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Populist Rage? …Never Mind

A certain newsmagazine–hint: not this one–has put Populist Rage on its cover this week and features a series of essays, several quite good, about all the fury churning out there in pitchfork land. I suppose that there is a fair amount of anger about, especially with stories like this one popping up on an almost daily basis. I certainly loved every minute of Jon Stewart’s takedown of Jim Cramer. It got to the heart of the crime: selling, and insuring–and making huge, bonus-driven fortunes off on–piles of mortgages that were bound to go unpaid is a Ponzi fantasy, of Madoffian enormity, even if each of those mortgages represents an actual home that can, and will, eventually, be resold.

So, yes, people are “angry” at Wall Street. They are also “angry” at Octomom. I wonder if the depth and quality of those two rages differ–or is this all just a television show? I mean, how many demonstrations, how many economic riots, have there been? There have been real free-for-alls, featuring real violence and bloodshed, in places like China, where the level of societal unfairness and desperation makes our own not-insignificant inequities seem like a workers’ paradise. There used to be economic riots and marches here–back in the Great Depression, and further back in the populist era of the late 19th century. But none lately. There doesn’t even seem to be significant movement in the polls, which are our own, latter-day way of marching on Washington.

There is a real crisis out there. It has existed for a while. It has been spreading slowly as factory after factory has shut down, as the gap between rich and poor ballooned, as the rich found ways to get richer betting on exotic financial instruments with all the economic substance of a roulette wheel, as the middle class found it harder to pay for college, for health care, for gasoline.

But most of the anger we see and hear comes from people who are paid to be angry, on cue, on cable television–as opposed to people with actual grievacnes. Suddenly, the White House press corps goes barking mad over the AIG Bonuses. It is said that the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that the “public” can understand; in truth, the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that reporters can understand. Suddenly, the Obama Administration has a “crisis.” The President has to go on television and act as if he’s angry, even though he knows these bonuses are the tiniest outcropping of outrageousness. (I mean, AIG insured mortgage-backed instruments that any qualified CPA could have seen were as solid as a soap bubble and thereby came close to bringing down the world’s financial system–that’s outrageous.)

The problem with outrage is that it occludes vision. Today Geithner proposes a bank bailout plan. The markets love it–the Dow is up 350 points as I write–and so we can move on. No more calls for Tim’s head; the bank thing actually may get straightened out. Uh…so where’s the next Octomom? Does Novamom lurk? What’s A-Rod up to this week? The trouble is, Geithner’s plan–if it works–is only the beginning. We need a new set of rules to prevent the wizards from short-sheeting our pension money. We need an informed public to stay vigilant and make sure banking lobbyists don’t shred the thing in committee. (New York Senator Chuck Schumer, before he got so outraged last week, stood athwart a plan to have hedge fund managers pay regular tax rates, rather than capital gains, on their management fees.)

If you want to be angry about something, get pissed at a media culture that goes beserk about bonuses one week and forgets all about them the next. And be worried, quite worried, about a society for whom anger is a form of entertainment.

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  • destor23

    Nah, I still want Geithner’s head. Now he’s trying to give my money to bunch of hedge funds.

  • http://tinselwing.wordpress.com/ nicteis

    “It is said that the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that the “public” can understand; in truth, the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that reporters can understand.”
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    For a second there, Mr. Klein sounded just like a blogger.

    It’s not Geithner’s head I want. Yet. It’s Joseph Cassano’s.

  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    I remember back during the Rodney King riots in LA the media spent a bunch of time talking about “black rage” and how it was being violently expressed in the civil unrest.
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    About two years later I read a really interesting article talking about “white rage” and how it was expressed nationwide in response to the riots and the assault on Reginald Denny.
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    The piece talked about how “white rage” (probably more accurately defined as “middle-class rage” now) wasn’t expressed and purged all at once in a big violent display. It was expressed over time, in the voting booth and with peoples’ wallets. Right now the really rich dorkbags that caused this whole mess are getting bailed out and throwing enough smoke and babbleygook to fool some of the people some of the time. But it’s not going to last much longer, if it even still is working.
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    You’re going to see this “middle class rage” expressed in tighter regulations, smaller banks, and higher tax rates. It might take some time to get the message across, but for the twenty years there won’t be an easier way for a politician to burnish his “people” credentials then by going after wall street and corporate fat cats.
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    The media might have a short attention span, and the public too, but this is one of those “them people are bad” shifts that last a generation. The backlash is still just beginning to form.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    If you want to be angry about something, get pissed at a media culture that goes beserk about bonuses one week and forgets all about them the next.
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    Media bashing with Joe Klein? Sign me up.
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    CNBC is an embarrassment. But can we take this fight to the broader media? How can people who are paid to discuss politics and public affairs constantly use the DJIA as a sole measure of “the economy”? Do people like David Gregory and Chris Matthews, whose schtick relies heavily on the pose of ‘Regular Guy’, really not know that they are in the top 1% of the socio-economic pyramid?
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    And to broaden the discussion still further: EJ Dionne has a nice take down of the Beltway Lemmings’ and the Obama-Doing-Too-Much talking point they’re all feeding on.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “We need an informed public to stay vigilant and make sure banking lobbyists don’t shred the thing in committee.”
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    And through which mechanism will the public be informed? You aren’t suggesting that the same media that ignored the building crisis for decades is now capable of informing the public are you? Watch the Stewart/Cramer stuff again, I don’t think you got the point Stewart was trying to make.
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    No the rage is there but the moment’s not right. People aren’t going to run out and start burning things down, but they’re thinking about it. There is a tipping point though, and when reached, it will happen bigger and faster than you imagined it could.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Well finally, commenters have been screaming about this kind of destructuive, childish behavior for months to no avail. It’s gratifying to see that someone gets it but I wish Joe Klein didn’t just point a finger at Newsweek and the national press corp because there are also a number of reporters here at Time willing to engage in the virtual food fight at the expense of our nation.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    I like this one, Joe — thanks!
    And thanks for keeping your eye on the Middle East, although once again by comment count you can see that that’s just not where our minds are at these days.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It is said that the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that the “public” can understand; in truth, the bonuses are an aspect of the bust that reporters can understand.
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    If you want to be angry about something, get pissed at a media culture that goes beserk about bonuses one week and forgets all about them the next.
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    Can I get a hallelujah!
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    The situation we find ourselves in has been developing over YEARS. Both the income disparity and the lack of underlying value behind investment schemes have been brewing for years but report on it would have required research and risked censure.
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    So much easier to go for the easy hit. Even today, people are desparately struggling to understand what is going on and the need for repsonsible reporting is at an apex, instead we just get fingertpointing and speculation. I won’t even begin to address the utter distraction that comes from examining every utterance the President speaks, hoping for a slip to pounce upon.
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    http://phd9.blogspot.com/2009/02/much-of-our-political-thought-involves.html

