British Press Foot Stomping Continues

There are two stories for what happened when British PM Gordon Brown visited with Obama. One comes from the White House. The other comes from the British press. In the White House version, Brown was greeted as, to put it in Obama’s own words, “one of our closest, strongest allies.” The two leaders met in the Oval Office with the press, just as Obama had met in the Oval Office with the political leader of Japan, as had always been planned. They answered questions together. Brown addressed a joint session of Congress, to rousing ovations, and then Obama called and congratulated Brown on his speech and thanked him for his “very productive visit.”

The British media version has basically nothing to do with the White House version. It begins with a mythical joint press conference that was scheduled for the Rose Garden in the dead of winter, which in itself would have brought new meaning to the term “breaking the ice.” The version continues with the White House canceling this frozen summit, “with flags,” as an intentional snub to show that Obama “dislikes” Britain, or something like that. The story also features a deep and dark reading of the fact that Obama decided not to keep President Bush’s bust of Winston Churchill in the Oval Office. It ends with complaints about the gifts that America’s first couple gave to Brown and his wife. That’s right. The gifts were not good enough, says Iain Martin of the London Daily Telegraph:

A box of 25 DVDS including ET, the Wizard of Oz and Star Wars? Oh, give me strength. We do have television and DVD stores on this side of the Atlantic. Even Gordon Brown will have seen those films too often already. This was coupled with Michelle Obama’s casual choice of gifts for the Brown sons – matching models of the helicopter which ferry her husband around. While Sarah Brown had spent time choosing gifts for the Obama girls, Michelle had clearly sent an aide to the White House gift shop at the last moment.

By contrast, Brown gave Obama “a pen holder carved from the timbers of the HMS Gannet, which was a sister ship of the HMS Resolute, and first edition biography of Winston Churchill.” The pen set has been placed on the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office and the book is in the president’s personal study adjoining the Oval Office. But of course, if the British media is to be believed, there is little good that can be read into these facts. I can see the column now: Why didn’t Obama put the pen in his pocket? Does he have no plans to read about Churchill? It’s all exhausting, really.

But as Martin continues, it gets worse. Obama, in another apparent sign of his distaste for Britain, is heading to England next month on his first overseas trip. (The nerve!) To add to this insult, he plans to meet with the Queen, at her invitation, for tea. Could this be a possible sign that the entire Obama-snubs-England story is a myth? No, sir. It only confirms what the British press already knew before Brown met Obama. “He might not like the Brits, but he can recognise a global superstar when he encounters one. He wants to be associated with her. He’s shameless,” Martin concludes. Exhausting, I tell you. Exhausting.

UPDATE: Speaking of diplomacy lost in translation, Hillary Clinton just handed Russia an “overcharge” button, not a “reset” button. Oof.

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  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    You know whats funny Scherer, is that I am sure there is a British journalist writing pretty much the same things about you and your “petty politics” post. Talk about a lack of self awareness. How ironic.

  • Friar Tuck

    AAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaagggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
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    teh stupid! it burns!

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
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    It seems as if you’re basing a great deal of your post’s premise from what’s written in “The London Telegraph”.
    .
    Both your “dislikes” link and your “Iain Martain” (“Martian”? “Martin”?) link are to this same paper.
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    When you say “The British media version“, what other sources are there composing “the British media”? Couldn’t you have at least linked to 3 or 4 more, in order to demonstrate the ubiquity of this sentiment?
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    Finally, what is the ideological and/or partisan orientation of “The London Telegraph”? As I’m sure you know, the Brits don’t have the problem of honestly labeling themselves for public consumption with which our press is strangely afflicted, so if you wouldn’t mind helping your readers out with that bit of necessary context, that would be quite useful.
    .
    Thanks in advance for these important clarifications, Michael Scherer.

