In the Arena

On Moderation

David Brooks writes today as a moderate-conservative anguished by Barack Obama’s budget. I’ve known David for almost twenty years now. We’ve had many wonderful conversations, publicly and privately, over those years, and I value the quality of his mind, his decency, his essential sanity. We both consider ourselves moderates, though of different sorts.

But I disagree with him profoundly about the Obama budget–and so, I would venture, do most moderate-liberals. The budget has to be seen in context. We are at the end of a 30-year period of radical conservatism, a period so right-wing that many of those now considered “liberals”–like, say, Barack Obama–would be seen as moderate pantywaists in the great sweep of modern political history. The past 30 years have been such a violent departure from the norm, such a profound destruction of the basic functions of government, that a major rectification is called for now–in rebalancing the system of taxation toward progressivity, in rebuilding the infrastructure of the country, not just physically, but also socially and intellectually.

So it’s not surprising that the President would feel the need to move on all fronts, rather than prioritizing, as Brooks would want. And it should be remembered that not all these initiatives will be acted upon at once. This is a ten-year budget. Some of the more dramatic changes, like the cap-and-trade plan to limit carbon emissions, will be insinuated slowly and not for several years.

In almost every case, Obama has chosen a moderate path of government activism–or left the solutions deliberately vague. His ten-year, $150 billion green energy plan, for example, will mostly be accomplished through the private sector–but it does tilt government toward alternative energy sources and away from the extreme benefits lavished upon oil companies in the past, policies that reeked of crony-capitalism rather than true conservatism.

I could argue that Obama isn’t being radical enough in the areas of health care and education. His health care plan is vague, and he hasn’t quite embraced universality. He rejects left-liberal solutions like a single-payer system out of hand, but also rejects the radical moderation of the Wyden-Bennett plan that would immediately relieve corporate America of its health care burdens. I fear that the ultimate result, without strong guidance from the Administration, will be an homage to health industry lobbyists and assorted Congressional health eccentrics. His education plan is also small-c conservative, working within the current, failed-to-mediocre system of local-controlled public education and rejecting some of the more creative calls for root-and-branch reform (like taking education out of local hands, for example).

I could pick out plenty of other things about the budget I don’t like. But those are debates about particulars and they will take place in the legislative process–you’ll be hearing plenty from me about all of this in the months to come. But the question on the table now is this: Is the Obama budget the right direction to take in a macro sense. I believe that the broad thrust of the plan is not only the correct way to go and an essential rebalancing toward the center–but also, it seems to me, the path of moderation and prudence at a moment of significant national peril.

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  • greenlyfe

    Great response to Brooks, but I want to take on this point you raise rather casually here:

    His education plan is also small-c conservative, working within the current, failed-to-mediocre system of local-controlled public education and rejecting some of the more creative calls for root-and-branch reform (like taking education out of local hands, for example).

    This is extreme in my view. I think we can achieve a great deal of reform in the current system simply by articulating new federal guidelines that make sense (rather than the unfunded mandates in no child left behind) and tying these as requirements to getting federal funds. We have, on the federal level, the power of the purse. However, in keeping the current system of education decisions at the local level we also have the opportunity for people to opt-out of decisions made at a federal level and try something new. Politically, I think this is very important. It allows for innovation and experimentation that would not occur IMO in a monolithic federal-run bureaucracy.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    So David Brooks ignores history in order to redefine the Center to the extreme Right.
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    Imagine my surprise!

  • stuartzechman

    Joe Klein:
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    Aha!
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    I disagree with him profoundly about the Obama budget–and so, I would venture, do most moderate-liberals.
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    So you’re calling yourself a “moderate-liberal” now?
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    Or are you just in agreement with most “moderate-liberals”?
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    And Barack Obama is a “liberal” (your quotes)?
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    He rejects left-liberal solutions…
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    OK, so he’s a liberal but not “one of those liberals”? Who are “those liberals”? DFH’s who opposed the Iraq war from the start…no, wait…
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    but also rejects the radical moderation
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    “radical moderation”? Now you’re getting completely incoherent, Joe Klein.
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    I believe that the broad thrust of the plan is not only the correct way to go and an essential rebalancing toward the center
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    Got it now. You’re still a centrist, Joe Klein.
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    What a mess your ideology makes of things!

