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Please Go Away

Let’s leave aside the fact that if Dick Cheney and his alleged boss had been more vigilant–if they had listened to the Clinton appointees like Sandy Berger who warned about Al Qaeda, if they had paid attention to their own intelligence reports (notably the one on August 6, 2001)–the September 11 attacks might never have happened. Actually, I can’t leave that aside…but in any case, it is sleazy in the extreme for Cheney to predict another terrorist attack. For several reasons:

1. Some sort of terrorist attack is likely, eventually, no matter who is President.

2. Cheney has done here what the Bush Administration did throughout: he has politicized terror. If another attack happens, it’s Obama’s fault. Disgraceful… and ungrateful, since it’s only Obama’s mercy that stands between Cheney and a really serious war crimes investigation. Which leads to…

3. The means that Cheney has supported to combat terror in the past, especially “enhanced” interogation techniques, are quite probably illegal. He is criticizing the Obama administration for not being willing to defy international law.

4. Cheney’s track record of mismanagement in Iraq and Afghanistan–his sponsorship of Donald Rumsfeld, the worst Secretary of Defense in US history– disqualifies him from having any credible say on the security policies of his successor.

This is a man who should either be (a) scorned or (b) ignored.

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  • g_crush

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    JK: This is a man who should either be (a) scorned or (b) ignored.
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    Or (c) investigated, or (d) all of the above.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Call Central Casting.
    I think we’ve found the perfect candidate for that “Spawn of Satan” role!

  • Andy from MA

    Joe, I agree with grape crush. I am ambivalent about your post, because the post only perpetuates his exposure in the media. Part of me wishes you just ignored this.

  • kryptik1

    But if we don’t tear up the Geneva Conventions then….the TERRORISTS WIN.

    But god, seriously, from the week before the inauguration up to now, how many of these macho BS artists have we had to stand as far as lecturing about the dangers of being ‘unserious’ about terrorism, or how it’ll be all Obama’s fault if we’re attacked again, and how Bush’s policies have been vindicated time and time again.

    It’s rather sickening, the blindness they demonstrate, if only for their willingness to rely on force as not the last resort, nor the first resort, but the ONLY resort.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Any terrorist attack on the US would still do much, much less damage than the Bush Admin. Seriously, if we’d traded W and a draft pick for Osama Bin Laden and made him president…could we be any worse off?
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    Also, you forgot to mention the targeting of journalists for wiretapping…again.

  • queencersei

    W’s term didn’t begin until September 12th 2001. Didn’t you know that? Therefore nothing that happened in the time after Clinton left office through 9/11 is the Bush administration’s fault.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    It’s worse than that kryptik. The use of the word “resort” implies they have some goal they are trying to attain. It’s hard to believe, really, because it is so Orwellian as to be inconceivable in the real world, but they want the conflict for its own sake. Fear, for its own sake. The only way they can attain power is through fear, and demonization of their opponents. Iraq wasn’t about any foreign policy goal, at all. Just getting the US on a war footing, because Americans support their war presidents.

  • bobell

    It was hard for us radiclibs to suffer through eight years of Dubya without rooting for him to fail and go down as the worst president in American history. He deserved that for so many reasons — from his theft of the 2000 election to his obvious character flaws that made him utterly unsuited for his position — that it was hard sometimes not to forget that if he went down he’d take the whole country with him. So I rooted for his success even as I opposed almost everything he was doing, from his Iraq invasion to his ransacking of the public fisc.

    Much good did it do. Dubya is accounted the worst president ever, and our worst fears for the country have been realized.

    So is it any surprise that Dubya’s eminence grise sallies forth to try to lay off as much of the blame as he can on the new kid? Dubya leaves the country in the deepest hole it’s ever been in, but Obama hasn’t yet filled it back up, so it’s all the new guy’s fault, or will be. I know you saw it coming, Joe, and wrote about it. You were hardly alone.

    It’s easy to say that we get the government we deserve. We allowed Dubya to get close enough to the presidency in 2000 that he was able to steal it from Al Gore’s clutches, and then, with great help from Kerry’s bumbling, we gave him four more years to make things even worse. But did we really deserve *Dick Cheney*? It may take a generation to recover from all he did. Meanwhile, the least he could do is fade into the woodwork and give the new administration breathing room to undo the mess he made.

