Obama Too Is An American Exceptionalist

PRAGUE–On Friday, I wrote a blog post on Barack Obama’s new more collaborative approach to foreign policy, and contrasted it with the approach of President Bush and John McCain, which I described as “American exceptionalism,” or the vision that the United States operated on a plane above and beyond the rest of the world’s nations, and should therefore take a significant leadership role.

On Saturday in Strasbourg, my colleague Ed Luce of the Financial Times asked Obama if he subscribed to the American exceptionalist approach. Obama said he did. And his answer was fascinating to me. While in the past the idea that America was exceptional, the shining city on a hill, was evoked as an objective description, a fact, a prediction and a course by which the ship of state could be sailed, Obama used the phrase, by contrast, in a more subjective, self-aware way, acknowledging that the fact that he held this belief was not so, well, exceptional. “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism,” the president said.

There is a great essay to be written about this nuance, one that might even touch on the changes in how the humanities were taught at elite universities between the 1950s and 60s, and the 1970s and 80s, when Obama went to school–a time when the understanding of philosophical truth shifted to a study of subjective systems of understanding, not objective realities. As I write, it occurs to me that Obama is the first post-structuralist president this nation has had, and the effect is wide ranging. (I will return to this idea later, I hope.) In the meantime, I must admit that I was wrong in that previous blog post. Obama too is a self-described American Exceptionalist. But the difference I described is still real, and it appears in the nuance of how Obama interprets the meaning of that phrase. The Bush vision, as described in his second inaugural address, is far more prescriptive than the Obama vision, and contains far less doubt. A full transcript follows after the jump. I encourage you to read it.

Q Thank you, Mr. President. In the context of all the multilateral activity that’s been going on this week — the G20, here at NATO — and your evident enthusiasm for multilateral frameworks, to work through multilateral frameworks, could I ask you whether you subscribe, as many of your predecessors have, to the school of American exceptionalism that sees America as uniquely qualified to lead the world, or do you have a slightly different philosophy? And if so, would you be able to elaborate on it?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism. I’m enormously proud of my country and its role and history in the world. If you think about the site of this summit and what it means, I don’t think America should be embarrassed to see evidence of the sacrifices of our troops, the enormous amount of resources that were put into Europe postwar, and our leadership in crafting an Alliance that ultimately led to the unification of Europe. We should take great pride in that.

And if you think of our current situation, the United States remains the largest economy in the world. We have unmatched military capability. And I think that we have a core set of values that are enshrined in our Constitution, in our body of law, in our democratic practices, in our belief in free speech and equality, that, though imperfect, are exceptional.

Now, the fact that I am very proud of my country and I think that we’ve got a whole lot to offer the world does not lessen my interest in recognizing the value and wonderful qualities of other countries, or recognizing that we’re not always going to be right, or that other people may have good ideas, or that in order for us to work collectively, all parties have to compromise and that includes us.

And so I see no contradiction between believing that America has a continued extraordinary role in leading the world towards peace and prosperity and recognizing that that leadership is incumbent, depends on, our ability to create partnerships because we create partnerships because we can’t solve these problems alone.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    Interesting post MS. I doubt any president would say they DIDN’T subscribe to American Exceptionalism but there certainly is a distinction to be drawn between the My Way or the Highway version of his immediate predecessor and BHO’s.
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    I hope you get back to the post-structuralist stuff. I know nothing about that-other than from the wiki link- and would like to read your thoughts.

  • sacredh

    Short version of Obama’s comments: Kick in some cash and troops guys. We’re broke too but there’s still some sh!t that needs done.

  • lupercal5

    very interesting indeed. i’d love to read your thoughts on this post-structuralism stuff.
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    the way i see obama’s multilateralism is in the context of writing a blueprint for the post-cold war, 21st century world. We’ve pretty much been aimlessly oscillating from one approach to another. we just can’t police the world all by our own any longer. we don’t have the resources nor the political will. So, Europe, and the Middle East in particular should be taking a more significant leadership role. Afpak isn’t America’s War. When we defeat Al Qaeda, we don’ t just protect American lives. So, we can’t socialize all the risks and dangers, gain the scorn of the world but still manage to protect them. And if we’re willing to listen to them and take their advice, if they want more leadership role, they must assume the responsibilities that come with it.
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    in that respect, i don’t think his philosophy is much different in terms of foreign security policy as in foreign economic policy (addressing the unsustainable trade deficits, as you’ve argued quite ably the other day.

