Replacing Tom Daschle

Now that the former Senate Majority Leader has withdrawn his nomination to become Health and Human Services Secretary, speculation in Washington turns to who might take the job–two jobs, actually, if you count the newly created White House post for health care reform.

What we know of Barack Obama in situations such as these is that he is willing to make an unconventional choice. Who would have predicted him naming New Hampshire Republican Senator Judd Gregg to be Commerce Secretary, when his pick of Bill Richardson fell through? So I’ve got an out-of-the-box suggestion that he might consider. My suggested nominee is a proven problem-solver on the health care issue, who has shown that he is willing to invest whatever political capital it takes to get the job done. Someone who has shown that, on this issue, he can work pragmatically across party lines. Someone who has partnered with Senator Edward M. Kennedy, the chairman of the Senate health committee, on a plan. In fact, he’s the only person in America who has ever put together and passed a universal health care program.

That man: Mitt Romney.

UPDATE: Marc Ambinder likes my idea. Jonathan Cohn steps even further out of the box.

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  • queencersei

    Richard Simmons. There is no other choice.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Lord knows Romney won’t need to be vetted on his taxes, at least.

  • Karen Tumulty

    assuming, of course, that he doesn’t have any tax problems.

  • Karen Tumulty

    also, he can afford his own car and driver.

  • btmorex

    Please god no. I think a romney appointment is one of the few things that could sour my opinion of obama (at this point).

    Also, Romney didn’t put together massachusett’s health plan; the mass state senate did.

  • southernbell49

    If depends on which Mitt we get: the one who was governor of MA or the candidate who just ran for the presidency.

    But he does have very nice hair.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    What about Joe The Plumber? He’s not likely to have domestic help issues.

  • queencersei

    Romney wouldn’t take the job anyway. He still harbors ideas of being President. The GOP base is leery enough of Romney as it is without him joining up with their arch enemies. Independents and liberals might be more accepting. But the hard core GOP base doesn’t roll that way.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Here’s an idea:

    SHUT DOWN THE AGENCY, and pass the savings (and burden) on to the states where it belongs.

    Why, dearest Aunt Samanthites, do my kids have to pay for some fat slacker in Sausalito, or the elder opeditors in Trader Vic’s for that matter?

    We don’t need universal anything, except for PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

    If you class warfare clowns must have a program to pet, how about one that simply covers ages 0-12 at 100%, then everyone else IS on their own?

    Obama actually proposed something along those lines, way back in Waukeegan or Wichita or Maui Wowee or someplace he spent Time for five seconds before day tripping on to the next meatheaded Meet Up.

    My family annual insurance deductible (in the real world, not in the comfy confines of the Beltway) is $12k per year. Somebody pretty much has to croak before the benefits kick in — and yet the rates keep going up, for lousier and lousier coverage. But it is better than living in Bangladesh or Baltimore I suppose.

    If we’re really going to make some headway on the health issue, we need to start early, not late stage.

    Those of you in the AARP union that whine on cue for the slacker cause may not like it, but nobody said early retirement was fair, eh ex-Senators?

    Move On indeed.

  • Karen Tumulty

    btmorex: please read my story on that subject, linked above. kennedy’s folks give romney enormous credit, as does bob blendon at harvard and jonathan gruber at mit, who worked on it and worked with the democratic presidential contenders, too.
    .
    “He was incredibly impressive, with his intellect, his ability,” says MIT economics professor Jonathan Gruber, a Democrat who advised Romney and who has since had a hand in the Massachusetts-style health-care plans put forward this year by Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards. “If there is anything that qualifies him to be President of the United States, it is his leadership on this issue.”

  • rebecca74

    No thank you Karen. Mitt Romney is not trustworthy. And I very much doubt he cares about universal healthcare. I say Elizabeth Edwards assuming she has her taxes and husband in order.

  • http://www.simonvinkenoog.nl/beeld/Yogi%20-%20Annelies%20Rigter.jpg yogi

    How about the Cookie Monster….errr…Cauliflower Monster, because C is for comprehensive healthcare reform, and comprehensive healthcare reform is good enough for me.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    .
    (Laughing and pointing at K Tizzle)
    .
    Oh that’s rich
    .
    Why not the Governator Karen? I mean he is “serious” about universal healthcare too right?
    .
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    .
    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • stuartzechman

    KT:
    .
    Could Mitt Romney be counted on not to sabotage his boss?
    .
    If so, then I’d consider the idea.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “I say Elizabeth Edwards assuming she has her taxes and husband in order.”