  • bitterpill8

    Cheney is a grade 111 a##hole. Today both the Guardian and The Independent reported that the US government threatens to cut off intelligence co-operation if evidence in a case of a former Guantanamo occupant is made public. The judges wrote a biting critique. At some point the question was: will the present Obama Admin back up the threat. That is a typical “Cheney” act. Maybe we should Cheney to an undisclosed location in Cuba!

  • queencersei

    bobell, this is situation normal. Didn’t you know that 9/11 was 100% Clinton’s fault?
    Accept no blame, never look back, always shift responsibility onto someone else.
    Whatever happend to the Republican’s being the pary of personal reponsibility?

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Astonishing. Graceless, deceitful, incapable of accepting responsibility, right up until the end. 9/11/01 was Clinton’s fault, and anything from 1/21/09 is Obama’s fault.
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    The man should die in a cell.
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    Write some columns about Nuremberg and Cheney, won’t you please, Joe?

  • billiecat

    g-crush: I’d say (c) arrested, but yeah, you got there first.

  • beccabyrd

    I think it’s likelier we’ll be more worried about the collapse of civil society than any terrorist attack. Bush-Cheney, abetted by the unholy specter of Reagan, did more damage to this country than did the filthy criminals of 9/11.

  • kathy

    what everybody said!
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    “go away” was my first thought, too.
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    Andy: Fortunately in this case, unfortunately from time to time, JK’s blog posts probably don’t constitute “media exposure.” But the story on the cable outlets this morning does. Very, very, tired of these guys.

  • plukasiak

    g_crush has the right idea — the problem is that the guy was VP of the United States, a position that is undeserving of being “scorned” or “ignored” absent the very public investigation and prosecution for his crimes.
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    JK thinks that such prosecutions would be a distraction — but as long as Cheney is not discredited through prosecution, he’ll be out there providing a “distraction” with statements like this. Its not a question, then, of whether there is a distraction, its just a question of whether Cheney gets to choose the distraction, or the Justice Department does it.

  • g_crush

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    billiecat: I’d say (c) arrested
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    Almost wrote that, but I’m under the impression that the days of incarceration without due process went out with the bush administration.
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    Dick has earned himself a thorough investigation and a great, big, showy OJ-Simpson-style trial…the murder trial, not the recent one.

  • g_crush

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    like the murder trial…Preview is mi amigo…

  • FlownOver

    Joe –

    I agree, as evidently do the otter commenters, with everything you say. The only question is this – did you just figure this out? I mean, talk about old news…
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    If you just needed some text around a link to the latest Cheney blasphemy you could have limited it to “Cheney still an @$$#0£€.”
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    The only remaining question is why Politico would give this criminal an extension on his soapbox lease.

  • truevcu

    Seriously, if we take any more of their advice we’ll be lucky if the nation’s still in one peice by the end of the year. Nevermind how absolutely discredited his ideas are, he and his had their chance to implement them. They failed. All he needs to do now is go home, sit down, and shut the #$%& up.

    http://trueblarg.wordpress.com/2009/02/04/just-die-already/

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    No Joke Line, Dick Cheney is a man who should be investigated prosecuted and punished but you don’t have the courage to say that. You won’t earn any brownie points by wagging your finger at Cheney when you and your Villager apologist crowd keep advocating for letting the sonuvab*tch walk free.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    USS COLE rings any bells, Say Joe?

    KHOBAR TOWERS perhaps?

    AFRICAN EMBASSIES?

    You are a LIAR: There were numerous WARNINGS throughout the summer of 2001, particularly around July 4th, as to the terror threat level being extremely high. Those warnings were issued by the BUSH administration, dipstick.

    You’re a disgrace, and a known liar.

    Get off the board, BOZO.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    PS: Skippy Obongo just nominated Ali Frankless to run the FBI.

  • oizydoizy

     
    This “man” is yelling fire in a crowded theater.
     
    He should be c) prosecuted.

  • Friar Tuck

    Try the whole lot of them, preferably at Nuremburg. I’m sure hulagate would be honored to be in the dock, too!

  • pintortwo

    Shorter Cheney:
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    With any luck, there’ll be another spectacular terrorist attack on US soil so we can get back in the game. Politico, please help us lay the groundwork for the “Blame the Dems” campaigns of ’10 and ’12.

  • southernbell49

    Great points, JK.

    I despire Cheney and he will never accept or understand that Bush and he endangered our country with their stupidity and blindness.

  • Cliff

    I choose (C) Investigated, because f–k mercy.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Time-Life-Cnn-Jazeera D.C. Branch Glossary for Sprung, er, Spring 2009

    APPEASEMENT: A softer version of concrete, popular in Palm Beach County and often found in the flimsy foundations of large, illegal, oh so evil American flag poles.