  • stuartzechman

    Is there a difference in practice between Obama’s American Exceptionalism and the Project for a New American Century’s?
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    What specifically would that difference be?
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    How would we see that difference demonstrated in practice, say with respect to the Afghanistan occupation?

  • lupercal5

    i suppose my general point is, im disappointed that we just committed 21,000 new troops just by ourselves. and 21 nations came together to strongly the plan but commit just 5,000 troops. leadership isnt about running your mouth and laying blame, and trumpeting how much your arguments prevailed. you have to get down to business too. and i wish obama had pushed them a bit harder to take responsibility proportional to their larger megaphone.

  • plukasiak

    the difference between American exceptionalism and the “exceptionalism” of other nations is the level of national maturity behind the idea of “exceptionalism” that mitigates against the hubris inherent in exceptionalism. Other nations may think they deserve to be treated as exceptional, but only the US claim the right to exceptional treatment.
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    and while Obama may be smart enough to blur this distinction in front of international audiences, he still shows strong signs of possessing the same basic “american exceptionalism” mindset that continues to prove disasterous to this nation. (although one does suspect that Obama’s conceptualization of American exceptionalism is tied to his own ego — of course the US is “exceptional”; after all, Obama is their president…)

  • yutsano

    (although one does suspect that Obama’s conceptualization of American exceptionalism is tied to his own ego — of course the US is “exceptional”; after all, Obama is their president…)
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    Oi.
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    Obama will NEVER do right by you will he Pluk? He could do EXACTLY the same things Hillary would have done and you would STILL criticize because he’s not your girl. Lawd you are getting smarmy.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Michael, in your ample free time you would enjoy Sarah Vowell’s great book, The Wordy Shipmates, which includes a discussion of the city on a hill from William Bradford through Reagan and in the context of the 2008 campaign. Though you may have already read it…

  • brianunion

    Michael — This really has been some of your best writing on the blog. You’ve offered nuance and insight well beyond the day-to-day soundbite politics and conventional wisdom. You get beat up a lot here and you deserve praise when it’s due. Please keep up the good work.

  • jnb987

    Pluk… I wonder how some European countries twice or even three times the age of our America would respond to your anointment of America’s “national maturity.”

  • pneogy

    The way Obama views it, “exceptionalism” seems to be not very different from patriotism or nationalism (without the connotation ascribed to it by Nazi Germany). This isn’t the usual interpretation of American Exceptionalism, which is a more elastic and poignant term.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Cosmic convergenge: I just received a call for chapters for a book on American Exceptionalism:
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    Overview:

    This planned volume will examine America’s exceptionalist rhetoric as it is
    manifested in a wide variety of forms and venues, including but not
    limited to the following:
    - political communication (including campaign discourse and political
    rhetoric in general)
    - presidential rhetoric
    - foreign policy discourse
    - media coverage of various events
    - popular/mediated culture (film, TV, radio, fiction, music, video games,
    and other entertainment forms)
    - advertising and marketing campaigns
    - art, visual symbols, and other forms of visual communication

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    I guess we won’t get a post about the ass hole in Pittsburgh that murdered 4 police officers because he thought President Obama was going to take his guns away. I guess if we got a post about that then somebody at Swampland might actually have to point out the role Conservative media probably played in driving that idiot to commit his crimes and nobody ever wants to call a spade a spade do we?
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    http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-wonder-where-he-got-that-idea-from.html

  • Paul-no not that one

    SG it will get exactly the amount of attention the Bernie Goldberg inspired murder got.
    .
    Shooting up churches, killing cops. Flat out saying they were so moved by wingnut talk they HAD TO KILL.
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    Ignore.

  • bitterpill8

    Folks: it is 2.30 in the morning where I am in Europe. American Exceptionalism is bs here. We screwed up on our economy; we are according to my dinner companions a##holes who robbed our own people of their cash all in the name of Wall Street knows it all. And our counterparts in Europe have more safety nets that we have pins for a baby’s napkins. I am off to bed now. But here: Obama is great, the Republicans are nuts, and if the Democrats don’t stand up for something then they will be nuts too.