    Why yes, why didn’t I think of that.

    They can go all tag team and close down the rest of the rural OB-GYNs that they haven’t already sued into submission via the firm of Stella & Artwat.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    http://www.breitbart.tv/html/271573.html

    … … …
    … … …

    JOE BIDEN, BOOB.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Did David Broder hack (ahem) Karen’s account?

  • davemc321

    My, KT, you do like to throw raw meat to the lions, don’t you?

  • Karen Tumulty

    SZ: That’s the whole idea. If Obama fails at this, Romney does too. Just thinking out of the box, guys. Then again, Obama didn’t go with my idea of Jack Reed for VP…

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “Could Mitt Romney be counted on not to sabotage his boss?”
    __________________________________________________________

    Oh, I think Mitt likes Hillary enough.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Howard Dean would be a better choice.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    LOL if Obama fails Romney fails? In what universe? If Obama fails, he gets packing, whichever Rethug wins keeps Romney on as HHS or elevates him to treasury or something. Hell if anything that would be a win win for Romney.

  • Cliff

    I know what this is. This is KT tweaking the commenters. She was all, “Man, those guys have really been pissing me off lately. I know, I’ll talk about Mitt Romney!”

  • Karen Tumulty

    davemc: just wanted to see if anyone is awake this afternoon.

  • ademption

    Sorry Karen, but I didn’t vote for President Obama to have Republicans dominate his Cabinet. Why is it that Democrats were elected with nearly a supermajority yet we Democrats are urged by the Beltway crowd to accept all of these Republicans for Cabinet posts as well as dominate the Republican’s views on the stimulus package. Again, if I wanted Republicans to run the Executive Branch, then I would have voted for John McCain. It is simply unacceptable for Obama to pick ANY Republican to run a Cabinet post as vital as HHS. UNACCEPTABLE!!

  • btmorex

    KT: I consider that piece extremely one sided. It makes romney look like some kind of knight in shining armor. He didn’t have a choice. Some form of universal health coverage was going to pass with or without his support (veto proof majority). So, he got on board and made a plan a little bit more republican than it would have been otherwise.

  • Karen Tumulty

    ademption: romney’s problem was he couldn’t convince the republicans that he is a republican.

  • mccainfluffer

    Michael Scherer? Are you posting on Karen’s account?

    The most obvious Republican choice would be Dr. Bill Frist. After all, we was able to diagnose Terry Shiavo via video feed!

    By the way, I am not expecting any villagers to make the case for Dr. Howard Dean – another executive who has the experience getting a health care package passed.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “Obama didn’t go with my idea of Jack Reed for VP”

    _________________________

    He went with jack something else, to be sure.

  • Friar Tuck

    K_Teezie,
    .
    You’re hallucinating. I want you to stop what you’re doing, and stand very still. Look around. Do you see sonething that looks like a chair? Walk toward it, slowly. Make sure it’s not moving. Real chairs don’t move. OK. Sit down.
    .
    I’ll check back in one hour.

  • Karen Tumulty

    btmorex: that’s not true. dukakis tried to do it and failed miserably. i did a lot of reporting on that story, talking to a lot of people (democrats, especially) who were there for the whole thing. including teddy kennedy’s folks, who were really effusive in their praise. with the exception of his critics in the legislature, they all give romney credit for putting the issue front and center and then for getting it through.

  • greenlyfe

    Candidate Romney decried his single great accomplishment in MA and said he wouldn’t do it on a national level. Plus, I wouldn’t trust the guy not to knife the president in the back. What ever happened to Democrats appointing democrats to fulfill democratic campaign pledges?

  • stuartzechman

    Oh, I think Mitt likes Hillary enough.
    .
    That’s funny, QH (honestly, no snark)!
    .
    LOL!

  • dunedweller

    “Why not the Governator Karen?”
    .
    @sgw – That’s MORE than rich. He’s a nightmare! Did you hear he’ll be issuing i.o.u.s on CA state tax returns this year? He needs to be taken out by a cyborg or something…

  • stuartzechman

    Sorry Karen, but I didn’t vote for President Obama to have Republicans dominate his Cabinet.
    .
    ademption:
    .
    Actually, I voted for Obama so that we’d have a shot in hell of getting universal coverage. If Romney could get that implemented, then I honestly don’t care.
    .
    Seriously, it would probably be better in that respect than Daschle.