    BOAT PEOPLE: Quietly divorced white MisState Department lawyer diplomat guys, all involuntarily sleeping in the marina between Mount Vernon and Arlington off the GW Parkway (frequent party place for Secret Moliere Valerie Flame and her trusty side-kick Maddie Halfbright).

    CAMBODIA: Rest area off I-95 for Kerry family’s jointly owned and operated SUV, for private use en route to the next Belmont Stakes.

    DLC: Dorks Licking Communists. Humor apex around 1998, give or take a perjury trial.

    DNC: Dorks Nuzzling Communists. A tenure-heavy holdover from Howard Scream’s patriotic Aspen ski years (whenever he wasn’t away to bail Junior out of the Burlington city lock-up and/or country club liqueur cabinet). Not so popular of late with the Gore, Carter, and Fancy Leftosi frequent flier fight clubs.

    GLOBAL GUTTER: See GLOBAL VILLAGE.

    HOOFFINGTON POST: An extra-large Greek dildo (also see MRS. TED DANSON bios). Known for causing splinters, rash, and feminist itching in otherwise men.

    KLAN KERRY: Field entry in the third race at Belmont Park.

    NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN: Richard’s Chamberlain’s straighter, much older half-sister.

    NORAD: Airborne rodent removal service. Scheduled for liberal de-activation in 2009 to increase funding for new DayGlo Military Armor Research Laboratory & Skate Park, sponsored by Whole Sam & Ella Markets.

    PENTAGON: Early, five-piece failed rendition of The Monkees with Peter Crampton. Not to be confused with The Pentangle, or The Pent Up (Sean Penn’s boat house band).

    RESTON: Position assumed by legacy Democrat Party appeaseniks when anyone dares mention VICTORY or SUCCESS or MILITARY ACTION against Al Quedans or Baathists or Iranians or other Belgian subsidiaries.

    WEST POINT: Former future home of Hillary Clixon’s plotted American Davoz Centre for Lesbian Stem Cell Recovery. Valet parking (no tipping) provided by Wezzley Quark on non-soccer weekdays.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Joe Biden said Obongo would be tested, or just testy?

    WAIT, THIS JUST IN FROM MAVIS LETTERBOOB INC…

    Dateline, North Africa:

    “Mutterings of a quagmire from his own party today following severe American losses in initial forays with hardened German units have led some to speculate that charges of impeachment may soon be brought against President Roosevelt.

    ‘Hitler did not bomb us, Japan bombed us, so why are we at war with Germany?’ shouted Senator Hart Shanks (D, NY). ‘Bring the boys home, now!’

    Meanwhile, college campuses in the Midwest and feeling their first taste of live radio feeds to both of the left coasts demanded FDR re-instate Marxist social reforms, as the troops slogged through Tunisia. ‘We are wasting billions on this illegal war, caused by a duped Congress and a 3-term dictator hell bent on getting all social services removed for the sake of world freedom. Ludicrous!’ exclaimed Ben DeNova of Students For A Detonated Society.

    Congress seemed inclined to fence-sit, awaiting the outcome of the next major battle results before deciding which side to join in this escalating political street fight. ‘I’d like to think the President knew what he was getting us into after Pearl, but we’ve been at war for almost 2 years and we still haven’t reached Europe or Japan to any degree. I’m beginning to think Mr. Roosevelt has been mislead by his advisers, or mislead us deliberately, simply to get public minds off his Depression numbers.’

    Asked to comment, White House spokeschick Fawn Doo stated that the ‘President has heard these same complaints since before the war was initiated by Japan and Germany, never mind Churchill’s missed dire warnings from a full decade earlier, and we think that once the Japanese interment camps in California hit full capacity the tide will begin to swing our way, at least in the Congressional districts where our paid voters have been apt to accept anything as a unionized favor in the past. In the mean time he’s off to Canada’s beautiful Campobello Island once again to do whatever he do do.’

    More on this same network, after this word from Tokyo Rose.”

  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    “Hulagate, I am your father”
    - Darth Cheney

  • queencersei

    And yet it was Democratic leadership that brought down the Axis powers….

