In the Arena

Stuffing the Sausage

Barack Obama’s op-ed piece in the Washington Post today is a bit of a disappointment. It reads like political boilerplate. And it’s unnecessary: the President is far more effective when he speaks–and he has gotten a bit more pointed in the past few days, making it clear that the sort of “stimulus” that Republicans support represents the failed economic policies–the fetishizing of tax cuts–that helped lead to the current mess. I have reservations about the stimulus package. Any sentient human would; I’m sure Obama himself does. But the  bottom line remains the same: the government needs to take an active, immediate role in goosing the economy lest we fall into a deflationary spiral. If I were a member of congress, I’d even, reluctantly, vote for a bill that included funding for a John McCain-Joe Lieberman buddy movie–think of all the grips and make-up people who’d be employed–or a new military kazoo band. We need to put people to work, get money flowing through the system. It needs to be done now.

Some further points:

1. Obama comes to office needing to do three things–stimulate the economy, rebuild the infrastructure after thirty years of neglect, and reform (and refund) necessary government services. As I’ve written elsewhere, it may have been a mistake to include all these projects into one bill. The reform and refunding of government services should have been done separately. There needs, for example, to be a serious national discussion about how and whether to fight sexually transmitted diseases–it deserves more consideration than the mockery it’s getting in the current debate. Harold Pollack makes a compelling argument for all the health funding that’s being dropped from the bill here. I could make a worthy case for retaining the much-derided $50 million in funding for the National Endowment of the Arts–it would stimulate immediate jobs and rectify the scandalous national decline in the teaching of music and art. As I said, it would be nice to deal with these items more deliberately and carefully–and I would hope that they will be, even if they’re dropped from the bill. But the job before Congress right now is to get something passed that injects money into the system, as quickly as possible. If that means worthy programs have be delayed, so be it.

2. In 1993, I did a pretty shabby job of covering Bill Clinton’s economic plan. It was, in sum, a very good plan–it worked wonders for the economy–but I focused on the mishaps. (Clinton, for example, pulled the rug out from under House Democrats by offering a carbon tax, which they voted for…and then the President removed it from the bill.) Clinton couldn’t get any Republican votes for the package. A disaster! He had trouble getting Democratic votes for it; he had to beg Bob Kerrey for his vote to get it through the Senate. His presidency was in ruins! He had lost all credibility! (Actually, those of us who had focused on some big ugly trees rather than the blooming forest were the ones who had lost credibility.) It pains me to watch normally reasonable colleagues overreacting to Obama’s situation now–which is far less dire than Clinton’s was. Some form of stimulus will pass. If it doesn’t revive the economy, then more stimulus will be passed. Obama’s maintaining the proper balance of reaching out to Republicans, making some compromises, but staying firm on the need for a bill that includes public works as well as tax cuts. A Republican Senator, a vocal opponent of the bill, told me the other day: “The guy has really impressed us. We may not vote for the bill, and he may have to learn that you have to give us more than he wants to give us to make us happy, but he’s made a really strong start that will work to his benefit down the road.”

3. The legislative process is as ugly as a wart. We only notice it when an earth-shattering monstrosity like the stimulus bill comes gallumphing down the track, but there is no such thing as elegant legislation. You always have to throw in a little sweetener–the museum of organized crime in Las Vegas, the military kazoo band, whatever–if you want to cobble together the votes needed to win. This is business as usual–and Barack Obama is guilty as charged: he’s trying to get this thing through the old-fashioned way. So what? What’s new is his priorities: his efforts to put the needs of the working poor and the unemployed ahead of the wealthy, to build a new green economy, to fund inner city education and remake the health insurance system. That is what the American people voted for after an era of Republican neglect. The messiness of the current process is not only inevitable, it also says very little about Obama’s ability to deliver on those very necessary goals.

