really put on a spob suit for more than a minute and a half without immediately wanting to shower?

All Democrats are unpatriotic….Hmmm sounds like you’d be okay with one party rule then..huh? Sounds like you might be either a fascist or a communist using that logic.
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I guess this one time I will respond once more to the little liberal-tard.
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No, I do believe in a two party system. What I also believe is that most all liberals are un-patriotic. You only have your Hollywood and San Francisco “elitists” to back it all up! Arugula anyone???
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This statement is no different than when Obama called all the “Rednecks” in Western Pennsylvania “bible thumpin, gun lovin, Appalacian” Rednecks, right? Oh but wait, I cannot point out the man is BLACK for God’s sake. NO NO NO. “Don’t call the man what he is…” We have to hide that FACT. “Don’t call him a Muslim during the election!! NO NO NO”.
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What do we have now? Oh we have a Rodney King, “let’s all get along now, ok”? Or this little goody just the other day, “The American people are arrogant, divisive and derisive”. Well now, is that how you ingratiate your new citizenry? I think not!
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NO NO NO…. GOD DAMN AMERICA!!! So says Jeremiah Wright and Barack Obama!!

. . . and Racist Rusty takes another solo, right on cue. Is the Sleeping White Giant snoring more loudly than usual this afternoon, Dr. Strangelove?

53 all I know is that we don’t want that vile Powell oops I mean that vial that Powell held up to be a mushroom cloud.
I may have that mixed up though.

OT, but interesting
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/04/showdown_at_hsgac.asp

PD:
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It is pretty difficult to sort GOP rhetoric into lies, little white lies, damn lies, outright lies, stretching the truth, propaganda, spin, and or “perspective”, isn’t it?
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Let alone, try to figure out just which order they presented them in…

I forgot one category:
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Pure fantasy

“The issue, which may escape you, is not whether Bush (as opposed to Nagin and Blanco) screwed the pooch on Katrina, but whether he was indifferent to the suffering of those made homeless by Katrina. And that is a nasty nasty thing to say and is totally without any basis…There is no evidence whatsoever that Bush would have mocked the suffering of those made homeless by Katrina.”
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Really?

In the week before [Karla Faye Tucker's] execution, Bush says, Bianca Jagger and a number of other protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Tucker. “Did you meet with any of them?” I ask.
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Bush whips around and stares at me. “No, I didn’t meet with any of them,” he snaps, as though I’ve just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. “I didn’t meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with [Tucker], though. He asked her real difficult questions, like ‘What would you say to Governor Bush?’ ”
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“What was her answer?” I wonder.
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“Please,” Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, “don’t kill me.”

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Bush is a psychopath. He doesn’t have sympathy (as we experience it) for anyone but himself. I wouldn’t be very surprised if Berlusconi were one as well. They tend to be highly overrepresented among titans of industry.

Poor old rusty, still playing the Loony Tunes, eh? You forgot that while Clinton kept us safe,Bush and Cheney screwed up totally, and that’s why 9/11 happened. Bush is the only President in history to fall asleep at the wheel and as a result 3000 of our countrymen died. Ram that fact up your lazy, illiterate ass and swivel on it.

I know I shouldn’t but that weekly Standard link reminded me of the strange taboo that suggests that once someone has served in a war zone, it is no longer permissible to discuss whether that aids or hinders their judgment. It’s one of the myriad examples of how our political discussions include magical thinking.

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/07/02/finding_the_trees_in_the_clark/
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http://phd9.blogspot.com/2008/07/responding-a-michael-schere-post.html
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PD- that Bai NYT Mag story at the bottom of MS’s post touches on your response.

Bush kept you safe for 8 years.
lol?
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Using that logic, Bill Clinton kept us more safe than Bush ever did considering, you know, 9/11 happened on Bush’s watch. Over a year into his presidency, I may add. Not that 9/11 has anything to do with Bush’s personal failure to do anything constructive during the first five days of the Katrina disaster.

themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush Says:
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Poor old rusty, still playing the Loony Tunes, eh? You forgot that while Clinton kept us safe,Bush and Cheney screwed up totally, and that’s why 9/11 happened.
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basil basil, you know that it was Clinton who had the chance to wipe Osama Bin Laden off the map but didn’t have the balls to go after him. Then he white washed it over, burying the information while he was getting sexual favors from Monica Lewinsky in the Oval office.
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Trying to again, re-write history like Ward Churchhill types in our Universities is not going to cut it bucko.
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Facts are facts!

basil basil, you know that it was Clinton who had the chance to wipe Osama Bin Laden off the map but didn’t have the balls to go after him.
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Hmm… chance to take out Osama Bin Laden and then doesn’t. Where have I heard that before? Oh, right. That’s Bush in Afghanistan.

