The Math Behind A “Billion Dollars An Hour”

This is the new Senate Republican talking point: If you take the cost of the stimulus bill and add in the cost of the Fiscal Year 2009 omnibus bill, and then divide that number by the number of hours in the first 50 days of the Obama presidency, the result is $1 billion-per-hour of spending by Congress. Sounds big and scary. But it’s also a great example of fuzzy math that does not really mean what it seems to mean.

Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell is doing the arithmetic this way, per Politico’s Mike Allen. “50 days times 24 hours equals 1,200 hours. 1,200 times 1 billion equals 1.2 trillion (a thousand billions is a trillion).”

It’s true that if you add the stimulus and the omnibus you get about $1.2 trillion. But that money will not be spent in 50 days. The omnibus is a spending bill  to run the government over the course of an entire year. (It should have passed last fall, but was delayed for the presidential election and because of partisan infighting.) The stimulus will be paid out over several years, with most of the money going out the door over the next 18 months. So no one is spending a billion dollars an hour. Consider this comparison: If over the course of a one hour board meeting, the head of Mattel decided to produce 1 million new Barbie dolls over the coming year, no one would say that Mattel is making 1 million Barbie dolls an hour. They would say Mattel is making 1 million Barbie dolls a year.

Furthermore, most of this money would have probably been spent even if Republicans controlled congress and John McCain had won the White House. The omnibus had some increases in spending over recent levels, including some departments that got 10 percent increases. But no Republican has proposed not funding the government. (McCain spoke of spending freezes on the trail, not dramatic reductions.)  And Republicans would still have needed to find a way to pass the omnibus in the first weeks of the new year. Something similar can be said for the stimulus. Though few Republicans supported the stimulus bill Obama signed, most did not oppose the idea of an expensive stimulus to deal with the economic collapse. Republicans broadly supported a $152 billion stimulus last year, for example, and this year they proposed a tax-cut heavy alternative that would have cost hundreds of billions of dollars. (Notably, the Republicans left out a price for their plan when it was proposed.) Though the Republican stimulus might have been smaller, and would contain more tax cuts and less spending, it still would have been expensive. In this alternate universe, however, McConnnell and his comrades would not be complaining about the pace of McCain’s per-hour spending rate, trying to scare the country with big numbers that don’t mean all that much.

MORE: Speaking of McConnell, the good people at McClatchy report that he requested $75 million in earmarks in the omnibus bill that so upsets him for being too big.

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  • 53_3

    Real Math:
    .
    The GOP handed out a minimum of 7,200,000,000,000 dollars before they left.
    http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/topstocks/archive/2008/11/24/the-real-bailout-cost-7-4-trillion.aspx
    .
    How about this math, Micheal:
    If you spread the cost, at no interest, of the Bernanke/GOP bailout throughout the entire Hadean, Archaen, Proterazoic, and Phanerazoic eons of the Earth’s history the payments would amount to $131/Month.
    .
    And it still would not be payed off!

  • Paul-no not that one

    “the result is $1 billion-per-hour of spending by Congress. Sounds big and scary.”
    .
    It sounds idiotic. It’s as if they have completely given up on wanting to be taken seriously. Coming up with talking points for talk radio isn’t going to help them politically either I’m guessing.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I wish that if people were going to play silly games with big numbers, that they’d take the additional step of dividing by 250,000,000 to get the figure ‘per American’
    .
    Not only would this knock the numbers down to a more easily imagined size, they would allow for more direct comparisons to typical American families other expenditures.
    .
    Needless to say it’s nice to see you knock down a talking point rather than simply repeating it. Next up, lets address the fact that the solution to excessive earmarks and targeted spending is higher State and Local taxes.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    So in other words MS — you can say it they lied!