  • flagrantenigma

    What Schere doesn’t bother to say, either out of ignorance or the usual disingenuous disinterest in facts, is that the Daily Telegraph is the hard right “respectable” paper in the UK, and so is unlikely to report anything Brown does with even remote impartiality. The quality of its writing is also quite poor, and it’s about six inches away from being an upmarket tabloid. Think of the American Spectator, but better educated and slightly less obvious about its allegiance. And no-one calls it the London Telegraph. It’s the Daily Telegraph.

  • Art Pepper

    FWIW, BBC radio did not report the story this way at all.
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    I haven’t seen anyone mention Brown’s little dig at Rummy: “There is no old Europe, no new Europe.”

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    So now you know how we feel when you let your own feelings interfere with your editorial judgment.
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    The thrust of your Rush piece was that Obama’s efforts to marginalize him and his many fans interfered with his ability to deal with the ‘serious’ issues of the day. In fact the opposite is true. By forcing Republican officials to choose whether or not to pander to dittoheads, he can peel off the ‘unserious’ element of his oppostion. This in turn allows him to deal directly with those who DO indeed put the interests of their country first and only disagree on the best path to get there.
    .
    You’ve allowed your personal disdain for his advisors color your reporting to the point of making a spectacle.
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    Much like the Brit tabloid reporters your choosing to call out with this post.

  • pearlybaker

    Its good to know that MS can get a job The London Telegraph if his whining on TIME’s blog doesn’t pan out.

  • michaelscherer

    Fixed Martin. Added daily. Stuart, other links:
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article5837571.ece
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    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2009/03/02/gordon_browns_desperation_for_special_relationship_with_obama_is_embarrassing
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    Also I spoke with a bunch of British press on Tuesday, which alerted me to the depth of their alarm.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    So, what you’re saying here is that there are doofuses in the British press, also?
    Yes, I understand that all the best countries populate their MSMs with doofuses these days.

  • Deggjr

    Very nice echo, young Michael Scherer. You play your role in the chamber very well.

  • kristiia

    I like when the British press worries that Obama could somehow hold it against them just because they imprisoned his paternal grandfather (whom the Prez didn’t know) and probably tortured him.

    I’m sure Obama loves the British.

    My Irish family – hmmmm, we carry some grudges.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Kentucky has a prime minister?

    Guess Obama would know that.

  • Art Pepper

    Well, I wouldn’t characterize the Times Online article as “foot stomping”; and the Telegraph op-ed really says nothing about Obama at all. It chastises Gordon Brown for “how embarrassing the transatlantic wooing has become.”

  • mccainfluffer

    During Brown’s visit, I watched the BBC news and didn’t notice any of these silly issues that you seemed obsessed with.

    I guess this is something that only “serious” journalists, like yourself are concerned about. Perhaps the Obama people and unnamed Democratic strategists are forcing you to report on this important story.

  • andynugent

    re: 3. stuartzechman:
    - Finally, what is the ideological and/or partisan orientation of “The London Telegraph”?

    The Telegraph, aka The Torygraph. Very pro-Conservative.

    re: 8. michaelscherer:

    Yes, The Times also criticises a Labour Prime Minister. You might want to have a look at the Guardian for a more pro-Labour point of view and pick somewhere in the middle for the reality.

  • sacredh

    You have to love tabloid journalism. The facts matter very little. It’s all spin. The only surprising thing was that no mention was made of who else would be attending the tea besides Obama and Elton John. We breathlessly await further information.

  • rose83

    It was an incredibly inadequate gift. It was also thoughtless: Gordon Brown is blind in one eye and has very poor vision in his other eye.
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    That said, I still think the Obama Administration’s good work on health care slightly outweighs their poor gift choices.

  • g_crush

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    pearlybaker: Its good to know that MS can get a job [at] The London Telegraph if his whining on TIME’s blog doesn’t pan out.
    .
    Well, the job market is tight. I’m considering Scherer’s recent writings as an open audition for conservazines like The Weekly Standard or The National Review…seeding the ground for a later harvest, so-to-speak…

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Sounds like there were things that were lost in translation. The removal of Winston Churchill’s bust is a snub to the Neoconservatives, not the British. The Neocons are Anglophiles. There are great things about having England for our mother country, but they tend not to be the things the Neocons like about it.

