In the Arena

Don’t Trust, But Try to Reconcile

In the history of the Obama Administration, Judd Gregg’s decision to pull out of the Commerce job will seem a pinprick. After all, how important is Commerce? Gregg himself voted to shutter the place–which was probably an early sign that he wasn’t the right guy for the job. But some pinpricks are also wake-up calls, and there are at least two lessons to be learned from this embarrassmeent.

The first, obviously, is that vetting at the cabinet level has to be done with greater care than Obama’s folks have been doing it. Then again, we already knew that, post Richardson, Daschle et al–which makes the rush to name Gregg, not knowing his position on the census and other issues, all the more foolish. 

The second, and more important, lesson has to do with bipartisanship. Obama should now understand that the Republicans are not reliable partners–at least, not for the moment. Most are stuck in the contentious past, rutted in Reaganism, intent on taking a Hooverist course on the economy (although there remains cause for optimism on foreign policy). The President’s default position, after the stimulus fight and the Gregg fiasco, should be to appoint Democrats to significant domestic policy positions–the notion of making a public show of bipartisanship, by reaching across the aisle to someone like Senator Gregg, gives the opposition too much credibility and leverage. Which doesn’t mean that Obama shouldn’t remain as conciliatory, and open to constructive Republican ideas, as he has been. There are potential long-term benefits from such openness (and short-term benefit as well, since the public clearly believes that Obama has been more reasonable than the Republicans).

Actually, there’s a strong resemblance between Obama’s domestic dilemmas and the dreadful situation he faces in the Middle East. (Although, admittedly, this view may be influenced by the fact that I’m writing this from Amman, Jordan). In both cases, there is little chance of immediate success–and there is only a slim, long-term hope of progress…but it’s important to keep the door open to that possibility. For example, if the stimulus and bank bailout succeed in reviving the economy, Republicans may be less adamant in their opposition to other Obama initiatives. If corporate America decides that a new, national health insurance plan is a necessity, you may see some Republicans open to change (remember, there are roughly as many Republican co-sponsors as Democrats to Senator Ron Wyden’s universal health proposal, which would remove the corporate health care burden).

In the Middle East, there is zero chance of a deal right now, given the rightward tilt of Israeli politics and the fury over Gaza on the Palestinian side. But there is a need for a patient but intensive U.S. presence–in the form of special envoy, George Mitchell–if for no other reason than to try to keep things from getting worse and to keep a channel of communication open among all parties (which, I believe, is good reason for the U.S. to begin informal, unofficial conversations with Hamas). Perhaps, sometime in the next few years, a few bridges can be built–in the meantime, the U.S. should stand as a guarantor of humane treatment for those innocent Palestinians who have been caught in the crossfire, and a strong voice in opposition to the extremists on both sides.

This should come naturally to Obama; his gut instinct is toward reconciliation. In time, there will be areas of common interest with Republicans on domestic issues. In time, a consistent, conciliatory U.S. presence may prove a buffer against further damage in the Middle East. But, after the initial votes on the stimulus bill and Judd Gregg’s about-face (plus the recent Israeli elections, for that matter, and the continuing, violent intransigence of Hamas), Obama should have no illusions about the good faith of his opponents, at home or abroad.

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  • lupercal5

    about to wonder if i was the only insomniac out there until of course you hinted at a different time zone…lol
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    i think you’ve made fairly accurate and genuine arguments here. i was just starting to get fed up with the hollow chatter everywhere with no perspective on the moment. tx
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    if somebody uses this post as a proxy to rant about how obama shouldn’t be bipartisan, i swear on your life, im gonna blast you out