  • 53_3

    Of course, MS, let’s not mention that the money you are trying to scare us about is only one-sixth the sum of money your party handed out with no oversight whatever.
    .
    Now that’s scary…

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    And just in case lie is too strong a term try:
    .
    tricked
    hoodwinked
    bamboozled
    led astray

  • incandenzah

    Michael, should *all* your posts and dead-tree articles begin the way this one did? “This is the new Senate Republican talking point….”?

  • incandenzah

    sorry… “shouldn’t,” of course. Not “should.”

  • bobell

    @53_3 — Ropes are “payed”; money is “paid.”
    .
    That aside, anyone who doesn’t use fingers and toes for counting has long known that all this silly arithmetic (if you line up a trillion one dollar bills end-to-end, they’ll reach to the Andromeda galaxy — if they don’t get burned to a crisp as they pass Alpha Centauri) is just another way of giving the base some talking points to keep them warm when they can’t afford to pay the heating bill.
    .
    We’re nearing the event horizon of a financial black hole, and all the Republicans can do is make up phony numbers about how fast the money is going out. MS is quite right about how legitimate their numbers are — or, more precisely, aren’t. And for those of you who think Dubya and his gang didn’t dig this pit into which we are now sinking, remember the story of Joseph in Egypt. We threw trillions away during our seven fat years, and we borrowed trillions more, and now we have to put ourselves even deeper in hock to get through the lean ones.
    .
    If only the politicians took our situation as seriously as the blogosphere does …

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Of course not all of the time Obama spent in office has been working on theses particular bills. If we only count the time that was sepnt on the roll-calls plus the signing, you’d get an even higher ‘per-hour’ figure. And it would be exactly as meaningless.

  • michaelscherer

    incandenzah, I will take your recommendation under advisement, as clearly this post provides further evidence that my journalistic career consists of little more than parroting what Republicans tell me to say. :)

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
    .
    Though the Republican stimulus might have been smaller, and would contain more tax cuts and less spending, it still would have been expensive. In this alternate universe, however, McConnnell and his comrades would not be complaining about the pace of McCain’s per-hour spending rate, trying to scare the country with big numbers that don’t mean all that much.
    .
    I’m afraid you have that last part wrong.
    .
    They’re not “trying to scare the country with big numbers”, they’re trying to scare people like Howard Fineman into a lack of confidence in Obama’s “FDR-ness”, so as to communicate that image through to the larger public, which they are obviously happy to do.
    .
    They’re trying to win Politico’s ledes on a daily basis. They’re trying to make fear, uncertainty and doubt the topic of conversation amongst political and media elites.
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    They’re trying to scare people like you, Michael Scherer –they could give a f*ck about us.

  • 53_3

    bobell:
    .
    Some have criticized me for showing off, but really, it just one way of trying to pointing out the absolute enormity of the amount of money the GOP already spent – and recklessly at that.
    .
    I’ve never seen anyone put it in terms of a note whose term is so long it spans the entire planet’s history – and still produces a sizeable bill at 0% interest. In actuality, I wonder if such a sum can really ever be paid off.
    .
    And what’s worse is that China holds the note.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Here is the problem that the Republicans aren’t getting and don’t seem like they will be getting anytime soon. People are scared, they have lost jobs or are on the brink of losing one. They have lost their health insurance. They are facing foreclosure. You can’t scare people today with big numbers. The Republicans keep talking about bankrupting our children’s and grandchildren’s future not understanding that people are struggling to feed their children and grandchildren TODAY. They can keep playing these games with how much money has been spent or will be spent or has been authorized but all it does is make them look even more and more out of touch. And most of the people saying this sh*t are making six figures and or are wealthy anyway. You go ask somebody in line at the unemployment office if they give a sh*t about deficits. I dare you. I double dog dare you. Go find a house with a foreclosure sign out front and ask those people if they want the Government not to spend money right now. I wish some of these dumb ass politicians would walk down a blue collar neighborhood where people are struggling and try preaching some of their special brand of bullsh*t. They would get their ass kicked in a major way. So let them keep coming up with fuzzy math, most of them won’t be on Capitol Hill much longer anyway.