  • Cliff

    So, Scherer, perhaps you could use your gigantic journalistic brain and sort this out for us. Because as it is, I have no way of telling which of these accounts is closer to the truth.

  • mackenzie92

    I think it is wrong of you to lump the entire British media together here. The Times and the Telegraph are right-of-centre publications whose columnists’ pieces tend to be sneerily sarcastic – a fairer, more international outlook would be found in the Guardian or the Independent.

    That you have again brought up this non-story, Michael, exposes more your distaste for Britain than it does Britain’s distaste for America.

  • mccainfluffer

    I get it now. Sludge has this story – so does Politico – MS is just part of the noise machine pipeline.

  • sacredh

    The box of dvd’s was a very poor choice for a gift to a head of state. I hope they weren’t marked “Previously Viewed” and had a Blockbuster sticker on them. Obama should have given him something Reagan left behind. Like Nancy.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Forward this to your British press friends, Michael.

    http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040223/lind

    Then they’ll “get” Obama’s removal of Churchill’s bust.

  • FlownOver

    Scherer has moved on, from the opposite of journalism to the opposite of meta-journalism. We can look forward to his outright disappearance in a puff of illogic and fatuousness.

  • pearlybaker

    Fuck those limey bastards. They’re lucky we didn’t give them a few more musketballs in the Keister! USA! USA!

  • stuartzechman

    Michael Scherer:
    .
    Thank you so much for responding to commentary, clarifying your post, and providing links to similar reports that support the ubiquity you assumed to exist from your anecdotal news-gathering (press corps gossip).
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    If you wouldn’t mind just clarifying my last question regarding the partisan/ideological orientation of the Telegraph and other linked sources, that would be super, if you had just a moment.
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    Thanks again, Michael Scherer; these further contributions are valuable.

  • mortalfool

    Didn’t the Obamas read my post on http://www.whitehouse.gov the day after inauguration? I appreciate the need these days to move away from the sterling and crystal gifts of the past, and suggested more symbolic (rose garden seelings, etc.) or utilitarian gifts (name a schoolhouse or community center after the visiting head of state). DVDs? No.

  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    I saw another Telegraph column, by the guy who wrote “Obamaland” IIRC, about how Michelle is a post-colonial “Lady MacBeth”, who will stop at nothing to take vengeance against Teh British Empire in the name of the Third World.
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    Is it a Murdoch publication, by any chance?
    *
    As to the Churchill bust, I’m a Churchill fan myself, which my under-forty British friends find both a bit odd and amusing.

  • cocl

    I particularly liked how Mrs Brown’s gift of English books was proof of how much thought she had given to the matter, while Mr Obama’s gift of American films was proof of how little thought he had given…

    I am also pretty sure there are more book stores in the US than there are DVD stores in the UK…

  • sirdaav

    Another great Time waste of Internet space…
    So many of these journals now become mere placeholders for all kinds of dim wits with an axe to grind.
    Having quoted one writer from an arguably destroyed UK newspaper (which I presume is not the non existent London Telegraph) – MS presumes all British people think this way?
    Reading MS’s waste of space on Time – do we therefore extrapolate that all Americans think as shallow as himself? With loose references cited to mouthpieces that frankly don’t exist?
    Apart from questioning Time’s ‘journalism’ standards in printing this, perhaps too the replies to it signify the true intent of the writer: One person comes on saying Brown’s lot imprisoned Obama’s grandfather, then says he’s Irish and has lots of grudges… You see how this opens the door? The original issue didn’t matter, he wants all sorts of misdirected and completely unrelated matters to come to the fore.
    I can’t wait for Sarkozy to come for a visit and see what MS writes… lots of garlic flavored insults?
    As for the Irish question btw, Britain and Ireland are deeper intertwined than many believe, and one example of that shocks most Americans: Saint Patrick was English, not Irish. Taken as a slave by the Celts over to Ireland, he did later escape, but returned to show them Christianity. You just need to read your history books. Saint Patty’s day is for their most famous Englishman – who liberated Ireland (and oddly, banished snakes.) Our Irish contributor blamed who for locking up who?
    The British gave forth flush toilets, endless dire Pride and Prejudice TV shows – not to mention deep fried Mars Bars. They have their faults, as do the Americans, the Irish, definitely MS and when the shine wears off, Obama. The difference is, I think you can hear him saying he is no way perfect – which shows to me he’s twice the man as any I have referred to so far.

