Revisiting the Filibuster

The Other Klein argues today that it should be abolished:

The filibuster is the right to unlimited debate. It has instead become the refuge of those who could not win the last electoral argument, but seek to win the next one. The prime use of the filibuster now is to keep the majority party from governing successfully. It is the reason the stimulus is less likely to work and comprehensive health-care reform is unlikely to happen and climate change is unlikely to be averted.

The filibuster does, as The New York Times said, “fend off actions supported by a bare majority of the Senate, but deeply offensive to the minority.” But those “actions” amount to successful governance. What offends the minority is losing more seats. Generations before us have recognized this, and so long as the filibuster has been in existence, so too have wise politicians tried to constrain its capacity for mischief. But the experience of recent years suggests that the filibuster can no longer be contained. Foiling the majority is too tempting, it makes too much electoral sense. And so it may be time to finish the job that Henry Clay started. It may be time to abolish the filibuster.

As I’ve noted before in this space, I think the problem with the filibuster is that there aren’t enough of them. And by that, I mean real filibusters, the Mr.-Smith-Goes-To-Washington kind, where a Senator has to hold the floor and talk until he keels over. If Harry Reid called the minority’s bluff and made them stand before the country and hold up Senate business for days upon days, we’d see the tactic used more sparingly. And there might actually be consequences for doing it. Plus, it might be fun to watch one. At least once.

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  • stuartzechman

    I agree with you, KT.
    .
    One of the big reasons we think that Harry Reid is a chicken or a fool or a closet Republican (or various combinations thereof) is his absurd practice of the writing filibuster-proofness into the rules of Senate debate prior to bill-consideration every single time a piece of legislation is due to come to the floor.
    .
    Contrasting this with Bill Frist’s “nuclear option” threats makes us pretty darn infuriated, too.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I too agree that the problem isn’t that there are too many. The problem is that there are too few.
    .
    To simply agree to refrain from passing anything by less than 60 votes is NOT a filibuster and THATS what has allowed the process to be abused so thoroughly. If filibusters actually required filibustering they would be restored to their rightful place as a defense of the minority against a majority.

  • spob

    Let’s see Harry Reid do that. The longer this “stimulus” takes (and I put the quotes around it because it is far from clear that this bill will stimulate anything other than more interest payments to foreign creditors), the less likely it is to pass.

  • sqr1

    The largest coalition in the Senate is made of Republicans and center-right Democrats like Reid. Unfortunately, for them, the policies and positions that they advocate are not supported by most Americans. In the case of the center-right Democrats, their out-of-step positions are opposed generally by most Democrats and by most of their constituents.
    .
    This is a long-winded way of saying that the filibuster, in the current and previous Congresses, is not only a tool of the minority party. It is also repeatedly used, by an out-of-touch and corrupt Democratic leadership, to provide political cover for positions that would piss off the grass-roots of the party — and probably most of the country — is admitted explicitly.
    .
    Forcing the GOP to ACTUALLY filibuster sort of defeats the purpose for Reid.

  • kathy

    Agree that the threat of a filibuster is not a filibuster, and instead gives the minority a veto of anything it doesn’t like.

    Agree Reid needs to start letting the Republicans filibuster. It will look like sour grapes obstructionism.

  • pierogielunaire

    Amen! I mentioned this before on Scherer’s last post, but I think Reid should dare the GOP to filibuster the stimulus. Reid is weak. It’s maddening.

  • http://rodeomati.blogspot.com pattonmat89

    Can anyone say “CSpan allnighter”? That would actually be cool. But maybe I’m just too much of a nerd.

  • sacoharry

    Great post Karen. I agree with you. The best way to expose an wingnut is to let him or her speak. And to broadcast it. (see Michelle Bachmann)

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Again, yall know how I feel about filibustering. But a filibuster this time wouldn’t serve any purpose. They still need 60 votes to pass it regardless.

  • gysgt213

    There is no need to get rid of the filabuster. Just enforce the rules.