  • 53_3

    Well, Rush claimed the other day that there is no “forclosure” storm.
    .
    I also remember, some years ago, he claimed that Washington State had to let forest fires burn because the helicopters were not allowed to take water out of the streams because of the salmon.
    .
    And the insurance CEO on the other thread really thinks that he, and the GOP in general, is smart!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I suggest that people take a few minutes to read the Politico comment thread. Any confidence you have that people understand what’s going on and are not susceptible to these sorts of dishonest arguments will be instantly dashed.
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    There’s no shortage of slogan spouting idjits out there.

  • 53_3

    I think Republican stragedy is to hold their hands over their ears and yell:
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    Stop scaring us! Nothing is happening!

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Paul Dirks
    .
    Don’t be fooled by Politico. The same losers come there everyday and post the same sh*t over and over again. That was my hangout prior to coming over to Swampland. You can go to any thread at that site and see the same people constantly repeating themselves. They definitely aren’t reflective of America at large. A good number of them also claimed McCain was going to win up until the day of the election.

  • newfloridian

    It has come to this: Who presents a greater threat to the United States, terrorists or Republicans? Both apparently want the US to fail. One can only come out a cave and make pronouncements. The other is willfully attempting to destroy the country.

  • arbitrarystring

    “If you spread the cost, at no interest, of the Bernanke/GOP bailout throughout the entire Hadean, Archaen, Proterazoic, and Phanerazoic eons of the Earth’s history the payments would amount to $131/Month.”
    .
    It must look even more expensive to the religious crazies who insist the world is only 6000 years old.

  • gpanfile

    sgwhite, you nail it completely and exemplify what the villagers usually don’t get, what real life is like for real people who don’t have jobs at Time, the NYT, Fox, MSNBC, etc. The right track/wrong track number that they all ignored when playing their 24 hour news cycle gotcha game all last year. The same way they utterly miss how real people see the money situation now… hint, it is NOT about all the process nonsense, and whatever the Repugnicons decide to call a sound bite news conference about. One reads, sometimes here by MS and certainly a lot elsewhere, all these critical minutiae about Obama, but one NEVER reads any coherent Republican proposal for dealing with anything, nor any regret or even speculation around what it would be like to have President McCain, Vice President Palin, Secretary of the Treasury Gramm, Chief of Staff Lindsey Graham, and SuperAdvisor Samuel-not-Joe the Nonentity-not-Plumber in charge at this point in time… just imagine it for a moment….

  • newfloridian

    sgwhiteinfla: I agree, the losers on Politico are all on Republican joy juice. It is inhabited by a cadre of Republican loyalist and no more represents mainstream America than Rush does. We worry to much about the various Republican three ring circuses.

  • 53_3

    newfloridian:
    .
    The Republicans. No question. Nine-Eleven never had this kind of impact, with all due respect to the victims and those who served!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    They definitely aren’t reflective of America at large..
    .
    But they are part of the feedback loop within Scherer’s and Tapper’s and Kurtz’s world.
    .
    There are plenty of good reasons to be concerned about excessive government spending-borrowing-waste. Unfortunately actual analysis of our alternatives are just as taboo within the Press corps as the notion that the US is capable of trespass of foreign soil.

  • 53_3

    arbitrarystring:
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    Think it works out to around a billion a month at no interest (72000 months).
    .
    Not quite MS’s “billion an hour”, but we are getting within three orders of magnitude (712x)!

  • stuartzechman

    both [terrorists or Republicans] apparently want the US to fail
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    newfloridian:
    .
    If you’re basing that claim on the Rush Limbaugh “fail” commentary, then that’s not really true.
    .
    If you want to go with “Republicans, like terrorists, want to spread fear”, then I suppose that’s a more accurate statement, although still ethically questionable.