    America is bigger than this. Please let’s show the world we are – so we can erase the last 8 years of unsubstantiated superiority. The UK is our best friend by far in many ways – which is far more important than a box of DVDs. We want other nations to share that title.
    America needs more friends! Trash likes this makes it look like we’re not worthy of them.

  • cfukara

    There must be better header, MS.
    Say, “US Media learns a psyche-war lesson in ultra-patriotism”

    OR

    “Fledgling Israel-is-Supreme US Media Meets UK’s England-Uber-Alles Media Masters”

  • http://polderjongen.wordpress.com/ polderjongen

    So you DO read “The British Media”.

    Remind me, how long did it take you to mention The Downing Street Memo’s?

  • Cliff

    So that’s a no, then? No help from the giant journalistic brain?

  • cocl

    Also: Churchill was a first class racist who considered himself miles above men like Barack Obama. That alone is a pretty good reason for Obama not to want him in the Oval… — And a pretty good reason why it was incredibly insensitive of PM Brown to give him the biography instead!

    It also seems highly unlikely that the book is not in the White House library already (probably in several copies), so it is not exactly like he needed it.

  • cfukara

    sirdaav Says:
    ” .. The UK is our best friend by far in many ways ..”

    And I know someone who never heard of the Boston Tea Party nor the wars in which UK killed Americans – in droves.

    “Best friend”? Who said?
    When and how did they win that title?
    [Or is it one of those cases - where a country (like Israel) just declares, indeed claims - indeed demands - special consideration and money, in billions of dollars, from the beleaguered tax-payer?
    Extortion, I say!
    So more of our US ex-presidents had roots in that bloody empire of England (which invaded and colonized still colonizes Scotland and Wales and Ireland of the lily-livered, yellow-bellied, chicken-hearted and spineless.)
    But we have more of our citizens with roots in Germany, right?

    Were we bamboozled into this best-friendship thing with imperial England which killed Americans? I demand a recount! I demand ounishing reparations!

    [Do I remembered that Bush#43 tied USA into spending US$200 billion (warplane related sourcing) over the next 10 years in UK of his ancestors! Cheeky devils. Maybe we should re-evaluate that undertaking ..]

  • cfukara

    cocl Says:
    ” .. Churchill was a first class racist who considered himself miles above men like Barack Obama. … a pretty good reason why it was incredibly insensitive of PM Brown to give him the biography instead! …”

    Now that you mention it … psyche war, I say.

    Now that you mention it, the body language (of the feral predator) is evident in those photos we saw out of UK during BHO’s visit with Blair and Brown …

  • Aaron

    Bryan Curtis did a write-up on The Daily Telegraph a few years back.
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    The Daily Telegraph, which Michael Scherer linked to three times is a conservative paper. The other paper that Michael Scherer linked to, The Times, is a conservative paper with a mindset more in line with the other properties of it’s owner, Rupert Murdoch.
    .
    In summary:
    Conservative British Press Dislikes Barack Obama

  • newsfatigue

    As someone who lived for *quite* some time across the pond, I too have been struck by the sour notes struck by the British press corps.
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    Even Michelle Obama has been a target of their wrath. Sarah Vine in a commentary in The Times, is upset by the gifts given to the prime ministers little boys. In return Mrs Obama gave the Brown children, Fraser and John, two toy models of Marine One, the Presidential helicopter. Fair enough on the helicopter part, always a popular choice with small boys; but Marine One? It’s not as though anyone needs reminding that Barack Obama is President or that he has his own helicopter.
    [http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5848073.ece]