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Sorry Joe — but I would go even further than my pal SG — not only should you not get any brownie points for advocating we dismiss Cheney as the doddering old fool when this very act proves he should be held without bond in solitary confinement. But you should not be getting kudos unless you are also willing to acknowledge that you your colleagues have paved the way to this latest insurgency by insisting at framing everything in terms of the GOP mindset.
    .
    We have Democrats in charge of every branch of government and yet I’ve been listening to cable news for the last half hour and have yet to hear form one. But thank God for Kit Bond goes he hasn’t been a part of the Republican spectacular failure of the last 8 years.
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    Andrea categorizes things now as the post Tom Daschle era (implying coming clean) but it’s okay to accept Bond’s blatant lie that Clinton used the same kind of extraordianry rendition tactics as the Bush administration.
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    You want my respect call you colleagues out on that crap.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Dateline Damascus:

    We shrill, strident, supposedly academic liberals keep retro-yapping “We’re for the troops, just against their mission” (of seeking actual instead of pretend peace, and freedom, and schools, and soccer, and voting, and cellular networks, and open hospitals, and closed torture chambers).

    Proof? Why heck-fire, more than a Kennedy family cookout on Cape Crap for St. Drunkard’s Day!

    = We loon leftists spend 99.96% of our Pell Grantee time dragging up a 6-pack of misfit rednecks at Abooboo Grape, and state that’s the undeniable SOP for the greater U.S. military membership – but we’re really for the troops.

    = We claim Gitmo is a disgrace (never mind there were more suicides in San Fransisco last week than in all the terror scum brigs combined in the last 7 YEARS) – but we are still for the troops.

    = We say CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, CNN-Time-Turner, and Airhead Jizzera have every right to video-enable terrorism 24-7 with stunning HD clarity (soon involuntarily required by law in all non-cable rural venues) – but we are still for the rural troops.

    = The VA and Walter Reed indeed lack a host of specialty workers, medical to research to management, and we Do As I Tell, Not As I Do liberal hacks yet again refuse to serve, even there – but say we are still really almost for the troops.

    = Our whining, spoiled Blue State private ivy college campuses (that otherwise glibly accept all available federal funding) refuse to allow American Army recruiters near their $45,000-a-year tuition camels, for fear of upsetting the local tenure cart – but we are still just for the troops.

    = Hillary Clixon, Skimmy Edwards, and Obama Chavez aim high to split the Guard & Reserves politically if not socially and militarily from the regular armed forces – but we are still for the troops.

    = Fancy Leftosi requires a brand spanking new Air Force 757 to haul her skinny ass to DNC campaign events in Marin County, along with family & friends, while real real deal warrior families have to fly coach to West Germany to meet their field battled political media pawns – but we plead we are still always for the troops.

    We also have some fresh waterfront property in New Orleans you might like – if you still stupidly think that the loon left IS (or ever really was) for the troops.

    Smell you at the monthly whine & cheese MeetUp!

  • sacredh

    I do not want Bush or Cheney to go away. The longer they are in the public eye the longer we can hold them up as examples of what can happen when politicians of their ilk run the government. Secrecy, lies, secret prisons, torture, corporate America running wild, war under false pretenses, 4,000 American soldiers dead, our reputation in tatters…these are not things to forget. They should never fade away. Maybe we need them as a constant reminder of just how wrong things can get if we’re not vigilant.

  • textee

    Field Marshall Joe Klein: “if they had listened to the Clinton appointees like Sandy Berger who warned about Al Qaeda, if they had paid attention to their own intelligence reports (notably the one on August 6, 2001)–the September 11 attacks might never have happened.”

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    Good Lord, the Grand Poobah and High Priestess of Leftist Loonery (code name: Joe Klein) invokes the worthless, one and a half page, August 6, 2001, infantile Presidential Daily Briefing entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US” whose sole bits of “useful information” were two bogus claims: “that a group of Bin Laden supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives” and that there had been “recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.” You have to love Klein refering to the kook adored August 6, 2001 memo but conveniently failing to identify a single bit of useful information contained in it.

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    You also have to love Field Marshall Klein insisting that anyone from the thinking, pro-America community should have “listened” to a convicted thief and clueless Clinton appointee named Sandy “The Burglar” Berger. ROTFLMAO!!!

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    Tomorrow, expect Klein to write about Dick Cheney’s failure to stop crime in the United States after receiving the August 7, 2001 Daily Presidential Briefing entitled “Criminals determined to commit crimes in the US” and containing such useful information as: “many Democrats are determined to fail to pay their taxes and to claim their children’s summer camps as tax deductible business expenses (see: Geitner, Timothy).”