  • bryanfromhouston

    Thank you sgwhite.
    -
    All of this talk of filibuster is silly in this case. While I have decent command of constitutional law and understand most legislative process, I will not duplicate an already excellent post by David Waldman. I would have figured that Glennzilla would have already jumped on this, but I may have just missed it.
    -
    So, Karen and gang….this is for you:
    .
    http://david-waldman-aka-kagro-x.dailykos.com/

  • gysgt213

    “Again, yall know how I feel about filibustering. But a filibuster this time wouldn’t serve any purpose.”
    .
    There may just well be necessary times when Sentor(s) need to filibuster. Example, (FISA)when both parties are attempting to pass a very bad bill. Filibustering is a good way to show that the bill is bad and who will be responsible for it. But you need to force the debate to actually happen.

  • incandenzah

    Matt Taibbi from Rolling Stone put it well a while back:
    .
    “Solidifying his reputation as one of the biggest pussies in U.S. political history, Reid explained his decision to refocus his party’s energies on topics other than ending the war by saying he just couldn’t fit Iraq into his busy schedule.” (Rolling Stone, 2/28/08)

  • incandenzah

    I did not post that emoticon!
    Did I?

  • hellslittlestangel

    Isn’t the “the Mr.-Smith-Goes-To-Washington” kind of filibuster a Hollywood dramatic fantasy? Has anything remotely resembling it ever actually happened?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    hells
    .
    No and yes

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    incand
    .
    how did you get the p word past the mods?

  • http://rodeomati.blogspot.com pattonmat89

    Strom Thurmond filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1957 for 24 hours and 18 minutes. Republicans filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for 75 hours total. Not exactly “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington”, but obviously there have been some ballbuster filibusters.

  • incandenzah

    sg… probably the plural. Or they disregard words within quotes? Or they think Taibbi was talking about kitty cats. Who can say? Seems arbitrary, no?

  • Karen Tumulty

    hell:

    Yes, it has. the longest individual speech in Senate history was in 1957, when Strom Thurmond spoke for 24 hours and 18 minutes during a filibuster against a civil rights bill. Also, from my link:

    Dramatic filibusters do still occur on occasion, as demonstrated by a 1987–1988 Republican filibuster against a campaign finance reform bill. To counter Republican obstruction, the majority leader, Democrat Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, forced round-the-clock Senate sessions that disrupted the chamber for three days. When Republicans boycotted the sessions, Byrd resurrected a little-known power that had last been wielded in 1942: he directed the Senate sergeant-at-arms to arrest absent members and bring them to the floor. In the resulting turmoil, Oregon Republican Bob Packwood was arrested, reinjured a broken finger, and was physically carried onto the Senate floor at 1:19 a.m. Democrats were still unable to break the filibuster, and the campaign finance bill was pulled from the floor after a record-setting eighth cloture vote failed to limit debate.

  • ewstephe

    The Strom Thurmond situation is itself an argument against the filibuster. He wasted more than 24 hours arguing against a bill that later passed, but he managed to stay in office until he was 100 years old. What unproductive behavior, and yet voters rewarded him for it.

  • ewstephe

    ‘course if someone were to decide to filibuster against the stimulus, i’d get over there as soon as possible or be glued to cspan for the whole thing. so i guess i shouldn’t criticize the system!

  • wvng

    ewstephe: The Strom Thurmond situation is itself an argument against the filibuster. Not when the current polling is what it is. From PA: We talked earlier about the new Gallup poll, which shows widespread support for President Obama’s handling of the stimulus-bill effort, and opposition to the conduct of congressional Republicans. As it turns out, a new CNN poll found similar results.
    .
    OT, but Benen made an important observation that should be worthy of reporting by K-Tum et al. On a Hannity fan asking Obama a rude-ish question today: Now, it’s always good when a public official can defuse tension with a little humor, and I’m very glad Obama defended the woman’s right to ask a confrontational question. But reading about this, another angle comes to mind: since when can critics of the president attend public events and ask unscreened questions? Apparently, as of about 20 days ago.
    .