  • Aaron

    So, let me get this straight.
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    According to this post:
    - Republican talking points are posted by The Politico
    - reporters have to go to other sources to find the honest truth
    .
    . *sigh*
    .
    I have to agree with Paul Dirks. I get angry with Michael Scherer and others when they forget the above because many people only know what they see in the news. I think it’s frustrating when they lie.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Scherer
    .
    The next time you want to do a fuzzy math post try using a REAL source instead of politico. TPM long ago debunked the Republican “alternative” as did Christina Romer whose paper they used to make their bogus assumptions for how many jobs they create. Yet you still haven’t taken the time to point out that everytime Eric Cantor talks about their “alternative plan” he is lying through his teeth. Hmmmm I wonder why that is.
    .
    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/gop-claims-to-create-62-million-jobs-with-their-stimulus—-using-some-questionable-math.php

  • sqr1

    Don’t worry, MS, there is no need to explain how or why the GOP is full of cr@p. Our detectors are calibrated fairly well. It is enough that you simply refrain from repeating the cr@p ad nauseum.
    .
    That is all.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    SZ
    .
    I have seen you post that explanation about Rush several times and I have declined to say anything. But now I have to ask you a very pertinent question. What exactly is the difference between Rush Limbaugh saying he wants President Obama’s policies to fail versus saying he wants the country to fail? And note that he said several times before CPAC without any hint of nuance that he wants President Obama to fail, period.

  • yoshiattack

    gpanfile, maybe this could be because the Republicans can’t get in any sort of reasonable power now? Although, last I heard, Republicans did propose some sort of a counterplan.
    .
    53, have the facts that a Democratic Congress passed TARP or that letting Lehman Brothers fail was a widely panned move escaped you?
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    Bottom line, nobody’s doing it right these days. But it would be REAL nice to see both sides take responsibility. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

  • yoshiattack

    sg, this is the difference. Rush believes that the principles that will make the country work are opposite to the principles Obama is writing into law. Therefore, if Obama fails in his effort to pass those principles into law, the country will be better off.
    .
    Also, you may want to check this:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/03/09/guess-who-also-wanted-a-president-to-fail/

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    And you thought freeing the slaves in Iraq was expensive.

    Oh well.

    NOT DIRKSEN HAPPENS.

  • 53_3

    “53, have the facts that a Democratic Congress passed TARP or that letting Lehman Brothers fail was a widely panned move escaped you?”
    .
    The Bernanke money is not included in that figure. I’ve purposely kept it below the minimum estimate I’ve seen, which is 7.4 trillion. The TARP money isn’t even the issue, since $350 billion is only one-twentieth the size of the Bernanke handout.
    .
    Also not included is the altering of the USTC so as to give some corpororations a $105 billion to $140 billion “EIC”-like tax refund.
    .
    Lehman Brothers failed not because of anything the current administration did, but because of what the last administration did. Nevermind the Democratic congress prior to January 20. The prez holds the veto pen, remember?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    yoshia
    .
    Here is the problem with that premise. The plan going forward is the President’s plan. There isn’t any other to fall back on. If that plan fails the country fails period. It would be like saying you hope a general fails because you don’t think his war plan will work. Guess what, that means soldiers will die. Whether Rush thinks his way is the right way or not in the end if the stimulus bill fails the country will fail. Its really that simple.

  • atsegga

    We need to spend some of this money on lowering poverty rates.

    The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.

    $30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
    $550 billion: U.S. Defense budget

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Oh and yoshia that story is totally unsourced but notice that if you chose to believe it the moment 9-11 happened Carville said disregard everything and said they were backing President Bush. In the face of the economic crisis Rush is saying phuck the country I still want Obama to fail.