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Having problems dissecting Clinton Spiel from Obama Camp from Edwards Prattle from Cronkite Croaking? Here’s some help…

    Anti-War: Anti-victory, anti-military (particularly the United States military), anti-democracy, anti-Israel, anti-female education, anti-actual employment, anti-human marriage, anti-pay back your overdue college loan Bruce, anti-shoes, anti-baseline personal hygiene. Not to be confused with true peace and actual justice, at any moment in human history.

    Bigot: Any person that freely attends the church or temple of their choice.

    Blogger: If with former Senator Skimmy Edwards campaign? See BIGOT, above.

    BLT: Bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwich (may optionally use mutton for bacon, with similar results). Properly applied to lightly toasted sourdough bread with mayo, it is widely believed to be heaven on earth. May be the key to world peace, if not your own flame-throwing DNC political hack Global Gutter. See EGG SALAD on wheat, as an acceptable substitute if no sacrilegious celery is used.

    Diversity: More than one narcissistic Mommy or Daddy living in the same household. Also see MARIN COUNTY.

    Halfbright: Maddie (also see CRATER, JIM BOB).

    Hate speech: See DEAN, HOWARD.

    Homophobia: Safe, effective, politically incorrect antidote for heterophobia.

    Justice: Getting back to your Seattle luxury condo from the Earth 1st Soup & Salad MeetUp in time for the 4 o’clock CW re-run of Will & Grace.

    Mother Jones: Never heard of him.

    NOW: Flailing, fictional PBS series that affords PBS staffers the publicly funded PBS monies to pay the private PBS re-hab bills for their adult PBS stoner kids.

    Oral sex: Purely redundant Blue State massage obligation for post-graduate, pre-law license revocation studies.

    Oscar ceremony: When some guy named Oscar has a ceremony.

    Peace: Use of a special prosecutor or Human Lefts Watch lawyer to harass working Republicans.

    Penis: Allah’s worst invention, after the vagina.

    Petra Kelly: Last known leftist to hold an actual day job. Also see FRANCO, FRANCISCO and GERMANY, FORMER EAST for similar political results.

    Pinprick: Lowest common legal denominator for stellar 4-month liberal war hero’s GET ME HOME NOW, DADDY medal qualifiers.

    Sven Ifill Tower Records: Tall, empty, soul-less shell of a leftist archival media lieberry found in Paris, France, with a rather unreasonable facsimile version in Washington, DC. Publicly funded, less speaking fees.

    Ugly Truth: See GEFFEN, DAVID.

    Unilateral Surrender: Core DNA sample results from most American liberals of post-Truman appeasement era (also see KENNEDY, FONDA, HAYDEN, MCGOVERN, CASTRO, CHAVEZ, LETTERMAN, LENO, UNCLE HO for related details before purchase).

    More here soon!

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Proposed NORAD call signals for Fancy Leftosi’s new taxpayer-paid personal use Air Force jet (subject to next election bumping)…

    * Air Head One

    * Her Royal Flyness

    * Abortion On Demand Express

    * Not So Hot Tuna Tanker

    * Western Loon Gone Eastern Airlines

    * The Frisco Frisbee

    * One Big Ass Fuel Guzzling Hippiecrap Frequent Flier

    * Mrs. Mullah’s Strident Revenge

    * Flying Surrender Monkey

    * B-69

    * The Busy Beaver

    * Air Sickness

    * Co-President Biden Lite

    * Aunt Samantha

    * Cruneville Chambermaid Flight # 3,287 (and counting)

    * The Flaming Liberal Camel Humper

    * Vomit Comet

    * Air France

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    We’ll return to HILLARY HEARS A HORMONE after this special announcement from forever Senator Joseph Bidet…

    “My fella legacy Delawareanites, greetings to you both.

    As I’ve gazed upon the former slave ship infested waters off the Delmarvin peninsula, one has to wonder why I haven’t yet been elected President of the United French.

    Time and time again I have been re-elected in our largely invisible state by November seabirds from Vermont, and I wish you all the best on your return RV trip through Wilmington. Please enjoy our many 7-11 stores en route, and say hey to Habib and Punjab from all the DC staff’s condo cleaners in Lewes.

    Back to me.

    Hours and hours of toil in front of public television cameras, moist minutes screeching Senate hearings to a predictable taxpayer funded halt with my pseudo family chronicles and third party copyrighted works, all this and more I’ve offered to our nation, our world, our universe, our space quadrant, our black hole as it were.