    The new president traveled to an economically-depressed community that voted heavily for his opponent in November. Tickets to the event were publicly available to anyone, no loyalty oaths or Democratic fealty required. White House staffers didn’t check bumper-stickers for conservative messages, and there was no “blacklist” of Republicans who would be denied entry. There were no hand-picked questions and no hand-picked questioners.
    .
    So this is what it’s like to have a president with the courage of his convictions, and the confidence to talk to Americans who may disagree with him. I’d almost forgotten.

    .
    So, KT, what do you think? Personally I think that having a President who wants to engage all Americans is rather important.

  • bryanfromhouston

    wvng,
    -
    You are right. People will have a whole lot more respect for Obama than others before him. And also a lot more respect than they do for Reid or Pelosi. It is as if they have never negotiated before. What they should have done was produce an all-spending bill? Tell Republicans that it was a take it or leave it. When they balked, then they should have said what can we add or change to make this bill more to your liking and ensure your vote. And we won’t agree to the change until you go on national tv and say I can now support this bill because…. But instead, they are playing poker with their hand face-up. Like it has been posted here many times before would love to see ol’ Harry at a poker table…like candy from a baby.

  • atsegga

    The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.

    $30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
    $550 billion: U.S. Defense budget

  • wvng

    Another OT question to KT. Maddow had a superb bit last week on the republicans saying things that are demonstrably not true, and no one refusing to air them and no one correcting them. She ended by saying: “It matters when you’re wrong. A whopping proportion of the Republican rhetoric about stimulus is wrong – total economic bull puckey. It’s time to take the radical step of privileging correct information over incorrect information.”
    .
    Question. Do you think the media has a responsibility to “privilege correct information over incorrect information”? A number of of have noted that NPR used to do so, and no longer does.
    .
    You can see the video here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/29062335#29062335

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    bryanfromhouston
    .
    I have to say that I think Pelosi is getting a little tougher and a lot better. IMHO she did a good job with the bill and said phuck the Republicans and rammed it through without them. Harry Reid is the epitome of WeakSauce but I think Pelosi is coming around.

  • formerlyjames

    A filibuster doesn’t change anything. It is a delay tactic, as if there isn’t enough delay already. It’s especially egregious when nobody knows what they are talking about anyway, as in the current stimulus bill. Spend or tax cut? Who the hell knows? Nobody. What is known is that something needs to be done quickly. When it would be useful as a matter of positive principle, as in the Iraq war resolution, nobody mentions it because the congress, the media, the public is having an insane feeding frenzy. But mostly, a filibuster only serves the thing I find most maddening about politicians, the need to primp, posture, strut, and profile as if they are really statesmen. We know better.

  • bitterpill8

    KT: the filibuster is a red herring. The real problem is that our political discourse gives equal weight to those who speak the truth and those who lie. All this in the name of equivalence. The MSM – the Blitzers, the Kings, the O’Riellys – are guilty of this.

    We have so much mindless repitition of talking points that members of your fraternity have become enablers: giving undue prominence to criticism of 7/10th of 1 per cent of a package.

    When have we had the MSM actually take politicians to task for telling lies or for distortion. Kyl, Inhofe, Vitter… the list goes on and on.

  • opensourcepundits

    I whole-heartedly agree that we need to see the Majority party (whoever it is at the time) more willing to call the bluff of the Minority and force a true, old school filibuster. It’s the only way we’ll ever see the majority get anything done, because no one will truly filibuster if they know it won’t work if they are basically talking out of random orifices (see: Republicans on the Stimulus).
    .
    The worst part about Reid, in particular, is his complete lack of explanation as to WHY he won’t force Republicans to take and hold the floor. The closest thing I’ve heard as a reason is “so they won’t do it to us later”, which is probably the most chicken (bleep) answer one can give.
    .
    All I want is an answer as to why. If there’s a legit reason, fine. But from everything I’ve seen…it’s his own “Senate Club” mentality, where his buddies in suits (no matter the party) deserve more credence than the citizens of this country – who he is supposed to be serving.

  • bryanfromhouston

    That Maddow piece is at hard-hitting and real as anything I have seen. It should be shown to every American.

  • trifecta55

    The filibuster threat the last several years has literally been unprecedented. The GOP broke the long standing non verbal agreement to not do this all the time on just about anything. It would be nice for that to be more widely known.
    .
    It would also be nice for how the GOP treated the minority from 2001-2007 to be better known as well.