“Clinton who had the chance to wipe Osama Bin Laden off the map but didn’t have the balls to go after him.”
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Speaking of rewriting history, Clinton was the only president to go after bin Laden, while Republicans howled “Wag the Dog” to try to keep the focus on consensual blowjobs and stained dresses, both embarrassing the nation and distracting us from the real threats. In contrast, I believe that Bush blew off warnings “bin Laden Determined to Strike US” so he could go back clearin’ brush. Facts are facts!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958/
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1440359/Clinton-missed-chance-to-get-rid-of-bin-Laden.htmlM
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http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/04/clinton-missed-chance-to-get-b.php
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“NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government. It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity”.
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I rest my case. Where is your proof, shepherdWONG, not right?

You know what I’ve noticed?
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Rusty and them never have anything new to add.
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When they try to put down Obama, they keep fishing in the same rhetorical lake they fished in before the election, and came up dry. Wright and Ayers? Old, old stuff, and only dittoheads still lap that up.
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If that doesn’t work, they always try to pretend the last eight years didn’t happen and shift all blame to Bill Clinton.
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If that doesn’t work, they claim the exchange is a ‘rehash’ or ‘digging up the past’ or some other lame excuse for avoiding a fact-to-fact confrontation.
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And, if that doesn’t work, that is when they fall back on the ‘I never listent to him’ or ‘I’m not a Republican’ gambit.
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I think, next time, just for the heck of it, I might just see if I cant beat one of the right wing commenters to their own words!

Liberals as usual love to spew out hyperbole without any facts to back anything they say up. They just go out and create mythical docu-dramas like Michael Moore and Ward Churchill et al to feebly attempt to re-write history.
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Obama said he was going to go after Osama Bin Laden, “track him to the very cave he lives in”…. blah blah blah.
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The only think Obama is gonna hunt down is his next big tele-prompter speech spewing out more garbaged rhetoric, putting down the American people to justify his “transnational” agenda. Obama only wants to destroy this country, and he has already put a major dent into what we have now.
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I want proof that he is a citizen of the United States of America and he has the right to be President. THAT FACT has YET to be proven. Where is the man’s birth certificate??? Answer me that!
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I also question Obama and his Muslim ties. We have been fighting the Muslims since 1805, when President Thomas Jefferson order the Marines to Tripoli to fight against the Muslim Pirates off the coast of what is now called Libya.
“Tripoli 1805 – Marines assemble a fleet to Derna, Tripoli to put down Barbary Coast pirates (Muslims) taking a toll on American merchant ships in the Mediterranean. Lieutenant Presley O’Bannon and his Marines marched across 600 miles of North Africa’s Libyan Desert to successfully storm the fortified tripolitan City of Derna. Marines today sing about the victory in the second line of their hymn: ‘to the shores of Tripoli.’ The Marine Corps officer sword, adopted in 1826 and used today, is modeled after the Mameluke scimitar given to O’Bannon in appreciation.”
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Now we have more Muslim pirates taking over ships, our ships just off the horn of Africa. What is Obama doing? He’s playing nicey nicey with the Muslims in Turkey. Sucking up so he can look like the big man on foreign politics. When in fact he should be sending the Marines back to fight the muslim pirates in Somalia. But oh no, that would not be a good thing to do. He might kill off one of his cousins from Kenya now pirating off the coast of Somalia with his Somalian muslim brothers.
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Yes libtards you all have it right. Pull out your fiddles and go at it while Rome burns on Nero’s watch.

“Liberals as usual love to spew out hyperbole without any facts to back anything they say up.”
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Liberals call that “Projection”. Look it up.

And here’s some “proof”, as if facts matter at all to right-wing crazies:

http://books.google.com/books?id=ToYxFL5wmBIC&pg=RA2-PA412&lpg=RA2-PA412&dq=clinton+missile+strike+bin+laden+wag+the+dog&source=bl&ots=CAtC2F3If6&sig=A_HP9RMifjgYTVJLWyojASWdW6M&hl=en&ei=ACHdSbKHJM3VlQeK3f37DQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3

” I want proof that he is a citizen of the United States of America and he has the right to be President.”
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BHO was sworn in as President.
You must be a citizen to be President.
So logically he is a citizen.
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Just like in 8 years when he is sworn in for the start of his 3rd term it will be self evidently Constitutional.

The Barbary Wars had nothing to do with Islam. It was piracy. End of story. Every nation on this Earth has engaged in piracy at some point. Are you going to tell me now that only Muslims are pirates?
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As for his birth certificate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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You’re an idiot. You see what you want to see.

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C’mon Rustyreturns @5:48 is that best you have?
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Three links. The first link is a story from a legitimate news organization wondering why Clinton didn’t drop a bomb on an unidentified man who might have been bin Laden. The second link doesn’t work. The third link is an anonymous post (just like this one).

http://media.www.ntdaily.com/media/storage/paper877/news/2005/08/31/Views/Cia-Missed.Chance.With.Bin.Laden.Lladen-1893948.shtml
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http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/secrethistory/timeline4.html
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Here are a couple more Deggjr. I like this statement in the second post I put on here, it says..