    [Roscoe, fetch my slippers and a Xerox machine.]

    For in 2009 or so, we have to solve many problems not just of my making perhaps but also not of my viable solutions. We’ll consider all sides of any copper coin to be sure, and we’ll suck up fresh air time in the expensive process, but don’t you ever think or believe or say that Uncle Joe Bidet doesn’t yet have his succinct priorities straight, together, vested, aligned, well positioned, revved up, hip, and otherwise cool.

    Over yonder, we see the Washington Monument, source of our pride in NASA and feminist porn, though not to be out-done by the Jefferson Memorial where all those hot plantation babes are forever remembered for their often unkindled involuntary expressions in liberal society, and of course the FDR Memorial with his little peace dog Yalta. All inspiring, all white, all tight.

    Fashizzle, amen.”

  • queencersei

    Good Lord, the Grand Poobah and High Priestess of Leftist Loonery (code name: Joe Klein) invokes the worthless, one and a half page, August 6, 2001, infantile Presidential Daily Briefing entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US” whose sole bits of “useful information” were two bogus claims: “that a group of Bin Laden supporters was in the US planning attacks with explosives” and that there had been “recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.” You have to love Klein refering to the kook adored August 6, 2001 memo but conveniently failing to identify a single bit of useful information contained in it.

    And yet that is exactly what ended up happening isn’t it? Correctly named was the leader of the orginization planning the attack and the location of one of the attacks. Seems like a pretty damned accurate memo to me. Where was Bush in August 2001? Oh that is right, on vacation.

  • southernbell49

    I’ve been away for a bit and have to ask if Hulagate is the new Questionhillary.

  • pintortwo
  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “it’s okay to accept Bond’s blatant lie that Clinton used the same kind of extraordianry rendition tactics as the Bush administration”

    He did.

    It was just harder to notice, between BJ’s and hollowing out the Army, of course.

    Not that he did it with glee, or great impact.

  • pintortwo
  • davemc321

    As someone suggested earlier, maybe Cheney has evolved into Mr. Potter from “It’s A Wonderful Life.”

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Any more tax cheats booted out of Obongo’s alleged admin today?

    I’ve lost count.

  • mmchampion

    southernbell,
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    Hulagate = Obamish = QH
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    Interesting and insightful and informed when he’s on his meds. Off his meds…not so much.
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    It’s a real shame because he could contribute to the discussion but often resorts to rants that everyone scrolls past.

  • Cliff

    I’ve been away for a bit and have to ask if Hulagate is the new Questionhillary.
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    Sure is. And apparently completely oblivious to the humiliating defeat suffered by the Republicans last fall, too.

  • shepherdwong

    Now tell us why your conclusion shouldn’t apply to everyone who participated in giving is Iraq, torture, domestic spying, economic collapse and the widespread undermining of non-partisan, effective government replaced with whorish service of corporate interests. Yet the consistently, tragically-wrong “conservative” wing of the political world is still writing the public narrative that kills the country, gleefully propagated by your peers in the corporate media.
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    Seriously, Joe. Before we all go to hell in a handbasket at the hands of the GOP and the media, why don’t you do the story on the real problem.

  • geotom16

    Joe, you can at least take satisfaction in the knowledge that Cheney and Bush have to be very selective about where they travel abroad from now on. If they aren’t careful they could get nabbed by a foreign country and put on trial for war crimes. Under the umbrella of Universal jurisdiction that was used against Pinochet in 1998, judges can prosecute individuals for war crimes. A radical country with an agenda could easily pull such a stunt. That would assuredly give old Rush something to talk about.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    textee

    Jihad Joe’s just a bit miffed about all the Obongo legacy juice going down the IRS enforcement drain.

    Personally, I didn’t think it was possible to see such an uncoordinated kickoff as that of the Clixon regime change.

    Rahm Emanual should be fired, but of course that would require a useful decision by the new meesiah.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…the humiliating defeat suffered by the Republicans last fall…”

    Doing the right thing has never been humiliating, sorry Babs.

    [Lib loons would have voted for Stalin, if they thought he could carry anything outside of Cali and New Yuck.]

    BTW, how are the cabinet nominees going?

    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!

  • sacredh

    If marijuana is ever legalized, I’ll buy the trolls a bag myself. Seriously, all that rage isn’t the least bit healthy.

  • textee

    queencersei Says:
    Wednesday, February 4, 2009 at 1:30 pm

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    “And yet that is exactly what ended up happening isn’t it? Correctly named was the leader of the orginization planning the attack and the location of one of the attacks. Seems like a pretty damned accurate memo to me.”