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    What’s new IS old, again.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Again you are just like the colleagues you lampoon Joke Line when you call it a monstrosity when as President Obama pointed out all of the objectional provisions add up to less than 1 percent of the total package. But what do you AND they focus on? The less than 1 percent. By the way dumb ass its not a stimulus bill. ITS THE AMERICAN RECOVERY AND REINVESTMENT ACT. Maybe when you stop using your own term for the bill you will realize that it does exactly what the title implies and what its meant to do.

  • pierogielunaire

    I’m just relieved to see Obama taking the wheel back. The main paragraph from his op ed about not returning to the failed theories that got us into this mess in the first place should be said over and over again. And Joe, reporters like yourself can help this process by asking Republicans chanting their tax cut mantra why, if they know so much about how to manage the economy, have they been holding out on us for so long.

  • bryanfromhouston

    Joe,
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    That first paragraph reads as if you are scared about losing your job. Seriously.
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    Right now Obama is the decider. He was voted in as president to make the tough calls….good, bad or indifferent. I am getting sick and tired of Republicans and some moderates questioning the man. He promised an aire of inclusiveness. The Republicans have had their chance to make an argument, and in the end, there is only one decision that matters. It is his Obama’s decision. He is the Captain of this ship. He is the one that signs laws into execution. If people don’t like it, go try your luck in another country.
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    It is a sort of rare hypocrisy that the Republicans are employing. The pot calling the kettle black. Asking Obama to hold his democratic party back from doing what they fundamentally think is right for the economy both in the short-term and the long-term. Just let the do it already and shut up about how those who aren’t in power feel left out. You already got your vote. That is all you or I get.

  • palininatowel

    There is a certain irony in Obama — the reincarnation of the Great Communicator — having to peddle something this lame to The Washington Post, while the inane Bush-Cheney cabal rushed the bailout bill through with nary a check or a balance.
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    I guess it just goes to show that threatening elected officials and directing scare tactics at the general public work better than rational explanation and respecting folks’ ability to understand complex issues.
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    Looks like Obama’s confidence in the public’s ability to grasp these complexities overshot the reality.
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    Oh look! American Idol! I get it! Talented/sucky. Black/white. Good/Evil. The world of Bush-Cheney will haunt us for generations.

  • 53_3

    Obama is in the postion Gorbachev was – trying to reform from within.
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    It’s really almost impossible, when you think about it. How do you change things using the mechanisms of a machine that resists change? How do you stay clean when you have to swim in the same dirty water everyone else did?
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    Seperation of powers keeps him from forcing Reid and Pelosi to stop allowing unrelated additions to the stimulus bill. They are on their own quest – to maintain their power by allowing shortsighted compatriots to grab what they can while the grabbing is good.
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    It’s microscopic compared to the GOP Treasury feeding frenzy in Bush’s waning days, but it’s also much more visible. Dems need to get a longer view on this…

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    It IS a monstrosity, sg. Ari Melber just twittered that what would really make sense is a series of individual bills, voted up or down on their merits, than one enormous pile of sh!t. A functional legislature would have considered this package as a couple of dozen or so bills, passed or rejected over a week or two of time. These omnibus bills are sure to have stuff in them that sucks, and make more of these “sweeteners” necessary.
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    But this is how it’s done. Which is the longer explanation of my “Duh” comment to the MS post that this appears to be a response to.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    It’s nice to hear a journalist admit error, how long before we get a substantial retraction of your FISA failure? And you did fail Joe. Journalists wiretapped, service members phone calls taped and passed around for a few giggles…everything you were warned about but arrogantly dismissed.
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    The Dems on my teevee are doing a horrible job selling this btw, the black guy who isn’t Roland Martin was absolutely awful on the Andy Vanderbilt Show last night. David Gergen was laughing at him and shaking his head.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    This headline from the MSNBC coverage of the op-ed certainly got MY attention:
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    In op-ed, Obama warns of irreversible recession
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    The first two commenters on their Newsvine site reference Bush fear-mongering and Chicken Little. I’m not sure how Obama is going to counter the “boy who cried ‘wolf’” effect of the last eight years. It’s not his fault that “the boy” in this case is the previous administration (not-so-previous, since Cheney is still at it).
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    What is the responsibility of the press in either verifying or refuting these claims? When our civil liberties were at stake, they took them seriously, laying the foundation for our current “panic-fatigue”. If the sky really is failing, it would be considered news, right?