  • kathy

    Obama’s budget sort of makes clear how foolish, just as an example, some on the left were to have a cat fit about Rick Warren giving the benediction. If he pulls this off he will have made changes more sweeping than most of us could have believed possible politically in such a short time. So I’m inclined to give him a pass on some of the minor disagreements and to support him to the core on his big initiatives.

  • mfritter

    What, exactly, does “conservative” mean any more? Perhaps David Brooks could identify some. Let’s leave out Rush. Who in Congress? Can a conservative believe in biology? Defend the right to abortion? Opose the Israeli settlement program?

    What became of the conservative movement and why? Perhaps someone of Brooks’ stature and access could address the problems on his side of the street, take some responsibility for the dreadful consequences and propose some conservative solutions for the so-called conservative party.

    Until, the so-called moderate conservatives start doing this, they will have nothing to say worth listening to.

  • Matt

    Whatever action Obama has taken is a far moire palatable alternative than the Limbaugh anarchy and hate-speech against anything and everything Obama that’s been served up by the GOP.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    @SZ,
    I’m sure you realize that the problem is that there is no singe left/right sliding scale. I’m to the right of many when discussing taxes, budgets & rewarding irresponsibilty. On privacy, Civil liberties and defense, I am a full flegded DFH.
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    Whats even worse than being a centrist, is being a centrist on principle. Anyone who’s built a consistent philosopy on their own can identify where they stand by applying their principles to the issue at hand. JK and Brooks on the other hand, prefer to think that if two sides disagree, the truth must be in the middle. This not only leads to moral inconsistency, but it’ how Joe occasionally finds himself trapped arguing with earlier versions of himself.

  • stuartzechman

    Obama’s budget sort of makes clear how foolish, just as an example, some on the left were to have a cat fit about Rick Warren giving the benediction.
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    How so, Kathy?
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    Assuming for the moment that differences of opinion on legitimizing anti-equality spokespeople is a “minor disagreement”, what if Obama had done so, and all he heard was wild applause for it from the right and center?
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    Wouldn’t it be “foolish” of the left (and gay people, I guess) not to voice their opposition loud and clear?

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    “… rebuilding the infrastructure of the country, not just physically, but also socially and intellectually.”
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    Well put. I think especially (as George Lakoff discussed the other day) the *systemic* problems of the failure of the banking system, and climate change, are almost inconceivable to the modern “conservative” mind. It just doesn’t fit into their ideology. (Conservative in scare quotes, because were the actions in Iraq “conservative”? In both the invasion and the “rebuilding”, Burke would have been horrified.) This is a moment like the New Deal, where the nation’s political system has to adjust to the changes introduced with the industrial revolution. Even conservative idols like Russell Kirk and de Tocqueville worried about the effects of industrialization…

  • plukasiak

    from the “stopped clock is alway right twice a day” file…
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    I fear that the ultimate result, without strong guidance from the Administration, will be an homage to health industry lobbyists and assorted Congressional health eccentrics.
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    no doubt JK will revert to form soon enough…

  • Friar Tuck

    I’m not sure if Joe is describing a Rorshach test he took, or one he is giving us, but that’s what the post amounts to. The whole center-right-middle-conservative-pantywaist-progressive-whig thing means whatever Joe wants it to means when he writes it.
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    On balance, not the most illuminating thing ever posted.

  • gsm

    If I may add to greenlyfe’s comment: I second the endorsement of the overall critique of Brooks.
    But, there is too much glib misunderstanding about local control of schools by people who don’t do it. As a small town school board member of a pretty competent school system, my experience is that almost always state or federal mandates are ill-conceived, under-financed, badly-sequenced and therefore virtually incapable of positive implementation. Call me a dreamer, but I would love a system in which local schools would be treated as real collaborators with a state or federal department of education. A top-down bureaucracy has been a hinderance, not a help to our students and teachers.
    And, one of the fundamental tasks of a school system is to help shape the next generation of active citizens, not just to create new market place competitors. What kind of message about democracy does it send to students if a bigger branch of government decides that local citizens are not competent to run such institutions?