“It is a reminder that this is a very, very difficult thing to do. As people correctly said, there is a limited effectiveness to this particular tactic in dealing with this kind of problem. Cruise missiles are not well designed to deal with this kind of threat.”
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In fact, Clinton could have sent in the SEALS or Rangers to do a manned operation, but he didn’t have as I said previously the “balls” to do it. He cowered to the far left liberals, and lost the best chance, the opportunity of surprise.
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Clinton at the time had all the intel needed to know that Bin Laden was going to hit American with “some” type of strike, but didn’t follow through. He simply lobbed a few cruise missiles at a supposed location of Bin Laden. Another example of a Democrat President who failed to do what he should have done. Jimmy Carter before him, failed to stop the Iranians from holding our American citizens hostage.
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Now my question is, will Obama fall cowardly down to his knees as his Democrat predecessors have done before him? My bet is he will and many American lives will be lost from his inexperience, his inability to take the necessary action and his love for his Muslim brothers and sisters.

And if you can’t pull up more, simply Google it Deggjr. I simply put in “Clinton missed chance with Osama bin Laden”. I got hundreds and hundreds more where these came from. And, from “legitimate” sources.

rusty, spob et all are clearly right wing subscribers, but I question their claims of military experience because they tend to glorify combat in a way that is unfamiliar to most vets I know. I’ve never heard any member of this country’s military refer to civilians they’ve sworn to protect, or the commander and chief in a similar manner. these people sound more like the militia wannabees who read Tom Clancy novels and think that makes them able to identify with the soldiers experience.

” simply Google it Deggjr. I simply”
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Repeating words and phrases is something I’ve noticed with the republicans lately.
http://www.helpguide.org/elder/picks_disease.htm
Pick’s Disease?

Shaddup Dee and go back under the rock in your commie commune and hope for the day Obama brings Socialism to America like you always have wished.

Sorry Rusty — but you are the one who should shut up because you are the one whose a poser. the closest you’ve come to military service is GI Joe and yes I mean playing with dolls.

Paul-no not that one Says:
Wednesday, April 8, 2009 at 7:29 pm
” simply Google it Deggjr. I simply”
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Repeating words and phrases is something I’ve noticed with the
Democrats lately…
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1343990/word-salad
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Enjoy P-nut that one

Dee did you know that Barack’s mother was a commie too? Back in the day that is…
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http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmM2NDQ3ZWQ1YWM0Y2QyZTUxMDdkY2M2OTJlNGE5MWE=
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I guess birds of a feather, FLOCK together!

What rusty lacks is reputable sources.
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Of course, he can link to a few hundred links, all from FOX, but then again, I can link to some alien abduction afficionados’ websites too.
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Doesn’t make it true*.
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*A word no Republican understands

Physician, your long self documented obsession with a certain group has guaranteed that I would never click one of your links.
You are a bit too creepy.

Rusty, you know what?
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It might be a good idea if you left the country right now!
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There’s commies and pinkos and gays and lesbians and minorities and Francophiles and libruls all headed in your direction.
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Some of ‘em are even under your bed! Better wake up that Sleeping White Giant!
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RUN LIKE HELL AFORE THEY GIT YA!

Well, when the wingers are right, they’re right. Clinton made it a priority and went after bin Laden and missed. Bush was warned and still did absolutely nothing except read My Pet Goat and flee from danger after we were finally attacked. Maybe that should be “fly from danger”.

Rusty:
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Dr. Wendt called me and wanted me to tell you you need to increase the Risperdal dose from 6 to 9 mg.
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Also, he said that they hadn’t heard from you the last two months and they need to take a blood level.
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Just wanted to let you know.

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53_3:
I feel sorry for crack-babies like you and Obama, so I will let that slide.

Okay..I admit it..you’ve forced it out of me. I write as both Rusty and Spob. I was trying to see if I could convincingly write as the most reality-challenged, intolerant, completely delusional dip$#it that I could imagine, and I have succeeded beyond my wildest hopes and dreams.

This thread needs to be in the Swampland hall of fame. We don’t have one and we should build one.

“Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
Lisa: That’s spacious reasoning, Dad.
Homer: Thank you, dear.
Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
Homer: Oh, how does it work?
Lisa: It doesn’t work.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: It’s just a stupid rock.
Homer: Uh-huh.
Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
[Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
[Lisa refuses at first, then takes the exchange]”

Sorry folks, I’m still stuck on “W’s techniques are totally justified because we didn’t get attacked again.” This line of thinking was publicly ridiculed 5 years before 9/11 by an animated 8 year girl, after being espoused by Homer Simpson, paragon of idiocy. And yet for some folks (and I use the term generously in the cases of Spob and Rusty) the most specious arguments are still the best.

