In the Arena

State of the Union

As he heads into his big budget speech tonight–the rookie equivalent of a State of the Union Address–Barack Obama gets high marks from the public in both the New York Times and the Washington Post polls. The Republican attempt to play politics as usual at a time of national crisis receives low marks. Indeed, a staggering 79% believe that the GOP should expend more effort on finding a bipartisan middle ground with the President, while only 17% believe they should “stick to Republican policies.” By contrast, 56% believe Obama should stick to his policies and 39% think he should work harder at bipartisanship.

This seems an unfettered public rebuke of the anachronistic Republican strategy. And I predict–fearlessly, of course–that the President will be able to pick off more Republican votes as he moves into specific policy reform areas. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were Republican votes to be found in support of universal health insurance, especially if the final package offers the business community relief from that burden. There are also Republican environmentalists–John McCain comes to mind–who may favor Obama’s energy program (especially if Obama remains persistent in his quest to clean up military procurement, a McCain obsession).

Faced with this swelling tide of activism, David Brooks makes his usual, intelligent case for Burkean conservatism–and against the innate optimism of liberals–in the Times today. If Obama tries to do everything, Brooks argues, he will do nothing well. Perhaps. But, in a time of crisis, a half-baked effort is better than no effort at all. In any case, the column leaves a crucial question unanswered: And therefore…what? Is there any alternative for Obama but to try to confront the problems coming at him like an amped-up video game? And if the President has no choice but to try to solve everything, what does the loyal–hah–opposition do? Clearly, the skeevy Republican attempt to distort and play politics with Obama’s stimulus plan didn’t work.

A few weeks ago, Sam Tanenhaus announced the death of conservatism in The New Republic, but offered a reasonable (Burkean) path for conservatives in a liberal era. With the pendulum swinging left, the conservative job is to sand down the rougher edges of the liberal proposals–to be a constant damper on undue liberaloptimism about the perfectability of the human condition, a constant force for accountability–just as Bill Clinton’s New Democrats sanded down the rough edges of Reaganism, offering a more humane reform of existing social policies, when the pendulum was swinging right.

Given Obama’s insistence on accountability and fiscal discipline, there seems a real opportunity for cooperation here. All the Republicans have to do is shed their archaic obsessive-compulsive attempts to deny the legitimacy of a smart and popular President and come to the understanding that, in a time of crisis, opposition is not a political game, but a solemn responsibility.

Update: Commenter Shepherdwong thinks my use of “liberaloptimism” above was a “jab.” Actually, it was a typo. As I’ve written in the past, I’m far more comfortable with optimism than with pessimism. If I didn’t think there were ways to ameliorate most of our public policy problems, I would have quit this dodge a decade ago to hang out at the beach and write novels.

Related Topics: Uncategorized
  • Latest on Swampland

    Jim Bourg / Reuters

    At CPAC, Romney Stresses Conservative Credentials

    Three days after a trifecta of losses underlined lingering questions about his ability to win over the Republican Party’s base, Mitt Romney arrived at CPAC to allay skeptics’ fears. Throughout his second bid for the GOP nomination, Romney has made his business bona fides the centerpiece of his candidacy. But on Friday, before a packed room at the annual conservative confab, he sought to emphasize the record he compiled in Massachusetts. “I was a severely conservative governor,” he told the crowd. “I know conservatism, because I have lived conservatism.” 

    Romney: I Was A 'Severely Conservative' GovernorHuffPost Politics

    Pablo Martinez Monsivais / AP

    Mired in the Sticky Politics of Health and Faith, Obama Shifts on Contraception

    In the face of mounting pressure from Catholic leaders and politicians, the White House on Friday tweaked its position on contraception coverage mandates in the Affordable Care Act. Rather than require large religious institutions like Catholic colleges and hospitals to provide employees with free health insurance coverage for contraception, insurance companies themselves will have to pick up the tab.

  • junkmailqueen

    I wonder if Rasmussen can come up with one of its trademark “polls” (quotes intentional…) in time for the GOP response to the speech? They must be scrambling today. “No coffee breaks for you!”