  • stuartzechman

    SZ: That’s the whole idea. If Obama fails at this, Romney does too…
    .
    KT:
    .
    Hmmm…

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    K Tizzle
    .
    I am just wondering, who if anybody do you think Ted Kennedy would criticize for trying to do universal healthcare no matter how flawed it was in concept??? Have you heard him criticize ANYBODY who proposed universal healthcare for their state? Do you believe that all of those proposals were sound? Lets try putting two and two together here. Man I just wonder how long it takes for journalists to change their mind about an issue or a person unless someone else tells them to.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “Oh, I think Mitt likes Hillary enough.”

    I thought you might enjoy That One.

    [I'll also be appearing at the Tom Dashole Ramada Inn & Casino in Tunica from February 29th through the 31st.]

  • dunedweller

    My vote > Dean

  • Karen Tumulty

    Read my story, sg.
    .
    teddy and mitt worked together very closely, even though mitt had run against him. it wasn’t just what he SAID about it; it’s what they got done together. they went to tommy thompson together and got the waivers they needed. teddy made his first speech ever on the floor of the mass legislature to save the bill when the legislature was on the verge of killing it. it’s all in my story.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Romney’s website doesn’t make it easy to find out much about his health care plan. If you go to the website, click on “Issue Watch,” and then “Health Care,” you find a paltry selection of information. It begins with this one sentence vague policy summary:

    “The health of our nation can be improved by extending health insurance to all Americans, not through a government program or new taxes, but through market reforms.”
    http://www.dmiblog.com/archives/2008/01/where_do_the_candidates_stand_16.html
    .
    Perhaps a more serious post on potential nominees would be helpful.

  • palininatowel

    The only problem is that most Republicans in Washington don’t like Romney. So I’m not sure what Obama would gain by putting the Mittster in chare.
    .
    I heard hula is available. Might keep him from spamming here.
    .
    Just a thought…

  • davemc321

    KT, you were smart to first step quickly out of the cage.

  • davemc321

    Hula, should I order the veal?

  • Friar Tuck

    P-NNTO,
    .
    Which release of MITTRON made the statement? XP wasn’t so bad, but the Vista version? Oy.

  • Karen Tumulty

    SG:
    .
    Bob Blendon at Harvard (and no conservative) on Romney:
    .
    In November 2004, nearly two years after his meeting with Stemberg, Romney was finally ready to go public with the beginnings of a plan. As it evolved, it became a proposal to achieve an end that liberals had long dreamed of, but through conservative means: creating more competition in the private-insurance marketplace and insisting that Massachusetts citizens take personal responsibility for their own coverage. “From the minute you heard him articulate it, you knew this was a new concept in American health-care policy,” says Robert Blendon, a Harvard University professor of health policy. “It was a very different way of talking about coverage, and he was very articulate in framing it.”
    .
    By the way, the plans that all the leading Democratic candidates put forward last year took a very similar approach.

  • southernbell49

    KT, I just read your story and thought it was very good.

    I wish Obama had just focused on the “tone” of Washington when he was running and not “ethics” because I do agree a lot of very competent, qualified people might find it harder to get through the vetting and process and then approved by Congress.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Ha Friar-let us just say a more current version than the one KT is selling.

  • stuartzechman

    I should make it clear that my first choice would be Dr. Howard Dean.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Romney, like most senior Republicans, can’t be bought; he simply doesn’t need the action.

    The problem with the dems, as we’ve seen this week, IS that they can ALL be bought. Including those with plenty of Indonesia dough tucked away at the Lieberry.

    Who leads what doesn’t much matter, because (like Billary) Obama has over-promised and won’t be able to deliver on much of anything; Reagan, God bless him, was smart enough to keep things to a strict list, and then get them accomplished.

    President-select Skippy should spend a little less Time reading about FDR (the most over-rated POTUS in history) and Lincoln (he, like FDR, put the Constitution away during war time — and he didn’t need the ACLU to tell him to do it), and a little more effort into vetting his doofus cabinet members, before his legacy is lost by May Day.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “I should make it clear that my first choice would be Dr. Howard Dean.”