  • hellslittlestangel

    Jimmy Stewart and Strom Thurmond. No that’s what I would call a remote resemblance. :)
    .

  • newfloridian

    Has anyone considered the potential that the Republican Senators are actually too lazy to really conduct a filibuster? A real filibuster conducted to attempt to derail a stimulus bill that most Americans approve of, would be a public relations nightmare for the Republican Party. Hasn’t anyone thought of this or is Harry Reid just so out of it?

  • newfloridian

    As concerned as we are about the filibuster there is a portion of America more concerned about the beat down Chris Brown gave Rhianna, the fact that Owen Wilson and Kate Hudson are back together, the story that Britney has rehired her former personal assistant, and that American Idol returns tonight. They may be unemployed, among the future unemployed or just up to the eyelashes in bills, but they do have their priorities. Just a thought about shallowness in a time of economic fear.

  • sacoharry

    Cloture passed, bill on its way to conference. Everything up to now has been grandstanding and show, based on “first-run” bills whose only purpose was to move the ball down the field. It’s only now, when the next bill to come out will be the real one, that we’ll know exactly where everyone stands. I stand by my prediction of a week or so ago, 40 Republican House “yea”s in the end. There are, for sure, plenty of ideologues who would rather light themselves on fire than vote for government spending, but I think 40 will come around. Senate, maybe 10. If they keep reading the polls and wake up, maybe 15.

  • shepherdwong

    “Agree Reid needs to start letting the Republicans filibuster. It will look like sour grapes obstructionism.”
    .
    Though it already is and has spectacularly been for a long time (not that you’d hear that much from any news organization). And we’re blaming the Democrat again for that obstructionism. But…I agree.
    .
    Any decent primary challengers announced for Reid? Looks ripe for pickin’ to me.

  • formerlyjames

    newfloridian, the Republicans and Bushies are very thankful for those people you describe.

  • wvng

    Our long national nightmare is over, “Owen Wilson and Kate Hudson are back together.”
    .
    I will sleep well tonight. Thank you, newfloridian (speaking as a one-time floridian who got the heck out).

  • wvng

    b-tex: That Maddow piece is at hard-hitting and real as anything I have seen. It should be shown to every American.
    .
    And it should be force fed to every journalist.

  • tyrantking

    I think there should be embedded reporters during the filibuster. Like happened during the Iraq invasion. That would be awesome.

  • wvng

    No, that would be “The Awesome.” And the embeds could receive their RW talking points without moving a muscle.

  • Cliff

    If you would like to see some real Obama criticism, not p-luk’s tepid puma-isms, check Greenwald’s latest post:
    .
    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/09/state_secrets/index.html

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    If ever the filibuster was in order, it would be now.

    Obama is saddling future generations with horrendous tax burdens.

    Dumbest economic legislation in the last 100 years, if not U.S. history.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Obama walks and talks like some cocksure teenager — with the same level of experience.

    What the mass appeal for this MOOP is I don’t know.

    He frankly comes across as the typical campus deadhead, with nary a clue as to where he’s really been or where he’s really dragging everyone else.

    BTW: Any body language analysis of the clown would reveal his political lies almost immediately. That the press offers him another weekly pass based on socialist intentions instead of American realities is not news, of course.

  • Matt

    This same debate goes on every time a new party takes control in Washington. First it was the GOP calling the filibuster “unconstitutional.” Now the Dems are whining.

    It will go on and on until some majority leader has the guts to pull the plug.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • 53_3

    hulu, again, you are dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill:
    .
    It isn’t Obama that will saddle them with horrendous tax burdens, it is that the GOP already has saddled them with will become horrendous tax burden:
    http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/topstocks/archive/2008/11/24/the-real-bailout-cost-7-4-trillion.aspx
    .
    So stop you whining about the $838,000,000,000 that Obama is targeting the middle class** now and take a look at the amount nine times as large that the GOP handed out.
    .
    And just what happened when Bernanke and Paulson handed out these trillions of dollars?
    .
    ABSOULUETLY NOTHING
    .
    Now, that is what I call clear proof that “trickle down” works.
    .
    Or doesn’t…
    .
    **I’ve never heard you say that phrase, either!