    Got to go to bed: too much wine.

  • bitterpill8

    Could not sign off with out a bow to SGW and SZ.

  • formerlyjames

    So exceptionalism means that America is extremely good. And extremely evil, too? Which causes me to conclude that it is all an exercise in semantics. Meaningless.
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    I know evil when I see it. Look up the Bush administration. I know good. Maybe the Obama administration will get that listing some day, but not yet.
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    In the meantime, I wait and watch, and think exceptionalism is just another word in the mind of the beholder.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Makes sense that someone who is such a fan of Lincoln would be an American exceptionalist.
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    There are many kinds of exceptionalisms that are possible. One of the reasons I was so PO’ed by the Bush administration is that he was turning America into just another two-bit, tyrannical empire. Weren’t we built to be exactly the opposite of that?

  • stuartzechman

    SG: Here’s a primer on Budget Reconciliation I though you’d like to read.

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks so much bitterpill8.
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    Enjoy your Euro-life. I live with a European person, but right at the moment I have strep throat.

  • formerlyjames

    Adolph Hitler was one of the greatest believers in exceptionalism of all time. What others are there?

  • stuartzechman

    just another two-bit, tyrannical empire
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    We’re getting more and more Soviet by the day.

  • formerlyjames

    sz, I don’t even know what to make of the administration trying to avoid executive compensation restrictions. Why? It wouldn’t be an issue if the executives delivered profits rather than massive loss and financial disaster.
    .
    Is this another example of exceptionalism? For crooked executives?

  • stuartzechman

    formerlyjames:
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    Is this another example of exceptionalism?
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    In a certain way, I think that it is.
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    This is a 1997 paper by Brad DeLong, in which he claims that the Europeans are the ones being “Exceptional”:

    E. Virtuous Circles
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    All these explanations rely, at some level or other, on virtuous circles. One way to think about the post-World War II settlement, and the contrast with the interwar period, is as a coordination problem. Labor, management and government in Europe could, in effect, choose to try to maximize their current share of national income-as after World War I. Inflation, strikes, financial disarray, cyclical instability and productivity problems can all be seen as corollaries of this equilibrium.
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    Alternatively, the parties could trade current compensation for faster long-term growth and higher living standards, even in present-value terms. Workers would moderate their wage demands, management its demands for profits. Government agreed to use demand management to maintain employment in return for wage restraint on the part of unions. Higher investment and faster productivity growth could ensue, eventually rendering everyone better off.
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    Such a “social contract” is advantageous only if it is generally accepted. If workers continued to aggressively press for higher wages, management had little incentive to plow back profits in return for the promise of higher future profits. If management failed to plow back profits, workers had little incentive to moderate current wage demands in return for higher future productivity and compensation. If labor relations were conflictual rather than harmonious, productivity would be the casualty. Once western Europe had shifted onto this “social contract” equilibrium path–once workers and management began to behave in a mannger consistent with the superior equilibrium–they had no obvious reason to stop.
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    IV. The End of the Miracle
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    Everything went right in western Europe–growth, distribution, price stability, employment stability–up until 1973. Since then things have gone wrong. If western Europe is “exceptional” today, it is exceptional in its high and stubborn structural unemployment, and in the narrow vision of its central bankers.

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    It all starts with those unreasonable European workers “If workers continued to aggressively press for higher wages…” and ends with “the narrow vision of its central bankers” who couldn’t be persuaded by visionaries like Summers that their financial products markets should be almost completely de-regulated.
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    What’s interesting is that DeLong quotes himself and Larry Summers as a source of credible theory that backs up his contentions in the paper (“I believe in the estimates found in DeLong and Summers (1991)“).
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    It’s interesting that Brad DeLong and Larry Summers produced a number of papers together during the 1980′s early 1990′s:

    J. Bradford De Long and Lawrence H. Summers, “How Does Macroeconomic Policy Matter?” Brookings Papers on Economic Activity 1988: 2 (Fall 1988), pp. 433-480. (Earlier version issued as HIER working paper no. 1418, December 1988.)
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    J. Bradford De Long and Lawrence H. Summers, “Equipment Investment and Economic Growth,” Quarterly Journal of Economics 106: 2 (May 1991), pp. 445-502. (Earlier version issued as NBER working paper no. 3515, November 1990).
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    # J. Bradford De Long and Lawrence H. Summers, “Quanto è Forte il Legame tra Crescita e Meccanizzazione?” Rivista di Politica Economica (November 1992).
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    # J. Bradford De Long and Lawrence H. Summers, “How Robust Is the Growth-Machinery Nexus?” Rivista di Politica Economica (November 1992).
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    # J. Bradford De Long and Lawrence H. Summers, “Equipment Investment and Economic Growth: How Robust Is the Nexus?” Brookings Papers on Economic Activity (Fall 1992).

    .
    I’m being somewhat facetious, but this is an interesting avenue…it’s too bad some intrepid political reporter couldn’t make a study of this notion and the actors involved…

  • deathbypapers

    @formerlyjames/anyone else looking to read up on American exceptionalism, I’d suggest you pick up a copy of “The Limits of Power: The End of American Exceptionalism” by Andrew Bacevich. It’s a concise overview of the doctrine of American exceptionalism and what it has meant to the US. This is especially true when it comes to its effects on foreign policy. Also, IMHO you only need to read the first few chapters. After that Bacevich gets a bit repetitive and beats his argument into the ground.
    @joyomama, count me in on cosmic convergence as well, though to a bit smaller scale than yours. The books this week in one of my readings courses are John Higham’s “Strangers in the Land” and Matthew Frye Jacobson’s “Whiteness of a Different Color.” American exceptionalism pops up over and over during the 1880′s and 90′s in the belief that the US can assimilate immigrants and make them into “exceptional” American citizens.

  • deathbypapers

    @sz, I’m not too familiar with this topic (the economic aspect) and I recognize that you’re being slightly facetious, but two things.
    #1: I think you’re jumping to a conclusion here. Just including the word “exceptional” doesn’t relate to the concept of exceptionalism. #2: Quoting yourself (as Summers does) is actually not that uncommon in academic writing (well at least in the areas I’m familiar with: sociology and history, I’m not sure about economics). It keeps your from having to remake an argument that took a book or paper to make. The author is assuming that her/his readers will have already read the argument or if they have objections then s/he can refer to that source.

  • stuartzechman

    deathbypapers:
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    I do understand the points you’re making about self-referential sourcing, etc., but with respect to “ust including the word “exceptional” doesn’t relate to the concept of exceptionalism.“, if you were to click the provided link, you would see that the paper is actually titled “Post-WWII Western European Exceptionalism: The Economic Dimension”.
    .
    The paper is, in fact proposing a “European Exceptionalism” quite related to its American counterpart. It’s an interesting read, actually…

  • stuartzechman

    …I mean that it’s “an interesting read” if one finds the film “Cane Toads” as fascinating as I do…

  • noel100

    I would have figured that michaelscherer would have recognized Niebuhr’ Irony of American History, since Niebuhr is one of Obama’s favorites.

  • hellslittlestangel

    American exceptionalism began as “we’re luckier than other people, so we have an obligation to do what’s right.” It has degenerated, especially under Bush, into, “we’re better than other people, therefore whatever we do is right.”
    I think Obama has properly redefined exceptionalism as a sort of hyper-grandiose patriotism. It’s political suicide in this silly country to come right out and say such a thing. Nice to have a president who does nuance.

  • deathbypapers

    @sz, My bad, I confess to a lazy critique (didn’t click through and just relied on the quote you had there). Even now, I’ll admit to not reading the entire article, just the intro/abstract, conclusion and a brief skimming, but I still think my argument holds. DeLong’s “European exceptionalism” is radically different from my understanding of the concept of “American exceptionalism” as it is popularly understood. DeLong’s ends and is the product of a few explicit factors and fortuitous circumstances. “American exceptionalism” seems to be something people have thought to be a little more innate and durable. America is exceptional because it is America, and it will continue to be exceptional. Does that make sense?

  • deathbypapers

    @hellslittlestangel, I think the doctrine of American exceptionalism is a little more complex than that. We can see strains of it during the 19th century when it came to assimilating immigrants (we can submerge their “undesirable qualities” and make them into “true Americans”) and dealing with economic crises.