    Howard WE SHOULD INAVDE IRAN Scream?

    Those hearings would be more fun than a Mall mob hemp trash heap!

  • ademption

    Karen, I could care less what other Republicans say about Romney. Romney is a Republican and holds a typical Republican’s views about healthcare including promoting the idea of health savings accounts and other nonsense to combat our healthcare crisis.

    What would be the point of having him at HHS anyway? It might be a thought if he had the connections of a Daschle. But he doesn’t have any street cred from the senators to get this through Congress. He would be a complete Washington outsider with no ties to Democrats or frankly Republicans. He doesn’t know the legislative process in Washington. What benefit would he even be to an Obama administration anyway? Just so that Obama can demonstrate that he’s bipartisan? I think that Obama has more than demonstrated that already. He’s hit the Republican quota for his Cabinet. Enough’s enough with this bipartisan posture. Again, I didn’t vote for Obama to have his Cabinet dominated by Republicans. There are important policy differences between Republicans and Democrats with regard to healthcare policy and I don’t want these differences papered over when it comes to HHS Secretary. Some issues are just too important for that….

  • Karen Tumulty

    ademption:
    .
    i wasn’t quoting republicans there. i was quoting democrats, including the ones who advised last year’s democratic presidential candidates on their own plans. also, last i looked, ted kennedy is not a republican.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    K Tizzle
    .
    You asked me to read your story and I did. I would say about 80 percent of it is Romney and his cronies self felating themselves but I did find some really relevant parts to this discussion.
    .

    On a Sunday morning in February 2006, Romney personally taped handwritten notes to the doors of senate president Robert Travaglini and house speaker Salvatore DiMasi, begging them not to let this opportunity die. The speaker, for one, wasn’t impressed. “A cheap publicity stunt,” DiMasi says.

    .
    snip
    .

    The bill that emerged from the legislature two weeks later was different in many respects from what Romney had initially proposed. It increased reimbursement for hospitals, which Romney liked, but added more people to the Medicaid rolls, which he didn’t. There were far too many requirements placed on insurance companies for Romney’s tastes, and he used his line-item veto on the bill’s stipulation that employers who don’t cover their workers pay $295 per employee each year into a fund to subsidize coverage. The lawmakers easily overrode it, as Romney surely knew they would. “He was trying to protect his own political position for the future, as opposed to creating a substantive policy,” DiMasi says, still irked by what he considers Romney’s grandstand play to the GOP base. “He knew full well he was running for President of the United States.

    .
    Now imagine that, the Speaker of the House says Romney was just doing political grandstanding for his own future. Kinda the same thing many of us said about the Governator. But NAHHHHHH I mean Ted Kennedy couldn’t have been taken for a fool just because he really longed for universal healthcare……..could he?

  • dunedweller

    KT, I thought your article was very good too. It did shine light on a different side of Romney that I didn’t know existed – using his sharp biz skills for the greater good – but in the end, it sounds like he caved and didn’t learn a thing from his part in the accomplishment.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “Hula, should I order the veal?”

    … … …

    Try the fat breaded catfish.

    Ask for the Bill Clinton Special.

    Also try the fat breaded catfish.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Jesus Christ. That’s the worst idea I’ve heard yet.
    .
    Really KT how cynical are you? This shouldn’t be some kind of political gimmick or coup. This person needs to KNOW SOMETHING about health services and public health. He’ll be appointing people to head up the CDC, the EIS, MCH bureau. Responsible for medicare and medicaid services. The FDA. HRSA. The NIH network. Aging. Mental health. We’ve just lived through 8 years of incompetent crony-laden politically-motivated administration, and you think this is a splendid idea?
    .
    God you political journos are truly, truly poison.
    .

  • trifecta55

    Republicans loathe Romney. He is oily, and dishonest. I do agree with KT that he is intelligent. That often is a drawback in Palin land.
    .
    He was willing to sell out every moderate impulse he ever had to win the nomination. Why would anybody on either side trust him?