  • queencersei

    The Republican’s have gotten gotten their groove back to a certain extent in the last couple of weeks. They have done a good job of thowing out simple words and phrases to re-define this bill on their terms. And it seems to be working. People are increasingly thinking it is a big fat porky spending bill. Obama needs to cut through this and get his message back on target. And he needs to whip up the Democrats to fall in behind him. It doesn’t help to have them sniping behind his back at times.

  • Art Pepper

    #2: I really appreciate that you are willing to make an honest assessment of your mistakes from that period. Would that more journalists and politicians had the same attitude. If GWB had had the same attitude, maybe he would have learned something. (In the same spirit, I’ve posted some comments I regret!)
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    #3: Yes, thank you for saying this.
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    WSJ: “unemployment benefits jumped last week to the highest level seen since 1982″ – I want some Republican to tell me how a tax cut is going to help the 625,000 people who just lost jobs.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Oh, and I think the governors and mayors who are in favor of the Recovery and Reinvestment Act should get much more media attention than they have.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    People who should be seen on TV and in print right now instead of pundits: college presidents, small business owners, auto dealers, auto suppliers, state unemployment office officials, state legislators, city managers, county managers, retirement/estate planning advisors …

  • Art Pepper

    btw, I thought the op-ed was pretty good. It was sober and plain-spoken.
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    I wonder if splitting the bill into smaller chunk would lead to its death by a thousand cuts. The Republicans would be able to complain about every single item instead of whining about a few select things they hate, like family planning and music teachers.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    CEO pay is chump change, when compared to the $$$ we’ve flush down the failed inner city school and bogus social welfare programs the last 30 years. When will Obama go after the slacker unions, make work government agencies in the Executive branch, steroid pumping corrupt cops at every level, ancient tax policy, and all the other real issues that have real impact, on average Americans? Some change, that one. Move On indeed.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    53_3
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    I don’t think you are quite right about Pelosi and Reid on this one. Congressman Obey put in most of the objectionable stuff in the last bill but the truth is just about all of it would have helped the economy. It just wasn’t “politically” viable. Its not Pelosi and Reid doing Obama a disservice its the Rethugs and the media focusing on less than one percent of the bill. Now if you are really trying to say that Pelosi and Reid are trying to hurt Obama by “loading up” the bill with all of less than 1 percent of the whole build then good luck with that. I don’t see how you could possibly make that case even though every MSM outlet is frantically trying.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    build should be bill

  • wvng

    TPM tells me that only Four Republican Senators are Open to Working With Obama.
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    President Obama talks about seeking bipartisan accord … and he reaches out to GOP senators … but how many Republicans are even open to the need for fixing the economy through government spending?
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    As The Washington Independent’s Dave Weigel points out, that question seems to have been answered in a Senate vote last night. When Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) offered an alternative stimulus plan that would replace all government spending in the stimulus with a series of tax cuts, 36 Republican senators voted for it.
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    To emphasize the point, that means all but four GOPers were perfectly happy with scrapping the core assumption of the president’s plan. Here, then, are the four Republican senators whom Obama has the best shot at working with: Susan Collins (ME), George Voinovich (OH), Arlen Specter (PA), and Olympia Snowe (ME).