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Wow. For a second there, Joe Klein and Glenn Greenwald were writing the same thing. The singularity approacheth.
    -
    I fail to see how launching a jihad to remake the Middle East in our image was Burkean, but the less said about David Brooks, the better.
    -
    As to the larger point, we really need a patriotic, intelligent, conservative opposition party now. It’s kinda funny, of course, to watch them flounder about and make America hate them even more (and to watch Jay Newton-Small try to spray perfume on the turd). But it really is terrible for the country.
    -
    There is no indication– none– that the GOP base wants sanity, or that anyone in the national GOP wants to act like a grown-up. They’re more and more extreme, responding to their delusional, discredited, Limbaugh-loving base. It’s a death spiral worse even than the one they created in the US economy.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there were Republican votes to be found in support of universal health insurance, especially if the final package offers the business community relief from that burden.
    .
    I wouldn’t be so sure. After all, the stimulus that just passed was endorsed by the National Association of Manufacturers. The current posturing has pointedly ignored the needs of the business community and instead pandered to the slogan-friendly base.
    .
    Remember that Eric Cantor told JNS this:
    I knew about the endorsements from some of the business groups for sure, but their obligation is not to the voters and the people of this country like mine is,” Cantor says. “I feel that my obligation is to be a prudent guardian of taxpayer money.”

  • plukasiak

    As he heads into his big budget speech tonight–the rookie equivalent of a State of the Union Address–Barack Obama gets high marks from the public in both the New York Times and the Washington Post polls. The Republican attempt to play politics as usual at a time of national crisis receives low marks. Indeed, a staggering 79% believe that the GOP should expend more effort on finding a bipartisan middle ground with the President, while only 17% believe they should “stick to Republican policies.” By contrast, 56% believe Obama should stick to his policies and 39% think he should work harder at bipartisanship.
    _
    why does the media insist upon framing this in terms of “bipartisanship”?
    _
    The American people don’t want “bi-partisanship” — they aren’t looking for solutions that are acceptable to both political parties, they want programs and ideas that will work. That is non-partisanship, not bipartisanship.
    _
    The use of the word “bipartisan” is intrinsic to the reductivist nature of the media, in which all issues are simplified and dichotomous. “Bipartisan” allows all questions to be presented from within the “Democratic vs Republican” framework — and reduces the potential to arrive at solutions to complex problems to discusses of a very limited set of options.
    _
    Americans don’t want Obama to be bipartisan — they want him to come up with the best solutions to our problems without regard to party. They don’t want Obama to compromise with the GOP for the sake of compromise — they soundly rejected the Republican Party and its ideas and philosophies in November. All they don’t want to see is an approach to policy whose emphasis is on improving the fortunes of the Democratic Party (“partisanship”)

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I fear they are going to try to undertake the biggest administrative challenge in American history while refusing to hire the people who can help the most: agency veterans who are registered lobbyists.
    .
    In case Mr Brooks hasn’t noticed the very people with the most experience in these matters are precisely the same people who have fu$&ed it up almost beyond repair. The self-serving nature of his call for more of the same is way to evident for anyone to take it seriously.

  • sevenoaks07

    I guess it is easier to make an argument in the bi-part frame than to engage in outside the box thinking. My neighbour three doors down the street wants President Obama to do something now to get his lab re-financed so that his company can work on their new contract. He is a die-hard Republican and his cussing Cantor is something worth hearing.

  • g_crush

    .
    JK: But, in a time of crisis, a half-baked effort is better than no effort at all.
    .
    Pop Quiz: Who said the following, and what was the context in which it was said?

    “It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.”