  • jcapan

    I’m for Dean, as I was in ’04 before we nominated another doofus with pretty hair.
    ~
    To paraphrase KT, “[Romnoid's] problem was he couldn’t convince the republicans that he is a republican.” No, b/c I’d say the same was true of Mac according to a few GOP players I know quite well. His problems were A) He came across as genuine as a plastic love-bot and B) He’s the member of a cult
    ~
    But, hey what a surprise that a centrist/estab. MSM operative supports post-partisan Donkey-on-Elephant cabinet.
    ~
    Or, again, to let the light of, ummm, reality in the door, we could choose to talk more about this:
    ~
    REP. BARNEY FRANK: The largest spending bill in history is going to turn out to be the war in Iraq. And one of the things, if we’re going to talk about spending, I don’t—I have a problem when we leave out that extraordinarily expensive, damaging war in Iraq, which has caused much more harm than good, in my judgment. And I don’t understand why, from some of my conservative friends, building a road, building a school, helping somebody get healthcare, that’s wasteful spending, but that war in Iraq, which is going to cost us over a trillion dollars before we’re through—yeah, I wish we hadn’t have done that. We’d have been in a lot better shape fiscally.
    ~
    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: That is a whole ‘nother show, so I’m going to—
    ~
    REP. BARNEY FRANK: That’s the problem. The problem is that we look at spending and say, “Oh, don’t spend on highways. Don’t spend on healthcare. But let’s build Cold War weapons to defeat the Soviet Union when we don’t need them. Let’s have hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars going to the military without a check.” Unless everything’s on the table, then you’re going to have a disproportionate hit in some places.

  • Karen Tumulty

    sg:
    .
    dimasi doesn’t have an axe to grind? read the quotes from blendon and gruber, both of whom have impeccable liberal credentials on health care reform. look at what he did with kennedy. romney got it done, compromised where he needed to (and signed the bill even though it was not entirely what he wanted). most importantly, he came up with an approach that the democrats have since copied.
    .
    what i never understood is why THAT romney didn’t run for president.

  • highkey70

    MONSTER.com
    - Looking for a Democrat that pays taxes and doesn’t get paid too much by the Health care industry

    The search may be a long-term endeavor, but we will persevere.

    Bama

  • sqr1

    Well, Mark “Hula” Halperin has made his feelings known.

  • pippapippa

    Romney and his fellow Republicans have had 8 years to do some good for the country, and they didn’t bother. They wasted billions on a futile, destructive war. The voters had a choice– go with the Republicans again, or go with Democrats.

    The voters did not vote for a coalition government, especially did not vote to trust our health care with someone who has no loyalty to the president and no record– no matter what your little article says– of choosing to promote health care for all. He has often declared his shame for having governor of Massachusetts because it’s too liberal for him. He was forced into the health care bill, and the reasons everyone is grateful have more to do with his just getting out of the way and not completely sabotaging it.

    Karen, do you really think putting a failed Republican into office is in and of itself worthwhile? There are many, many Democrats who have no need to sabotage the president who would do a better job.

    Bipartisanship is not a virtue in itself, or heck, Bush and Cheney would have done it, right?

  • jcapan

    However, I wonder what Barney F. would say re: Greenwald’s post today. Wouldn’t it be grand if what he savages above were to be challenged by our new admin.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    Romney? Lord. Did he hurt you? Because if he did, I know a guy.

  • notfooledbydistractions

    Is this The Onion?

    No just no, but hell no. Talk about a slick-headed Judas.

  • Paul-no not that one

    It’s all just a game isn’t it? KT going to the wall for Romeny is just an afternoon killer.
    First the scalp went up and now this.

  • pippapippa

    Paul, I would just like to thank you for doing what KT refuses to do here and take this seriously. You went to Mitt’s website and found that he is not for the sort of health program MA has or Obama has proposed– or most of us want. You found it in his own words. I know it didn’t take too long, but that’s better reporting than Karen has done. I appreciate it!

  • Paul-no not that one

    It’s all just a game isn’t it? KT going to the wall for Romney is just an afternoon killer.
    First the scalp went on the wall and now this silliness.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Sorry for the sort of double post. My error.

  • sqr1

    Part of the problem is that most media types have little to no executive experience themselves. They don’t understand that governing isn’t rocket science, but it isn’t a complete joke either.
    .
    If you want something done right then you have to set tangible goals and then find people who both believe in the goals and have the competence to execute.
    .
    Does Romney share Obama’s vision for health care? You know, that might be the first thing that one would ask when considering candidates for the position. Instead, the media, can never be bothered to address the merits of anything. Its always “What’s the politics of this? Romney’s ‘out of the box’? Great idea!”