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    oops that’s destructive — preview is my friend

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I think the idea that the recipients of these bonuses will be suffer in some serious way is an indication of some level of rage. Not an entertaining version, either.

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
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    Today Geithner proposes a bank bailout plan. The markets love it–the Dow is up 350 points as I write–and so we can move on. No more calls for Tim’s head; the bank thing actually may get straightened out.
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    What?
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    That’s it?
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    That’s your analysis of the situation?
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    That’s what you have to say about the plan?
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    Aren’t you conflating real concern –and yes, even outrage– over Geithner’s plan with bullsh*t, business-as-usual outrage over petty nothing, rightist political games and angry, stupid ordinary people who don’t understand the world like you, Joe Klein?
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    Isn’t that the same kind of conflation that you did in the run up to the war? Didn’t you make the mistake of conflating the drum-playing, dreadlocked ANSWER semi-pro protesters with real dissent that found a real reason to be angry?
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    Look, you’ve got the same people who were right all along about the war, the people who said over and over again “No, don’t do it! Don’t do it! If you vote for that resolution, we’re going to war! Damn! They voted for it. Now you’ve got to…Damn it! He’s going to war! Sh*t! We’re at war, now…” –those people– telling you that there’s a big problem with this scheme.
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    If you can’t understand what they’re saying, if you’re not going to even make an effort to understand what the problems are, then it’s truly dishonest and wrong for you to throw the “right all along” people into the same opinion trash can as the “porkulus” people and your vapid, personality and scandal obsessed colleagues.
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    Unmix your message, and get to what’s really important.
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    Don’t tell us that reporters are to blame for focusing on the petty outrage –and then tell us not to worry our pretty little heads about what Geithner is proposing. That’s ridiculous.
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    There’s plenty of good points you have to make about what’s happening, but if you’re not going to make the effort we’re all trying to make out here in commentary-land to understand what the government is proposing to do, then you need to confine yourself to those points, Joe Klein. Don’t tell us to “move on”. That’s not how democracy works.
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    It’s not our fault that it’s only us out here in commentary-land who are taking this thing seriously, Joe. It’s not our fault that we can’t get a real debate on cable news to save our lives.
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    Why don’t you talk to Meet The Press’ producers about having a real panel of economists on instead of CNBC’s Erin Burnett. Better yet, talk to them about getting an informed discussion moderator, instead of David Gregory.
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    It’s not our fault that we, the outraged, have to be the ones to be having the serious discussion over our future all by ourselves. Outrage over Geithner’s plan and the outrage on cable news programs are not the same thing, and it’s dishonest of you to say so.
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    …and, by the way, you’re not helping when you write
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    It got to the heart of the crime: selling, and insuring–and making huge, bonus-driven fortunes off on–piles of mortgages that were bound to go unpaid is a Ponzi fantasy, of Madoffian enormity, even if each of those mortgages represents an actual home that can, and will, eventually, be resold.
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    , and leave readers with the impression that “those mortgages” are actually what will be bought with Federal Reserve money by the hedge funds at Geithner’s “auction”. That’s a patently false impression you’re giving people with that misleading statement, so stop commenting on the plan if you can’t be bothered to know what’s in it.

  • FlownOver

    I’m a lot more concerned about the cynical exploitation of that rage (actually, probably better described as cumulative frustration) for the sake of votes, campaign contributions and/or ratings points. Rage is just our Angry Shiny Object, and if that’s all a pol or a reporter can contribute we don’t really have enough unemployment yet.

  • sqr1

    It got to the heart of the crime: selling, and insuring–and making huge, bonus-driven fortunes off on–piles of mortgages that were bound to go unpaid is a Ponzi fantasy, of Madoffian enormity, even if each of those mortgages represents an actual home that can, and will, eventually, be resold.
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    Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but I still don’t understand why Joe Klein thinks it matters that “actual homes” still retain some value. So what? If I bet on a horse to win the Kentucky Derby and it comes in last, my wagers are 100% worthless. It is no comfort to say that the horse still retains some breeding value. Who cares? I, the bettor, won’t see a penny of that income.

  • sqr1

    Oops, looks like SZ beat me to the punch.

  • stuartzechman

    I just can’t get over this:
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    the bank thing actually may get straightened out
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    Yes, if capable citizens make an effort to understand what the “bank thing” is, and don’t leave the job of knowing entirely to technocrats who may or may not see “an economy in recovery” in the same terms as the rest of us.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I’m sorry SZ but I think you’ve missed the point of this post to focus on the issue you want to talk about. Now granted, the issue you bring up about the banks, the plan and the overall economy may be right I have no idea, but this post speaks to the media echo chamber that distorts the importance of frivolous issues like the bonuses and smile-gate and ignores major issues that we need to discuss.
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    We haven’t had many opportunities to discuss the role the media has played in tanking our economy, as well as their insistence on being part of the problem going forward. Frankly, I’d prefer it if no one changed the subject, even if the issue they use is more important than the usual fare used by the media to shift our attention.