    Guesses?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I’m reading Michael Lux’s new book, The Progressive Revolution. (He’s coming to Virtually Speaking on Thursday. He identifies 11 dramatic moments in US history that generated long last change:
    .
    1. The enactment of the US COnstitution
    .
    2. The Bill of Rights
    .
    3. The set of policies put in place by Lincoln and the Radical Republicans in 1860s
    .
    4. The 13th, 14th and 15th amendments, that extended the Constitution and Bill of Rights to individual citizens.
    .
    5. The 1877 compromises in the Hayes/Tilden election that ended reconstruction and set the foundation for Jim Crow laws.
    .
    6. Supreme court decision in the late 1800s, creating the Gilded age and suppression of blacks, capped by Plessy v Ferguson
    .
    7. The Progressive Era reforms of the early 1900s, including trust busting, conservation policy, women’s suffrage
    .
    8. The New Deal
    .
    9. Civil rights legislation in the 1960s
    .
    10. Medicare and Medicaid
    .
    11. Environmental legislation of the 70s
    .
    The contrast here between conservative and progressive couldn’t be starker. Lux points out that the arguments of the 18th century, with Hamilton and the other Federalists echoing Burke while deriding Jefferson as being in bed with the dirty hippies sounds just like what we hear today.
    .
    Progressives favor extended the right vote as broadly as possible, extending rights to individuals, and rule by popular vote.
    .
    Conservatives favor restricting the right to vote to elites, want to reserve rights to those same elites and rule by a select few.
    .
    Progressives base their philosophy on hope, on, as Brooks says,an optimistic belief that extending power and support to everybody will lead to a better, more just society.
    .
    Conservatives base their philosophy on fear, Fear of the rabble, fear of the black, fear of change. The reason they turn to Burke’s claim that tradition matters most of all, and change should be held back as much as possible is fear.
    .
    If you look at that list, and which position each side supported,it is hard to make the case for conservatism.
    .
    BTW, Lux is well aware that while Roosevelt was a trust buster and supporter of consumer product safety, he was also a racist. Or that Andrew Jackson what we regard now as some awful things. But they were on the side of progress in the items listed above. And, on the whole, it seems progress is better than adherence to tradition.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    FDR.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd
  • bitterpill8

    Let us see a budget that truthfully reflects our financial position. We can then do what needs to be done to get out of this mess. We will make mistakes; admit them, make changes and keep going. This climb is going to be long, hard and painful. We need a large dose of reality and a smidgen of hope. Can we have a moratorium on op-ed pieces? Maybe these folks need a dose of unemployment.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Given Obama’s insistence on accountability and fiscal discipline, there seems a real opportunity for cooperation here. All the Republicans have to do is shed their archaic obsessive-compulsive attempts to deny the legitimacy of a smart and popular President and come to the understanding that, in a time of crisis, opposition is not a political game, but a solemn responsibility.

    .
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    .
    At what point are the Villagers going to wake up to the reality that the Republicans want absolutely no part in bipartisanship or cooperation or anything of the sort. They only give a sh*t about one thing, winning elections. Governing is not even in their vocabulary right now. All they want to do is phuck up the country just enough for people to decide that the Democrats are doing it wrong. The polls don’t matter and even elections don’t matter to these people. After getting thoroughly rejected in the last two cycles their first instinct is to get even more “conservative”. The question really is WHEN will the Villagers decide to cover the story as it stands and that is that the Republicans are rallying around obstructing the President as their election strategy, helping the country be damn ed. Ill answer my own rhetorical question, never.

  • g_crush

    .
    Yup. Context being the slew of programs and alphabet soup of government agencies FDR created in the effort to end the Great Depression.
    .

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    And, on the whole, it seems progress is better than adherence to tradition.
    -
    Well, sure, if you orient the entire discussion around progressivism’s greatest triumphs!
    -
    Conservatism will always be essential to democratic policymaking. It stresses the problem of unintended consequences– you know, like a lengthy insurgency in Iraq, or a killing your party’s popularity by kowtowing to a minority of firebreathing ignoramuses.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Glad to see you’re reading Sam Tanenhaus. I think he’s been the most interesting read lately. The notion of a conservative, alternative “New Class” gelled quite a few things for me. It makes the curious things you find in David Brock and Ron Suskind make a lot more sense. There is no monolithic “reality based community,” there are only communities trying to live in reality–which is everybody not living in fantasy (for instance, Fox News viewers and Bill Kristol). The fantasy people want someone like Bush, or someone like Palin. (Or even someone like Joe the Plumber, who is the ultimate movement conservative New Class man: http://crooksandliars.com/node/25248 )