  • stuartzechman

    deathbypapers:
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    Does that make sense?
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    Contrasting DeLong’s European Exceptionalism (“[it] ends and is the product of a few explicit factors and fortuitous circumstances.“) and American Exceptionalism (“America is exceptional because it is America“), don’t you see that his analysis is premised upon wholesale (perhaps even somewhat un-self aware) acceptance of American Exceptionalism as its framework?

  • shepherdwong

    “…changes in how the humanities were taught at elite universities between the 1950s and 60s, and the 1970s and 80s, when Obama went to school–a time when the understanding of philosophical truth shifted to a study of subjective systems of understanding, not objective realities.”
    .
    I applaud the attempt to discuss such a thing but, really, what an odd way to characterize the evolution of “philosophical truth” in University, or anywhere else since the 50s. Since before Plato, no such false dichotomy between objective reality and philosophical truth has been debated seriously by anyone with whom I’m familiar. Please point me there if such a debate exists, I’m always fascinated by truths of any kind, particularly those based “not [upon] objective realities”. I usually find them in religion.
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    I’ll grant you, an incredible following was achieved by Objectivism, (see: Alan Greenspan, et al.) courtesy of nominal philosophers on the right, which is about as subjective a system as complete self-absorption could produce. Ironically though, it claims to be based upon objective reality (it’s in the name) and seems to be falling on some disfavor as of late.

  • deathbypapers

    sz, I’m not quite sure if I follow you here. So because DeLong sets up a European exceptionalism as a rhetorical device (and that’s all it really is to him, European exceptionalism = the confluence of a variety of factors/circumstances that ends after a period, but the phrase exceptionalism is a bit more controversial and sure to pique his audience’s interest), he’s accepting the reality of American (consciously or unconsciously) exceptionalism and using it as his framework?

  • formerlyjames

    deathbypapers, thanks for the reference.

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    Yes, I believe in American exceptionalism. As I pointed out earlier, the concept is in the mind of the beholder. My belief would probably not be consistent with Obmama’s. Most assuredly not with W. Bush and his neocons. I won’t bore you with all of my view, but it would not include unilateral, preemptive assault of other soverign nations, it would not include secret prisons, torture, or denial of habeas corpus, would not include a massive prison industry containing a significant portion of American and foreign citizens for greater and lessor infractions.
    .
    For my part, I am not a prisoner, I am not living in an assaulted country, I have not been subject to torture or imprisonment. I am fat, comfortable and happy thanks to American exceptionalism. But rather than gloat over it, I am ashamed of the last administration’s interpretation of it and how it applies in the rest of the world.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    MS,
    I don’t think you erred in your previous post. Just like when we got huing up over what the proper meaning of the word ‘recovery’ is, We’ve now gotten hung up over the meaning of ‘American exceptionalism’.
    .
    I’m going to repost what I said on the last thread, because I have this eerie feeling that whatever I type here inevitably comes out of the President’s mouth the next day:
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    We are indeed a beacon to the world as an example of what happens when freedom, self-determination, diversity and adherence to a written framework preserving those values is put in place. But our moral stature comes from our adherence to our values, not simply our identity. When we start to think of our stature as God-given rather than earned through our actions and example, then the potential for great evil is soon to follow.
    .
    The debates over detainee abuse in particular reveal that there are many people who view America as incapable of wrongdoing. Such an attitude is needless to say extremely dangerous as it can lead directly to our excusing and abetting acts that any reasonable observer would regard as evil. But what we have seen, is that our particular system is designed to be self-correcting and that process has played itself out in an astonishing fashion.

  • deathbypapers

    @shepherdwong, from my discipline (history) he might be getting the phrases wrong, but the thrust of the argument is correct i think. Probably the best example would be the fact that “consensus history” was so in vogue during the 50′s-early 60′s (consensus history = the belief that Americans held together regardless of the differences between racial, class, gender groups because there were certain things such as economic liberalism, liberal ideologies, “Americanness” that everyone agreed on). By the late 60′s this had pretty much been discredited as new historians were able to emphasize that there were plenty of disagreements and Americans did not all hold the same basic principles.
    While few of the consensus historians would probably have been so bold to claim that there were objective realities, in some small sense that’s what they were claiming. I can confess that you’ll still find historians who operate under the assumption that they don’t need to worry about the inability to find the objective reality. I would suspect that many other disciplines have the same problems (as well as the public at large).