  • FlownOver

    “We need an informed public to stay vigilant and make sure banking lobbyists don’t shred the thing in committee.”
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    Great Idea, Joe. Let’s see… if only there were some institution intended to inform the public instead of writing about, say, songs posted on YouTube.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    I am going to post the very abbreviated version of a comment I made earlier on Ballon-Juice
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    In this program one of two things will happen. Either the toxic assets will end up being worthless, the hedgefunds will default on the loan and thus giving up the money they intially put up and the government meaning us in this instance will take a bath. Or the hedgefunds will find a way to make money off the toxic assets in which case the governement again meaning us will join in the profits to the tune of 80%. That the hedgefund crowd aren’t putting up as much as the government (we) are doesn’t mean they won’t have a vested interest in turning in a profit. I doubt if they will want to just throw good money after bad even if comparatively its not near as much as the government (we) put in. In the meantime the toxic assets will be off the books of the big banks and lending should resume shortly thereafter. The fact that hedgefunders will make money off the deal doesn’t concern me since if they make money then so will we. What concerns me is that instead they won’t be able to pull it off and we all end up taking a bath. Still in the end if it spurs lending again I personally think the risk is worth it.

  • stuartzechman

    I’m very sorry, Dee, but if he had left out “Today Geithner proposes a bank bailout plan. The markets love it–the Dow is up 350 points as I write–and so we can move on. No more calls for Tim’s head; the bank thing actually may get straightened out.“, I’d be jumping up and down for joy. You must know this!
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    He’s telling us that an angry response to the plan is as irresponsible as the stupid Newsweek “story”.
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    I don’t want to talk about the plan if Joe doesn’t, so I’ll stop right there, unless the conversation starts to go something like:
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    Joe Klein is so right! I hate the media! Why can’t they just leave Geithner alone to fix everything, and stop all of this petty outrage!
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    , in which case I truly believe debate may be necessary.
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    The virtues of public anger and the need for more
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    With lightning speed and lockstep unanimity, opinion-making elites jointly embraced and are now delivering the same message about the public rage triggered this week by the AIG bonus scandal: This scandal is insignificant. It’s just a distraction. And, most important of all, public anger is unhelpful and must be contained or, failing that, ignored.
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    This anti-anger consensus among our political elites is exactly wrong. The public rage we’re finally seeing is long, long overdue, and appears to be the only force with both the ability and will to impose meaningful checks on continued kleptocratic pillaging and deep-seated corruption in virtually every branch of our establishment institutions. The worst possible thing that could happen now is for this collective rage to subside and for the public to return to its long-standing state of blissful ignorance over what the establishment is actually doing.
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    It makes perfect sense that those who are satisfied with the prevailing order — because it rewards them in numerous ways — are desperate to pacify public fury. Thus we find unanimous decrees that public calm (i.e., quiet) be restored. It’s a universal dynamic that elites want to keep the masses in a state of silent, disengaged submission, all the better if the masses stay convinced that the elites have their best interests at heart and their welfare is therefore advanced by allowing elites — the Experts — to work in peace on our pressing problems, undisrupted and “undistracted” by the need to placate primitive public sentiments.
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    While that framework is arguably reasonable where the establishment class is competent, honest, and restrained, what we have had — and have — is exactly the opposite: a political class and financial elite that is rotted to the core and running amok. We’ve had far too little public rage given the magnitude of this rot, not an excess of rage. What has been missing more than anything else is this: fear on the part of the political and financial class of the public which they have been systematically defrauding and destroying.

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    I do take your point, though, Dee.

  • dunedweller

    people are “angry” at Wall Street. They are also “angry” at Octomom. I wonder if the depth and quality of those two rages differ
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    um, yes, I would say they differ vastly. I guess if your trying to single out AIG bonuses you may be closer to a point, but Wall Street as a target for anger and frustration is understandable. A lot of people don’t regularly play with stocks besides building on their SEPs or 401ks. For them, Wall Street represents the complicated longer explanation for events that ended up costing them half-a-lifetime’s worth of hard work and savings. I think that’s a bit more understandable target for outrage than some random woman with 8 babies.

  • carotexas1

    Good post Joe.
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    Nora O’donnell really pwnd Judd Gregg today. Great to see him so uncomfortable. Really worth watching if anyone knows how to get a clip.

  • dunedweller

    uggg, your = you’re (c’mon spell check, get smarter!)

  • shepherdwong

    “…What makes this rage “populist”? This is ordinary rage, rational and focused. The lead pitchfork bearers, after all, are people like New York Times business columnist Joe Nocera, who wrote that AIG’s Financial Practices Group was guilty of a “scam” at which “we should be furious.” You might more accurately call that common sense.
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    Casting my eye over the broader sweep of history, though, I no longer fear populism. The habit of messily dividing the world into “the people” and “the elite”—whether it’s left calling out right, or right calling out left—is distinctively, ineluctably American. It’s not going away. And there’s much more to it than the name-calling of angry political factions. It is the governing folk wisdom of a nation without an inherited aristocracy, distrustful of privilege that is not “earned.” It is our American common sense.”