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    And in the most viewed article on The Telegraph’s website, James Delingpole tries to turn the first lady into Lady MacBeth! [http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/james_delingpole/blog/2009/03/05/was_lady_macbeth_behind_barack_obamas_snub_of_gordon_brown]
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    I cannot understand why the British press is whipping themeselves up into a frenzy over President Obama. When Ronald Reagan was elected the British press treated him as a benign figure head — a B-movie actor whose government was really being run by “Prime Minister [Edwin] Meese.”
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    Eight years ago, the Brits were ringing their hands over the way that President Bush was wooing Blair with “trysts” at Camp David and the Crawford ranch. Now the Brits have their knickers in a twist, complaining that Gordon Brown didn’t even get dinner! It was a one-night stand!
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    Sure, The Times and The Telegraph are both right of center, but the BBC’s Kevin Connolly has caught the British mood nicely: The British media were discussing whether or not Mr Brown had been “snubbed” by the White House before he had reached the sanctuary of the British Embassy on the night he arrived – and that debate probably helped to shape British perceptions of the trip before it was properly under way. … And underlying it all, of course, was a peculiarly British combination of touchiness and paranoia about the continuing “specialness” of the Special Relationship.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7924876.stm
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    The sun has definitely set on the Empire. God save the Queen!

  • flagrantenigma

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/4947125/Penis-contraption-extends-manhood-by-a-third.html

    If you wondered why Scherer suddenly is interested in the Daily Telegraph…. And no, it is NOT the London Daily Telegraph, nor the London Telegraph. To my endless regret, my uncle wrote for them on a regular basis, and neither he, nor anyone else in Britain ever called it anything but the Daily Telegraph, or, more simply, The Telegraph.

  • Ivy_B

    Out all day, so late to the party, but geez MS — as Stuart has pointed out your links are to one side of the press. Before I finished all the comments, I went to see what The Independent had to say, which is the paper I read when I’m over there. A link is provided below FYI.
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obama-hails-the-bond-with-britain-that-cant-be-broken-1636835.html
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    They had another feature as well –
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/warm-welcome-to-the-peoples-house-1637053.html
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    Alas, guess the Independent isn’t on the Politico or Drudge must read list. I also listened to the BBC and had no sense of disdain there either.

  • Ivy_B

    A further point on the BBC – their news also often depends on who is reporting. They had someone over here covering the elections who was so pro-McCain it was hard to listen to.

  • http://polderjongen.wordpress.com/ polderjongen

    Ivy_B

    I had the same experience.

    And oh, for the others: that rightwing-press isn’t particularly focussed on Obama, it’s more focussed on embarrassing Gordon Brown. Not everything revolves around Obama.