  • FlownOver

    MS –
    .
    You might consider what it says about your body of work that this post – neither fluff nor Irrelephant ventriloquism – is seen as a significant outlier. Even so, it’s mere “explanation” of a falsehood evident to anyone with an IQ above that of a mollusk.
    .
    If you wanted to serve the public interest you could do some reporting – get on the line to McConnell, lay out the obvious analysis of his lie, and give us all his reaction – or retraction, if he were honorable.
    .
    C-

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you’re talking real Red Chinese restaurant money.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    @yoshi,
    .
    Two things.
    .
    Number one. Rush is wrong. The principles that Rush believes will make this country work have been tried. They failed spectacularly. It’s one thing to believe in certain principles. It’s quite another to continue to beleive in them long after they have been shown to be misguided by facts on the ground.
    .
    Number two:
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_03/017247.php
    .
    I don’t beleive that James Carville speaks for Democrats in general but the gotcha games currently being played mean the exact opposite of what people are claiming.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    BILLION an hour, eh?

    Some loose change, that one.

    Move On indeed.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon, you’re talking real Red Chinese restaurant money
    .
    Astonishingly accurate. One billion is about 4 dollars a head….

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    OT but good, Tweety is engaged in hand to hand combat with Ari Flescher and its hilarious.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    How many illegal Mexicans laying cement over good earth will that employ, off the IRS roles?

    Barring the BOZOS at Fannie and Freddie, would we even be talking stimulus?

    The Russians and Red Chinese — neither our friends, no matter what Hillary mispronunciates — that do little to care for their own masses much less the freer world will take the Obama years to build their armed forces, just as the Iranians did under Carter and the Pakis did under Clinton.

    Rahm Emanuel will elevate the level of discussion by pointing out that Rush Limbaugh’s an unregulated teller of truth, and all Libtardia will declare the Obongo regime change a success, hire Al Green for the next Wednesday night pep rally, and cheer lead the DNC sheeple right into the 2010 ditch where they belong.

    = KEEP DOPE ALIVE =

  • Art Pepper

    If the GOP has lost Scherer they’ve lost the country. Maybe this is like when Joe Klein started to notice awhile back that not everything GWB said was entirely trustworthy.
    .
    Did you know if you converted the entire budget deficit to rupees and laid them end-to-end, it would reach two-thirds of the way to Alpha Centauri?

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Obama signs “imperfect” spending bill in private…

    ….

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_spending

    ….

    COWARD.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate
  • incandenzah

    Apologies for not reading further earlier, Michael. Talk about a Pavlovian response! I just saw your take-off and jumped to conclusions about the flight and landing. But, really, who can blame me . . . .

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Limbaugh, a staunch conservative, emphasized that he is rooting for the failure of Obama’s liberal policies.

    “The difference between Carville and his ilk and me is that I care about what happens to my country,” Limbaugh told Fox on Wednesday. “I am not saying what I say for political advantage. I oppose actions, such as Obama’s socialist agenda, that hurt my country.

    “I deal in principles, not polls,” Limbaugh added. “Carville and people like him live and breathe political exploitation. This is all a game to them. It’s not a game to me. I am concerned about the well-being and survival of our nation. When has Carville ever advocated anything that would benefit the country at the expense of his party?”

    Carville told Politico that focusing on Limbaugh is a deliberate strategy aimed at undermining Republicans.

    “The television cameras just can’t stay away from him,” he said. “Our strategy depends on him keeping talking, and I think we’re going to succeed.”

    Greenberg added: “He’s driving the Republican reluctance to deal with Obama, which Americans want.”

    In 2006, 51 percent of Democrats wanted Bush to fail, according to a FOX News/Opinion Dynamics poll.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/11/carville-wanted-bush-fail/

  • stuartzechman

    SG:
    .
    What exactly is the difference between Rush Limbaugh saying he wants President Obama’s policies to fail versus saying he wants the country to fail?
    .
    I thought that I covered that here:
    .