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    One thing that’s interested me is the question of how much of the modern movement conservative style is due to the influence of the ex-Marxists. Here’s Tanenhaus from a few weeks back:

    [Former Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson:] “The issues of the moment — income stagnation, climate disruption, massive demographic shifts and health care access — seem strange, unexplored land for many in the movement.”
    .
    In fact these “issues of the moment” have been with us for years now, decades in some instances, but until recently they were either ignored by conservatives or dismissed as the hobby-horses of alarmist liberals or entrenched “special interests.”
    .
    The key word in Mr. Gerson’s analysis is “movement,” a term more applicable to moral or spiritual crusades than to the practical matters of governance, particularly governance in a two-party system, where success almost invariably requires compromise, consensus and a mind open to all manner of workable solutions.
    .
    These have not been, historically, the strength of “movement conservatives,” who prefer arguments built on first principles often expressed in supercharged rhetoric.

    This supercharged war on “elites” has an almost a mechanistic quality. It doesn’t matter what the “elites” are telling you, or the merit of their arguments, they’re automatically wrong. It’s almost like anything that stands in the way of the dictatorship of the country-and-western proletariat is wrong on its face. So the possibility of spending conservative think tank dollars on actually *researching* climate change is automatically dismissed, and George Will can just pump out another anti-climate change column with stale talking points from the early 90′s.

  • kbanginmotown

    “All the Republicans have to do…”
    .
    Any sentence that begins with these words brings to mind other sentences involving camels and eyes-of-needles…

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    And when I say “stale talking points from the early 90′s,” I mean it literally:

    http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/02/23/george-will-zombie/

  • mccainfluffer

    Joe, you talk about the polls “rebuking” the Republican obstructionism.

    How many polls will it take before villagers understand this? Or will they have to wait for their Republican “sources” to acknowledge this reality?

  • kbanginmotown

    @sgw: My guess is that the MSM will cover the GOP’s obstructionism just like they covered the hate-speech of the ’08 elections.
    .
    Recall that the MSM didn’t give a sh!t about calling out McCain, Palin or the surrogates for their speechifying until there was irrefutable proof (posters, video, death threats) that the masses were getting out of control.
    .
    The MSM will ignore the GOP’s behavior until there is a body on a sidewalk – a major business, industry or state that goes kaputt because a GOP governor refused stimulus funds. Until then, it will be treated as “speculation” that the obstructionists are doing real harm to this country.
    .
    or, maybe when enough newspapers fail…

  • stuartzechman

    This seems an unfettered public rebuke of the anachronistic Republican strategy.
    .
    Joe Klein:
    .
    Isn’t it really an unfettered public rebuke of Centrist Democrats, as well?

  • stuartzechman

    Conservatism will always be essential to democratic policymaking. It stresses the problem of unintended consequences– you know, like a lengthy insurgency in Iraq, or a killing your party’s popularity by kowtowing to a minority of firebreathing ignoramuses.
    .
    Excellent point, Elvis. I’m duly impressed by your intellectual honesty. Well done.

  • ottoman88

    And I predict–fearlessly, of course–that the President will be able to pick off more Republican votes as he moves into specific policy reform areas.
    .
    So you think he’s going to get more than three? That’s an easy “over” bet to make, even with the Party of No vowing to take its ball and go home.

  • ottoman88

    The American people don’t want “bi-partisanship” — they aren’t looking for solutions that are acceptable to both political parties, they want programs and ideas that will work. That is non-partisanship, not bipartisanship.
    .
    Nothing really to add here but an “amen.”

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Chuck Shumer is pulling Jindal’s and Sanford’s hole card!
    .
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/02/schumer_to_gop_govs_take_it_or_leave_it.php
    .
    Talk about phucking brilliant. It takes away their chance at grandstanding the stimulus bill. I can’t wait to see what they say to this!
    .