  • formerlyjames

    I think there is more depth to this story than as presented. Contrary to previous post claims that BBC didn’t cover this issue, I have seen it on BBC too. Their DC correspondent, a conservative idiot named Matt Frei went on ad nauseum about it. Is it “special” or just “close”. Gag.
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    The question is, what the hell is this about? I suggest that it is about America reaching out to the world beyond the “special” Anglo/American sphere. Of course UK and US are close. We are the child of the UK, in our own laws, history, religious insanity, culture, and society. We only entered WWI and II because of Britain. France, meanwhile, had already gone down the tubes both times. They are not so enamoured.
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    In modern times, Margret Thatcher and RR got along famously as they both drove our countries into the ground and waged war at will. Argentena made the mistake of thinking UK was too weak to go to war and they paid a severe price for it. John Major was a good chap who pretty much got along with everybody ok. Then comes Blair, who emulated Clinton to win election, and was buddies with him, but not near what he became to his fellow religious nutcase, imperialist neocon fluncky Little Bush. They come as close to a gay international partnership as could be imagined, although the public in Britain wasn’t really happy with it.
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    Now Brown, who has all the charisma of a book on the shelf, and the UK worries losing that specail bond. Really stupid tabloid press. Forget it. Brown probably has more sense than Thatcher, Major, and Blair put together, boring as he may be.
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    About Churchill, the talk of his racism is ill informed. Churchill was more a member of a intrenched class society which still prevails in Britain, and to a lesser extent in the US. Truman, who was a common farm boy was also rascist as a matter of prevailing mores of his time. He also did more to advance equal rights than anybody save LBJ, by integrating the armed forces. But you needn’t dwell on what term he used to refer to African Americans, do you?
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    Great post MS, caused my brain to churn, and only offer a little glimpse of my many thoughts as US foreign policy progresses, I hope.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Okay let me see if I have this straight. A few right wing newsies have their knickers in a knot because the American president has gone out of his way (as he did in his visit to Canada where he didn’t stay for dinner) not to engage in ostentatious displays, or make extravacant purchases during this time of economic distress is a terrible thing.
    .
    So that means that if this president had spent taxpayer funds on a sumptuous state dinner he wouldn’t not have been compared to AIG, Citibank, Bank of America by the right wing echo chamber.
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    MS please — you would have been the first wingnut on that band wagon, promoting John McCain’s faux outrage over the expense of a state dinner, just like he knit picked over a helicopter that was not even ordered by the president.

  • michaelscherer

    Formelyjames,
    I think it is actually more about domestic politics in England. Brown is in a tenuous political position. The press smells blood in the water. (I was asked twice in tv hits about Brown and Obama’s relative political strengths.) They compare his treatment with the Bush treatment of Blair, which was always kind of over the top, given the cooperation on the wars. Then they apply the Brown stuff to the longstanding British post-colonial wounds. So you get this hype cycle.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    “The question is, what the hell is this about? I suggest that it is about America reaching out to the world beyond the “special” Anglo/American sphere.”
    .
    @Formerlyjamess– Yes, it’s a mistake to judge racial nuances mores of a different time by today’s standards. It’s both unfair and counterproductive and as an intellectual Obama wouldn’t engage in this kind of thinking.
    .
    However, what happened to the American tradition of standing up for our guy. It used to be we can criticize our guy all we want but you guys outside our shores better not do it. But I guess Obama doesn’t rate that kind of nationalistic pride huh.
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    MS seems awfully eager to promote the petty negative ruminations of some with the Conservative bent in the U.K. Oh I know, when Bush went overseas and trashed Obama that sent all of our traditions out the window.

  • formerlyjames

    I don’t really care if commentors want to shoot the messanger, as so often happens here, although I think it is a waste of electricity, but this is not MS’s issue. He is presenting an issue he has observed in the British press, and which has not been given much if any space in the American press. Just sayin’.

  • jcapan

    Well, what we learn from statements like this:
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    “Also I spoke with a bunch of British press on Tuesday, which alerted me to the depth of their alarm.”
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    Is that our domestic gossip-paparazzi-whore press has it’s equivalent across the pond. Shocking–the question of course is why “highly regarded Time magazine” would deign to report on such. I’ll save you the trouble re: Japan, Mike, but such coverage exists here too. But if you honestly expect us to believe that your so-called “bunch of British press” is truly “alarm[ed]” about the quality of the Obamas’ gifts and/or level of respect, you are even more the doofus than I took you for. And, amigo, I took you for one of epic proportions already.
    ~
    Abroad, some funny parallels in interpretation exist–for one, most foreigners tend to think the MSM of which you’re a part, Michael, rolled over like a craven b!tch on Iraq and the Bush admin’s egregious violations of the U.S. constitution. “I know I’m late on this” ring any bells? Now, perhaps for the former, you were still with MJ (I don’t know the sequencing of your descent)–but by your own absurd & sweeping generalization, that foreign interp. would include you too.