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    Rick Perlstein (via Digby)
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    Common sense would tell you that people are outraged by the entire debacle being foisted on them by an elite class that has been relentlessly grabbing out-sized rewards for screwing the working class for decades, not just AIG bonuses. But this is a post about the media so I digress.
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    So I’m thinking of coining a new media acronym: OMBMFM, which stands for Of the Media, By the Media, For the Media. What do you think

  • http://tinselwing.wordpress.com/ nicteis

    Stuart, my (frazzled and incomplete) understanding of The Plan is that it stands on two legs. One is an auction in which the government assumes all of the downside risk for “loans”. The other is an auction in which the government fronts 50% of the money for “securities” (read: bet on a horse to win the Kentucky Derby).
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    I didn’t get what percentage of the taxpayers’ moolah is going into each of these pots. But the former, anyway, sounds to me pretty much like “an actual home” (or small business, or whatever) “that can and will eventually be resold”.
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    Obviously, the auctions are designed to force the garbage to be sold at well above current market value, and most likely at well above value, period. And, grating as it is, the banksters and hedgsters pocket the difference. But it seems to me that, in the case of the securities, investors won’t be willing to pay more than 20 cents for a face value of a dollar that they believe is worth only 10. And the banks won’t be willing to sell at those prices. In other words, for the securities auctions, if Geithner is way way off about the real worth of the paper, the result will be a no-op. So we have downside risk, but past a certain (large) amount, it’s limited by the sellers’ will to balk.
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    Meanwhile, the loans are by and large backed by some kind or other of actual collateral. So again, the taxpayers will recoup at least something.
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    The upshot of which sounds to my uneducated ear like The Plan is sure to be inefficient, but unlikely to be nothing more than money poured down a rathole.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Hey SZ I’m all for debate on the plans because my fundamental question still remains, I need to know who benefits and how before I can figure out whether its a good idea. But I still want to trash the media because I believe the reason we got here and the reason I don’t know which plan is best is because they are too busy asking what Obama’s laughter meant.

  • stuartzechman

    nicteis:
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    Stuart, my (frazzled and incomplete) understanding of The Plan is that it stands on two legs. One is an auction in which the government assumes all of the downside risk for “loans”. The other is an auction in which the government fronts 50% of the money for “securities” (read: bet on a horse to win the Kentucky Derby).
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    I’m sorry, per Dee, I’m trying to keep this a discussion of the points about media and public anger that Joe Klein tangled up in this post.
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    I think that you’re referring to this confusing explanation from the Wall Street Journal:
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    To target troubled securities, such as mortgage-backed securities, the government will create several investment funds. Treasury will act as a co-investor, in most cases contributing $1 for every $1 contributed by the private sector and sharing in the first-loss position.
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    To target troubled loans, the government will create a Disposition Finance Program with the FDIC. In that case, the government will be a co-investor, but could also agree in some cases to contribute 80% of the financing, with the government putting up $4 for every $1 in private financing. As part of that program, the FDIC would provide guarantees against losses on a pool of loans that a bank wants to sell. The program could guarantee as much as $500 billion in loan investments.

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    That’s an incomplete (and misleading) version of what’s in the plan (WARNING PDF LINK).
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    The main problem is that Treasury has set up a new category of “thing” called “legacy loans”, but it’s not that simple. These “troubled loans” are actually “pools of loans”:
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    (from the plan pdf)
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    If a bank has a pool of residential mortgages with $100 face value that it is seeking to divest, the bank would approach the FDIC….The FDIC would determine, according to the above process, that they would be willing to leverage the pool at a 6-to-1 debt-to-equity ratio.

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    That’s the “all downside risk” category.
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    So in this plan Treasury has set up a new category of mortgage-backed security that they’ve called “troubled loans” that are distinguished from “mortgage-backed securities”…well, I’m not sure about what exactly distinguishes them from the other shares in MBS’s that they have, except that they’re new, maybe?
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    I can’t tell from reading their plan whether or not these are new mortgage-backed securities (which would be insane) they’re selling or what, though.
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    It seems the plan is ambiguous enough to lend itself to a more and a less favorable interpretation of it, until we get some questions answered in detail about what these new things they’re planning on selling actually are.
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    Sorry, Dee.

  • middlegirl

    Meanwhile, Gallup is reporting that the American people do not blame Obama or Geitner for the AIG mess. Despite the frenzied media, the public remains pretty savy. This is progress. Basically the media is talking to itself and not addressing what real people are thinking. It’s sad.

  • rustyreturns

    I’m laughing with Obama like a loon here, because none of what Joe Klein wrote about makes any sense.
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    Now Stuart on the other hand, makes a great case. For the most part that is.
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    The problem as I see it, with the bailout we automatically were screwed. Screwed out of billions of tax payer dollars. I will revert to my original and still undisputed opinion that no bailout would have been better than what we have now.
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    Has anyone seen my 401k money lately? I seemed to have lost about 40% of it somewhere.

  • merelymyopinion

    “But most of the anger we see and hear comes from people who are paid to be angry, on cue, on cable television–as opposed to people with actual grievances.”
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    AMEN. And in 999 cases out of 1,000, the commentariat’s bona fides regarding global finance issues amount to… zero.
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    USA Today/Gallup poll today: Only EIGHT PERCENT of the public blames Geithner.

  • http://tinselwing.wordpress.com/ nicteis

    Helpful, SZ, thanks. I think I’ll go now and stock up on liquid rage emolluents, in case I learn that I have to get really angry at Tim after all.

  • middlegirl

    Gawker has an excellent piece on the Drudge/Politico echo chamber.
    http://gawker.com/5180451/the-politico+drudge-echo-chamber

  • stuartzechman

    nicteis:
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    Dee: I’m very, very sorry, I just need to clear this up.
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    To target troubled securities, such as mortgage-backed securities, the government will create several investment funds. Treasury will act as a co-investor, in most cases contributing $1 for every $1 contributed by the private sector and sharing in the first-loss position.
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    No, no!
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    They’re wrong about that, too! That’s false and misleading, as well! The mortgage-backed securities (that they’re willing to admit are actually securities, not the “loan pools”) are not a 50/50 partnership either!
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    The thing is that the plan puts this out FIRST:
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    Asset managers will have the ability, if their investment fund structures meet certain guidelines, to subscribe for senior debt for the Public-Private Investment Fund from the Treasury Department in the amount of 50% of total equity capital of the fund.