    If you’re f*cking crazy, and everyone you know is batsh*t insane because all you watch is these f*ckers on CNBC and Fox News Channel and Fox Business Channel, and all you listen to is Michael Savage and John Gibson, and all you read is the NY Post and the WS Journal and The Weekly Standard, and all the “information” available to you is telling you that spending is NOT stimulus, but a means for a depraved, failed ideology’s political proponents to completely take over the government, wrest the remaining wealth of the country from its citizens, and impose neo-Stalinist, fairness-doctrine rule while the nation’s enemies wait patiently and arm, then you bet your f*cking ass you’re hoping that the revolution is held at bay by the last remaining patriots. You’re probably hoping for the military to step in, actually. Hell yes you want the Communists to fail –preferably before the re-education camps and the five-year “Great Leap Forward” plans go into effect.
    .
    What’s wrong with Rush Limbaugh is that his base is not reality-based, and
    that’s why he wants Obama’s stimulus plan to fail.

    .
    Rush Limbaugh believes (or says he believes, and his audience believes) that what’s happening is like a covert Bolshevik revolution, so in his mind, if Obama fails, the country is saved not f*cked.
    .
    He’s a big, fat idiot, but he’s not less patriotic than other Americans simply for these comments.

  • Ivy_B

    MS, I’m posting this once on every Swamper’s post that uses Politico – two others today. Only JK and KT missing. I think Politico is slimy.

    THE POLITICO FORMULA: We explain how Washington really works, pull back the curtain on the palace intrigue of official Washington, and document who is trying to get and keep power, and how. Our stories are NECESSARYfor political and government players, and FASCINATING to outsiders.
    .
    THE MISSION: Politico journalism drives conversation in official Washington, making us ESSENTIAL READING for anyone who is or wants to be a player, and a KEY OUTLET for anyone who is trying to shape a political or governmental debate.
    .
    http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/political-media/more-on-politico-and-the-inside-game/
    .
    May have used it for you yesterday as well, but just trying to encourage you to give up the dopes.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Obama signs a $400 BILLION earmark bill, BEHIND CLOSED DOORS — and this IS the guy the left wants leading our country?

    Where?

    Into the 1830′s?

    Freakin liberal MORONS

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_spending

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Stewie:

    Obama’s blind eye to $400 BILLION of CRAP does not equal leadership, or change, or hope.

    It equals the old DC status quo.

    He’s a COWARD, in every respect, other than being allowed to run for POTUS by his master’s at Hahvud.

    The dems may as well have chosen Jon Jon Kerry, for all the useless, self-serving lack of spine this MOOP has to offer.

    = CARTER II ACCOMPLISHED =

    PS: Limbaugh as yet to sign a single spending bill.

  • stuartzechman

    QH:
    .
    What “$400 BILLION of CRAP”?
    .
    Are you talking about the TARP money? That was $700 billion dollars of crap.
    .
    Is that what you’re talking about, QH?

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “Is that what you’re talking about, QH?”

    Not today.

    Today was DNC PORK DAY.

  • Art Pepper

    You can’t say the budget is too big without pointing out specific programs that need to be cut. Then you need to calculate the savings as a percentage.
    .
    $1 million for a Woodstock museum? Probably pork. Total savings: Less than a rounding error.
    .
    Money for volcano monitoring? Not pork if you live near a volcano (as I do). Of course, “volcano” is a funny word to say, so it’s fair game for the mental 8-year-olds in the GOP.

  • Art Pepper

    Also – Michael, thanks for this post. The Republicans really seem to enjoy their role as spoilers much more than they ever enjoyed governing.

  • newfloridian

    Zechmann: The problem with your assumption about Limbaugh being patriotic is that his idea of America is a country where only one thought is permitable. Radical Right, sort of like the Taliban. Based on your convoluted train of thought the Taliban are also Iraqi patriots, who only want the best for Iraqi. It doesn’t matter that their idea of the best is that women have no rights and that anyone violating their laws of religion can be severly punished including stoned to death for minor infractions. Anyone want to guess what rules of law Rush and the Republican Right Wing would have in store for Americans who did not think and act the way he wanted them to? We’ve already seen the Terri Shiavo episode, what other ways would they try to control us? You are beginning to sound like QH or rusty (on a good day).