  • plukasiak

    OK, so he’s a liberal but not “one of those liberals”? Who are “those liberals”? DFH’s who opposed the Iraq war from the start…no, wait…
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    I think Joe is defining Obama as a “borrow and spend” centrist…
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    in essence, we’re getting the worst of both worlds here — fiscal irresponsibility in the name of policies that move the “Overton window” well to the right by redefining “liberal” as center-right policies (like charter schools, big bank bailouts, and massive deficit producing middle class tax cuts.)

  • plukasiak

    What kind of message about democracy does it send to students if a bigger branch of government decides that local citizens are not competent to run such institutions?
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    the kind of democracy that doesn’t allow local school boards to mandate the teaching of ‘creation science’, for one thing…
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    ultimately, the question comes down to money and accountability — inequities in funding/resources correlate closely with “successful/failing” schools, but just throwing money at failing schools is not the answer either.

  • sqr1

    We’ve had many wonderful conversations, publicly and privately, over those years, and I value the quality of his mind, his decency, his essential sanity.
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    Yes, compared to the Palin-Limbaugh-Malkin wing of the GOP — or, I should say, compared to the vast majority of public “intellectuals” on the Right — Brooks appears sane. But his whiny screed is not the manifesto of a genuine conservative who is making good-faith criticisms. It is not intellectually honest. It isn’t even well-argued.
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    There is a time and a place for complaining about America’s welfare system. There is a time and a place for discussing how to make America’s burdens “shared broadly, rather than simply inflicted upon a small minority.” There is a time and a place for Brooks’ conservative “vision that puts competitiveness and growth first, not redistribution first.”
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    That time and place is not the op-ed page of the NY Times while America on the day after American taxpayers “redistribute” another $30 billion to AIG.
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    Brooks is no moderate. A moderate would be outraged that a tiny minority of the world’s population has nearly destroyed the world’s financial system. A moderate would not be whining about that “no new burdens will fall on 95 percent of the American people” even as millions of Americans have lost their jobs and the rest of us have to suffer through a recession or depression. A moderate wouldn’t think the “first task will be to block the excesses of unchecked liberalism” while we suffering daily through the excesses of unchecked Republican deregulation.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    mfritter wants a specific defense of conservatism from Brooks.
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    It will never, ever happen.
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    Brooks writes about his emotions and develops his schtick. He’s a bright enough, pleasant enough fellow. Sometimes he writes something worth thinking about.
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    But it all must be viewed in the context of his “sensible centrist” schtick. (See Greenwald on Broder today for more on that). It’s unprincipled, by definition. And he came up in the right-wing para-media, so he’s predisposed to defend his “side,” the GOP, regardless of any principles involved.
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    Of course he’ll attack Obama; of course he’ll do it in a mild, hand-wringing, polite manner. His critique will never, ever involve principles or context.

  • mfritter

    Exactly Elvis,

    First, Brooks is a fraud and should be ignored. Second, is there anybody anywhere in the so-called conservative movement who will take any responsibility for what happened? I’m not aware of anyone.

  • Hammerlock

    To me, there are two very key differences between Obama’s large budget and Bush’s:
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    1) Obama is accounting for everything up front. The budget has a staggeringly large sticker shock, but taken in context of a 10-year plan it gets somewhat more reasonable. Bush would submit a deficit-incurring budget, and THEN tack on “Emergency spending” bills that equalled its size later in the year (ostensibly for the ‘war costs’ but there were lots of other items unrelated in them).
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    2) Obama has a plan and a vision. Bush…well, we’ve already covered his inability to plan beyond “Oil good, terrist bad” and like his father he wasn’t so good at that “vision thing”–how many tangents and abandoned goals were strewn throughout his terms? Mars mission, the ephemeral and elusive hydrogen car, integrity to the oval office, etc.
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    Obama is no Bush. Much like someone buying a home, he’s come in with plans on how to redecorate…only to find the water heater’s broken, raiders have stripped out most of the copper pipes, the wiring’s shot, and there’s some water damage on the south side. You could ignore some of that in the short term, but unless you start writing some checks and doing hard work things will only deteriorate further and be more expensive down the line to fix.
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    The banking system is a wreck, the investment market is shot, roads and bridges and the electrical grid are all in dire need of upgrade/maintenance/replacement, and our health care system is maybe 10 years away from being unable to sustain care for the vast majority of the population–it’s already an instant bankruptcy for 15% of america to use.
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    We need bold ideas and a brave plan. Obama’s budget has audacity and the virtue of never being fully tried before. It might yet fail, but sitting around and applying half-@ssed bandaids is no longer an option. The last decade ensured that one.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    From Tanenhaus’s “Conservatism is Dead” essay:

    Schlesinger noted… there was a strange disconnect. Kirk and others genuinely revered traditional conservatism. And yet, once “they leave the stately field of rhetoric and get down to actual issues of social policy, they tend quietly to forget about Burke and Disraeli and to adopt the views of the American business community.”

    Who have been Brooks’s paymasters all these years? He and his movement have been trained well by the Scaifes and the like.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    David Brooks, the moderate
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/06/opinion/06BROO.html?ex=1388725200&en=39e0c5c2749496d1&ei=5007
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    Do you ever get the sense the whole world is becoming unhinged from reality? I started feeling that way awhile ago, when I was still working for The Weekly Standard and all these articles began appearing about how Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Bill Kristol and a bunch of “neoconservatives” at the magazine had taken over U.S. foreign policy.
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    Theories about the tightly knit neocon cabal came in waves. One day you read that neocons were pushing plans to finish off Iraq and move into Syria. Web sites appeared detailing neocon conspiracies; my favorite described a neocon outing organized by Dick Cheney to hunt for humans. The Asian press had the most lurid stories; the European press the most thorough. Every day, it seemed, Le Monde or some deep-thinking German paper would have an exposé on the neocon cabal, complete with charts connecting all the conspirators.
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    The full-mooners fixated on a think tank called the Project for the New American Century, which has a staff of five and issues memos on foreign policy. To hear these people describe it, PNAC is sort of a Yiddish Trilateral Commission, the nexus of the sprawling neocon tentacles.
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    We’d sit around the magazine guffawing at the ludicrous stories that kept sprouting, but belief in shadowy neocon influence has now hardened into common knowledge. Wesley Clark, among others, cannot go a week without bringing it up.
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    In truth, the people labeled neocons (con is short for “conservative” and neo is short for “Jewish”) travel in widely different circles and don’t actually have much contact with one another. The ones outside government have almost no contact with President Bush. There have been hundreds of references, for example, to Richard Perle’s insidious power over administration policy, but I’ve been told by senior administration officials that he has had no significant meetings with Bush or Cheney since they assumed office. If he’s shaping their decisions, he must be microwaving his ideas into their fillings.

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    Well he maybe a moderate but he is DEFINITELY a dumb ass.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Perfect Brooks quote from sgwhite. At the end of the day, Brooks is a loyal partisan. He said what he believed the GOP needed to have said in 2004; he does the same today. (Could neoconservatism be any different from conservatism, btw? Yet neocon militarist nationalism is 100% of GOP foreign policy today). Different tone, different trappings, same schtick.
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    mfritter, I’d say Brooks shouldn’t be ignored because he occasionally says something interesting, and because it’s worthwhile to know what today’s justification for GOP interests might be. And avoiding responsibility is in the conservative DNA, right there with a lack of capacity for shame.

