Public Suspiciously Well-Informed

Your posts do not help with that informedness on the part of the public. Might want to do something about that.

What do you mean with all this “Suspiciously?”

It’s probably just me but the tone of this seems a bit condescending.

PNNTO, not just you.

You do realize that the commenters at this site are probably the most highly educated (trolls excluded) individuals you are going to run into on a daily basis. You don’t actually think they would score below 100%. Perhaps you could have been added a bit more difficulty by asking how much it took for China to surpass Japan as the top loan officer over Japan or not?

I’m not sure this research proves anything. Most of the questions were pointless trivia. Knowing the jobs that Hillary and Geitner hold does not make one well informed. Knowing and understanding the policies they are advocating makes one well informed.

I am highly educated–I think you’ve called me a troll in here before.
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In any event, the public is probably better informed than many elected officials:
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

But of course, Amy, you failed to draw the line from A to B:
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If what you claim is true, that Americans are indeed “suspiciously” well informed, then you might try to carry that thought a tweensy bit further:
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Given that they are, as you say, “suspiciously” well informed*, just how do you think they stack up against the Anointed One and His Dittoheads? Do you think that maybe, they might come to the conclusion that Rush Limbaugh only talks out that tiny hole at the end of his penile member?
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You decide…
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*Only Republicans look on being well informed as suspicious

Um, spob, Fox?
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You really think Fox stands out much higher than, say, Pravda, when it comes to accuracy?
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Remember, spob, these individuals she speaks of are well informed and aren’t as likely as you to run from imaginary commies and socialists and lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

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Pravda? Really? I’m not under any illusions about Fox’s use of “truthiness”, but Pravda? No, not even close. Not remotely.

Fox is much better than NYTimes or WaPo–I can say that for sure.
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One of these days you’ll have to explain your obsession with Rush’s genitalia. I’m cool if you roll that way, but don’t people who roll that way have taste, or at least that’s the stereotype.

“truthiness”, you mean like Rather’s fake but accurate nonsense?

Spob,
Do your links EVER have anything to do with the topic at hand or any bearing on the current discussion? I’m beginning to think you suffer from an attention disorder.

PD, so what? A little pivot doesn’t hurt anyone.

Sean,
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I was around when Pravda was the major propaganda organ of the USSR.
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Believe me, FOX is definately in that category.
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Oh, and BTW, half of you probably don’t even know what a real commie is!

“Fox is much better than NYTimes or WaPo–I can say that for sure.”
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Well, of course, spob.
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How better to feed your “recreational” anger.
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And the way your compatriots behaved in the recent past over the wrath of the Great White Whale, you, your party, and dittoheads in general do just what I imply.
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After all, spob, you simply cannot sell me on their intelligence.
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They don’t have any…

“”truthiness”, you mean like Rather’s fake but accurate nonsense?”
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You mean about your Chicken Hawk in Cheef?
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I think Rather got caught in a GOP 1st Amendment end-around for getting too close to the truth…

You really think Fox stands out much higher than, say, Pravda, when it comes to accuracy?
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What was it the Russian people used to say:
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“There is very little Isvestia (news) in Pravda, and absolutely no Pravda (truth) in Isvestia.”
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It’s more entertaining when you know the meanings for the two words.
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Think any of the above applies to Faux Noise?

You mean about your Chicken Hawk in Cheef?
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I think Rather got caught in a GOP 1st Amendment end-around for getting too close to the truth…
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Don’t know of many who were around during Vietnam, who knew the politics of getting into Guard and Reserve units during that time, who didn’t think that the essence of Rather’s story was correct.
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The bruhaha over the document(s) was a distraction, as it was intended to be.

“You can take the quiz yourself here (pretend I didn’t just give you three of the answers above).”
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That’s okay Amy. I don’t want to take advantage of your hard work of looking up the answers yourself. I sure it was made even more difficult having to look the the smug veil you are suspiciously wearing today.

Suspiciously well informed? They believe in UFO’s! Holy Cow! Next you’ll be telling us that most people believe in Creationism. I’m laughing all the way up the evolutionary ladder.