  • hellslittlestangel

    “…Republicans are not reliable partners…”
    That would look good on the GOP’s tombstone.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    The distinction between partnership and conciliatory acts is a nice one.
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    But I do think the Daschle, Richardson, and Gregg cases are different. Daschle was just poor judgment and wishful thinking. Although very popular in the Village, there was too much wrongness there. Richardson apparently lied. It’s arguable they should have investigated more deeply to expose the lie, but this will happen when people lie. And in both cases, the ethical standards were applied in advance of the nominee being presented to Congress. If Bush’s nominees had been subjected to similar scrutiny, it would have had a very different composition.
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    Gregg is entirely different.I don’t see how you can fault Obama for Gregg saying he was onboard with the administration’s policies, and then discovered that he couldn’t take the heat of being on board. He underestimated his ability to operate in the currently poisonous environment, where Republicans are fighting desperately to prevent Obama from succeeding at reversing the damage they have wreaked on the country. It’s clear, by the way, that this is case–that the environment is even more poisonous than it was during the Clinton years, where Cohen could serve as defense secretary without raising any hackles.
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    What’s really going on is a hyperbolic version of Kristol’s “stop universal health care at all costs” letter. The Republican party’s ability to survive outside of a shrinking regional presence will be severely reduced if Obama successfully restores an operating economy, where the peanut butter is safe to eat, and health care is widely available. Hence republican obstruction, putting party far above nation, at the time of the greatest post-war crisis.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Obama should now understand that the Republicans are not reliable partners”
    I think you are the most prominent journalist to write those words. Glad to see it.
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    “For example, if the stimulus and bank bailout succeed in reviving the economy, Republicans may be less adamant in their opposition to other Obama initiatives.”
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    My hunch, based on the last 16 years, is that if BHO is successful the result will be the exact opposite. I appreciate that you used the word “may”. Hope is good.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The problem Obama faces has little to do with Obama and everything to do with the schitzophrenic nature of the current Republican party. Many of the arguments they have and points they make have elements of truth to them but they don’t actually MEAN a single word of any of it. If, down the road Obama sees defecit spending as a problem to be solved or decides that certain corporate taxes can be detrimental to job growth, the outreach to the Republicans would seem to make sense.
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    But what he should realize is that the Republicans may say that but they don’t beleive it. What they beleive is that their base voters who don’t share the incomes or concerns of their actual business constitients, nevertheless have visions in their heads of dark-skinned city-dwelling unemployed scary people who they imagine are doing well for themselves collecting food-stamps, and they know that if they employ the same rhetoric that Reagan successfully used to push back against Johnson era programs that these folks will continue to support and vote for them.
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    In that the sense the similarities to the Middle East also hold. The people who are currently in power on both sides of the conflict, manage to retain their position by ginning up fear and loathing against people who aren’t sufficiently close that the evil caricatures can’t be checked against the human reality.
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    Any time you hear phrases like “They don’t think like us”, “They can’t be negotiated with because they aren’t rational”, “They want nothing but our destruction” and “They don’t care about anything else”, then you know that the process of cartoon drawing is in full swing.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Not to nitpick but what in the hell does Judd Gregg being an ass hole have to do with vetting? Are they supposed to start giving people lie detectors as part of the vetting process to see if they are being honest when they say they want to serve in the cabinet? That was a pretty ridiculous line in an otherwise decent post. Hopefully but not likely you will actually elaborate on how this situation where a guy pulled a total 180 ON PURPOSE and timed his press release to happen almost exactly when President Obama was about to speak about the stimulus plan in Illinois instead of waiting until today to refuse quietly, has anything to do with the vetting process.
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    Of course Villagers never have to explain their Villager memes. I am sure if I turned to the NYTimes and the WaPo right now there would be several articles screaming “VETTING PROCESS” as well.

  • bitterpill8

    Pres Obama tried, the oppo cried. We can’t let “bipart” become a idee fixe. The Pres should fill all remaining posts with Democrats. Those of us who have been asked to do some swallowing should have our views taken into account. This bi-part stuff began too early. The Pres should get into governing mode, have people in place and then look for ways to bring the Republicans in. But let’s be clear: he is dealing with a**holes.

    A tidbit: the banking industry up north is ranked #1 in oversight, management etc. Our wankers ranked #40 and the Brits came in at #44.

  • wvng

    What jay and PNNTO, and PaulD and sgw said. And, of course what digby said: The Light Dawns
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    It is sad that the Country First party puts political power above country every single time. Sad, but true. Until the repuglican caucus is completely remade, purged of the wingnut true-believers who purged all the sentient members, there is no working with them.
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    Simple as that.

  • Paul-no not that one

    SG-I just assumed JK threw that vetting part in for the all important “fair and balance” cover. ignored.