  • stuartzechman

    I’m sure you realize that the problem is that there is no singe left/right sliding scale. I’m to the right of many when discussing…
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    Dirks: you know I’m with you on that.
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    The left and right sliding scale has been grossly distorted in this country, in no small measure because of centrists like Joe Klein’s pathological hatred of “the left”, but also because of single-issue advocacy institutions’ short-term gain-oriented political tactics.
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    That said:
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    Whats even worse than being a centrist,
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    What’s even worse than being a centrist is being a dishonest centrist who blames the excesses of Bushism squarely on the radical right, instead of the centrist enablers in the Beltway who were too concerned about being identified with the awful “left” than stopping the madness.
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    When Joe proclaims “We are at the end of a 30-year period of radical conservatism“, he needs to add “abetted by centrists in the Democratic party and Beltway establishment“, or he’s being terribly dishonest about how the his kind and the rightists got us into this mess.
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    If there had been less “moderates” (centrists) like Joe Klein in the Democratic party establishment for the past eight (or twenty) years, and more liberals, then the rightists would have had to fight every inch of the way toward perdition.
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    When Joe Klein declares that “a major rectification is called for now-“, “socially and intellectually“, he needs to include his own brand of ideology, or explain to the public how it was that a lack of “moderation” on liberals’ part caused their representatives in Congress to vote for the rightist cause in Iraq.
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    Once again, the people who were right all along about the war or deregulation –everything– are somehow still “extreme” or “radical” according to the centrist ideology of Joe Klein.

  • bitterpill8

    While Brooks and other anxiety-filled opinionmeisters fret and fume President Obama, VP Biden and Mrs Obama are visiting each and every government department/agency engaging those who will have to play a significant role in the economic recovery program. The much maligned civil service is getting some attention and being asked to help. Success or failure lies there; not in the gasbaggery that takes place among those who have not had to deliver goods and service to us rubes.

    Let the op-eds continue for they provide employment if nothing else and help feed those who love circular arguments. But spare a moment to look at the people who will actually have to deliver as opposed to the Wall Street types who brought us to this place.

  • lidster

    Joe, your history is simply incorrect when you say: “The past 30 years have been such a violent departure from the norm, such a profound destruction of the basic functions of government, that a major rectification is called for now”.

    Reagan’s policies were not a “departure” but a return. You may obviously disagree with his policies but they were not new. The “chicago boys” themsevles who played a vital role in the intellectual formulation of Reagan’s policies regurlarly invoked their own lessons learned from the Gilded Age and Victorian England after the repeal of the Corn Laws and advocated a return to this more traditional role of laissez-faire.

    Moreover, Reagan’s policies were far more in step with the traditional role of American government. Your understanding of the “norm” of government is largely founded on the period 1933-1981 which itself should be understood as a departure from history.

    Whatever your view, liberal or conservative it is fundamentally incorrect to argue that Obama’s policies represent an historical norm in the United States. Of course, merely being a departure does not mean Obama’s policies are wrong, but your history is simply false.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Sz, kathy–
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    Wouldn’t it be “foolish” of the left (and gay people, I guess) not to voice their opposition loud and clear?

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    And Obama seems to be just fine when people express opposition loud and clear. You’ve heard the administration remark on the vacuity of cable chatterers, but not about people who are committed to causes,and express themselves loud and clear.
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    And sz, you’ve got mail.

  • stuartzechman

    I guess I have to re-post what I wrote to that non-responsive weenie Jay Carney in December of 2007:
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    Jay:
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    Nobody outside of the Village cares about David Brooks’ opinion on any subject, because this is a person whose credibility (outside of the DC cocktail party circuit) has been destroyed by being endlessly, perversely wrong in every prediction and prescription for at least the past eight years.
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    Here are some quotes from the prophet Brooks’ column shown here to illustrate just how foolish it would be for any sane person to actually give his nonsense a moment’s thought (requires login to NYTimes site):
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    From Take A Deep Breath, April 10, 2004:

    Come on people, let’s get a grip. This week, Chicken Littles like Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd were ranting that Iraq is another Vietnam. Pundits and sages were spinning a whole series of mutually exclusive disaster scenarios: Civil war! A nationwide rebellion! Maybe we should calm down a bit.

    This is one of my favorites! Just think of the kind of person who would write this idiocy.
    From In Iraq, America’s Shakeout Moment, May 18, 2004

    There’s something about our venture into Iraq that is inspiringly, painfully, embarrassingly and quintessentially American. No other nation would have been hopeful enough to try to evangelize for democracy across the Middle East. No other nation would have been naive enough to do it this badly. No other nation would be adaptable enough to recover from its own innocence and muddle its way to success, as I suspect we are about to do.