Uh, it’s a multiple-choice quiz. An aggregate score of 58% on a multiple choice question doesn’t equal well-informed. In fact, it equals pretty damned stupid.

afguy:
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These guys are mostly under-40-somethings who think they really know something, but they don’t know squat. Rove was certainly what I call the janitor in charge of making sure the GOP becomes the traditional party of government. They don’t know what a real communist is, or what a ‘socialist’ is, or even what a ‘terrorst’ is. They are running from their shadows.
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The fact is, that I am glad that Amy finds that being well informed is “suspicious” and that people like spob and sean want to play the Great White Whale’s flute. That brouhaha was the most abjectly embarrassing (even from the point of view of an observer) display of Republican lack of dignity of self.
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And from that spob should be able to extract the reason for my commentary. Spob, sean, and other Republicans act like jail tweeties when it comes to Rush. I’m just observing the self degrading embarrassment of their conduct.

I’m working on a piece myself, it’s called:
“Amy Sullivan suspiciously employed”

Amazing that people in here actually defend Dan Rather . . . . Guess moonbats have no shame–anything for the cause.

And 53_3, I don’t even listen to Rush Limbaugh, so how can I play his flute?

” More people can name a Jonas Brother than a Supreme Court Justice! A shocking percentage don’t know which party controls Congress! They believe in UFOs!”
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Ha, ha, ha, those f@cking idiots who believe in UFO’s! What a bunch of idiots, especially the astronauts who think they saw them on space flights. Probably they just saw Jesus doing his morning space walk excercise. They are stupid, Amy Sullivan is smart. Amy is smart because she believes in an old white guy in the sky who watches our each and every move and created the earth 6,000 years ago. I tell you one thing, those UFO’s don’t love us like Jesus does, especially when he holds us to his bosom by giving us small pox and herpes! Thanx Jesus! You’re a pal!

Amy, what exactly is suspicious about Americans knowing about the number one issue that has been in the news lately? Some people actually watch the news between watching American Idol and Jeopardy. Even the people who watch Faux Noise can learn the basics about the economy after sifting through all of the Republican propaganda.
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One final point about this abomination of a post; UFO’s are Unidentified Flying Objects. People report UFO’s all the time; many times they are aircraft, weather balloons, or some other object that can be explained. UFO’s are not something that can be believed or not. Now if you are talking about Aliens flying in UFO’s that is another subject. Although, it is not as much of a stretch for me to believe that aliens exist, as believing in a supernatural being that created everything and is omnipotent.

Amazing that people in here actually defend Dan Rather . . . . Guess moonbats have no shame–anything for the cause.
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The cause, spob?
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Dan Rather was sending back news reports from the streets of Saigon during the Tet Offensive in 1968 while under fire (if you’re even old enough to remember that).
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Exactly what did he do here? Dare to report that George Bush might have gotten preferential treatment to gain entry into a Texas guard unit flying F-102s? Guess what? That’s the way entry into the guard worked back then. Today’s guard is a far cry from that one then.
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Every boy of draft age knew the process – you put your name on a list and the waiting period was always much longer than the time needed for the draft board to get to you. Those with the right connections got a call – the others didn’t and either went to the AF or Navy recruiters or went into the Army/Marines as draftees.
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Same for the officers (except they pretty much had to be college grads).
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I’ve worked on his aircraft type – he was NOT ever going to SEA because those aircraft had already been pulled out of there – systems were too obsolete. And pilots are qualified as to type of aircraft they fly.
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As far as I am concerned, he did get that type of treatment because it was far from unusual for the “well connected” to be able to do so back then.
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Throw in Cheney, and it’s easy to understand why some feel that REAL mandatory service should be a requirement for everyone, just as it is in Israel.

Is it suspicious because you and your colleagues have tried your hardest to obscure the important with minutiae?
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These people are total idiots:
2006 O’Hare International Airport UFO sighting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O'Hare_International_Airport_UFO_sighting

cincy, fix your link. Idiot.

oh, nevermind…I see what happened.

somepeoplelikeit, learn how to copy and paste moron.

yea, I was going to click it…like it was intended to work and of course it didn’t…so I thought I’d let you know and to show I wasn’t being an a-hole I put a little smiley face for you. Of course I copied and pasted it after I realized your mistake. Your mistake. Nice talk.