  • 53_3

    = HULAGATE STUPIDITY ACCOMPLISHED =

  • 53_3

    I think the Dems should pull the plug on the filibuster.
    .
    Then, they should back it up, crank the wheel over, romp on the gas, and proceed to run the f*ck over those assholes…

  • cognomen09

    Obama won the election by remaining true to himself and allowing his opponents to reveal themselves. Allowing filibusters would do the same; and then President Obama can be bipartisan with whatever Republicans are left after the 2010 elections.

  • 53_3

    I think the Dems should pull the plug on the filibuster.
    .
    Then, they should back it up, crank the wheel over, romp on the gas, and proceed to run the f*ck over those arseholes…

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  • carpevis

    I think it’s a good idea to allow the filibuster, but as the author suggests, only single-person filibusters who must yield to the opposing party when they can’t talk anymore. They may not take restroom breaks. They may not eat. They may not leave for rest. They may not yield the floor to a friendly face (No tag-team filibusters). If they want to hold up the business of government, then they must stay and do it until they can’t physically do it anymore.

    That’s a show I’d watch.

  • newfloridian

    The meds have just worn off for hulagate! Labradoodle shampoo? Absolutely nothing in your post makes any sense.. except to you. Hulagate…. breathe very deeply, then quietly as you can get up and look out your basement window, the people walking outside are bad people. They are planning to take you away to a re-education camp. Now find a large plastic bag you can hide in… seal it tightly so nothing can get in. Those people outside will soon go away…..

  • newfloridian

    caroevus: As much as we wish not, we have to allow the rules of the filibuster- primarily that they can yield to another friendly face; it is not a filibuster without certain rules and the rules should be followed. The fun thing will be seeing how many Republicans are actually dedicated enough to spend hours and hours on the floor speaking up against the stimulus bill. I believe few will do so. They will collapse because most are too fat and out of shape to withtand the rigors of a real filibuster. They may turn the Senate into a very long comedy routine if they try to filibuster.

    Anyone watch the Obama press conference? Sweet. Looks and talks like a real President who understands what the hell he is doing.

  • 53_3

    carpevis:
    .
    I think really that is a good idea. If you are a Republican spouting rhetoric, then put up or shut up. If you really believe what you say, put your body and mind on the line. Two rules:
    1. You must remain standing and lapse your speech no longer than 30 seconds
    2. Anyone may bring you food, water, and remove waste products.
    .
    The public enema would be a real test of GOP resolve…

  • iwasindependent

    Did the president just call the GOP a bunch of children in front of a national audience? It was the question about looking towards health care reform, SS, etc.

  • 53_3

    I did, newfloridian, and I have to say:
    .
    He is greatly superior, in intellect and in candidness, to the likes of Hulagate and the GOP.
    .
    I loved the way he dissed the GOP on the “do nothing” and “smaller government” camp. Even going so far as to point out that there are a lot more politicians than economists who disagree with him.
    .
    On matters of the economy, excuse me, but I’ll take the economists.
    .
    Any day…

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    That was all kindsa AwesomeSauce from our CIC. Talk about smacking fools upside the head. Did you notice that he specifically beat the hell outta McCain with out ever calling him by name? Man that was beautiful.

  • 53_3

    “id the president just call the GOP a bunch of children in front of a national audience?”
    .
    Remember the dog in the game Duck Hunt?
    .
    Snicker snicker

  • 53_3

    …even McCains’ economists…

  • iwasindependent

    Sorry, I was deprived of video games growing up (no sympathy please), so I’ll need help with the allusion.

  • 53_3

    He snickers when you screw up. Also, I can’t remember exactly, but I seem to remember on the Dudley Dooright show a dog that snickered when he got away with something.

  • 53_3

    This point was the strongest point he made on the issue of ideology:
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    “The federal government is the only entity left with the resources to jolt our economy back to life,…”
    .
    This is a basic truth…

  • iwasindependent

    I liked how he set up the Japan episode as a lesson in how to do it wrong. It smacked of, how do you say, rational thought.