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    queencersei:

    Evidently, you haven’t gotten the news. The terrorists did not use “explosives” as the comical August 6, 2001 memo warned. They flew what we call “airplanes”. They also did not attack “federal buildings in New York” as the comical August 6, 2001 memo warned. They attacked the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in a town called Washington, D.C. Nevertheless, congratulations. You are eminently qualified to write for Time magazine.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Yes, Cheney should go away, go directly to jail, do not collect $200 and take the entire national media corp with him. We need to start fresh and clean with citizen journalists, because doe the villagers its not enough to dig us further into the ditch, they want to shovel the dirt over our faces too.

  • queencersei

    Textee – I didn’t mention “explosives” in my rebuttle to your rant. I stuck with the fact which you yourself cited. The memo mentioned Obama by name and New York. Read more carefully next time.

  • gysgt213

    Its fun with hulagate talks to his alter ego textee. Brings back memories.

  • dunedweller

    Cheney Little (the sky is falling!) needs to STFU.
    .
    Does anyone else hear labored breathing and picture the human version of Chucky when they read hulagate’s comments?

  • deckerfamily03

    wow hula…you really don’t have much of a life if this is what you are spending all your time doing, do you? I don’t normally comment on any threads…but I’m just in such shock at the absolute anger and total disrespect you have for others opinions. It’s one thing to disagree, but to do so with such closed minded anger just really useless and idiotic.

  • 53_3

    Wow! What insanity! Even textee was feeling confrontational!
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    What was it, did hulagate and textee get into the phamaceuticals again?
    .
    Happens every once in a while, you know…

  • 53_3

    “Does anyone else hear labored breathing and picture the human version of Chucky when they read hulagate’s comments?”
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    Sorta wheezy, too, spluttery type stuff. Lots of ‘flem’…

  • 53_3

    It looks like Cheney fired up the base again.
    .
    Q: Do you know where the best place is to find the Republican base?
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    A: Look on the outside, below the lip of your toilet…

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Vice President Cheney empowered the free world, in the noble effort to protect the free and free the slaves of tyranny.

    Jihad Joke Klein empowers the rotating bar stool at the Springfield Trader Vic’s while waiting impatiently for his next Appletini at Happy Hour (AKA work).

    Try to know the difference, eh libs?

  • shepherdwong
  • Art Pepper

    I was thinking last night that in October ’08, if you said you were in favor of a troop reduction in Iraq, that meant you “supported U.S. surrender.” Yet in ’09 it’s suddenly conventional wisdom that there will be a large troop reduction in Iraq.
    -
    So why shouldn’t the conventional wisdom change on prosecuting Cheney?

  • beccabyrd

    Lordy, hulagate! Lay off the Viagra, already.

  • pearlybaker

    Cheney caught the anthrax terrorist, right?

  • Cliff

    BTW, how are the cabinet nominees going?
    .
    Pretty good, actually. I’m happy with Chu and Clinton and the Attorney General guy.

  • texgator

    This is all part of the Bush Legacy Project:

    Step 1. Grant ad nauseum interviews in waning days of Bush administration and early days of Obama administration reminding anyone that will listen that Bush has kept us safe for over 7 years. Punditocracy will love this and make smart observations like, “Gee that is longer than Obama has kept us safe. Let’s have a conservative on to tell us why Obama hasn’t been able to keep us safe for that long.”
    Step 2. Hope that the US is attacked by foreign terrorists during the Obama administration. If that happens (as Dick Cheney has said) go to Step 4. Otherwise continue to Step 3. Note: It must be foreign terrorists since everyone knows that homegrown terrorists are simply people whose only crime (aside from killing dozens of innocent people) is loving their country a little too much.
    Step 3. In the event that Step 2 does not happen simply wait for the inevitable foreign terrorist attack whether that happens in ten years or 30 years (again according to Cheney). As W. was always willing to tell anyone who criticized his policies “Be patient”. Note: It is preferrable that Step 3 happen in the lifetime of members of the Bush administration so that they can give “firsthand” accounts of the courage of W to ignore the polls (and the constitution!) and do what he knew was right for America.
    Step 4. Send Bush and surrogates out to point out how his policies, however unpopular, kept us safe for 7+ years and how innocent Americans would still be safe if only Obama hadn’t shut down Gitmo and ended “enhanced interrogations”. The punditocracy will love this and say things like, “I remember back when George W. Bush gave his great ‘Axis of Evil’ speech. If only we had listened to him then and nuked the entire Middle East (except for Israel) then we wouldn’t be experiencing this senseless violence.”
    Step 5. Watch as Americans embrace the greatness of George W. Bush and pass a constitutional amendment to have Roosevelt and Jefferson’s faces replace on Mt. Rushmore w/ Reagan and GWB’s.