“Fake but accurate”, ’nuff said. Guys, you cannot embellish a journalistic jihad with made up documents. Come on. Don’t they teach that in Journalism 101? Or does it matter if the target is a Republican?

And by the way, it’s “moran”
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http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg

I certainly don’t know what is suspicious about Americans knowing the names of the people in charge of rebuilding our national/international economy, and the goofiness of this post annoys me. But what the post does tell me is the economic crises has been a major slap up-side the head to everyone, and I think that’s a good thing. Most of us (myself included) have been guilty of trusting our elected officials, those they appoint, and the system in general, way too much in the past, and look where that has put us! The actions of Bush&Co, the election of BHO, and the economic crisis have hopefully snapped Americans into a new and improved responsibility to keep informed and engaged in our public discourse.

Or does it matter if the target is a Republican?
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I’m detecting a pattern here . . .
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Seems like every Republican recently who is shown to have been unethical or is actually convicted of doing something is the victim of a “witch hunt” or “embellishment” of the case against them. And it seem that you believe that, if the case is not perfection personified, it is to be thrown out entirely.
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I see no evidence of the concept of “preponderence of evidence” with you, only a search for loopholes to escape through. Stevens (R), innocent, guilty of a “witch hunt”. Bush (R), victim of a “journalistic jihad”. Siegelman (D), guilty and a crook. The possibility that he might have been the victim of a “witch hunt” seems to escape you. Is it because he’s a Democrat?
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If I recall, Karen Hughes and others from Bush’s circle were tasked with “scrubbing” George’s Guard files. “Scrubbing” is, by definition, a process to remove dirt.
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When you start calling out Repubs for their corruption when it’s proven or open for all to see, I’ll take your complaints seriously.
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Otherwise, look in the mirror, spob. You’re just as guilty as those you accuse.

I love Swampland. I wish they’d dispense with the cuss filter though.

spob singlehandedly disproves the central thesis of AS’s post.

I love Swampland. I wish they’d dispense with the cuss filter though.
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sacredh,
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Me, too. There are times I need it (see above). However, I just compensate with the random keystrokes (#$%^!@). It gets the point across. And the $s are always useful too.

afguy, perhaps it has escaped you–I am not defending Stevens. I am just saying that the deck was unfairly stacked against him.
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As for Bush, I cannot believe that you are defending Rather. The dox were faked.
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As for Siegelman, they held hearings on this. All they got was some lunatic yapping about Rove. I.e., no “there” there. We don’t conduct fishing expeditions on such a basis.
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Guys, you can call me stupid all you want. But let’s not forget who got their collective butts whipped over the AIG bonuses, the Rahm mess and who wussed out over a fight over media bias. It wasn’t my butt that got whipped.

sacredh, you must not have been here during the great Swamp crash of 2008. They lost everything including the platform and had to drag it bit by bit into WordPress. The High Sheriffs really worked hard to re-create the old Swamp.
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However, in the beginning it was like a word puzzle because if any of the forbidden words appeared anywhere within a word the post was blocked. Karen worked very hard to intervene for us and we have what we have now. I am very grateful. There were times when it was very hard to figure out what part of what word put one’s post into purgatory. Some commenters had to change their names. That’s why it is g_crush instead of grape_crush, for example. I forget the others, but I’ll happily use the random keys for the moments requiring explitives as opposed to trying to guess cuss words within words!

Breaking my rule not to engage, but…
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But let’s not forget who got their collective butts whipped over the AIG bonuses, the Rahm mess and who wussed out over a fight over media bias. It wasn’t my butt that got whipped.
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spob, don’t assume anything because people may just get tired of trying to be rational with you or choose not to enter into discussions with you.

The biggest fishing expedition of all time was the Bill Clinton witch hunt. 7 years, hundreds of investigators, 50 million tax payer dollars and you nailed him for a blowjob. Pearls were clutched, smelling salts were passed around. The republicans were upset because he had relations with a WOMAN. Ewwwww.

sacredh

Does the name “Billy Dale” mean anything to you?