    For instance, at least two governors have proposed rejecting a program to expand unemployment insurance for laid-off workers. Economists consistently rank unemployment insurance among the most efficient and cost-effective fiscal stimulus measures; by one frequently cited estimate, it provides an economic return of as high as $1.73 for every dollar invested. Thus, by denying this provision for their residents, these governors are not just depriving some of the neediest Americans of relief in a dire economy; they are undermining the overall stimulative impact of the package.
    .
    No one would dispute that these governors should be given the choice as to whether to accept the funds or not. But it should not be multiple choice. The composition of the package was rightly dictated by economic considerations; we should not let the implementation of the package be dictated by political considerations.

  • formerlyjames

    I suppose, maybe, that there was a time when the terms conservative and liberal or progressive held precise meanings. If that was ever true, it sure isn’t now. It would seem that the stimulus effort would be fairly straight forward economic mechanics. Unfortunately, the mechanics are colored by ideological positions derived from social and religiious prejudices. That is destructive and self defeating.

  • ottoman88

    I’m glad Schumer is bringing this up — not just for political points, but for economic ones.
    .
    Mika Brzyzinski was prattling the other day about how the stimulus package had non-stimulative things like food stamps in there. Uh, Mika? Economists routinely cite this as THE most stimulative form of government spending.
    .
    What an airhead. She’s adopted, right?

  • Art Pepper

    This post is so much better than Scherer’s dead-tree article on same. I’ll just beg to differ with the following:
    .
    There are also Republican environmentalists–John McCain comes to mind–who may favor Obama’s energy program
    .
    It’s a nice thought. I wouldn’t wager any money on it.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    The David Brooks column makes a minor amount of sense. Too bad there are no longer any Burkeans in the Republican Party.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    In light of the polling today in the New York Times check out the headline for this article in today’s Politico
    .

    Obama shouldn’t do it his way

    .
    So much fail…

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Anyone who doesn’t realize that Brook’s column is reprehensible claptrap need to reread the closing:

    If they mostly fail, then liberalism will suffer a grievous blow, and conservatives will be called upon to restore order and sanity.
    .
    It’ll be interesting to see who’s right. But I can’t even root for my own vindication. The costs are too high. I have to go to the keyboard each morning hoping Barack Obama is going to prove me wrong.
    .
    Not only do today’s Conservatives lack any semblance of order and sanity, but Brooks himself is only providing lip service to the notion that he isn’t rooting for failure.
    .
    Yes, Obama’s plan is abitious and uncertain, but the Republican approach has no uncertainty in it whatsoever. It is a tested and proven failure.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Today’s conservatives are conservative in name only. As Tanenhaus points out, there’s more Burke in Obama than the GOP. Conservatives can’t “restore order and sanity” because their radicals were the source of the problem in the first place.
    .
    Interesting point from George Lakoff today (Lakoff is sometimes intellectual hype, but here he makes sense):

    Conservatives tend to think in terms of direct causation. The overwhelming moral value of individual, not social, responsibility requires that causation be local and direct. For each individual to be entirely responsible for the consequences of his or her actions, those actions must be the direct causes of those consequences. If systemic causation is real, then the most fundamental of conservative moral–and economic–values is fallacious.
    .
    Global ecology and global economics are prime examples of systemic causation. Global warming is fundamentally a system phenomenon. That is why the very idea threatens conservative thinking. And the global economic collapse is also systemic in nature. That is at the heart of the death of the conservative principle of the laissez-faire free market, where individual short-term self-interest was supposed to be natural, moral, and the best for everybody. The reality of systemic causation has left conservatism without any real ideas to address global warming and the global economic crisis…
    .
    The systemic nature of ecological and economic causation and risk have resulted in the twin disasters of global warming and global economic breakdown. Both must be dealt with on a systematic, global, long-term basis. Regulating risk is global and long-term, and so what are required are world-wide institutions that carry out that regulation in systematic way and that monitor causation and risk systemically, not just locally.
    .
    President Obama understands this, though much of the country does not. Part of his challenge will be to formulate policies that carry out these ideas and to communicate these ideas as well as possible to the public.