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    But…they go on LATER to clarify that, in an example:
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    Step 4: The fund manager commences the sales process for the investment fund and is able to raise $100 of private capital for the fund. Treasury provides $100 equity coinvestment on a side-by-side basis with private capital and will provide a $100 loan to the Public-Private Investment Fund. Treasury will also consider requests from the fund manager for an additional loan of up to $100 to the fund.
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    Step 5: As a result, the fund manager has $300 (or, in some cases, up to $400) in total capital and commences a purchase program for targeted securities.

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    Did you catch that, nicteis?
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    In their “$1 for $1 partnership”, $100 actually gets you up to $400 from Treasury. That’s not %50-50, that’s %75-25.
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    They seems to be leaving out those extra terms that get that extra 50 percent in public financing from the initial description, for some reason.
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    So no, nicteis, the answer is no. There is no dollar for dollar partnership at all in this thing, although they seem to go out of their way to make that a point of confusion –and the Wall Street Journal bit, instead of reading it themselves.
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    Sorry again, Dee.

  • bitterpill8

    middlegirl: Agree. the “people” are pretty savvy. They have given Pres Obama more credit that the Bloviators, Pox and Friends and The Best Political Team on the CaNNed News Network. I said before, and I will say it again: in an approximately 30 min interview on Leno the reference to our disabled took up all of 5 seconds. Guess what out punditocracy focused on?

    SZ: for the past three days I have read and re-read both you and SGW and all the other commenter-colleagues trying to make myself find a way through all the arguments. And I applaud your output. But I think you are too hard on Joe. He is putting himself out here and harsh rebuttals are not the answer. Your message is powerful enough without you slamming Joe.

    Joe: why not enter into the debate like KT and engage. I am surprised that you put stuff out here and then sit back and only turn up with your next post. If you have any respect for the commenters here please show it by engaging. Otherwise your posts, although provocative, leave you looking like someone who is too superior in engage us by responding point by point.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    rustyreturns
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    News flash, the money for the Geitner plan comes from the TARP bailout money. So if you have a problem with the first part of the bailout which used the first $350 billion dollar tranche, guess who you have to be upset with. Your homeboy George Bush and his lacky Hank Paulson.

  • greenlyfe

    If you want to be angry about something, get pissed at a media culture that goes berserk about bonuses one week and forgets all about them the next. And be worried, quite worried, about a society for whom anger is a form of entertainment.

    I want to focus on what you say here about the media because it is so true. There was a great story in politico from a journalist about how he got the AIG bonus story wrong. This was something that had been reported for months; but suddenly it was focused on by a press corp that didn’t have any other news to pour over that week. JMHO but if last week taught the Obama team anything it was that they needed to drive a story for seven days a week, 365 days a year if they don’t want to get swamped.

    *

    The second point you make about anger; I don’t think this is applicable to our society. I think there is a real rage against Wall Street and these millionaires (and it gags me type billionaires) that have not yet had a comeuppance. At least the tech people lost everything in the tech bubble that burst; we didn’t bail them out. But these wall st. folks not only made easy money on fraudulent deals that have bankrupted our nation; they’re getting CAKE too. We’re bailing the mofos out and inviting them to make more money as we try to dig our way out of this. Now, maybe, we HAVE to do this for the good of our nation. Fine. But the fact remains; I want to see folks in jail and doing the perp walk. I want to see folks lose everything and their money and property seized by the US Treasury. I want justice and I want to be vindicated as my 401k has been pillaged by these asses. This isn’t entertainment for me or folks I know. I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired of these folks; I want them to get as burned as I’ve been. As those poor folks in their late 50s and 60s who aren’t looking at life from 29 like I am and don’t have the time to make up the losses. Well hell, they deserve to see theses masters of the universe humbled if they’re not going to be made hole.

    *

    There is something very sick about rich people being bailed out without a thought and it being labled as for the good of the country; when union workers are called out as having destroyed the US auto industry and the hard truth is we can’t prop up failed institutions like Chrysler or GM or Ford. That’s 39 flavors of wrong if you ask me; and it’s part of the real anger that is out there. If you lost your money in a 401k, if you lost your pension, if you lost your life savings because Lehaman fell apart before AIG then it sucks. Sorry to be you. If you’re that dude that runs Citi; you made 11 million and you’re company is to big to fail, and you’re the mofo with the huge dick that will put out a memo saying you will fight for your employees bonuses to boot. Unless, of course, your the dude at JP MorganChase that has the board room and jets to buy from cash you took out of the goodness of your heart and you won’t give back.

    *

    Can you see why folks are pissed? It goes beyond the bonuses. It’s at a tar and feather time for me; but you don’t really talk about that in polite papers. But to be blunt and frank, I’m tired of the US being Wall Streets bitch. These folks need to be sent to jail and see what it feels like to bend over and take one for the team. Enough is enough. I’m resigned to more bailouts and more money and the idea that we might need to eat three trillion worth of bad bets made to rescue the insurance folks next (something the MSM isn’t yet focusing on but the next story). I’m just looking for some of these folks to get punished; not make a profit on us turning things around.

  • stuartzechman

    …So get angry at Tim and Austan Goolsbee, who are touting this thing as a “partnership”, and the Wall Street Journal, who couldn’t be bothered to read the actual proposal, apparently.
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    If you believe that they deliberately made the plan more difficult to read, and therefore easier to sell to the Wall Street Journal, then get really angry.

  • textee

    Will Obama continue to attempt to incite hatred for Special Olympians among his mind-numbed followers as he continues to do for capitalism, the actual United States Constitution (as opposed to the “living” so-called Constituion), the God fearing, the pro-America community, gun owners, businesses, successful Americans, wealth, the United States military and its values, the Boy Scouts and their values, members of disfavored racial and ethnic groups (i.e., those whom Obama supports discriminating against), non-feminized males, “Wall Street”, SUVs, the war on terrorism …?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    On another topic this is a must read about Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
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    She has been battling breast cancer for the last year and she didn’t tell anyone about it.
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    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/broward/breaking-news/story/961726.html

  • stuartzechman

    bitterpill8:
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    Do you really think that Joe’s putting himself out there?
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    Did you read that Greenwald piece The virtues of public anger and the need for more?
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    Perhaps I didn’t understand your argument.
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    I hope that the discussion has benefited you, I know I’ve had to look up every ounce of my arguments, so it has benefited me a great deal. Having the actual plan to read makes it a lot easier than the stupid New York Times leak, which did get the thing pretty wrong.