  • tbrownmdiv

    Thanks Joe – here is where I think Dick should go – anywhere out of the country – and upon arrival he should be immediately arrested and charged with Crimes Against Humanity. He and his “boss” have certainly caused enough human carnage and death – they should both be put away for the rest of their lives.

  • hellslittlestangel

    “This is a man who should either be (a) scorned or (b) ignored.”

    No, the answer is (c) hanged by the neck until dead.*
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    .*after a fair trial, of course.

  • hellslittlestangel

    “This is a man who should either be (a) scorned or (b) ignored.”

    No, the answer is ( c) hanged by the neck until dead.*
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    .*after a fair trial, of course.

  • Friar Tuck

    .
    Is at time for another Judgment at Nuremberg? See for yourself!
    .
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/judcont.asp
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    I understand that Judy Garland played hulagate in the movie version.
    .
    (Seriously, this is a worthwhile site).

  • dougom

    Joe, you’ve been in the political reporting game for a while. Why don’t you prevail upon your friends in the biz to either stop paying attention to Cheney, or heap scorn on his malarky should they interview him? You could also go on TV programs–I don’t know how often you get invited, but again, you might call on your acquaintances in the biz–and repeat your simple (and indeed almost inarguable) point.

    So, how’s about it?

  • truevcu

    *looks over preceding comments*

    *backs away very, very slowly*

  • newsfatigue

    Exactly, Joe. The first thing I thought when I read Politico this morning is: Why isn’t Bush to blame for 9/11? Why isn’t Blair to blame for 7/7?
    .
    As someone who has lived abroad, I realize that terrorist attacks, like crime, are a fact of life. Get a grip, Dick.
    .
    To listen to Cheney you would think that Obama was about to release all prisoners being held at Guantanamo. Obama is such a Constitution-lovin’ liberal! Grrr. And he works in his shirt sleeves in the Oval Office!!! How dare he! Grrrr.
    .
    Instead, all Obama wants to do is give Guantanamo prisoners due process. Cheney is to blame for confessions that can’t be used in a court of law because they were obtained by torture.
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    If there is any place on the planet where I can go to get away from Cheney, please let me know. Haven’t I suffered enough of his arrogance for the past eight years?

  • ilikechips

    Good lord. It’s always entertaining to check out this liberal site full of Bush Deranged Loony libtards..Yes, Cheney and Bush were so evil to keep us safe for the last 7 years. Same old ‘blame america first idiots’ here. They probably think the 500k cap on executive pay is a good idea too. Idiot Obama is shooting for poll numbers instead of doing whats right. Our brightest top executives will continue to be poached by foreign companies willing to pay for them.

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  • leebot

    Or

    c) Give the man a tin-foil hat.

  • cfukara

    To which Dick Cheney, the patron saint of torturers, would shrug his shoulders, look JK straight in the eye and say, “SO?”

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  • mstephenson99

    Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. The great and powerful Oz has spoken.
    Humbug; it’s a word from another time but you should use it. We use harsher words now but humbug is just right to sum up the core of Dick Cheney.
    Humbug is what people with common sense say as they listen to the snake oil salesman. But put a con man in the shadows. Have him mutter dark predictions of a vague doom, and common sense turns to dread. Cheney’s never been about being right. He’s all about the snake oil.

    Rarely right and never brave, Cheney missed Vietnam because he was busy. He missed the 9/11 attack because he was too busy conversing and conferring with Ken Lay and the rest of his snake oil wizards. He missed that there were no weapons of mass destruction, that we would not be greeted with flowers in Iraq, and that torture would not shame us. Or are we being to kind to give him the benefit of the doubt to say that he didn’t understand? Maybe he did and it didn’t matter.

    Snake oil salesman are persistent. Keep saying the same things. Somebody new believes you every day. The world is coming to an end, and I have salvation in my pocket. To which the American people in their common wisdom haver said humbug.

    When you watch Cheney climb up on the back of the wagon and start his pitch, watch his eyes. They say: Never give a sucker an even break and there’s one born every minute.

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