  • jcapan

    “I think it is actually more about domestic politics in England. Brown is in a tenuous political position. The press smells blood in the water. (I was asked twice in tv hits about Brown and Obama’s relative political strengths.) They compare his treatment with the Bush treatment of Blair, which was always kind of over the top, given the cooperation on the wars. Then they apply the Brown stuff to the longstanding British post-colonial wounds. So you get this hype cycle.”
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    Michael, could you share with us why you’re qualified to comment on Anglo-American relations? I know this is only a blog comment, but you get that it sounds like something in a freshman comp essay? I know you’re the WH correspondent but doesn’t this sound like Access H-wood with leaders of state?

  • Ivy_B

    formerlyjames, our complaint (at least mine) is that MS is presenting only the very right wing of the British press, so his observations are not completely accurate.
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    This is an opinion piece from the Independent, not overly positive, but very different from those that MS links.
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-not-so-special-relationship-1636858.html
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    Oh geez — now All Things Considered is talking with Ian Martin from the Telegraph, who indicates that he is speaking for all British commenters — ZOMG not enough flags!!
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    Indepent link above saw it differently.
    In the event, the British camp was given something almost as good, and arguably better: the new President and Gordon Brown sitting, ostensibly at ease, and taking questions from a few reporters. This suggested that there might have been a more genuine and relaxed exchange of views, however brief, than the cringe-making Colgate toothpaste moment that emerged from Tony Blair’s first meeting with George Bush at Camp David.

  • Ivy_B

    Martin just said that after 18 months into the presidency Obama should have known better. Guess time flies faster over there as well.

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  • Ivy_B

    I know I’m obsessed with this, but this is from the Guardian. They don’t seem to be in Michael’s mode either. Nor are they fussing rudely about the gifts.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/03/gordon-brown-barack-obama-washington-white-house

  • Paul-no not that one

    “so (Scherer’s) observations are not completely accurate.”
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    Have they ever been?
    .
    Looking back on his McCain campaign reporting and comparing it to Newsweek’s coverage is almost painful. I thought for a long while that he was just played but when every “not completely accurate” observation falls in the same direction it is hard not to conclude he knows exactly what he is doing.

  • formerlyjames

    Ivy, thanks for the response, but I don’t see it as a conservative issue. I go to BBC every day as faithfully as I come here, and this is only a continuing discussion I have seen about the UK’s relationship with the US. It is obsessive, conservative or otherwise. The bizarre Bush/Blair link drew as much press, as destructive as it was. The transition from Blair to Brown is a big deal in the UK, even though it may cause only a ripple here. It is a long complicated issue, but here are the basics: Blair and Brown are long time political allies, and Brown deferred to Blair taking the PM seat by mutual agreement; Brown did not agree totally with Blair’s love affair with Bush; Brown is the least recognized PM among the American public in decades (everybody knew Thatcher, Major, Blair); American foreign policy may be in a state of transition (I hope). All of these things come into play to make this a big, big story in UK. Again, I don’t think it is really a conservative vs. liberal story there, it is just a story.

  • Ivy_B

    Formerlyjames, I have absolutely no problem with the way you have described the situation. I have spent at least a week in London every year for the last ten years. I have British friends and pay attention to what goes on over there. I was objecting to Michael’s choosing the most silly commentary and claiming that was representative of the British press.
    .
    I was annoyed with Robert Siegal on ATC doing a giggling interview with that columnist complaining about the lack of flags and the gifts as well. That’s just silly. My last link from the Independent points out some of the Brown / Blair issues.
    .
    Thanks for your response.

  • northleft12

    I read The Guardian every once and a while, and Simon Jeffrey has a similar article mocking members of the British press for getting wound up about this. He only directly mentions The Mail and The Times.

    Up here in Canada our PM and Opposition leader were trying to claim being better buddies with Mr. Obama. Then a national crisis ensued when a recent Gallup poll announced that Canada has slipped behind Great Britain as your [gulp] best ally. Much hilarity ensued in call in shows and blogs across the country. I hear some Aussies were pissed that they did not make the list.

    I guess the world is just like junior high school after all.