    Here’s another gem!
    From Can We Save Iraq? No, but the Iraqis Can, January 11, 2005

    The arrival of a new government will also mean the end of the American-dominated authority. The new, Shiite-led government will begin debating when the Americans should leave. The new government will remake the intelligence service. It will transform the military, probably bringing in members of the Badr Brigade, trained in Iran, to join the former Baathist elements. The army will grow, and its soldiers will finally have an authentic Iraqi government to fight for.

    And this truly amazing thought:
    From Stepping Out of the Tar Pit, February 1, 2005:

    The journey back from where these people have been is not a straight shot, which we can readily understand. In Washington, senators make facile arguments about improving the training of Iraqi troops, trying to reduce problems of motivation to problems of technique. Ted Kennedy gave a speech last week blithely insisting that the terrorists are winning the war for the hearts and minds of Iraqis. Brent Scowcroft warned of incipient civil war, denigrating the Iraqis’ ability to manage their own tensions. In fact, these are a people who voted at higher rates in the face of death than we do in the face of inconvenience. These are a people who have used the campaign as a process of therapy and self-education. These people have just built the most democratic government in the Arab world.

    This is just fantasy:
    From Giving Wolfowitz His Due, March 8, 2005:

    If the trends of the last few months continue, [Former Deputy Defense Secretary, Paul] Wolfowitz will be the subject of fascinating biographies decades from now, while many of his smuggest critics will be forgotten. Those biographies will mention not only his intellectual commitment but also his personal commitment, his years spent learning the languages of the places that concerned him, and the thousands of hours spent listening deferentially to the local heroes who led the causes he supported.

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    I could go on and on…
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    Only in the Village does being constantly, spectacularly wrong about everything cement your super-star status as “an important columnist”.
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    Only in the Village can people believe that the internet doesn’t exist, that whatever one blathers every day won’t be available instantly for re-examination later, and that folks in general aren’t aware of how badly the established press corps have failed them.
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    Only you guys take this person’s ideas “Seriously”. It’s rather bizarre that you think Brooks’ latest is useful to us in some way other than for its comedic value. He’s irrelevant; his columns instructive only as a demonstration of how out of touch Beltway writers really are.
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    Seriously, when are you going to figure this out, Jay?

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    Seriously, when are they going to figure this out?
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    Nobody out here has any respect for head Bush cheerleader David Brooks’ opinion regarding the disasters he helped create.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    The Culture War is at its roots, pure dixie. The Neocons gave it a veneer of intellectual respectability–although their resentment of elites were real too… Add the electorally potent *Emerging Republican Majority* with its Southern Strategy and the treetops propaganda of the Neoconservatives to convert the Washington “intelligencia” into true Reagnite believers, and voila, you’ve got a recipe for movement success over the last few decades. Brooks is resentment-lite. He knows how to do resentment against the “New Class“, but makes those terrible, misguided altruists hate themselves in respectable and soothing tones.

  • 53_3

    “We are at the end of a 30-year period of radical conservatism, a period so right-wing that many of those now considered “liberals”–like, say, Barack Obama–would be seen as moderate pantywaists in the great sweep of modern political history. The past 30 years have been such a violent departure from the norm, such a profound destruction of the basic functions of government, that a major rectification is called for now–in rebalancing the system of taxation toward progressivity, in rebuilding the infrastructure of the country, not just physically, but also socially and intellectually.”
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    Fellow commenters:
    I apologize for keeping all of Joe’s quote in my comments, but, because it is such an important observation, I feel it is necessary.
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    This is the first assessment of GOP conduct I have ever seen that is not either tainted by partisan bias, or by psuedo equivalence. For those of you who have not been around as long as I have (40 years as an adult) this observation of Joe’s stands head and shoulders above all others.
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    This is the context in which all of us should be looking at for reference when politics is discussed!

  • Art Pepper

    JK – thanks for defending the Obama budget priorities, and for pointing out that Obama is “radical left” only under the rules of GOP talking points. Can you go onto CNN or Chris Matthews and articulate this?
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    I won’t dwell on Brooks because I don’t see the point. Also I feel some pity for the guy – the base of his own party despises him.
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    Everyone has something to nitpick so here is mine:
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    Some of the more dramatic changes, like the cap-and-trade plan to limit carbon emissions, will be insinuated slowly and not for several years.
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    Yet this is arguably the most urgent priority. If some researchers are correct, the window of opportunity is closing fast.