  • jcapan

    “Anyone watch the Obama press conference? Sweet. Looks and talks like a real President who understands what the hell he is doing”
    ~
    Indeed, even in J-town, I could and did. Our long period of national humiliation is over. Every time W. gave one of these I believe the world got a little dumberer.
    ~
    I may be with Greenwald on today’s v. disappointing DOJ decision, I may not have liked the poor stimulus execution thus far, but it sure is nice to have an intelligent/articulate democrat in office, espousing democratic principles effectively and palatably.
    ~
    But god, please don’t use CIC even for a dem president. “The single worst expression in American politics”

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    jcapan
    .
    I am sorry but President Obama just seems to exude everything I would imagine with the words “Commander in Chief”

  • ottoman88

    But god, please don’t use CIC even for a dem president. “The single worst expression in American politics”
    .
    Agreed. He’s commander in chief of the armed forces. Unless we’re discussing military strategy, let’s call him the president.

  • ottoman88

    I’d like to encourage Hulagate to keep on posting his brilliant comments here.
    .
    If anything is going to drive the last few sane people out of the Republican Party, it’s that level of mental institution style babbling. The GOP is already a dwindling minority, but with morons like Joe the Plumber and Hulagate forming its public face, it should be down to nothing in no time.

  • jcapan

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/11/02/biden/
    ~
    sgw: Listen, I get the thrill. I’ve been voting for dems since ’88 and am more satisfied than I’ve ever been. Clinton was a once-in-a-generation intellect/spokesman, but his fatal flaw was his own hubris–he simply didn’t come across as genuine. Always way too full of himself and his ego. Most folks can’t judge that, as they get snowed by “hey I agree with this guy or he sure talks purty.” Obama is genuine and that’s why he’s potentially so much more threatening to estab. interests, if he’s truly willing to take them on (verdict is out). W. was genuine but really dumb and wrong. Imagine: smart, articulate, correct and genuine–that’s a devastating combo.
    ~
    So, I long to hear Obama call for sacrifice from the American people. I’m happy to hear him castigate us for our own profligacy. Scold, cajole, b-tchslap us if you like, but “command,” sorry, uh uh. Leave that to the neo-fascist thrill-up-the-leg Tweety bird crowd. No matter how cool, how lockstep ideologically, you’re the president, not our commander.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    jcapan
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    I guess its the difference in what we both think the word commander means. To me a commander isn’t a fascist or a dictator. In my book he is a leader not only of the military but of the country. He sets the agenda for the country, he is tasked with keeping us safe and he takes his obligations seriously. He is a commander in the sense that he points us in the right direction and moves the country that way. Like I said, its just that we have different ideas of what a commander is. But I respect where you are coming from.

  • jcapan

    Well, part of distaste for the term stems from the last 8 yrs. of ad nauseam usage, complete with images of our beloved CIC in a crotch-hugging flight suit, essentializing festishsizing the office in a v. disturbing way. So, while I get you that this pres. might possess what you and I deem more commander-like qualities, I also weep at the notion of it’s future use in the hands of some other knuckle-dragging neo-con wackjob. I don’t expect republicans to bow down to our president and do his bidding just as we sure didn’t want to be in that prone position under Bush. Not to mention that many of BO’s policies are wrong–Afghan, the state secrets bs, tax cuts in the bill etc–if I call him my commander, that seems to eliminate my ability to call him out for his shortcomings.
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    Again, I respect the spirit of what you’re saying but I just find it’s usage problematic.

  • newfloridian

    Ladies and Gentlemen…. There is a President in the house!

  • kristiia

    Today was enjoyable. Can President Obama have a town hall and a press conference everyday? Pretty please with a cherry on top?

    I also like the poll numbers showing a huge majority of Americans disapprove of the Republicans but love the Prez. Meanwhile, Republicans and Conventional Wisdom pundits run in delusional, happy circles of denial about how much they are kicking Obama’s ass within their own little echo-chambers.