  • kathy

    The Republicans seem drunk on their own rhetoric, and think they have tremendous power because they were necessary to broker the recovery package. If they continue to say no to everything, they will have less and less power, as Obama will be able to be more patient as time goes on and it becomes clearer the Republicans are simply being obstructionist.
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    If Obama’s attempts to turn the economy are succeeding by 2010 the Democrats will have a very good argument to give Obama a filibuster-proof majority. Of course, that’s predicated on a very good Obama success rate. Hope it happens.
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    It seems bizarre that Gregg asked to be considered, and then backed out. Glad he did though, as a disgruntled cabinet secretary would have been a pain. At least Gregg seems to understand he was off base, and has said he will not run for reelection in 2010. Can’t think there are very many NH politicians very happy with him today.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    It takes a Village to raise a meme.
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    http://mediamatters.org/items/200902120024

  • Paul-no not that one

    Great Digby link wvng, thanks. I’ll give the republicans this, they sure aren’t coy about their motivations.

  • Paul-no not that one

    From the mediamatters link-
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    “SCHIEFFER: I tell you, Katie, this is either the weirdest thing that ever happened in Washington, or we have found one honest man. I mean, he says, “Look, I was offered the job, I said yes, but then when I thought about it, I decided, ‘Well, maybe it’s not the right fit.’
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    Yep in Beltwayese being untruthful to the president makes for “one honest man”

  • wvng

    Slightly off topic, but not really. The blurb for David Brooks column in the Times today says: The Worst-Case Scenario. The policy makers may know how to pull economic levers, but what happens when they don’t know how to use those levers to affect social psychology?
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    The problem being, of course, is that David’s party is doing its very best to make it impossible for the Obama administration to “affect social psychology” by lying in every conceivable way in every conceivable venue as loudly as they can. The cover of Newsweek is doing its part with “We’re All Socialists Now.” As digby highlighted:
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    “According to Vitter, the GOP is basically betting the farm that the stimulus package is going to fail, and the party wants Democrats to go down with it. “Our next goal is to make President Obama and liberal Democrats in Congress own it completely,” he said. Instead of coming up with serious measures to save the economy, the party intends to devote its time to an “we told you so” agenda that will include GOP-only hearings on the bill’s impact in the coming months to highlight the bill’s purportedly wasteful elements and shortcomings.”
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    Really, how do you affect social psychology when half the government is working against you?

  • Matt

    Gregg has embarrassed himself and, most importantly, the President in what amounted to a cheesy effort to grab the Census and gerrymander the GOP back into the majority.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • kbanginmotown

    Joe: Obama is a pragmatist as much as an optimist. He’s been willing to shake the GOP’s hand, but I’ll bet he makes sure to count his fingers afterwards!
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    I’d characterize the “failures” in working with the Republicans (1st House vote, Stimulus message, Gregg withdrawal) as examples of “giving them all the rope they need”. Obama is being diligently bi-partisan (to prevent future charges to the contrary) and is inoculating his administration from future claims the GOP may have as being “partners in success”.
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    IMHO, it’s clear: the GOP has no interest in Obama’s (and the country’s) success. If, like FDR, Obama is successful, it could usher in another 40-year Democratic era. Permanent minority status.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I may be rethinking the vetting part.
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    “I couldn’t be Judd Gregg and serve in the Cabinet.” Gregg said
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    Talking like Herschel Walker is a red flag.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    PNNTO
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    Actually I think talking in third person is something that Rickey Henderson worked to perfection.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    The vetting process is about getting it right, not stenography of the candidates statements. It takes Olympian mental gymnastics to look at the Gregg situation and not believe there is room for improvement.
     
    Most frustrating to me is that the Gregg nomination was a GESTURE. That’s 90% of what it was. Everyone with eyes could see that. To return serve on it like this is just punk.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    pourme
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    So how could they have vetted Gregg better if he assured them effusively that he was on board with the President? Should they have just said “Well you’re a Republican so we don’t believe you”?