“I feel sorry for crack-babies like you and Obama, so I will let that slide.”
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Well, that’s mighty white of you rusty…

spob and rusty, what they’re trying to say is not that Bush said things that ridiculed hurricane victims, but that it was his ACTIONS (what’s that saying in regards to actions and words?) In a way I think you both have misunderstood the implication.
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I for one think it was an epic failure on all three parts (federal, state, local), and government in general. Then “chocolate city” Nagin was rewarded with another term in office. Nice.
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Really though, don’t you think it made Bush seem insensitive when it took days for a response?
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By the way, that thing about Bush and the radio interview about the execution has not been verified (kind of like the national guard/ Dan Rather debacle).
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I also really think that everyone here should lay off the ad-hominem attacks. Even if it’s just in retaliation, it takes away from any substantive debate that may be taking place.
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And Rusty, the Muslim thing really makes you look ignorant and prejudiced, even if you aren’t. The thing I hate so much about the Obama Muslim “issue” is that it implies that if Obama was a Muslim, this would be unacceptable and spell doomsday for America. WHO CARES what the president’s religion is? It’s his philosophy about the role of religion in government that counts. He wasn’t running for a religious position, he was running for the PRESIDENCY of a SECULAR nation.

And Rusty, the Muslim thing really makes you look ignorant and prejudiced, even if you aren’t
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Comedy gold!
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This is the sort of stufff Rusty reads (and Links to:
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http://www.altermedia.info/civil-rights/the-problem-with-whites-by-prof-kevin-macdonald_689.html
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No revolution was ever accomplished without some martyrs. The revolution that restores the legitimacy of white identity and the legitimacy of white interests will be no exception.

apollyon07 Says:
Thursday, April 9, 2009 at 2:08 am
“It’s his philosophy about the role of religion in government that counts. He wasn’t running for a religious position, he was running for the PRESIDENCY of a SECULAR nation.”
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I don’t care what the President’s religion is unless it interferes with how he will govern. And so far, my predictions of an Obama Presidency, back when he was “running for the PRESIDENCY of a SECULAR nation”, are coming true. I do not profess his religion, he does that all by himself, apollyon07. Take this quote from his recent trip overseas ending in Turkey. A TIME article said, “Obama has personal ties to Islam. His father was a Muslim Kenyan, and Obama lived as a child in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim country. He told lawmakers that he knows Americans have been enriched by their country’s Muslim heritage — “I know, because I am one of them.”
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Alone and with no speeches, I can agree with your statement. But, Obama took it as usual a few steps further. Not only did he denounce the American people, calling them “derisive, divisive, and arrogant”, he is blessing the very enemy out to destroy our great Nation. The American people are not derisive, divisive and arrogant, that mantel is Obama’s and Obama’s alone. Since the founding of this country Americans have fought for the rights of people all over the world. We kept the English and French from being overrun by not only the Nazis in WWII, but shortly after , from the Communists agression over Europe from Russia. Americans have fought all over the world to bring freedom, liberty and democracy to everyone possible in the world.
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Obama is the one, who in one speech calls for the end of racial tension, and then in private is caught on tape calling a specific area of our country as those who “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them”. Now on the world stage he professes we are “divisive, derisive, and arrogant”. How dare he. If President Obama wants to give a speech here in the US of A, and say we are “divisive, derisive, and arrogant” so be it. But, a President on foreign soil calling his own constituents these vile names? Screw him.
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appollyon07, I believe we have enough statements from Obama, and how he feels about Americans. We have enough information now to know what he believes, and how he will frame his policies. He will not only throw his own Grandmother under the bus for the sake of winning an election. He will now throw the rest of us under the same bus in order to appease his Muslim brothers and sisters.

“By the way, that thing about Bush and the radio interview about the execution has not been verified (kind of like the national guard/ Dan Rather debacle).”
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Interesting seeing as how it was a print story for Talk Magazine written by Tucker Carlson.

C’mon again rustyreturns, a link to the North Texas Daily – the Official Student Newspaper of the University of North Texas?
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Did you actually read those links? Can you identify a legal or religious principle that would support killing up to 200 innocent people because they were in close proximity to a tall dark skinned man who might (or might not) be Osama bin Laden?

apollyon07:
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“And Rusty, the Muslim thing really makes you look ignorant and prejudiced, even if you aren’t.”
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I might disagree with you on who takes home the most blame, but I can discuss respectfully with you.
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But Rusty?
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What PD Said.
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And then some…

larryblankenship: You’re BOTH Rusty and Spob? Sybil must be rolling over in her graves in jealousy.