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    As for the ‘post-structuralist’ link I have just ONE thing to say:
    .
    http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
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    OK, more than one, if you hit the refresh button!

  • stuartzechman

    I also have just ONE thing to say.

  • deathbypapers

    personally I would like to add http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/

  • stuartzechman

    deathbypapers:
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    he’s accepting the reality of American (consciously or unconsciously) exceptionalism and using it as his framework?
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    Yes, hence the obvious inherent inferiority of European Exceptionalism is “proven” (in 1997) by such (laughable in today’s circumstances) characteristics as “ the narrow vision of its central bankers“.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Not wanting to miss an opportunity to add my two cents, it seems that Obama’s vision of American exceptionalism is more logical than the conservative model promoted by Reagan, McCain or Bush.
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    Obama celebrates the convergence of events, the unique qualities inherent in our system and the more interesting by-products that result, which give rise to an environment that allows for adaptation, reinvention and the ability to recognize value from unexpected sources, which by the way, turns out to be a necessary component of leadership. However, using Obama’s definition of exceptionalism, one must also acknowledge that other countries may also give birth to happy accidents that produce valuable qualities and characteristics they can contribute.
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    Unfortunately, Bush and his brethren subscribe to a version of exceptionalism that is the result of an innate supremacy. A genetic inheritance, which makes it difficult not to view any offerings from outside our gene pool as of lesser value.

    Now aside from the reality that this kind of thinking is also the parents of white supremacy, as well as myriad other discriminations, it has allowed us to coast on a reputation earned long ago. We have so depended on a belief in America’s divine right of supremacy that we have divorced ourselves of the reality that other are positioning themselves to pass us by.
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    Moreover, even in the face of our crumbling facade, the wing nuts continue to promote a version of exceptionalism that point to examples of greatness that are mere shadows of their former incarnations to convince our citizens that the drastic measures being taken to revitalize our nation is little more than an extravagant exercise of liberal naivete.

  • deathbypapers

    sz, but that’s not American exceptionalism, it’s just saying that there is an alternative to the laughable characterization of “the narrow vision of its central bankers.” I don’t believe that if you ever use the US as a positive example that means you believe in American exceptionalism (even if your positive example in 1997 morphs into an incredibly negative one in 2009). It just means that the US did something you thought was right at one time. That does not make it exceptional.
    Here’s an example of American exceptionalism, circa 1886 from the Journal “Public Opinion.” I’m drawing it from Higham’s “Strangers in the Land”:
    “There is no such thing as an American anarchist… The American character has no element in it that can be drawn to uses so mistaken and pernicious…”

  • shepherdwong

    “…from my discipline (history) he might be getting the phrases wrong, but the thrust of the argument is correct i think. Probably the best example would be the fact that “consensus history” was so in vogue during the 50′s-early 60′s (consensus history = the belief that Americans held together regardless of the differences between racial, class, gender groups because there were certain things such as economic liberalism, liberal ideologies, “Americanness” that everyone agreed on). By the late 60′s this had pretty much been discredited as new historians were able to emphasize that there were plenty of disagreements and Americans did not all hold the same basic principles.”
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    True enough, as I recall, for the evolution of modern history and historians. But, again, I’m not familiar with any serious school of American philosophy that was ever bound by such cultural-centrism. Besides, I don’t see how Mr. Scherer’s “objective realities” of past philosophy become conflated with mere historical groupthink of the 50s. It’s possible, since the pressures toward cultural homogenity were fierce at that time, I just haven’t seen it among the serious philosophers of the day.

  • deathbypapers

    @dee, i agree with you Obama’s version of American exceptionalism is a bit more palatable than the other side. Nevertheless, I still have a visceral response to the term. I think comes from a childhood where I was given books like “From Sea to Shining Sea (God’s Plan for America)” that attempted to drum into me the idea that the US is a “city on a hill” and that all the convergence of events were clearly God’s will. Ugh…

  • stuartzechman

    deathbypapers:
    .
    Yours is also a reasonable characterization of DeLong’s criticism of the Europeans, but reading the entire piece, and realizing with the vast aid of hindsight just how much faith DeLong has in the American system , one can’t help but see something imbued in his analysis.