    A big portion of the problems we face now were brought on by ideologues, ignoring problems while propagandizing and hyping glibitarianism. Obama is trying to make a Burkean correction. It would help if he had a loyal opposition that wasn’t a bunch of highly paid vultures, waiting to blow any failure out of proportion.

  • g_crush

    .
    sgwhiteinfla: Talk about phucking brilliant.
    .
    Only in the sense that it gets funds out to the people in the states that are governed by those sharing Jindal and Sanford’s viewpoint.
    .
    It takes away their chance at grandstanding the stimulus bill.
    .
    Politicians, in general, are good at coming up with ways to grandstand…
    .
    I can’t wait to see what they say to this!
    .
    …probably something like: “Although I have serious disagreements with this spending package, the Democrat-led Congress is leaving me with no other choice than to accept this deeply flawed spending package.”

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    http://mediamatters.org/items/200902240001
    .
    Liz Sidoti joins John Heilprin on the list of AP reporters who let their own agenda’s interfere with their ability to hear.
    .
    Shall we redub the AP as “Misquotes ‘R’ Us”?
    .
    Speaking of which, did we ever get clarification from Mr. Heilprin?

    http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/01/27/rookie-mistake/

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    State of the Union? Police state….your drug war ladies and gentlemen:
    .


    “On Nov. 21, 2006, Smith falsified an affidavit to obtain a no-knock search warrant allowing narcotics officers to batter down Johnston’s door. Apparently thinking she was being invaded, Johnston fired a shot from an old rusty revolver through the door. Officers responded with 39 rounds. Five or six struck and killed her…Tesler said when he joined the narcotics unit, he was told to “sit, watch and learn” from superiors who cut corners to meet performance quotas for arrests and warrants…Tesler said when he saw Smith about to plant baggies of marijuana inside Johnston’s home to make it look like a drug house, he shook his head in disapproval. Tesler said he falsified the police report and later lied about the raid because Smith told him to follow the cover-up script.”

    http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2009/02/23/johnston_sentencing.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
    .
    Don’t kid yourself, this stuff isn’t rare, it’s downright common police behavior.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…in a time of crisis, a half-baked effort is better than no effort at all…”

    Sounds like a plan.

    Run with that in 2010.

    BTW: Polls (also) show that the public does NOT trust D.C., with much of anything.

    Where, in fact, IS the meatheaded beef in these myriad over-spending proposals?

    In the history of appeasement to save the unions?

    But by all means, let Pakistan burn, while the UAW builds more crappy cars at $72 an hour, nurses kill pateints with paperwork, city schools churn out more Al Sharptons and Ray Nagins, and Mexico overthrows Texas and Arizona (since they’ve basically taken over the bleeding heart budget previously known as the great state of California).

    More sometimes is more.

    This ISn’t one of those times.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    g_crush
    .
    As long as they take the money, which they will, they still look like hypocrites to their base. And THAT’S what I love about it.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Thanks for your comment, Stuart.
    -
    As someone who initially supported the Iraq invasion, I have become more conservative– skeptical of efforts to do something new under the sun. Conservatism always risks collapsing into nationalism, or worship of the status quo, but it’s really a catastrophe for this country that conservatism has been murdered by decadent, brain-dead nationalists who can think only in slogans and talking points.
    -
    You know, Eisenhower was furious at the Democrats for pushing for tax cuts in a time of deficit. Nixon signed the bill launching the EPA into law. Not to lionize everything those guys did, but there was a time when conservatism in the US had something to do with reality. No more.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Sorry, I didn’t give Nixon enough credit on the creation of the EPA– he did it by executive order.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…Conservatives base their philosophy on fear, Fear of the rabble, fear of the black, fear of change…”

    Oh good grape.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    hula
    .
    Where is the link to your polling data?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Here, again, even Joe Klein is treating the Repugs as if everything is theirs to lose, and the Dems have everything to prove. Why? Fie on the Repugs, I say. Call them out for the un-America, traitorous scallywags that they are. Why hold them out as the archetype, the ideal for which Democrats should strive, when they’re nothing but America-hating scum? They should be ridiculed and run out of town on a rail.