  • Art Pepper

    Also what 53_3 said.

  • Cliff

    His education plan is also small-c conservative, working within the current, failed-to-mediocre system of local-controlled public education and rejecting some of the more creative calls for root-and-branch reform (like taking education out of local hands, for example).
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    Oh, and also firing the teachers in the inner cities! Seems like you think that’s a good idea too – you know, because we pay them too much.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    It would be a refreshing change to see one of the members of the centrist cult actually attempt to define “moderation” just once. Personally I think it is a distortion of the term to associate it with any one political policy or another. Moderation is actually an ethical term and the only center it is concerned with is finding the mean between two vices.

  • centfan

    I think the only thing that’s changed in the last 30 years is not so much the radicalization of conservatism but the packaging, labeling, and promotion of hot button talking points (by the media and its marketers) that allow no differentiation without the loss of conservative cred.
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    There is no defined “left”. There is only what isn’t “right”. “Left” talking points haven’t been packaged to nearly the same degree, not only because they range too much, but, quite frankly, many of the traditional “left” groups have made the media too uncomfortable to keep trotting out the stereotypes. The media only deals in stereotypes for popular consumption.
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    And it puzzles me why “centrist” is a dirty word. If the “right” is nothing but lock-step drones (mostly white, middle-aged, heterosexual, Christian males) and the “left” is a widely scattered plethora of disjointed special interest groups with no conformity to a particular agenda, wouldn’t “centrists” be the ones trying to take the best ideas available from both slopes of the bell curve and create practical plans for their implementation?
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    A centrist finds it hard to dig folks heads out of the sand or pluck them from the drifting wind. People have to want to take a stab at reality.

  • http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=18082 Balloon Juice » Blog Archive » Klein on the Budget

    [...] Joe Klein seems to get it: [...]

  • southernbell49

    I’ve been boycotting Politico because I think their site is pretty much crap that rarely offers any kind of indepth examination of the issues but I’m glad I peeped in today because of this quote by Dean Baker that I found:

    “It is important to understand that the Dow is moved by people who thought that Bernie Madoff is a genius and that Pets.com was worth tens of billions of dollars. And, they somehow could not see an $8 trillion housing bubble right in front of their faces.

    The people who move markets are not people with a deep understanding of the economy or anything else. It would be absolutely crazy to try to run economic policy based on the peculiar quirks of the Wall Street crew.”

  • vandeman

    “We are at the end of a 30-year period of radical conservatism, a period so right-wing…” Joe you are nuts to characterize the last 30 years as “radical conservatism”. The last 30 years has seen unprecedented growth and reach of government. The federal government now has tentacles in to virtually every facet of our lives, from regulating how much water we flush down our toilets to “measuring” the success of our children in school. State, county, and municipal government growth and reach has been equally impressive. Government budgets continue to grow well in excess of inflation and the shear number of government employees has exploded to the point that I look forward to government holidays because my commute time improves so much. True conservatism (not George W. Bush), includes the principals of enumerated powers, limited government, personal responsibility, and freedom from tyranny. The last 30 years have seen nothing but an erosion of these principals and a secularization of our nation. If you consider the United States to be currently “radically conservative”, I truly fear to live in a nation that would satisfy your “progressive” desires…Sweden maybe, Cuba, Venezuela???

  • spob

    For Brooks to be suprised at Obama’s actions–shows Brooks is a moron.

  • piper1

    Shorter Vandeman: Conservativism never fails, it is only failed by insufficient purity.

  • Ivy_B

    Love the quote southernbell — thanks for doing the dirty work of going to Politico!