Ivy_B: I was an observer but not a poster when that happened. I lurked for a few months before I decided to engage in the discussions. I wasn’t sure if I could hold my own. I’m still not. ; )

Maybe so, Ivy, but the AIG bonus thread got awful quiet after I dropped the September/March issue.

If you’re talking about the so called Travelgate Billy Dale, then yes. The commission said it was an ethical failure of the Clinton White House. A minor failure compared to the constant ethical failures (or complete lack of ethics) of the Bush/Cheney White House. Is that the one you mean?

I am just saying that the deck was unfairly stacked against him.
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I will agree that the prosecutors screwed up. Only question in my mind is why – incompetence or laying groundwork for an easy appeal. Don’t think that alters the point that he was guilty of a lot, though.
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As for Bush, I cannot believe that you are defending Rather. The dox were faked.
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I take it then they found the originals? Don’t think Rather was the one that faked them though. Did they ever find the proof that GWB filled his service obligation? Seem to remember holes in his records that couldn’t be explained or found.
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As to the original issue that GWB was assigned to a Guard unit through GHWB’s influence that others got would have had trouble getting into, I have no problem seeing that. As I said, it was common back then.
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As for Siegelman, they held hearings on this. All they got was some lunatic yapping about Rove. I.e., no “there” there. We don’t conduct fishing expeditions on such a basis.
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Seem to remember that Siegelman originally wasn’t charged. As to the “lunatic”, as you put it, wasn’t that an attorney involved in the case?
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Case was reopened after increased interest from WH. As to the hearings, recall that Rove and WH refused to cooperate, citing “exec privilege”. Hearings were basically asking a repub panel to reconsider. I’d still like to see that investigated, like they did with Stevens, looking for prosecutorial mis-behavior.
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Like I said, though, you’ll get a better discussion with others if you use less inflamatory terms to describe anyone you don’t agree with.

How I miss a good tussle:
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“And 53_3, I don’t even listen to Rush Limbaugh, so how can I play his flute?”
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Doesn’t every Republican say that? I’ve heard Hulagate and I don’t know how many others say that. I’m waiting spob for you to tell me next your not a Republican.
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I’ve heard that one, too!
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I call it the Arkele syndrome:
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wasn’ me!

spob, don’t assume anything because people may just get tired of trying to be rational with you or choose not to enter into discussions with you.
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Ivy_B,
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It IS an uphill climb to do that, at times.

I’m confused spob — The AIG bonus contracts were entered into during the Bush administration and the percentage of the public that blames the financial industry 81, the percentage of the public that blames Bush 70, the percentage of the public that blames Obama 27 and that’s just about all the Republicans that are left — priceless.
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Republican Senator Ted Stevens had the decked stacked against him by a DOJ with A Republican as the Attorney General right? Okay so let me get this straight — The Republican Attorney General’s claim to fame is to politicize the DOJ, fires US attorney’s that refuse to file bogus claims against Democrats, but hires those who belong to the right clubs, read the right books and vote the right way. Yet with all that right wing supervision they managed to let their oldest sitting senator to get rolled on their watch by their executive branch — again priceless.
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Spob – I hate to break it to you but if it wasn’t for stupidity there wouldn’t be any brain activity at all.

yo! spob!
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Here you are:
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All the other relevant information that wasn’t faked:
http://www.realchange.org/bushjr.htm#vietnam

Tiresome.
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Sacredh, if bringing a politically motivated bs charge against some poor bastard is a “minor failure”, then I’d hate to see a major failure.
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Dee, if you think that the AG or Bush Administration could have overruled the career guys re: stevens, you’re smoking crack.

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53_3, the Bush Guard stuff . . . . I don;t feel like relooking at all that crap. Seems so 2004. The link you have is slanted and wrong–I just don’t feel like debunking it. The reporting sucked, and that’s that.

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Re: Siegelman, the Conyers hearing will let us know soon enough.