  • 2cute4prison

    I think by Obama going out of his way to include the Rethugs as they go out of their way to make him fail, it makes them look childish and petty. If he succeeds despite them and THE MEDIA DOES IT’S JOB, he’ll come out on top again and leave us saying “he knew what he was doing after all.” I don’t think they can handle an onslaught of “goodness”, it’s not their turf and Obama’s got them on shaky ground right now.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    @sgwhite – I don’t know the details, I wasn’t in the room. I believe they could have done better, and I bet they agree too. One way is not to have picked him.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Most are stuck in the contentious past, rutted in Reaganism, intent on taking a Hooverist course on the economy
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    This is a fine post all in all, but you are still giving the GOP too much credit. As digby and wvng point out, obstruction and causing/cheering for failure is their avowed strategy (well, tactic, but it’s as close as we’re going to get).
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    Hoover wanted to balance the budget; Jim Dement and RedState want to cease taxation.
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    Say what you will about the tenets of Hooverism, dude, at least it’s an ethos.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    pourme
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    Hindsight is always 20/20 but I just don’t subscribe to the “must have” theories. As in “they must have been able to do better”. To me you have to quantify that. There is such a thing as an innocent mistake in my world. People get taken every single day and by all accounts this guy snowed them. But if his financials were in order and he had an otherwise worthy transcript and he was saying all of the right things I just don’t see how vetting him more or better would have produced a different outcome. Now true enough Obama could have just chosen a Democrat, I will grant you that. But uhmmm wasn’t his first choice a Democrat? And how did that turn out?

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    I think ideological segregation is the culprit behind a lot of this. The Jims DeMint and Inhofe can say and do a lot of crazy sh** and all they will get is a huzzah and larger victory margin.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    @sgwhite – To each his own, if you look at the Gregg vetting process and don’t see error, we’ll have to disagree.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    pourme
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    I am simply asking you what error it is that you see. For you to quantify it if you can. Thats all.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Senator Gregg reached out to the President and offered his name for Secretary of Commerce.”
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    Presuming that Gibbs isn’t lying I think this is something worth considering. Gregg was aware of the administrations positions on the census and the stimulus bill.
    He wasn’t “talked into” taking the position, he came asking for it.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    Error: not surfacing his ambivalence.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    How about: “Will you vote yes on the stimulus as Senator?” “Um, no ..” SHI**Y vetting.

  • 2cute4prison

    Was Gregg supposed to be waterboarded to make clear his intentions? I may be missing it here, but it looks like he tried to reach across the aisle to a qualified and “willing” candidate. The fact that the “willing” part was a lie doesn’t, I think, make Obama out to be a fool. Fool me once shame on you…no me…shame on me, fool me twice…well you can’t get fooled again is my point. Also.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    If Gregg wasn’t asked about voting for the stimulus, process error. If asked and he gave an answer other than a strong yes, error to continue with this candidacy. If he lied about his vote, that’s a different story but there is no evidence of that and I am assuming Gibbs wouldn’t leave that bullet in the chamber.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    pourme
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    Reports are he already voted against the stimulus while in committee and really I don’t think that surprised anyone who knew his record. Maybe just maybe they didn’t think his vote on the stimulus bill wasn’t relevant to the work he was going to do in Commerce. Yeah his vote could have been a litmus test but can you imagine the charges of bribing him for his vote if they rejected him solely on those grounds? Again that to me is more a problem with judgement, not a problem of vetting. I see a problem with vetting to mean that something comes up that wasn’t previously knows. I think they knew about his views on the stimulus but chose to overlook it.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Backwards lack of vetting?
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    Gregg asks for the job knowing BHO’s positions but thinks he can roll the “reach across the aisle” young president. He finds out he can’t and, after taking abuse from his party, quits.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    “I think they knew about his views on the stimulus but chose to overlook it.”

    Yes.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    Gregg being horribly, awfully, shamefully wrong doesn’t mean that the vetting wasn’t poor. This is like saying the security check was fine, the bast*** was just a spy.

  • georgiac

    Paul Dirks: “Any time you hear phrases like “They don’t think like us”, “They can’t be negotiated with because they aren’t rational”, “They want nothing but our destruction” and “They don’t care about anything else”, then you know that the process of cartoon drawing is in full swing.”

    Paul, isn’t your comment–”Many of the arguments they have and points they make have elements of truth to them but they don’t actually MEAN a single word of any of it.”–tantamount to the “cartoon drawing” you point out?

    I have a hard time understanding why so many people who seem to support Obama and his call to a more reasonable tone are unable to let go of knee-jerk reactions to all Republicans. Perhaps post-partisanism has to be a “ground up” movement. I am a life-long Democrat and hopeful and enthusiastic Obama supporter. But I also recognize that sometimes Republicans make good and useful points and that sometimes they mean them.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    But I also recognize that sometimes Republicans make good and useful points and that sometimes they mean them.
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    Sure.
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    Just not the 2009 edition of the GOP.