  • formerlyjames

    hula, be very afraid. Of yourself.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    hula: let me tighten that up for you: hate, fear, greed. That’s all the Repugs got.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Because, as we all can plainly see, Pelosi and Reid and Murtha and Schumer and Frank have done so much for the nation since they’ve been back in the majority.

    Note: The modern GOP power base, numerically if not intellectually, was an aberration — where pandering to pinheads by the loon left has always been more Congressionally winning they say speaking the truth about union slackers, government waste and abuse, thought cops on campus, abortion as a birthright, free federal funding of Mexico, paper work make work IRS scum, and the rest of the tired if trenchant Do As I Say, Not As I Do nut jobs dragging Uncle Sam around by the balls, for their own purposes which rarely if ever work for the majority that wants as little to do with the tax subsidy state as possible – particularly now.

    Obama’s throwing CRAP at the walls, and hoping something sticks?

    That’s not a plan.

    That’s the NY Post.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…Fie on the Repugs, I say. Call them out for the un-America, traitorous scallywags that they are…”

    Because we know how chock full of libs our DOD ranks IS.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “Obama’s throwing CRAP at the walls, and hoping something sticks?

    That’s not a plan.

    That’s the NY Post.”
    __________________
    I’m sorry, but that IS a beautiful mental picture.

    Take THAT, Ann Coulter!

  • g_crush

    .
    sgwhiteinfla: …they still look like hypocrites to their base.
    .
    Disagree. Schumer just gave them cover, which will allow them to spin it to their base however they want.

  • dleec123

    The media in America is becoming the 5th seat in government, and at times the most powerful branch. They hold sway over at least two other branchs, legislative and executive. And at this point in time, they pretty much control the strongest and least organized other pseudo-branch (public opinion).
    After they overthrew the ruling party (Republican) in just 8 years of concentrating the public focus on everything bad the Repubs did, and by stabbing their favorite Repub. in the back (McCain), I wondered if that much power could be controlled, or if they would now devour another president. I predicted that their absolute power would not be able to be harnessed and they would feed on their offspring (President Obama). But, at least for now, they continue to focus on the total destruction of the opposition. It was not enough to just win, now they want to continue to focus their blind followers on the Republicans to totally eliminate them and never allow another common sense uprising like happened a few years ago. I hope they stop themselves before they wipe out such a hopeful, youthful president and his young followers.
    Perhaps the Republicans were not just trying to be negative for negative’s sake, or only interested in the next election. Maybe, just maybe, they see that the world economy has been based for years on American’s willingness to spend their future income (on interest and being upside-down on their home and car and store cards) and this stimulus package is DC’s way of forcing us against our will to continue to spend our future income (this time in the form of taxes and interest on the national debt).

    Just remember, because Conservatives are silent at this time, and nursing the beating handed out by the media and Bush, it does not mean we will just roll over and quit fighting. The basics are the same and we will just wait for the public to see how they are being led down a rose-covered path to financial socialism and they will wake up and ask for help. I hope it is not too late and the media hasn’t destroyed all of them by the time they are called out for.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    To be fair to the NY Post, their scatter-brained lack of an agenda IS at Time refreshing — since Time is anything but objective.

    I’ll take a tacky cartoon over a traitorous editorial clown, any day, week, month, year, decade, century.

  • rimmyrimrim

    1) Brooks’ point, I believe, was similar to that of Jeffrey Sachs’ today: that in an economic crisis like this, it is worse to take wrong, over-corrective action. It is akin to jerking the wheel back when skidding on ice. The best thing to do is make small changes.

    I am not concerned, however, that the pragmatic Obama administration would take drastic action. In fact, the $800B stimulus is a middle-of-the-road type of number. Just the kind of non-over-correction that is needed.

    2) Joe, your sound, grounded analysis and attention to detail is needed. Thank you.

  • formerlyjames

    dleec, about your assertions on Republican views of consumer spending, on the excess deficits in government budgets, on the Bush presidency, on conservatives being silent now, on the media bias. Have you been asleep for 8 years and saw these things in your long dream? It sure ain’t reality.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    I wish Obama well with his new math tonight.