  • deathbypapers

    @shepherd: “I don’t see how Mr. Scherer’s ‘objective realities’ of past philosophy become conflated with mere historical groupthink of the 50′s.”
    This might be a little over my head, but since I brought it up I better give it a shot. Personally, I’m not sure I follow the whole objective reality to subjective understanding continumn he has either, but what I think he’s saying, and something I agree with, is that the teaching/understanding of the humanities at elite universities was radically different in the late 60′s/70′s than it was in the 50′s/early 60′s for a variety of reasons. Some of that is due to post-modern ideas, some of it is due to the fact that higher education was finally admitting women and minorities, and some of it is due to the widespread loss of faith in scientific triumphalism.

  • shepherdwong

    @deathbypapers: OK, and I may have been a bit pedantic with my adherence to the meaning of “philosophical”. Perhaps Scherer was speaking more broadly, though, when you combine it with the word “truth” you really have to expect to hear from philosophy geeks about the consistent lack of groupthink or frequent shifting of paradigms (particularly rejecting empiricism) in that particular humanity.

  • http://hotfile.wordpress.com/2009/04/05/sunday-reading-5/ Sunday Reading « The Hot File

    [...] Russ Feingold (HuffPo): First, Do What We Must in Pakistan TPM: The Week That Was Time Swampland: Obama Too is an American Exceptionalist NYT: Obama and the Confidence Game Newsweek: A Post-Christian [...]

  • jcapan

    Well, as a post-structuralist myself (and I was at a radical, if not elite, CA uni in the mid 90s, pursuing a grad degree in Ingles), I would surely embrace an Obama fo-po that in turn embraces the tenets of P-S. I sure don’t see it as yet. P-S surely defines how I look at the world. The collapse of reductive, absurd binaries (in our politics and media vacuity, the 2 answers to every complex problem, thus maintaining the status quo), and the embrace of multiplicity and the inherent subjectivity that defines our indiv. ideologies and, therefore, realities.
    ~
    I recommend a neo-Marxist, Terry Eagleton, as Derrida et al tend to speak in tongues. The gender theorists, Marxists, historicists etc. all fell under a larger rubric of post-structuralism, then at least. I’ve been detached from such electric philosophical discourse for nearly a decade. On a separate note, I find Buddhism (another defining thread in my world view, philosophically mind you) to parallel the tenets of P-S in a number of essential ways, whereas Christianity mirrors western discursive strategies and philosophy prior to the evolution MS mentions above.
    ~
    On a final note, I’m here in DC visiting my fams, off to see the Cherry Blossoms and the mall today with Moms, my own “lovely bride” still in Asia. Here’s hoping Joe’s mention of crazed terrorists targeting the district goes unrealized. Seems like there’s a mass shooting a day here. I prefer N. Korean rockets personally.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Didn’t philosophy take a subjective turn with Descartes back in the 1600′s?

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks for commenting, Oregon JC.

  • textee

    “Obama Too Is An American Exceptionalist”?

    -

    The grand poobah of the Blame America First crowd goes to Europe to address his adoring crowds of militant America haters and predictably blames America and apologizes for what America haters consider America’s “sins” and Time magazine calls the fool an “American Exceptionalist”?

  • 53_3

    Micheal:
    .
    You have posted some really great stuff lately. You do far, far better writing thought provoking issues then you do writing those GOP TP hitpieces.
    .
    Give those up and come back to the real world, where the full scope of your talents are on display!
    .
    The one thing I can say is that ‘exceptionalism’ is like religion – and Obama clearly recognizes that others will think their country is the greatest.
    .
    The real world.

  • 1runbabyrun

    Think about this question?

    Where would the world be if there was no America for the last 60 years?

    I have come to the conclusion that America’s place in the world is unique.