All right, I’ve gotta say a couple things.
spob, you contend that your problem with this post is that it shows a lack of respect towards Bush. You further contend that, since he was elected, you have shown due respect to Obama. Since I don’t feel like looking for specific instances of you being disrespectful towards him, I’ll take you at your word. But, I’m going to keep an eye on your comments. If you make disparaging remarks about Obama, I will remind you of this thread. I will remind you of your claim that you show Obama respect. I am also going to ask if you reject the blatantly disrespectful and even racist remarks made by rusty.
rusty, you’re an idiot. I would point out the errors you make in your posts, but frankly, it would take a huge amount of effort, for no reward. You’re not willing to listen to the opinions of others anyway. You assume that anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot, a sheep, a liar. You’re a useless partisan moron, who contributes nothing to the conversation, because you’re too busy throwing around insults to even research the claims you make. I am going to waste no more words on you, because quite frankly, you don’t deserve the attention you get, and I hope the other people here also choose not to reply to you.
Back to you, spob, you seem to be obsessed with ACORN. So, I want to ask something that’s been bugging me since the election: Let’s assume that ACORN does, in fact, condone and even encourage registration fraud. How does this have an effect on voter fraud? Considering ID is still needed to vote, how does the fact that Mickey Mouse is registered as a voter actually allow him to vote? Also, some quick research shows that none of the stimulus money was actually going to ACORN. At least, as of January of 2009. A Google search didn’t pull up anything more recent than that on the first couple pages, so if you have a more recent link from a reputable news source that states stimulus money is explicitly going to ACORN, please post it. Until then, I’m assuming it’s another case of misinformation.

tiamatty, first of all, I don’t respect Obama. Not. One. Bit.
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Second of all, you need to check your facts, you do NOT need an ID to vote in most places. And when voter rolls are inflated, it is an invitation to fraud. ACORN is going to be doing the census and its housing arm is getting stimulus money. I’m not a big fan of throwing FEDERAL dollars at a left-wing activist group that’s well in the mix of national politics, particularly one that has been linked to a lot of monkey business with our elections. I also don’t particularly think that your tax dollars should be going to fund right-wing groups either. You know, something about forced extraction of money to fund politics just bothers me. And my point, of course, was that Obama is chopping some defense programs in a budget where money is simply being shoved out the door. Why is defense spending the area where hits are being taken in such an environment? And yes, I understand that total defense budget is going up.
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Please quote a “racist” remark by Rusty.
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And no, my argument is not that this post shows a lack of respect, but that it’s a gratuitous and false attack. Notwithstanding the moonbat crap posted here about Katrina (and I still would like to defy anyone in here to compare Nagin’s performance with the performance of the current mayor of Fargo, or Blanco’s performance with Haley Barbour’s), Bush would never ever ever ever wanted to mock the suffering of victims of Katrina. That’s not Bush, never has been, and never will be. And I suspect Amy knows it.

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Bill Clinton accused by multiple news outlets of “wagging the dog” when responding to the Embassy Bombings in 1998: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Pulitzerwinning_journalist_Why_I_asked_if_0522.html
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Spongebob & Rustypooch: do you have any evidence whatsoever that George W Bush did anything proactive to prevent 9/11 from being executed so successfully?
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Follow up question: who was president on September 11, 2001 and how long had that individual been in office?
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Final question: if terrorists successfully attacked the United States tomorrow, would that in any way suggest that the Bush Administration had not kept us as safe as they have suggested? Or would Mr. Obama be 100% culpable?

piper1, as sure as I am sitting here, Bush would not have approved the “wall” set up by Jamie “I Got Paid By Fannie” Gorelick, which hindered the chances of getting to the bottom of the 9/11 plot.
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And that depends on the causes of the attack. Remember, Piper1, Obama and company hindered our ability to collect intel because of their opposition (later dropped by Obama) on FISA (and I am not saying that Obama’s opposition was wrong.) I will say this, I think Obama’s effeteness and sackcloth approach makes America less safe.

I’ll take that as a “no,” then. No evidence. Good to know.
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Nice attempt at redirection, though.

And I just want to be clear on your 12:12 post- are you saying that your intention would have been to blame Senator Barack Obama had terrorists succeeded in attacking the United States after 9/11 and the Anthrax and Sniper attacks while George W Bush was President?
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What a stooge. This reminds me again why your ilk is not worthy of engagement.