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    As for the bill being messy, Keynes wouldn’t care, as long as jobs of some, any sort are created. And I don’t think it has people digging holes and filling then in, does it?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    jayackroyd
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    Here is my point, excusing Ari Melber for a moment. If there was a lot of “junk” in the bill that people actually thought should never get done then I would tend to agree with him. But I have to ask that if the same people calling it “junk” believe that stuff like the family planning provision or the mall renovation or the smoking cessation provisions are things that SHOULD be done, why exactly, other than political motivations, wouldn’t we do it in this bill? If the conversation shifts into a political conversation instead of one on the merits of those provisions then I say its a bunch of bullsh*t. If those things would help the economy, the truth is we shouldn’t be worried about political attacks behind them if we REALLY want to change the way Washington works. Otherwise what Melber and others is really advocating IS more of the same. “Lets keep this stuff out of the bill because if we don’t the Republicans will make fun of us and the Villagers will laugh”. Sorry I have a very hard time getting all flushed and flustered over less than 1 percent of the bill. Especially when I agree with that less than 1 percent

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…music teachers…”
    _____________________
    As long as they keep their paws off the kiddies, we love the show tunes.

    Unfortunately, like the fat thonged wrestler in Minnetonka and myriad clowns from Chicago, more than a few of the over-protected arts educators seem more interested in full on sex than just sex education.

    But enough about Barney Frankly and BJ Clixon.

  • Art Pepper

    joyomama: Yes. Matthews had on Charlie Crist (R), at least.

  • bryanfromhouston

    pourme,
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    I ask that question myself. Why aren’t the regular people on tv? I am going to do an ireport tonight for the first time ever. It is critical that the little people are heard from.
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    Find a real plumber, a farmer, a teacher, a laid-off construction worker, etc. Put THEM on TV! This Recovery and Reinvestment Act will determine their future….whether their house is foreclosed, whether they have a pot to piss in or even a chicken to boil in a pot. Real people need real help…both short-term and long-term!! They need health care, health prevention, bridges, roads, public works, etc. We are in a 1929 situation…and many of those folks, my grandparents lived off of jobs doing public works in an era where private enterprise did not have the ability to hire. Tax breaks or not!

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Why do my kids have to pay for YOUR poor health habits, President Chain Smoker?

    Same old libs.

    Do As I Say, Not As I Toke.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Obama’s on Tee Vee being his own best advocate again.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    Yes, everyday people — but even more so economic stakeholders a little further down the rung from Big 3 Auto CEO’s. A little further down the supply chain, please.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…We are in a 1929 situation…”

    No, we’re not.

    We’re in a deep recession that will last 2-3 years, like the early 80′s.

    Money is already coming back into the real estate market, and when people figure out they can’t make anything standing pat they’ve then got 2 choices: Invest in stocks, or invest in themselves.

    Building 1000 BRIDGES TO NOWHERE by laying cement for more dumb cars does zilch to promote the better transportation and fuel distribution systems we need — and this sinful, spastic spending spree will saddle out kids for the next 30 years, at least.

    If anything, build nuke plants. That will benefit the economy, national security, and the environment, and will be a firm bridge that all may stand upon as we develop cleaner and more efficient power.

    The other junk should be pushed down to the states for their funding and decisions — or simply scrapped altogether.

    Less IS more.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    hula — “Less IS more”
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    sounds great; you should try it

  • wvng

    In case JoeK is watching, I would love to see his response to this msm major newspaper foolishness that Benen just highlighted:
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    Here’s the latest complaint from the Washington Post editorial board.
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    “Today in The Post, President Obama challenges critics of the $900 billion stimulus plan that was taking shape on Capitol Hill yesterday, accusing them of peddling “the same failed theories that helped lead us into this crisis” and warning that, without immediate action, “Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.” A thinly veiled reference to Senate Republicans, this is a departure from his previous emphasis on bipartisanship.”
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    This is just so foolish. For weeks, congressional Republicans have stood in the way of an economic rescue package in the midst of a dangerous recession. The president has reached out in good faith, only to see the GOP slap his hand away. Republicans have engaged in a massive deception campaign, hoping to convince a drowning country to ignore the life-preserver the White House is desperate to throw.
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    But the moment the president notes that his critics’ ideas failed, the Washington Post editorial board finds it necessary to chide the president. It’s not “bipartisan” enough.