  • vandeman

    piper1: Touche

  • stuartzechman

    And it puzzles me why “centrist” is a dirty word. If the “right” is nothing but lock-step drones (mostly white, middle-aged, heterosexual, Christian males) and the “left” is a widely scattered plethora of disjointed special interest groups with no conformity to a particular agenda, wouldn’t “centrists” be the ones trying to take the best ideas available from both slopes of the bell curve and create practical plans for their implementation?
    .
    centfan
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    Where did you get the idea that right and left are composed as such?
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    How do you know that the stereotypes you describe aren’t…well, stereotypes (from 1993)?
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    Even if these stereotypes of yours were based in some kind of reality enough to accurately describe real situations, why does it necessarily follow that centrists are trying to “create practical plans”?
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    Is it not just as likely that centrists are trying to mass market an agenda nobody really wants to low-information voters in order to hold on to political power?
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    The reason “centrist” is a dirty word is because, without centrists in power, the right didn’t have enough power to enact its extremist, radical agenda all by itself.
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    The centrists saw the drunk rightist driver getting behind the wheel of the country, heard the leftists shout “Hey, take away the keys!“, walked up to the car to hear the rightist yell “Get away, liberal, before I run you over!“, and promptly pointed to the leftists, saying “I’m not a liberal! There’s the liberal over there…
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    With all due respect, was voting for the Iraq war one of these “best ideas available from both slopes of the bell curve” you mentioned, centfan?

  • http://www.peterhsu.org astarf

    While by dollar-value the majority of the Bush tax cuts went to the rich, it’s worth noting that the percentage of federal taxes paid by the rich actually increased — which means that our tax code became more progressive. Saying we can fund all these massive new entitlements with tax increases on the top 2-5% is a nice myth, but it’s just that — it will eventually require across the board tax increases.

  • stuartzechman

    The last 30 years have seen nothing but an erosion of these principals and a secularization of our nation.
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    No, we’ve always been a secular nation.
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    The last thirty years have seen a slight secularization of Iran, maybe.

  • stuartzechman

    astarf:
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    it’s worth noting that the percentage of federal taxes paid by the rich actually increased
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    Links to sources, please?

  • http://sucktherainbow.com/2009/03/03/david-brooks-outright-liar/ David Brooks, Outright Liar « Suck the Rainbow

    [...] There is something about this very simple fact that drives every Republican insane and makes them lie about it, jointly and severally.  The entire party cannot comprehend how basic, fair and un-radical that tax policy is.  It would only be radical if you contrast it with the prior thirty years of radical conservatism, conceived in voodoo economics circa 1980 and culminating in a global meltdown circa 2009.  Compare Brooks to Joe Klein, aka Jokeline, who after his long history of not getting it, gets it. [...]

  • http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/joe-klein-on-obama-as-moderate/ Joe Klein on Obama as moderate « Later On

    [...] in Daily life, Democrats, Government, Obama administration at 11:21 am by LeisureGuy Interesting column by Klein: David Brooks writes today as a moderate-conservative anguished by Barack Obama’s [...]

  • http://donklephant.com/2009/03/03/brooks-and-klein-spar-over-moderate-budget-meme/ Donklephant » Blog Archive » Brooks And Klein Spar Over “Moderate” Budget Meme

    [...] now we get to Joe Klein, and he explains why Obama’s agenda is hardly leftist… In almost every case, Obama has chosen a moderate [...]

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate
  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…left the solutions deliberately vague…”

    Yes, voting PRESENT as a career will do that.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    And now a tome not from Time about socialism…

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090303/ap_on_bi_ge/fed_consumer_credit

    Obama’s SPASTIC fiscal plans, if they can be called plans, will in the not too long run drive up all costs, drive up taxes, drive up unemployment, drive up government malfeasance, drive up the debt, drive up the personal economic decline, drive up the short selling against the box.

    These attempts to supplant the normal if forever imperfect markets did not start with Obama (thanks again FDR) but they are being expanded to the point of such short-sighted STUPIDITY that it will take brains broader than those that infest the tree killing cauldrons at the New York Times to soon tell the truth about them.

    Some change, that one.

    Move On indeed.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…The past 30 years have been such a violent departure from the norm, such a profound destruction of the basic functions of government, that a major rectification is called for now–in rebalancing the system of taxation toward progressivity, in rebuilding the infrastructure of the country, not just physically, but also socially and intellectually…”

    And you thought Howard Scream was a NUT JOB.

  • flagrantenigma

    No, Hula, we just think that worshipping Reagan’s hairy old ass doesn’t make you a statesman. Sadly, you appear to imagine that posterior adoration makes you an intellectual.

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