piper1, please read my post. And FWIW, I don’t really blame Clinton for 9/11. The reality is that there was not the political will in the US to go into Afghanistan befre 9/11 to root out al-Qaeda. Yeah, Clinton invited some ridicule by touting his cruise missile strikes as somehow having more than a miniscule chance of getting OBL, but it really wasn’t Clinton’s fault. Now, of course, the “Wall” seems really dumb.
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I do blame Dems for exerting a lot of political pressure to release GTMO detainees. Had there been more unity here, the political pressure on Bush to release some of these guys would have been lessened, and some of them have gone on to commit terrorist acts (and not just against the US, which blows that “we made ‘em terrorists” nonsense). I also blame Dems for ridiculous opposition to FISA and a lot of their braying about torture (despite, of course, the fact that senior Dems were briefed on the tactics).
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I do think that Obama has less personal deterrence than Bush does. I think Hezbollah knew that under Bush if they had done something to us, Bush would have invaded Lebanon and destroyed them. Does Obama have the same personal deterrence? As of now, no. And now his idiot VP is telling Israel it would be dumb to attack Iran–maybe so, but the point is that deterrence means not taking things off the table. An Iran fearful of an Israeli military option is easier to deal with.
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My impression of Obama is that he can be rolled. We’ll see if I am right or I am wrong. I hope it never comes to that. But I fear that it will.

spob: My mistake. It was rusty who claimed to have not said any disparaging words about Obama. In the same post that he called Obama insane.
As far as a racist remark by rusty, just browse through this very thread. There are a few instances of him making comments which are, at the very least, borderline racism.
The money isn’t explicitly directed at ACORN. Given ACORN’s long involvement with poverty issues, it’s likely they’ll be involved with stimulus efforts directed at those issues. But I suspect that would be the case regardless of the president.
From what I understand about ACORN, they have a voter registration system that makes fraud easy, but it doesn’t really benefit ACORN. They pay people money based on how many registrations they get. This leads to people filing fraudulent registrations. The odds of those regulations actually ending up being used for actual voter fraud is low, so ACORN is getting ripped off by those fraudulent registrations. That’s why it often works with law enforcement to track down those filing fraudulent registrations. At least, that’s ACORN’s story. I reserve judgement on them, because I suspect any fraud they do engage in is most likely evened out by fraud conservative groups engage in. Both sides do it, and anyone who pretends otherwise is delusional. I have a hunch it ultimately evens out.
How is defence spending being hit? The money’s simply being reassigned to fight the current wars, rather than the possible-wars-that-may-or-may-not-happen-at-some-point-in-the-near-or-distant-future-against-an-as-yet-unknown-threat. Useless projects, such as planes that have never been used in combat, are being scrapped in favour of body armour. How is that a bad thing?

I would argue Obama has more credibility than Bush when it comes to countries like Lebanon, Syria, Iran and so on. They all knew that the US couldn’t do anything to them. The troops are stretched painfully thin as it is. That gave them a lot more leeway in working against US interests. And, of course, since Bush was publicly unwilling to talk to those countries, they had no incentive to give a damn what the US wanted anyway.
Now, though, Obama’s publicly reaching out. He’s showing a willingness to talk to them. Now, there’s an incentive to listen, however small. Of course, it’ll still be a few years before the US can bring its military might to bear against another country, since the troops are still going to be stretched thin between Iraq and Afghanistan. Still, there’s a glimmer of a hope of discussions, which is more than there was under Bush.

Just for the record, getting back on topic, I found Amy’s comment to be a low-blow, but it still got a chuckle out of me. And as for Bush being callous, the Press Correspondents Dinner bit where he looked around for Iraq’s weapons was pretty bad. Considering those weapons were the primary cause he gave for sending the soldiers into Iraq, that wasn’t exactly his finest moment.

tiamatty, the scaling down of the F-22 raptor is a bad thing. And my point, of course, is that the Obama budget is positively orgiastic with spending, so why are we going to mess with defense?
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As for “racist”, well, I have my answer. You say borderline. Well, ok. I assume you voted for Obama. I can point you to a lot of evidence of his racial views, which aren’t exactly pretty. For example, Obama characterized a racially motivated six-on-one assault of a white high school student, wherein the white student was knocked unconscious, stomped on the ground while unconscious and beaten until the assault was forcibly stopped as a “schoolyard fight”. Now, why would he deliberately minimize the nastiness of the black assailants? Could it be that he was parroting what he learned from Jeremiah Wright? So if you’re going to ask me to reject Rusty, I assume that it’s fair game for me to ask you to reject Obama’s racial viewpoints.
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Well?

“The reality is that there was not the political will in the US to go into Afghanistan befre 9/11 to root out al-Qaeda.”
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Your honesty on this specifc point is appreciated. I’ve never before seen a right-winger admit to this obvious truth.
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I don’t buy your “personal deterrence” theory but since it is unprovable there’s not much point to arguing against it.
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If President Obama makes it through his first year in office without a major terrorist attack, he will have succeeded where George Bush failed. We shall see if Obama’s combination of carrots and sticks works better than Bush’s sticks and sticks. I thinkthe new president if office less than 100 days deserves the benefit of the doubt, clearly you do not.
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I will add that despite the fact that I did not vote for him and was appalled by the widespread shenanigans that ended in Bush v Gore, I did give Pres. Bush the benefit of the doubt until he began to redirect our defense/ offense orientation towards Iraq and away from Afghanistan.