  • http://trueblarg.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/254/ Blarg!

    [...] 24, 2009 in Uncategorized Joe Klein writes of the public rebuke to the republicans turning the stimulus bill into another political game, and is technically correct: broadly speaking, [...]

  • shepherdwong

    “…to be a constant damper on undue liberaloptimism about the perfectability of the human condition…”
    .
    First off, I actually believe in the usefulness of an honest conservative opposition to liberal government. But we are so far from either honest conservatism or liberal government, it’s pathetically naïve (or deluded) to make that your vision for the near future.
    .
    Your little jab at “liberaloptimism” also made me laugh and not just because it doesn’t in any way resemble any of the liberals with whom I’m familiar – quite the opposite, really.
    .
    It also reminded me of this guy and the present near final demise of the domestic auto industry. In a nutshell, in post WWII, the Japanese and US auto industries took fundamentally different approaches to quality control. US manufacturers decided that they had reached an “acceptable rate” of product defect (if I recall, somewhere between 3-6%) for their cars. Meanwhile, the Japanese manufacturers decided to set a target defect rate of zero defects on theirs (they knew that would never be achieved but had to be the ambition of a manufacturer to build the most competitive product). 60 years later, the Japanese makers are still eating our lunch on product quality and reliability, even using US labor in US plants. I hope you get the analogy.
    .
    And it is “conservatives” who have a distorted view of human psychology and sociology, tending to fully recognize the qualities of the id and not much else, unless provided by a higher power. Liberals are better able to see the full nature of the human equation. You are still suffering from an anti-liberal mythology and bias.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    http://www.legistorm.com/earmarks/features/ranking_member/page/1/sort/amount/type/desc.html

    Today’s Washington Weather: Pork raining down like there was no Tom Snyder.

  • http://www.epluribusunumblog.com/2009/02/still-punked/ Still Punked | E Pluribus Unum

    [...] a strong case against the current dead-end Republican obstructionism, while making the case for “Burkean conservatism–and against the innate optimism of liberals” and hopes for some sort of responsible Republicanism, with which we are recently unfamiliar: [...]

  • formerlyjames

    hula, that link looks to be a great site to bookmark, which I did. I will withold final judgement until I check it out further, knowing your right wing inclinations, but thanks anyway.

  • formerlyjames

    hula, I am beside myself over this link you provided. Thanks, very much, again.

  • http://www.dannydoom.com/2009/02/24/bi-curiously-partisan/ Danny Doom’s Booze Cabinet » Blog Archive » Bi-Curiously Partisan

    [...] attempt to play politics as usual at a time of national crisis receives low marks,” says Joe Klein of Time, but you wouldn’t know that from watching these dolts. “Indeed, a staggering 79% [...]

  • southrnyanki

    Wow the childish bullying of the republicans never suprises me. The way they will lie and stand around huffing and puffing in the face of the truth is comical. All the talk about him starteing to loose in the poles is the same thing they did durring the election.Its all lies and out of there play book whiche is to look strait into a camera and tell us that if Obama says the sky is blue.Its a lie and that its a just lighter shade of purple. They have shown they dont care about anything except makeing sure he fails and if poeple suffer so be it.I use to listen to there opinions just to be able to make sure that my vote was not misplaced now when I hear anyone of them I hit mute becouse they have nothing new to offer. It all just comes out as bla bla bla.

  • shepherdwong

    Typo or not, Joe, I don’t see how you reconcile this: “[i]‘m far more comfortable with optimism than with pessimism,” with the clearly stated notion that conservatives should be: “…a constant damper on undue liberal[ ]optimism about the perfectability of the human condition.”
    .
    If you’re “more comfortable” with liberal optimism then why is it “undue” and in need of constant damping. Sanding the edges of policy proposals is one thing but 1) it’s not what “conservatives” want to do (as you well know, they want to undermine or destroy liberal policy) and 2) the philosophical statement against “liberal optimism about the perfectability of the human condition,” is not just a pragmatic case for honest conservative opposition.

blog comments powered by Disqus