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    In case KT is reading this – the Post is acting just like the fools on cable. The problem is not just teevee – it’s the media in general.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    PS: Time-Jazeera has returned to blog censorship mode, again.

    Like they’re making enough new material on their own.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    wvng
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    The Washington Post is weak sauce and fears Rush Limbaugh just as much as John Boehner does. Why do you think they just hired Kristol?

  • bitterpill8

    I guess Joe is making an effort at “real” reporting and I am glad he is trending that way. My problem is with talking heads. The set up is primed for failure because being negative makes for better sound bites. As for the talking heads: where do they find these bimmen and bimbos? The best suggestion so far is for Team Obama to get the unemployed on tv. Let them call the gasbags and demand a say. Leaving it to Democrats in Congress is not enough. Those who are out of jobs should be mobilised.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    we need a Hooverville on the national mall!

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    And we need to update the name to replace Hoover; Boehnerville?

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    There are two parts to the package. One is immediate stimulus, the other is infrastructure, and long-term growth. I think everyone, left and right, can rally around Reason. Is there agreement on the stimulus part, or will the Right vote as a block, like sheep, against that part as well? If not get that out the door while they streamline and organize the rest?

  • sneezeguard

    The problem with bipartisanship here is that this is a problem without a significant middle ground position. Demorcats believe that govt. spending will turn the economy around, Republicans believe that tax cuts will. There’s really not much middle ground, so the best you can hope for is a bill with enough spending to appease Dem’s and enough cuts to appease Repubs, without enough cuts to tick off Dem’s and without enough spending to tick of Repubs. As you can guess, juggling those goals is proving pretty much impossible (which, it can be. If there’s no level of cuts and spending that can appease both parties than no amount of discussion will ever make that the case.)

  • bryanfromhouston

    hula,
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    Your arguments are as non-sensical at the Republicans. You say we’re only in a deep recession that will last 2 – 3 years. How do you know this? What is your empirical proof?
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    I can tell you what my statement was based upon. It was based upon research by Nouriel Roubini, Dr. Paul Krugman, Greg Mankiew, and Moody’s economist Mark Zandi. It is based upon the Case-Shiller index. It is based upon GDP trends, tax receipts and a comprehensive review of M1, M2, and M3 (when it was still being published. It is also based upon a review of the work of Satyajit Das, the world’s preeminent credit expert. Further, it is backed up by articles such as: http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/SuperModels/too-late-to-avoid-a-depression.aspx
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    I welcome a discussion of your premises backed up by experts, based upon numbers and drawn from observations on available government data. I can think of no less than 50 to back up my statements.

  • bitterpill8

    Derek: you used the wrong word “Reason”. It is all about “mindless opposition”.

  • bryanfromhouston

    sneezeguard,
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    Your synopsis was a thing of beauty. In that case, if I was Obama, I would go big. Put in as many tax cuts at the democrats can stand and that will bring along 4 or 5 republicans. Take out only the spending necessary to keep their votes and then force your party to follow your lead.
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    Heck! Half the democrats are there on Obama’s coattails in any event. And if Reid and Pelosi want to remain around and viable they will ride Obama’s tails as well.

  • shepherdwong

    “Obama comes to office needing to do three things–stimulate the economy, rebuild the infrastructure after thirty years of neglect, and reform (and refund) necessary government services.”
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    Um, let’s not forget a couple of small things like restoring faith in leadership in general and government, as well as restoring the lost moral authority of the nation. But, media elites overlooking the political for the policy,…carry on.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Just saw the President on TV – HOORAY! Then, not 10 seconds after he finished, scanned through CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, and FAUX and the savaging, lying, distortion, and the continued repetition of the same tired charges and failed ideas had resumed over the top without pause. This is SO frustrating!!!
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    What has to happen for the MSM to understand that we HAD an election, and the Republicans LOST – LOST BIG TIME – and we no longer CARE what they think???
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    How many Democrats were prominently interviewed – no, not just interviewed – had the entire media platform willingly handed over to them to say whatever they wanted, without challenge or rebuttal, during the Bush years?
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    Yeah – thought not.
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    YARR!!!