  • 2cute4prison

    @georgiac: You’re right, I think Lincoln made some fine points. After that, I’m going to need to see some links and documentation.

  • hellslittlestangel

    ‘Should they have just said “Well you’re a Republican so we don’t believe you”?’
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    Well, sgw, they shouldn’t have said it out loud. But they sure as hell ought to from now on.

  • kathy

    Despite the obvious problems, I think Obama comes out of this better in the long run. If Gregg had asked to be considered and he wasn’t, Obama would have looked “partisan.” Instead, it’s the Republicans who look petty, as Gregg looks like it was too much for him to cooperate with Obama.
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    This gives Obama broad leeway to be less “bipartisan.” Who’s going to complain when he names a Democrat to this position?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    @georgiac,
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    I recognized your point shortly after I hit the enter key, that I could be seen as guilty of what I myself was describing. But then I thought back to a discussion thread I saw between an aquaintance from a small Illinois town and a friend of hers from Chicago. I decided then that my characterization stood.
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    There are many places in America where people have never been to a major city and express extreme trepidation over the prosect. Yet they will not hesitate to go into sordid detail about what goes on there and what it tells us about ‘those people’
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    So unlike the people I’m caricaturing, I’m basing my cartoons on direct experience.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Ok think about this, the Rethugs are already in attack mode circulating a rumor, repeated by Andrea Mitchell’s dumb ass this morning on Morning Joe, that Rahm Emmanuel is trying to hijack the census. Everybody knows that the census is one of Gregg’s pet project. And understand that the census is going to be a big deal when it comes to upcoming elections and redistricting. Nobody on earth could have given them more political cover to reform the census process than Judd Gregg. That to me is the reason they chose him, not for the stimulus. And had it worked out they would have been able to do the census in a more fair and thorough way without being called partisan. To me that was a good try that just happened to fail when the groupie (Gregg)got kicked off the tour bus. He realized he wasn’t going to change anything and so he bounced in the most politically damaging way possible. Like I said before, yeah I would challenge the judgement on the move, but vetting not so much. It was a calculated risk that didn’t work out but they didn’t have some kind of bombshell land on them that they should have known before hand.

  • neren

    Joe,
    First off execellent post.
    I personally feel that what were seeing here is the Death Rattles of our old system of government. That is to say the last 40 years of ideological extremes are reaching a point of critcal failure that is to say…they just don’t work. I think Obama gets that which is why he was looking for ideas from the Republican’s but I don’t think the Republican’s get that yet. Likewise I feel the Older Democratic members are looking for payback for their years of mistreatment (which is noted & valid) but don’t get that it’s not beneficial to the massive cleanup of our systems

  • g_crush

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    JK: ..if the stimulus and bank bailout succeed in reviving the economy, Republicans may be less adamant in their opposition to other Obama initiatives.
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    Centrist Republicans – the few that still exist – maybe. The majority of the GOP would just double down on teh stupid ideology that caused this crisis in the first place.

  • billiecat

    porme’s right – the Gregg nomination was a gesture, and one that Obama went far out on a limb to make – setting it up so the seat wouldn’t change parties, for example, not requiring him to vote in favor of the recovery act. Now, you can go pretty far into the weeds and pretend that his slap in Obama’s face was “honest” or principled, or over attempts by Obama to “hijack” the census (which is legally entrusted to the executive, where the voters selected a Democrat, not a Republican), and that’s what the right wing noise machine is trying to do. But that all requires one to ignore the fact that, yes, they did talk to him about his disagreements with the administration before offering him the job, and that he did then take it, and one has to actually understand things like the actual duties of the Commerce secretary, to boot.
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    Much easier to think of this the way you think about anybody who is offered a job. Where I was raised (and where I expect most other people were, too), if someone offers you a job and you don’t have 100% agreement with the boss, you either politely decline it outright, or you take it and STFU. Gregg took the hand, then bit it, and the Republicans are crowing over it. The rest of us know bad manners when we see them.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    More on the failure of Republicans to mean their own rhetoric:
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    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_02/016872.php

  • choska

    “For example, if the stimulus and bank bailout succeed in reviving the economy, Republicans may be less adamant in their opposition to other Obama initiatives.”