I’m Canadian, so no, I didn’t vote for Obama. I did root for him, though.
The Raptor is a waste of money. It’s not keeping the troops safe. It has never been used in combat. When they have to work to figure out a use for something, it’s probably better to just scrap it. And I fail to see how he’s messing with defence by “only” increasing the military budget by 4%.
I don’t know the details of either the comments or the fight they referred to. I don’t know the full context of Obama’s statements. However, assuming his full comments were along that vein, of downplaying the racial aspect of the beating, I would say he missed an opportunity to give a criticism of some of the racism occasionally expressed by minorities. However, from a political standpoint, I can understand why he would downplay it. He wanted to avoid getting into discussions of race altogether, because being seen as a black candidate (as opposed to a candidate who just happened to be black) would have hampered him. It was likely a political calculation, and not necessarily reflective of his personal view of the subject. Politics is seldom pretty, but people gotta play the game.

And for the rest of the liberal commenters on here, I’d just like to point out that I’m having a discussion with spob, and it’s fairly respectful. You see: It IS possible to talk to conservatives without insulting them!

tiamatty:
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Not a problem. I sank his ship yesterday, with all hands aboard.
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However, I might point out that he came into the discussion with insults (look at the earliest comments of spob).
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I actually do have respectful exchanges with people with different views, (see above and others with apollyon07) but when they start, I finish!
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Particularly when it comes to GOP disinformation and diversion about the Katrina debacle.

tiamatty, the point about Obama’s comment about the six-on-one beating was not that he didn’t comment on the racial aspect of it, but that he minimized the actions of the black assailants. That’s problematic. Why was he doing that? And if he did have political calculations in his reaction, then why in the world was he claiming to be able to lead a national conversation on race?
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I’ll let you in on a little secret. The bottom line is that Obama’s “schoolyard fight” comment is simply indefensible. He NEVER in a million years would have had the same reaction to an attack where six whites assaulted a black student in the same manner. This, coupled with his comfort with the extreme views of Wright, plus comments like “typical white person” and the casual attribution of xenophobia to rural (read white) America leads to some very very uncomfortable conclusions.
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Now you may say that it’s ok, that it’s not as bad coming from a minority, or however you want to justify it, but you cannot deny that criticism of Obama on this point is extremely meritorious.
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Piper1, I assume that some of the “shenanigans” you point to were the disenfranchisement of military voters by Dems and illegal voting by felons.

yeah, right 53_3, you cite a bunch of left-wing propaganda to show what, that, in dealing with a national disaster for which the locality was woefully unprepared, mistakes were made? (Once again, care to compare Nagin to the current mayor of Fargo?) And then you blow up an incident (which was appalling) where the interstate was blocked by the sheriff’s dept into some huge conspiracy run by Bush. And what, you sank my battleship?
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OK. Gotcha.

Piper1, I forgot to mention why I don’t give Obama the benefit of the doubt. People who help Ayers institute his radical agenda don’t strike me as particularly trustworthy on issues of national defense.

“yeah, right 53_3, you cite a bunch of left-wing propaganda to show what…”
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Sourcewatch? Left wing propaganda? Levees.org? Wow, spob, what isn’t left wing propaganda? Fox?
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“Once again, care to compare Nagin to the current mayor of Fargo?”
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Why should I? It doesn’t amount to a hill of beans other than as a diversion for you. I’ll just continue to post facts. You know, those things you can only dimly percieve of?
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“And then you blow up an incident (which was appalling) where the interstate was blocked by the sheriff’s dept into some huge conspiracy run by Bush. And what, you sank my battleship?”
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You obviously never read my entire post. I said the ‘vacuum left by Bush’s inaction…) and the event took place in said vacuum. Now if you want to continue spewing rhetoric and not facing facts, that’s fine. You appearantly can’t even read…

You know what?
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I’m doubting spob is even old enough to know what a ‘commie’ is, or even a ‘socialist’.
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And if spob believes GOP propaganda, hell, what hope is there for him ever to actually use what brain he has.
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Talk about the terrible wastage of a mind. It used to be that the UNCF slogan was appropriately targeted to the poor state of the education of Black Americans, but I think maybe it could equally be applied to Republicans.
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Except that Republicans willingly toss their intellect into the gutter…

sponge bob:
Here. Just so you dont have to fumble in the dark.
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“And Bush was blocking escape routes, ok gotcha, moonb…”
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Nope. Just high income white Americans working in a vaccuum, which existed because of GOP wanton neglect.
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BTW, I remember that none other than Turdblossom himself was put in charge after brownie was dismissed.
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I wonder why…

“And what, you sank my battleship?”
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Yup. You got PWNED. Sorry, facts are facts…

Amy: FOUR PAGES!! Combine the idiocy of Berlusconi with the idiocy of Dubya and we can’t resist. Come over to the darkside. We have cookies.