  • sacredh

    I didn’t get to watch the speech until I got home from work. It was sobering but there was cause for at least some optimism. The President was realistic in his assessment of the economy and didn’t try to sugarcoat what lies in front of us. I did laugh out loud when he said he shouldn’t have included any tax cuts and then add them later so that the republicans could take credit for them. Sadly, there is more than a little truth behind that line of reasoning. The republicans in the house and senate can’t seem to understand that they aren’t in control anymore. Collins, Snowe and Specter broke ranks and put country first. That isn’t going to play well with the rest of their party. With all of New England breaking blue and Pennsylvania already there, it really wouldn’t surprise me if one or more of them turns independent and caucus with the democrats. If the republican leadership is foolish enough to try to obstruct everything Obama does, we could see that sooner rather than later. Come on over to our side. We have cookies.

  • plukasiak

    I think it’s a good idea to allow the filibuster, but as the author suggests, only single-person filibusters who must yield to the opposing party when they can’t talk anymore. They may not take restroom breaks. They may not eat. They may not leave for rest. They may not yield the floor to a friendly face (No tag-team filibusters). If they want to hold up the business of government, then they must stay and do it until they can’t physically do it anymore.
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    wow, its amazing that some people don’t understand what a filibuster actually is. A filibuster is the “default” — the Senate rules are for unlimited debate, and a cloture vote (consisting of a supermajority of 60) must pass to end the debate.
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    The “one man filibuster” is only effective in preventing a cloture vote from being taken. Motions to consider cloture are “privileged”, once the floor is yielded by an individual, the cloture motion takes precedence over other speakers. But once an individual starts speaking, he can speak as long as he wants (thus preventing a cloture motion.) As long as there are not 60 votes to end debate, debate continues and anyone who wants to speak is entitled to do so. (The “Mr. Smith” filibuster was all about preventing a cloture vote, which Mr. Smith knew would pass. Same thing with Strom’s filibuster.)
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    As to whose fault the delay is, don’t blame the GOP. First off, its Obama’s insistence on getting a “bi-partisan” bill that has created this problem. (Indeed, by saying he wanted 80 votes for the bill, he put the GOP in the drivers seat, and by including ill-advised tax cuts without any commitment from GOP that it would yield votes, he handed the minority party the gas credit card.)
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    This bill would already be signed if Obama prioritized the economy over his image as the Lightbringer. If he’d submitted his own bill to congress, it would have passed the house with only minor changes (if any). And the same goes for the Senate — any effort by the GOP to deny a cloture motion should have forced a filibuster, and the public outcry brought about by the GOP’s obstruction during what is perceived as an economic crisis would have resulted in the GOP begging Reid to schedule another cloture vote (I mean, there are people like Specter and Vitter who are up for election in 2010 — if they voted with the GOP, they’d be toast in 2010.)
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    Reid is only following Obama’s cues here — empowering DINOs from far right wing states like Ben Nelson to take over leadership on the Senate bill. (Again, if it had been Obama’s bill, leadership on the bill would have gone to an Obama ally, who would be given the power to make minor changes to attract a few GOP votes.)
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    So don’t blame Reid — while he’s doing what he does best (caving to the GOP), that’s exactly what Obama wants from him.

  • FlownOver

    (a) Don’t feed the trolls.
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    (b) Let’s have real filibusters. IIf GOP senators had to resort to reading from the Constitution they might discover what’s in the document.

  • http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/10/27/lieberman-to-filibuster-the-public-option/ Lieberman To Filibuster The Public Option. – Swampland – TIME.com

    [...] And speaking of filibusters, maybe this is the moment to renew my campaign to make them really do [...]

  • theotherjimmyolson

    Ah,,, batguano, did you notice this was a post on the filibuster?

  • charlieb1000

    It is indeed time to force our Senators to do what we sent them there to do. Hold back on our political donations until they force the filibuster. Make the radicals stand up and show their faces as they obstruct change and the MAJORITY will. Much of the past horse trading by Harry Reed on the health bill was done to win the vote of radicals or satisfy special interests of greedy Senators on the far left of the Democratic party. Centrists can prevail if the fringes of both parties are forced to stand and be recognized for what they are in a filibuster fight. I say “bring it on”.

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