  • Manish Thakur

    Here is an article from Daily Exception that you should read
    The American Exception Is Alive And Well
    http://dailyexception.com/2009/03/12/the-american-exception-is-alive-and-well/

  • dartagnansblade

    Did someone say “Slick Willie”? Jesus …as weak and hideous as Bush was I will take him over this Chicago way lawyer and day of the week. Christ ….he has broken most of his “change” promises in less time than it took Clinton to get a BJ in the oval office. His innvocations and scripted teleprompting replies to questions are about as truthful as a mobsters testamony, his staff and cabinet are full of left over crooks and liars from previous admins. His AG has already gone a political way and shut the “transparency’ door…..We were snookered.. America is exceptional, anybody who pays attention even a little understands that…(under 30 college grads and left over 60′s radical ponytailed adolescents excluded)

  • sacredh

    Take Bush over Obama? Please. Take Bush and go away. Reality no longer needs your services.

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  • http://afeatheradrift.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-ugly-american/ The Ugly American? « A Feather Adrift

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  • http://ikejakson.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/building-bridges-burning-others-an-incredible-journey-special-update-for-swampland/ Building Bridges, Burning Others – An incredible Journey Special Update for Swampland « Ike Jakson’s Blog

    [...]  Obama Too Is An American Exceptionalist [...]

  • http://thefastertimes.com/blog/2009/11/27/afghanistan-obama-and-us-power/ Obama, Afghanistan and U.S. Power | Foreign Policy

    [...] He made this clear in a comment he made a few months into his term that indicated that while Obama believes the U.S. can play a special role in the world, he also understands that the U.S. is not the only country that can, or [...]

  • http://federalistpaupers.com/index.php/2009/12/01/finally-2/ Federalist Paupers » Blog Archive » FINALLY!

    [...] I cannot support a movement that believes that the United States should be the sole global power, should sustain a permanent war machine to police the entire planet, and sees violence as the core tool for international relations. [...]

  • http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/12/13/whats-a-national-security-conservative-to-do-with-barack-obama/ What’s A (National Security) Conservative To Do With Barack Obama? – Swampland – TIME.com

    [...] to a single sentence, which he decided was an outrage. Obama's full answer was much more nuanced. Here is the full transcript (emphasis mine): Q Thank you, Mr. President. In the context of all the [...]

  • http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/dumbest-2/ Dumbest headline of the week « Fabius Maximus

    [...] Source: blog of Time magazine, 4 April [...]

  • http://www.drasties.com/?p=12548 Drasties – Dutch on the World – World on the Dutch

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  • http://www.politicususa.com/en/palin-obama-america Sarah Palin Charges that Obama Denies America’s Greatness

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  • http://gopclownshow.com/sarah-palin-attacks-obama/ Sarah Palin Attacks President Obama’s Patriotism

    [...] that Palin has chopped an Obama quote in order to portray him as hating America. Here is Obama’s full quote, “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British [...]

  • http://justabovesunset.wordpress.com/2010/09/13/the-limits-of-nostalgia-as-a-political-philosophy/ The Limits of Nostalgia as a Political Philosophy | Just Above Sunset

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  • http://libertyfreemedia.com/2011/05/taking-exception-to-american-exceptionalism/ Taking Exception to American Exceptionalism | Liberty Free Media

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  • http://www.city-data.com/forum/connecticut/1366410-rick-perry-sure-dont-have-my-11.html#post20733121 Rick Perry sure dont have my vote… that statement about Conn just a turn off – Page 11 – City-Data Forum

    [...] [LEFT]This thread cracks me up, for it exposes both wings, left and right, as being hypocritical. Below is a well known Obama quote spoken early in his term. Lefties had no issue with it, by and large. Right-wingers did. Perry and 49 other govs, 48 of whom would no doubt say the same about Ct or any state but their own, are simply believers , as they should be, in their own states exceptionalism. So the lefties who had no issue with Obama's statement below should back Perry on his remarks. The right-wingers who back perry's remarks should back Obama's remarks copied below. To back just 1 of 2, no matter the 1, is hypocritical. acknowledging that the fact that he held this belief was not so, well, exceptional. “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism,” the president said. Read more: Obama Too Is An American Exceptionalist | Swampland[/LEFT] [...]

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    [...] rejects American exceptionalism and said that he referred to it “derisively,’ when the record shows that Obama endorsed the idea in almost identical terms as Romney. These are not irrelevant [...]

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