“Seems so 2004″
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Next to the Arkele syndrome, you Repubs have a bad habit of claiming conveniently that the past is the past, especially when it bites you in the present!
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Havn’t I heard that one about a million times!
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As for the veracity of the site, it’s not slanted at all, Dems are well represented.
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Afer all, only FOX is ‘fair and balanced’…

53_3, I am not claiming that. The pulling of strings to get into Guard units isn’t right, and shouldn’t happen. But given Bill Clinton’s evasion, well, you guys have lost all cred on that. And I’ve read otherwise–I am just not really all that interested in rehashing the whole thing.
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By the way, Kerry didn’t exactly cover himself with honor with his three Purple Heart and book maneuver either. Not saying that I wouldn’t have done the same, although I hope that, as a commissioned officer, I would not have.

Bill Clinton?
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His ceegar was smoked spob.
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Your guy took advantage of his superior position to evade service to our country.
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Damn, these false equivalancies!
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That was a desparately weak throw into the standa, spob….

“I am just not really all that interested in rehashing the whole thing.”
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Well, like any Republican, when loozing a battle of the wits, go for the Clinton bomb and claim that you weren’t the one rehashing.
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Like I said spob, you’re even dumber than I thought. You buy this load of relentless stupidity even though you have the brains to figger it out.
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As for the “rehash”, you brought it up!

I propose that the name of this blog be changed from Swampland to Lonesome Spooge’s Cracker Barrel.

Of course, let’s not even mention the rampant corruption of K Street, Haliburton, Blackwater, no bid contracts, Paulson and Benanke’s tossing open the back door of the treasury to the tune of a minimum of 7,200,000,000,000 dollars.
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And lets not mention to spob that it is that money that AIG was partying on!
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Credability?
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Only on Pravda, er, I mean FOX…

Howdy Y’all!
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Welcome to Lonesome Spooge’s Cracker Barrel!
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Amy Sullivan’s In Here Someplace, But She Won’t Never Talk to the Likes of YOU!
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Yee-Hah!
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Works for me.

A Tune for the Lovely Couple:
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Is that what this is? It does sound sorta hollow when I talk…

Ill informed? Definately yes. George W. Bush. I rest my case.

53_3: Way up there you implied that Rather was right when he ran those documents (later proved to be forged with Microsoft Word, gg) that said Bush skipped out on his National Guard duty. This allegation has been refuted on three separate occasions, and every time it is, the people who so badly want(ed) it to be true conclude…….more investigation is needed! Look, I disagreed with lots of what Bush did, especially in his 2nd term, but there is not a shred of proof in that allegation. USUALLY in that sort of situation, the investigation is dropped, I guess this is an exception. This was so bad that even CBS had to fire him.

And anyone who lambasts Fox and watches MSNBC is a hypocrite of the highest order. As for CNN, I think it’s become more balanced recently (may explain it’s drop in ratings…what a sad age we live in when moderation= less viewers).

apollyon07:
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That’s only one document. There are others to be found on that post upstream from here.
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CBS fired him because of right wing pressure.
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As for FOX, hells bells apollyon07, the only reason you feel that way is because they say what you like and the feed your “recreational” anger.
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I have a hunch that I’m a fair amount older than you, and I know a propaganda organ when I see one, and like a commenter upstream said:
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“…there’s little Isvestia in …”* FOX.
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*Quote describing Russian saying about Soviet organ Pravda.

No, 53_3, I do not watch Fox News, I watch CNN, I thought maybe that would’ve been obvious given what I said about it. Besides bias, I find Fox News to be unprofessional and fluffy in its reporting. Sort of the same with MSNBC. And of course there was right wing pressure (not that it mattered to CBS) but mainly I think he was fired because he hastily and irresponsibly ran documents that turned out to be forged by a foaming-at-the-mouth, half-crazy zealot. And as far as the national guard issue goes, there’s no way of knowing that for sure I guess unless definitive evidence is given (ie, innocent until proven guilty). However, when it comes to politics, especially election politics, this principle typically flies out the window for the sake of having a story (such as that McCain affair thing with the NYT, Whitewater, and about 10,000 things with Obama).