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    pirate wench
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    I just heard that Harry Reid is saying they have the votes now.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    “In 1993, I did a pretty shabby job of covering Bill Clinton’s economic plan. It was, in sum, a very good plan–it worked wonders for the economy–but I focused on the mishaps.”
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    I guess you think since Obama can man-up and admit his mistakes you can too? Unfortunately, you must have missed the part where he vowed not to make the same mistake again and well you — not so much.
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    Piecemeal won’t get it done no matter how many times Republicans, who by the way have been right about precious little since 1980, say it!
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    The greatness of this bill is that it takes a more holistic approach. You talk about jobs as if the only people who are out of work or need work are the big burly men of the construction trade (no offense to the few non-traditional women who wear hard hats, but you have to admit there’s not that many of you).
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    This bill funds programs that hires all kinds of people, including teachers of the music and art variety that have proven to raise test scores particularly in math and science – that’s a twofer. Increased funding in family planning,not only means a cost reduction in medical care and other safety net expenditures (that would be the 400 million saved), it also means increased production of contraceptives, those are assembly line jobs too and out reach conducted by medical assistants etc.
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    And the next time you let the GOP act as if tax breaks for Hollywood is somehow more unsavory than let say oil companies, remember that tax incentives makes it more likely that productions for films and television shows will done in the US rather than Canada or New Zealand. Tell your GOP friends to stop drooling over Lindsay Lohan and recognize that the are for electricians, carpenters, hairdressers, seamstresses and drivers too.
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    You admit that and your colleagues didn’t have the insight to see the benefit of the Clinton economic plan — what an understatement. You people are blind as bats because you haven’t had the vision to see the damage these GOP policies have been doing to this country for thirty years, now you want act as if you know best how to turn this stuff around. Please, could just find your way to the door already.
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    You and your colleagues are doing this. You’re trying to destroy the best chance our country has for recovery because you are too busy indulging your fetish for pit bull journalism.
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    Frankly, I wish the Media and the GOP would find their way to Michael Vick’s house and eat each other alive. At least the rest of could go about the work of puting our country back together without this constant tugging at our ankles.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Oh and the Democrats are kicking the sh*t out of the Rethugs today in the Senate. Its a wonderful thing to watch.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Schumer just put em all on blast. Said if they took all the things the Rethugs object to out they still wouldn’t vote for it. He is about to go off.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    SCOTUS Justice Ruth Ginsberg is hospitalized for pancreatic cancer

  • bryanfromhouston

    SCOTUS is hospialized. Wow, looks like it is time to get that other seat in Minnesota filled!!

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    C-Span Senate rules.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    TROOPS WELCOME OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TAKEOVER OF DOD…

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090205/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/army_suicides

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Schemer just put em all on blast. Said if they took all the things the Rethinks object to out they still wouldn’t vote for it. He is about to go off by running somebody’s credit report and blaming his staff.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.”

    Ahem.

    SINGLE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE STATEMENT IN U.S. PRESIDENTIAL ECONOMIC HISTORY.

    We’ve selected another clueless socialist CLOWN from the Chicago mob scum circuit to lead, and all he still knows is hyperventilating ACORN extremest BS.

    Some change, that one.

  • 53_3

    sg:
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    Yes, a lot of this stuff is small potatoes, but O has been wounded politically by this stuff at a time he needs to build political momentum for the things that come later.
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    Maybe I’m a bit too hard on Reid and Pelosi, but they should be trying to keep ducks like Obey in line. I’m willing to distribute some blame to Obey and a little less to the other two, but the separation of powers keeps Obama from really swinging any lumber here, so it is they that have to really get down in the trenches to get his bills passed in the manner he needs them passed.
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    It is pretty much appearances though. He’s getting distracted by getting caught on the rules and tax evasion issues with his appointments and he needs to realize that he has to accept that he can’t put facts on the ground and hope they blow over like he’s done with those three controversial appts (not counting Daschle et al).
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    hulagate:
    = QH GENERATED DISGUST ACCOMPLISHED =