    This will never happen. The Republicans are not interested in the welfare of the country. They never have been.

    Go back to the 1930s and you’ll see speech after speech from the Republicans forecasting that FDR was going to doom the US economy, and that we should ignore Hitler because we couldn’t afford to fight the war and/or because they thought they could do business with him.

    This is in the historical record. You can look it up.

    Today’s Republicans are no different than yesterday’s. They cling to their ideology even in the face of disaster. They are like those people who refuse modern medical treatment for their children, even as they watch that child suffer in excrutiating pain before they die from cancer.

    There is no negotiating with the Republicans. Even now people like Cantor and Norquist are actively scheming ways to destroy the Obama Presidency. And not only are they willing to crash the US economy in the process, they are looking for ways to crash of our economy in order to bring about Obama’s failure.

    Why else would they be offering stimulus packages that call for a complete and total US tax holiday? Only someone who is seething with hatred for United States and their fellow citizens would offer up an idea so willfully destructive.

    The Republicans simply do not have the best interest of the US at heart. Their only allegiance is to their ideology, and they will do whatever they can to destroy anyone who threatens their belief system.

  • richpletcher

    I know what would be a good epitath for Democrats … liar, thief, TAX cheat

  • rmrd

    georgiac

    Many of us form our opinions of Republicans from direct experience. At a recent luncheon, I sat with some retired businessmen who were Republican. I was told of ACORN getting billions from the stimulus plan. I also was informed that the stimulus plan included a medical mater bureaucrat who would decide medical care at the bedside,, telling your physician what could and could not be done.

    If these intelligent men believed the misinformation put out by wingnuts like Betsy McCaughey who works for BigPharma and promotes the medical master mythology, then what about the rest of the GOP?

    We see a wingnut like Deroy Murdoch offered a segment on David Shuster’s show to dispute global warming without an opponent pointing to readily available data directly addressing his article with scientific facts.

    In interacting on the African-American Republican website “Hip-Hop Republican”, I am told that Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican.
    I am also told that in questioning the war in Iraq, I am questioning the individual US troop serving in the military, an unpatriotic position. The MLK myth is easily deflected by pointing to the advice that MLK gave to Blacks in his autobiography not to vote for Barry Goldwater or any GOP member. The unpatriotic charge is wingnut mentality.

    My view of the current GOP is not a cartoon or an SNL skit, it’s an up close a personal view. In fact, one Republican acquaintance thought that an e-mail sent out by a Florida GOP official with a joke abut how 2 million Blacks could get to DC, but 2000 couldn’t get out of NOLA was funny and he printed it out to hand it out to people.

  • kristiia

    The recurring thought I keep having since Gregg decided to pull out and do everything he could to step all over Obama’s event in Peoria yesterday (real classy way to do it, douchebag), is the story of The Scorpion and the Frog http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html.

    Yes, we all know now that Republicans are Scorpions willing to take down the country for their own political gain (they hope). I had ridiculously, I guess, thought that perhaps the good of the country might actually effect their actions.

    Well, Obama will NOT be their frog but they have now been exposed again as the scorpions they truly are.

    Just like with Hillary and McCain, when Obama punches them back, Republicans will get the blame except for the 25-30% of the public who are essentially ditto-heads and unreachable. They can continue their ranting in their echo-chamber while the rest of us move on.

  • towandavt

    Judd Gregg is not known in the neighborhood for his inability to make a decision (for good or ill). While he politely demurs that he has chosen this course due to a crisis of conscience on idealogy, I wonder? Do we note that there is something brewing with one of his former aides cozy with the old K Street crowd and Abramoff? Hmmm! Do we note that the NH Republicans have had a bit of problem with some of their election tactics? Hmmm! Gregg is not that old, yet notes that he will not be seeking re-election next time? Hmmm! Does something else lie beneath? I just wonder?

  • http://blogs.wsj.com/capitaljournal/2009/02/13/political-wisdom-why-did-gregg-bolt-its-elementary-my-dear%e2%80%a6/ Political Wisdom: Why Did Gregg Bolt? It’s Elementary, My Dear… – Capital Journal – WSJ.com

    [...] that assaulting the new president as he tries to reach out is their ticket for future relevance. Time.com’s Joe Klein ponders the wake-up calls this is giving the Obama Administration. “The first, obviously, is that [...]