  • pearlybaker

    I think this is all part of Obama’s plan to let the capitalist elites destroy themselves. Then we get to seize the means of finance raise high the red flag of socialism.

  • sacredh

    “Populist rage” can be a good thing. Most people have never lived through a period where our very economic survival was at stake. Not just us as individuals, but our nation as a whole and our way of life. The changes Obama and his administration want to make would have never stood a chance if we weren’t so close to the precipice. Obama’s popularity is high and neither he nor Geithner is being blamed for this mess. At some point in the future they may be. Public opinion can change at any time. But if it doesn’t, people are still going to blame someone. Right now Wall Street, the republicans and the last administration are getting all the “credit”. Once people decide they’ve been lied to and taken advantage of to such an extreme degree, it’s something they don’t forget for the rest of their lives. You can pretty much bet that the republicans have lost an entire generation of voters. What are their prospects when their entire party is viewed as a toxic asset? The conservatives have to be terrified that this plan will actually work. If people think that they’ve been saved by Obama’s plan on the economy, he’s going to get a free rein to do whatever else he wants to.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    SZ
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    Unfortunately I think this time you are wrong or rather you are conflating two different programs covered in Geitner’s plan. Here is the fact sheet from Geitner.
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    http://www.treasury.gov/press/releases/tg65.htm
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    Sample Investment Under the Legacy Loans Program
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    Step 1: If a bank has a pool of residential mortgages with $100 face value that it is seeking to divest, the bank would approach the FDIC.
    Step 2: The FDIC would determine, according to the above process, that they would be willing to leverage the pool at a 6-to-1 debt-to-equity ratio.
    Step 3: The pool would then be auctioned by the FDIC, with several private sector bidders submitting bids. The highest bid from the private sector – in this example, $84 – would be the winner and would form a Public-Private Investment Fund to purchase the pool of mortgages.
    Step 4: Of this $84 purchase price, the FDIC would provide guarantees for $72 of financing, leaving $12 of equity.
    Step 5: The Treasury would then provide 50% of the equity funding required on a side-by-side basis with the investor. In this example, Treasury would invest approximately $6, with the private investor contributing $6.
    Step 6: The private investor would then manage the servicing of the asset pool and the timing of its disposition on an ongoing basis – using asset managers approved and subject to oversight by the FDIC.

    .
    Now the difference might be that you are saying that what the FDIC covers should be counted as part of the partnership. I can’t speak to that. But its clear that of the part Treasury is putting in its a dollar for dollar basis in that particular program. And I believe this is the program that actually deals with regular mortgages that might have been defaulted on but aren’t necessarily bundled which means they still have a house attached to them. But I think you are talking about the other program which in fact is not $1 for $1
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    Sample Investment Under the Legacy Securities Program
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    Step 1: Treasury will launch the application process for managers interested in the Legacy Securities Program.
    Step 2: A fund manager submits a proposal and is pre-qualified to raise private capital to participate in joint investment programs with Treasury.
    Step 3: The Government agrees to provide a one-for-one match for every dollar of private capital that the fund manager raises and to provide fund-level leverage for the proposed Public-Private Investment Fund.
    Step 4: The fund manager commences the sales process for the investment fund and is able to raise $100 of private capital for the fund. Treasury provides $100 equity co-investment on a side-by-side basis with private capital and will provide a $100 loan to the Public-Private Investment Fund. Treasury will also consider requests from the fund manager for an additional loan of up to $100 to the fund.
    Step 5: As a result, the fund manager has $300 (or, in some cases, up to $400) in total capital and commences a purchase program for targeted securities.
    Step 6: The fund manager has full discretion in investment decisions, although it will predominately follow a long-term buy-and-hold strategy. The Public-Private Investment Fund, if the fund manager so determines, would also be eligible to take advantage of the expanded TALF program for legacy securities when it is launched.

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    Now indeed the second program is a lot riskier but for reasons I enumerated earlier I personally think it will be worth the risk is lending starts back up.

  • stuartzechman

    Dee?
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    I’m trying to respect the substance of the post, here…

  • bitterpill8

    SZ: No I don’t think Joe is doing more than the minimum, which is putting out a piece and sitting back and watching what follows. KT engages. Joe does not. That tells me something about Joe.

    As for you: SZ, I admire the passion, energy and commitment you have shown and the work you have done. Keep at it.

  • stuartzechman

    SG:
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    You’re missing the first part: “The FDIC would determine, according to the above process, that they would be willing to leverage the pool at a 6-to-1 debt-to-equity ratio.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    SZ
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    No I didn’t miss that part. In fact here is what I said about it.
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    Now the difference might be that you are saying that what the FDIC covers should be counted as part of the partnership.

    .
    Now I personally don’t count the FDIC leverage because the FDIC gets a lot of their funding from the banks themselves or at least they did until 1996. And I expect in the end they will continue to get their revenue or at least most of it from banks and not the tax payer per se.

  • stuartzechman

    Now the difference might be that you are saying that what the FDIC covers should be counted as part of the partnership.
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    …of course that should be counted! That’s a crazy amount of money! The only reason it wouldn’t be considered part of the deal is if you were trying to make the word “partnership” stick at all costs…

  • tc125231

    I usually like Joe’s posts, but have serveral semi-critical points to make about this one:

    1. As Justin Fox pointed out, the complete lack of linkage between extecutive compensation and any meanigful form of performance IS, in fact, part of the problem. In fact, it is arguable the heart of the problem.