  • formerlyjames

    northleft, “junior hight school” indeed. I can’t attribute it entirely to Bush, but wth, his was a sorry administration. As for Americans, I feel pretty comfortable in assuring our UK, Canadian, Aussie cousins that all is well. I am pulling for better relations with Russia.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE5253XS20090306?sp=true

    “I have never understood multiparty democracy.

    “It is hard enough with two parties to come to any resolution, and I say this very respectfully, because I feel the same way about our own democracy, which has been around a lot longer than European democracy.”

    The remark provoked much headshaking in the parliament of a bloc that likes to trace back its democratic tradition thousands of years to the days of classical Greece.

    One working lunch later with EU leaders, Clinton raised more eyebrows when she referred to EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana, who stood beside her, as “High Representative Solano.”

    She also dubbed European Commission External Relations Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner as “Benito.”

    …………. 00 …………..

    Oh well.

    HILLARY HAPPENS.

  • cfukara

    rose83 Says:
    ” .. good work on health care slightly outweighs their poor gift choices. ..”

    And thus the beggar will scrutinize the gift horse in the mouth ….
    So, was BHO buying the gifts or were they bought by the beleagured American taxpayer?
    “best friends”?
    S* the Browns and their english people! Damm, these are the creeps who had that cursed yarn about “45 minutes”!

    If they don’t like the gifts then just send them back – and that will be the end of any “gifts” from us …

  • flacidcasual

    I think the general thrust of British press coverage of Brown’s visit is that Gordon is trying to smarm his way into the President’s good books and failing. The President is a much more popular figure in the UK than the PM, who is being held responsible for the collapsing economy as well as numerous social problems (for example benefit dependency, teenage gangs). The Torygraph (Harnden, Martin etc.) is always going to paint a meeting between two left-of-centre leaders in a way that reflects badly on both. The Mail and Express were always going to start the banging their drums after the Churchill bust was relegated from the Oval Office. Pseudo-nationalist bile spewing is the only thing that removes Princess Di from their front pages. The Times attempts to take a moderate view and maintains a degree of integrity in its political reporting. The red tops are turning Brown into a kind of cartoon incompetent. So to summarise, the response of the British press has everything to do with the political assassination of the Prime Minister and very little to do with animosity towards the US and its President.

  • cfukara

    flacidcasual Says:
    ” .. the response of the British press has …. very little to do with animosity towards the US and its President. “

    We are here to bang up on those begging, colonial brits.
    What are you trying to do – rehabilitate them and thereby deny us, good Americans, our reason for living?

    [Are you, or have you ever been, THE Benedict Arnold?]

  • http://www.fewmets.org/ unclesmrgol

    Of course, when Obama goes to see the Queen, we (along with the Telegraph, Daily Mail, Times of London, and a host of other British outlets) already know what the gifts will be — a pen set artfully crafted from the timbers of the HMS Gannet (to match her copy of the Resolute Desk), some books from famous British childrens’ authors, a model of Marine One, and a set of books on Churchill.

    All gifts, of course, artfully chosen by the Obamas to call attention to the fact that the “special relationship” has been “elevated” to a “special partnership”.

    Maybe she’ll give him Canada, but I doubt it. Probably a copy of the 1964 British movie “Zulu” — encoded for the proper region, of course.

  • cfukara

    unclesmrgol Says:

    :-)

  • laffz

    what’s incorrect about Clinton pointing out the (relative) newness of European democracy? They can “trace back” to Classical Greece all they like, doesn’t make it true. I can trace back my lineage to Barbary pirates but that doesn’t make one. For most of its history Europe has been a collection of prison states.

  • http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/09/25/british-insecurity-wire-gordon-brown-gets-his-bilat/ British Insecurity Wire: Gordon Brown Gets His Bilat! – Swampland – TIME.com

    [...] be in the same city, the British Press, apparently aided by leaks from Downing Street, just has to throw a tantrum of some sort. Is the special relationship between Brown and Obama really special? How [...]

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