  • towandavt

    One further note…this is not to suggest a failure of the vetting process, rather, a move to avoid the vetting process perhaps?

  • middlegirl

    Joe, I’m a fan but this is a shoddy, hasty analysis. The census meme has been debunked, Gregg himself admitted that wasn’t the reason. To blame Obama for an apointee who approached him about the job is Villager-like in its superficiality. I expect more of you because you usually present more depth.

  • gapgold

    President Obama and his advisers are grandmaster chess players. They are merely pushing “pawns” and the republicans are “biting”. It’s hard to see the masterful moves of a grandmaster until the eventual advantages are unfolded. The end of the republican era will soon be realized.

  • middlegirl

    The press is doing its best to blame Obama but I predict the public will view Judd as the flakey one. He knew full well what Obama represented and approached him for the job. If Judd had been courted by the Obama administration, I could see some basis that it’s Obama’s fault. But when Judd took the initiative to seek out a job and apparently gave multiple assurances that he could work with Obama, how is this the fault of the vetting? And again, the census meme has been debunked.

  • http://bernielatham.com/2009/02/13/they-are-not-and-will-not-be-credible-partners/ They are not, and will not be, credible partners « The Brittle Hum of the Republic

    [...] Klein argues, persuasively, that the president “should have no illusions about the good faith of his [...]

  • shepherdwong

    “In time, there will be areas of common interest with Republicans on domestic issues.”
    .
    Obviously, they have “areas of common interest” right now, if Republicans actually cared about serving the country’s interests, rather than their own. If you’re saying Obama will have to wait until Republican self-interest is served by doing what the people elected them to do, I figure Obama already knows this. The bi-partisan schtick was always about getting folks like you to write things like: “…the Republicans are not reliable partners–at least, not for the moment.”

  • ameriman2

    Judd Greg is an honest, principled man who found himself in the deeply ideological Obama administration, where Democrat interests and liberal ideology trump all principle.
    The US census has been somewhat insulated from politics, however Obama wants the unprecedented change of handing the Census to his Chicago pol handlers (the offensively ideological Emanuel, and the completely political Axelrod).
    No honest man could continue under these dishonest and corrupt circumstances, and I applaud Greg for his principled withdrawal from the Obama sewer.
    Obama and the Dem’s concept of bi-partisanship is rubber stamping extreme liberal waste and sophomoric stupidity.

    After reading these posts, I’m shocked and disgusted to see the degree to which the once proud and balanced Time has become a one-sided, corrupt, indulgent liberal circle-jerk rag.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “This should come naturally to Obama; his gut instinct is toward reconciliation.”

    Don’t kid yousef.

    Obama abdicated the throne to Rahm Emanuel about 3 weeks ago.

  • http://www.epluribusunumblog.com/2009/02/working-the-refs/ Working the Refs | E Pluribus Unum

    [...] he has free reign from Villagers like Joe Klein to tell the Republicans to go Cheney themselves. You can ask yourself whether he had to go so far (see: FISA, Gregg, state secrets) but, [...]

  • lilyfield

    !. It was public knowledge that Bill Richardson was under federal investigation LONG BEFORE Obama nominated him.

    2. Judd Gregg had already made clear his opposition to the “stimulus” plan BEFORE Obama nominated him.

  • http://realidealist.net/2009/03/09/house-republican-explains-partys-goal/ House Republican explains party’s ‘goal’ – realidealist.net

    [...] they plan on looking to the minority party as credible and sincere governing partners. As Joe Klein recently argued, the president “should have no illusions about the good faith of his opponents.” No comments [...]

  • http://ikejakson.wordpress.com/2009/03/30/y%e2%80%99all-met-joe-the-plumber-now-meet-some-other-guys-called-joe/ Y’all met Joe the Plumber. Now meet some other guys called Joe! « Ike Jakson’s Blog

    [...] Don’t Trust, But Try to Reconcile [...]

  • http://ikejakson.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/the-greatest-habitual-liars-of-all-time-in-world-journalism/ The Greatest Habitual Liars of all Time in World Journalism « Ike Jakson’s Blog
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