    2. It is certainly why there is widespread distrust of the ruling elites. Another angle on this is that the elites are ALL OVER abrogating contracts to working stiffs (for example, UAL and UAW), but get all teary eyed about the “sanctity of contracts” when it is their ox being gored. What they really mean is that they never though it would happen to them. They figured they would be doing it to someone else.

    The general hypocrisy and duplicity of all this amkes it clear that “class war” has been going on for a long time. That was OK with those who are upset by this evil “populism”.

    What they mean by evil “populism”, of course, is that shite’s supposed to flow down hill.

    3. There are legitimate reasons to question Geithner’s plan. Paul Krugman is concerned, and, to date, his predictions have been far more accurate than most of his detractors. This means his concerns over the bailout plan deserve a fair hearing, no matter what the market thinks.

    For a long time the market thought, after all, that housing prices could rise forever.

    4. Brad DeLong, however, is cautiously supportive of the plan. Brad DeLong is not an idiot (e.g. a follower of the Chicago School.) Thus, it is possible that the plan deserves a try. Since it is going to get it, no matter what, this is just as well.

    5. Who on earth is Octomom, and wht am I supposed to be angry about her? Is THIS the kind of nonsense media types “twitter” about?

  • stuartzechman

    For clarity: here’s where the FDIC gets its money:
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    Beyond the funds in the Deposit Insurance Fund above and the FDIC’s power to charge insurance premia, FDIC insurance is additionally assured by the Federal government. According to the FDIC.gov website (as of January 2009), “FDIC deposit insurance is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States government”. This means that the resources of the United States government stand behind FDIC-insured depositors.”[22]

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    To be very clear:
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    119. Where does the FDIC get its money?
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    From assessments on insured banks, and interest on U.S. Government securities it holds.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    In a shocking bit of news I am actually going to defend Joe Klein here to a certain extent. Joe has never professed to be some kind of scholar of economic issues and normally he focuses strictly on national security issues. While he doesn’t engage in comments like KT does, he DID do something today that KT refuses to do. And thats criticize his fellow journalists. Now am I in 100% agreement with everything he said? No. But look around Swampland and that includes KT and tell me how many posts you see that lambasts the rest of the Village even if he doesn’t call anyone out by name. To be honest I would say THAT is Joe Klein’s form of engagement with commenters. As was pointed out to me before he does read the comments because every once in awhile he posts a correction or attacks a commenter. And would I like for him to jump into the mosh pit of comments? You betcha! But on a day when just about every pundit has been focusing on President Obama laughing on 60 minutes and AIG bonuses, to me this post was a breath of fresh air of sorts. I don’t give him credit often, and Ill probably be back to dog cussing him tomorrow. But on this post I will give him his props for calling bullsh*t on the rest of the chattering classes and give him a pass for maybe not being 100% right o everything.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    SZ
    .
    Isn’t that pretty much what I just said?

  • tc125231

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/toxic-reaction/

    The Opiniator has a set of links worth reading if one is more interested in information than bloviation.

  • stuartzechman

    While he doesn’t engage in comments like KT does, he DID do something today that KT refuses to do. And thats criticize his fellow journalists.
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    This is a very, very good point.

  • stuartzechman

    SG
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    Isn’t that pretty much what I just said?
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    Nope.
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    It’s not banks, “it’s additionally assured by the Federal government“, which means Treasury is compelled to give it money at will, and “From assessments on insured banks,”, which means to cover normal insurance operations (not like this problem), “and interest on U.S. Government securities it holds.“, which means T-bills (Treasury notes) which likewise come from Treasury being told to borrow by the Federal Reserve.

  • dfh

    What I would like to know is where was the outrage among the Washington Media when Bush was shipping pallets of money over to Iraq and 8 or 9 billion disappeared? J N-S let the cat out of the bag last week when she wondered if she was being had. She was and we all are. The Republican noise machine is ginning up ‘populist’ anger to ensure that anything Obama proposes fails so that the economy tanks and they can take over again. Regaining power is all they care about and the MSM will do anything to help them.

  • acgt

    All due respect, Joe. To compare our “societal unfairness and desperation” with such in China (or elsewhere) is a common, unfair misunderstanding. Unfairness, desperation or poverty are related to the environment where they occur. Qualities of poverty differ from one country (environment) to another, from a big city to a village, or a village to a village of the same country.

  • Cliff

    SZ: I read that particular part, the “The markets love it–the Dow is up 350 points as I write–and so we can move on” part as being a little ironic. I’m not sure if that was his intent or not, but I felt like it tied into his main point about the media focusing on the wrong parts of the affair.

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
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    I’m sorry, but Newsweek isn’t the real problem.
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    You know who’s really tearing down the President for no reason whatsoever other than the usual business of misplaced outrage?
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    Victor Davis Hanson asks why so many Americans are depressed. Suggesting five themes that might provide an answer, he thinks that more than the economy explains our state of mind. I agree, but none of Dr. Hanson’s themes accounts for my despair.
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    I feel utterly powerless to do anything about the fellow in the Oval Office who combines infantile leftism and adolescent grandiosity in roughly equal measures. It seems to me that every day he is responsible for assaults on the freedom and well being of the American people. I can’t keep up and I can’t stand to pay attention.
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    His aim seems to be to reduce us to government dependents. His inattention to rehabilitation of the financial system in lieu of vastly expanding the size and scope of the government is a dead giveaway, as is his lack of concern over the vast destruction of wealth his policies are working (and will continue to work).
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    I am depressed because the president of the United States is a fool who will immiserate us, render us wards of the state and lose us our life and liberty to those who understand what they are about.