“We have cookies.”
sacredh:
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What kind? Maybe if you let Amy know, she’ll leap to the Dark Side without a second thought.

53_3: Chocolate chip or chocolate oatmeal nobakes (my favorite). All she needs to do is accept the sign of the beast. 666, not RNC like most people think.

Cookies? If they’re chocolate snickerdoodles, spob and rusty will be right over, meaning that I’ll be right over.

Actually Amy might try writing something that actually has substance and depth sometime. I’d bring my famous chili cheese dip and fresh made tortilla chips from our local mexican place (yum!)

Of course that would be hoping for too much. Oh well back to the salt mines. Let’s see Obama isn’t actually even a human and his dad was the corpse on the table during that whole “Alien Autopsy” thing back in the day. Yeah..that’s it. And Michelle has such great arms because she’s shooting steroids with A-Rod. And..and…oh it’s getting good now……get ready for another top of the line spob/rusty post..

This is what I am talking about:
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/ccrdraft060401.htm
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“Perhaps the most dramatic undercount in this election was the nonexistent ballots of the countless unknown eligible voters, who were wrongfully purged from the voter registration rolls, turned away from the polls, and by various other means prevented from exercising the franchise. While statistical data, reinforced by credible anecdotal evidence, point to widespread disenfranchisement and denial of voting rights, it is impossible to determine the extent of the disenfranchisement or to provide an adequate remedy to the persons whose voices were silenced in this historic election by a pattern and practice of injustice, ineptitude and inefficiency.
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During the November 2000 presidential election in Florida, restrictive statutory provisions, wide-ranging errors and inadequate and unequal resources in the election process denied countless Floridians the right to vote. The disenfranchisement of Florida’s voters fell most harshly on the shoulders of African Americans. Statewide, based upon county-level statistical estimates, African American voters were nearly ten times more likely than white voters to have their ballots rejected in Florida. On a statewide basis, while African Americans comprised about 11% of all voters in Florida in the November 2000 presidential election, African Americans cast about 54% of the ballots that were rejected in the election. Before and during the election state and county officials were aware of several key factors that ultimately contributed to the disenfranchisement of qualified voters.”

Piper1, of course, you don’t really mention the context . . . . Florida had been plagued with lots of voter fraud before that (most of it, by the way, blue on blue) and dealt with it by trying to regularize the voter rolls. And remember too, the Civil Rights Commission held hearings on this, and some of the anecdotes that were mentioned were shown to be bogus. People had moved, and showed up to old polling places and were turned away.

“I might disagree with you on who takes home the most blame, but I can discuss respectfully with you.”
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What did you mean by this, 53_3?

You just keep listening to what you want to hear and ignore that which you don’t, Spongebob. I suggest the documentary Unprecedented which goes through each step of the willful and wide-ranging efforts to keep primarily African-American voters from exercising their right to vote. The number of illegally disenfranchised voters outnumbers the uncounted military votes by orders of magnitude.
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Oh, and the passage and report I linked to IS the Civil Rights Commission, fool. “Following is a draft of the executive summary points from the Commission on Civil Rights report on the 2000 Florida general election. The document was given exclusively to The Washington Post.”

Hey dummy, the CCR was not exactly the most unbiased reporter of the goings on in Florida. You wanna cite Mary Frances Berry, fine. Just don’t expect me to take it seriously, dummy.
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Some of those anecdotes in the report were blown to crap, dummy.

Dude, in attempting to rebut my statement YOU pointed to the very same document you are now attempting to discredit.
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Hypocrite much? Pathetic.

I mean that you don’t insult anyone, and debate with you can be constructive, not destructive.
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As for disagreement, it is the Bush Administration and the GOP that held the levers to the largest pool of resources. I put them far out in front of Nagin and Blanco when it comes to blame for the Katrina debacle.

piper1:
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Go see how rmrd is artfully taking sponge bob apart on the other threads. Wonderful to see you guys “pretzelizing” sponge bob in ways I could only hope to match!

“As for disagreement, it is the Bush Administration and the GOP that held the levers to the largest pool of resources. I put them far out in front of Nagin and Blanco when it comes to blame for the Katrina debacle.”
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But the feds don’t have a fleet of buses, and typically don’t run evacuation programs. That was Nagin’s and Blanco’s responsibility. They made life a hell of a lot more difficult for FEMA. But of course, all of this is off topic. The blogpost implied that Bush would have wanted to mock the victims of Katrina, and that just isn’t right, your hysterical bleating to the contrary.
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Piper1, you must have gotten dropped on your head as a baby. I was NOT citing the Civil Rights Commission Report for my position; instead, I was citing it as an example of misinformation. As you should know, a bunch of the anecdotes cited by Mary Frances Berry et al. were completely flawed.
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Your guys succeeded in disenfranchising military voters in 2000. Get that right, dummy.