  • newfloridian

    As far as hulagate, he’s back to licking toads or something as the posts seem to multiply as the evening wears on. Jeeze, hulagate give it a rest, your posts aren’t informative, funny or inspiring. But they do prove you are a low IQ Republican. So congratulations!

  • yoshiattack

    SG: not that I completely agree with Rush, but in his thinking, the stimulus will move us into an unacceptably socialist economy, which will prove more costly in the long run than if the bill failed right away. As to whether the bill failing means the country failing, I don’t buy that.
    .
    Another thing: Did you guys actually read what I linked? It’s a series of links to two Fox News polls that show 51% of Democrats wanted President Bush to fail in 2006 and 34% wanted the surge to fail in 2007 (there’s an intermediary before the second Fox News poll). Doesn’t really have anything to do with Carville. As for his statement…the two situations aren’t really comparable. Carville had no idea what Bush was going to do about Iraq, but we have a pretty good idea of what Obama wants. The campaign proved useful in that regard.
    .
    Paul Dirks: I understand what you mean. Personally, I don’t think Rush is right. But neither do I think the Democrats have the answers right now. As for Carville, see above please.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Other great questions from the Fox Poll yoshi cites.
    .
    ” Do you think Fidel Castro is already dead and the Cuban government is
    keeping it a secret or do you think he is still alive? ”
    .
    ” Iran helped to found Hezbollah and in the past has supplied Hezbollah with
    money, training and weapons. Given the recent attacks by Hezbollah and the
    threat of Iran obtaining nuclear weapons, do you thinkStates to take military action directly against Iran? ”
    .
    “Given Mel Gibson’s recent negative comments about Jewish people when he was
    stopped for drunk driving, would you say you definitely won’t go to see his
    movies in the future, probably won’t go, or wildifference to your decision to see his movies? “

  • Cliff

    He’s a big, fat idiot, but he’s not less patriotic than other Americans simply for these comments.
    .
    No, not simply for those comments. But I honestly think he is less patriotic for the disregard for the Constitution and the populace that he shares with so many on the Right.
    .
    When you want to turn America into an oligarchy, ran along the same lines as most governments through history, that strikes me as being unpatriotic.
    .
    And Limbaugh may dress it up, but that’s what he wants.

  • yoshiattack

    Way to obfuscate, Paul. :)

  • Paul-no not that one

    yoshi missing the point? How very… predictable. Nice smile though, very Scherer.

  • stuartzechman

    But I honestly think he is less patriotic for the disregard for the Constitution and the populace that he shares with so many on the Right.
    .
    That’s a case I’d be happy to make, but I’d be happier if that were a case that could be made in mainstream public discourse, instead of the idiot bumper-sticker version “Rush hates America”.

    We don’t need to spin ourselves, do we?

  • midan33

    Maybe this is less fuzzy, President Bush fought a war against Multiple enemies on a separate continent for 7 years for less Money than the dumbocrats have spent in their first fifty days in power.

  • yoshiattack

    I’m sure your point must be brilliant. Very sure.

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  • csense610

    MS, I agree with some of your points here, but the numbers do not lie. If I buy a house for 300K, and put 20% down, did the house cost me 60K or 300K, or 300K plus interest? I do agree that the repubs would have done something similar. The real issue for all Americans should be what this spending will make our future look like. Any student of economics knows the reality. The govt. is borrowing and printing to resolve an issue that was one of their own making. This is not a dem or repub issue. and blame should not be put on either side. The truth is that they have both been doing this, and in the near future we will see the fruits of these recent attempts with significant inflation, stagnant growth, and the prospect of several major govt. programs that many rely upon having to make major changes, namely social security and medicare. I still can’t understand why many of those who have posted comments still see this as dem vs. repub rather than citizens vs. the powers that be. Anyway, thanks for calling out the faux conservatives, especially McConnell. They are all hypocrites.

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