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    There’s the idiotic, counterproductive, stupidity-gone-wild outrage you were looking to condemn, Joe Klein.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    SZ
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    The FDIC is an independent agent much like Fannie and Freddie and thats why the have the full assurance of the U.S. Government. But their money largely comes from assessments from banks and T Bills which is basically what I said. At this point I am going to move on to other subjects other than AIG and Geitner’s plan but I thought you and many other commenters might find the FDIC fact sheet on the legacy loan program useful
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    alert, pdf file
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    http://www.fdic.gov/llp/LLPtermsheet.pdf

  • bitterpill8

    Victor David Hanson: The Nutty Right’s Beloved Idiot, Even during Bush Jr’s time he was left to bloviate at NRO and other outposts of Repug nonsense. The best thing that pres Obama can do is to ignore this chump.

  • stuartzechman

    SG.
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    To not count the FDIC’s money as government money sounds a little nuts to me.
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    Of course the FDIC is an independent agent (we don’t vote for it), but that has no bearing whatsoever on where the FDIC gets its money for operations like this one:
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    The FDIC Needs to Borrow Too
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    So what does that mean when FDIC borrows from the Treasury?
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    Since the Treasury is the only agency with the power of issuing debts (up to the debt ceiling approved by Congress), it is the same as printing more IOUs on the backs of taxpayers to bail out the bank depositors…
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    I don’t know whether there will be any financial reactions to the FDIC borrowing money from the Treasury. But to me, it is just another sign that the whole system is broken. All bailouts and debts eventually lead to the Treasury issuing bonds. And at the point when there is more borrowing needed than foreigners are willing to buy, the Federal Reserve will need to come in and monetize the debt (print the money out of thin air). Supposedly, we should see an increase of Treasury paper holdings at the Federal Reserve, but I doubt that is going to ever be shown to the public. I think we will see an increase of debt issuing, coupled with lower percentage of foreign banks taking up the debts.

    .
    I tried hard to get somebody to explain this who wasn’t in the least sympathetic to Krugman’s view of things, SG, so that’s why I chose these guys.
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    I think that excluding the FDIC from consideration –even when they put up the vast majority of money– because it’s an “independent agent” and then calling the plan a “partnership” is…well, a rhetorical trick, actually. A sales pitch.
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    It wouldn’t surprise me that the Treasury would pitch their plan this way, but we need to be aware of those kind of games ourselves, SG.

  • Friar Tuck

    OK, Joe – you got your 60-comment thread for the day. Happy?

  • shepherdwong

    “…on this post I will give him his props for calling bullsh*t on the rest of the chattering classes and give him a pass for maybe not being 100% right o everything.”
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    Here, here! [*grateful applause*]

  • pm1nyc

    Bravo Joe Klein

    I am also fed up with this media culture – I want it to be taken out and shot for the damage it does. I love entertainment too of all kinds, and even shows about entertainment, but I hate the entertainizing of news. It means hard painstaking analysis is avoided and that reality gets dumbed down and loses to the “ideology of fluff”, to use Jay Rosen’s term.

    Today’s easy idea that Geithner’s bank plan is a success because of the rise in the Dow ignores the hard reality that the Dow has failed us so often already, that the market was rising to huge levels in the tech bubble and the mortgage market Ponzi bubble. It ignores the hard economic realities that are still present in a way that is criminal to me. I want the media to provide open, reality-based and thorough journalism reflecting multiple thoughtful points of view, not dumb slogans and cliches.

    The media needs to be less passive/reactive/reductive and more active/ creative/ expansive: instead of viewing its role as merely “In media res”, how about “In media veni, vidi, vici” !?

  • stuartzechman

    Somebody smart want to help me out the f*ck out with this problem?
    .
    Please?

  • tanboontee

    Who would not get ANGRY? NEVERMIND??

    After Madoff and Stanford, who else? AIG? There must have been thousands of white collar crooks (of varying degrees) in the financial institutions worldwide, manipulating their way to richness, yet remain dormant and out-of-reach of the law.

    Why is this so? Is it because evidences against the criminals are so well covered that no investigator could have any access to? Or is it because law-makers and law-enforcers themselves are of dubious backgrounds with their own hidden agenda?

    What has become to this maddening world? Despite the economic mayhem, the rich turn out to be richer, leaving the poor and the unfortunate perpetually damned and burdened with endless sufferings.
    (Tan Boon Tee)

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    Not sure if you’ll see this, SZ, but I think you’re misinterpreting Joe’s post.

    “The problem with outrage is that it occludes vision. Today Geithner proposes a bank bailout plan. The markets love it–the Dow is up 350 points as I write–and so we can move on. No more calls for Tim’s head; the bank thing actually may get straightened out. Uh…so where’s the next Octomom?”

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    .
    @patriccio: I think you need to read the post again. That’s not at all what Joe wrote; did you only read the title? One of the primary points is that the media’s description of the popular opinion and the actual popular opinion aren’t lining up.

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  • poopsybythebay

    Another great article Joe. You have become one of the best lately and you seem to get what our problem with some in the press has been for so long. The “conventional wisdom heaven” that the press appears to live in and that the body politic never will. The Obama presser last night as you mentioned was a perfect example of that mindset. I think the saddest part of all was the way in which the 4 Musketeers; Ed Henry,Jake Tapper,Chuck Todd,& Chip Reid have become so symbiotic that their questions turned into these phony group-think “screw you Mr. President” we do not like you and we want all Americans to know it. The problem was instead of making the President look bad it made them look small and way out of their league. The crazy thing is they do it all to appear tough and it spectacularly backfires. Ed Henry was humiliatingly smacked down by the President and Ed without any irony turned around and bragged that he had been the one doing the smacking. I think Eugene Robinson/Washington Post said it best tonight, “Obama made Ed Henry his girlfriend” he of course could not say the B-word on television. The whole process has become so sad and they all seem to not understand why no one likes them–it is not that they are too liberal or too conservative it’s that they do not believe in anything which makes no one happy.

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