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    SG– Let me start by saying oops, my bad, I owe you an apology, I was wrong and I hold my head down in shame. You do remember that whole McCain.Lieberman nexus I was pushing right?
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    Having said that hip hip hooray — as usual extremist do what they always do and that’s be extreme. I just think the GOP just fell into the Obama trap. Because now it’s Obama investment and recovery against the McCain stimulus package.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    53_3
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    Go look at any poll other than Rasmussen and that tells me that President Obama hasn’t been harmed at all. He hasn’t had a nominee not get voted in except for two that withdrew. Lilly Ledbetter and SCHIP passed which are major victories even if the MSM won’t pay attention to them. He has signed EOs to close GITMO and ban torture. Thats all in the first 15 days dawg. I think you are being played by the media a little. Harry Reid said they now have the votes for passage of the stimulus. Every big wingnut amendment has been voted down. How is President Obama harmed? Try to quantify it and then when you can’t I think you will see it my way.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Dee
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    Its all good. I know you were just trying to look on the bright side.

  • 53_3

    SG:
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    He’s done great as far as I’m concerned, but this last go-round with the stuff unrelated to stimulus (not GOP def), made the Dems in general look pretty bad at a time when we need as much political capital at all. The polls only tell part of the story, it’s what people are saying.
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    I’m not being played by the media, SG, I listen to whatt is being said by others around here and elsewhere. The brouhaha over creating the lobbyist rule and then doing wavers didn’t go over well, and the Daschle ruckus didn’t help. No the polls don’t show anything, but they will if Obama isn’t careful. My “advice” is anticipatory.
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    I have been hearing that Reid does, then doesn’t, then does, then they are going through it line by line, so who knows yet. It’s a hazy picture through all the smoke of debate the last few days.
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    I’ve been following what Obama has accomplished, and it’s great, but I don’t want to see anyone get complacent, and the lobbyist rules waivers followed by the Daschle thing have all the hallmarks of what could become complacency. He needs to avoid this at all costs.
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    He set very high standards for himself…

  • constantweader

    You’re still focussing on the small stuff, Joe — complaining about an op-ed piece — but you got the major point right. I don’t think it is possible, however, to fund a Lieberman-McCain buddy movie without including the third gringo, Loathsome Lindsey, who — much like you — is busy over at Fixed News railing that the President lacks leadership because he wrote an op-ed piece. Are you guys just upset because suddenly we have a literate President?

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • FlownOver

    Seems like somebody (I’m looking

  • FlownOver

    [Take Two}

    Seems like somebody (I'm looking at you, JK) is up past his bedtime and getting a little cranky.

  • poopsybythebay

    Thanks Joe for writing this post and thank you for admitting what happened in ’93. It takes a big man to admit it and that rarely happens with journalist today. Also, a little sanity in the “doom and gloom” Obama area especially with the cable news ditto heads. They all jump on the same tired themes and perpetuate them. It’s sad and old.

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    [...] But it passed, whatever it was, even if it was ugly. But it always is. Joe Klein explains: [...]

  • http://northstarchronicle.wordpress.com/2009/02/07/qod-joe-klein-on-obamas-working-with-congress/ QoD: Joe Klein on Obama’s Working with Congress « The Northstar Chronicle

    [...] -Joe Klein, 02.05.09 [...]

  • icepop16

    LMAO at much of this so called expert opinion. The loser doesn’t have a shred of decency.

    I think that Dee is actually Michael Vick’s pit bull on Ritalin.
    Go lick your nipples, lady and maybe you’ll get a taste of your own bitterness. LOL.

    If any of you lefties think that Obama has the best interests of this country at heart, I invite you to examine closely his worldwide speeches.Barry clearly is a Muslim with an agenda. And not the one you’ll like either.

    You keep dreaming and I’ll keep laughing at you.

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