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    K Tizzle
    .
    Of course she does, BECAUSE HE WASN’T SERIOUS ABOUT THE FRIKKIN BILL! I mean seriously, you take the word of people who didn’t have to work with Romney to run the state over the person who probably interacted with him a helluva lot more. Not because the other people are more credible or you wouldn’t have put Dimasi’s words in your story to begin with. No its because you have this fantasized view of who Mitt is based on a conversation with Ted Kennedy and another some other “liberal” thinker who didn’t work with the guy on a regular basis. So in your world Romney “wasn’t the same Romney” when he ran for President much like in AMC’s world McCain “wasn’t the same McCain” when HE ran for President. Unfortunately in both of your cases both men were in fact the same, the problem is neither of you saw that UNTIL they ran for President. And you will continue to feel that way because you have this absolutism about you Karen which says you can’t be wrong. But if you actually take the time to rethink the situation, look at the facts AND look at the results you would be hard pressed to defend Romney and you want to know why? Because there is no way in the hell a man with one drop of pride or courage would EVER work as hard as you THINK he did to get universal healthcare passed only to sabotage his own cause to run for President when it was OBVIOUS that he wanted to run for President all along. Just like the Governator making headlines when he promises HIS plan for universal healthcare but vetoeing it when the Democrats pass THEIR plan 3 seperate times in the California legislature.
    .
    I wonder what more Romney, McCain or the Governator would have to do to make you and the other Villagers see that THEY never changed, only YOUR perspective did

  • gysgt213

    KT says- “That’s the whole idea. If Obama fails at this, Romney does too. Just thinking out of the box, guys.”
    .
    What? Why would you make a statement like that KT? Listen, I’m not for Romney getting the job. But even if he some how does get it. Why would you point out the failure aspect of this? I don’t get it people are really hurting out here and this is your idea of thinking out of the box.

  • Karen Tumulty

    sg: gruber and teddy worked very closely with him.
    .
    sqrl: he INVENTED obama’s vision for health care.

  • bitterpill8

    Shocking, isn’t it, that we seem to have to rely on a 4th Republican to help Obama out on The Daschle mess. Really, in a nation of 300m we can’t find a HHS Secretary. Dr Dean is not being considered because he is uncompromising. Daschle was considered because he was one of the first to support Pres Obama. Really, what is with us Democrats?

    Pres Obama had better get his act together. From everything I see and hear the Republicans are controlling the MSM debate. The Democrats are a bunch of weenies.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    By the way Governer Crist is on Hardball promoting President Obama’s stimulus plan. Where is kat813 when ya need him?

  • donovong

    Contrary to popular opinion, I heartily commend KT for thinking out of the box.

    That being said, please put it back in the box. Romney? Oy.

  • atsegga

    The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.

    $30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
    $550 billion: U.S. Defense budget

  • sqr1

    stuartzechman:

    Actually, I voted for Obama so that we’d have a shot in hell of getting universal coverage. If Romney could get that implemented, then I honestly don’t care.

    Mitt Romney:

    “The health of our nation can be improved by extending health insurance to all Americans, not through a government program or new taxes, but through market reforms.”

    Mitt Romney on SCHIP:

    “I agree with the President [Bush] that this legislation – while well intentioned – took the wrong approach. The Democrat [note wingnut grammar] SCHIP expansion bill would take children out of private insurance and put them into government insurance. It was a flawed approach. The right course is to get all children and all citizens insured with private, market-based health insurance.”

    .
    Again, if Obama wants universal health care, I would strongly suggest that he begin by surrounding himself with those of similar views.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    K Tizzle
    .
    Just like this morning you are beginning to sound like a broken record. I am sure next you will say “what would you say if George Bush had done it”? Normally when you are surer of yourself you give a lot more in depth rebuttals. Hmmmm

  • stuartzechman

    sqr1:
    .
    All noted, all true, point conceded.
    .
    My dalliance with the consideration of Romney begins and ends with his experience actually implementing a program.
    .
    If Romney were to be put to work implementing a universal coverage scheme, and his prior experience was valuable in that regard, then I could give a rat’s ass what he campaigned on in his lunatic party’s primaries.
    .
    Can anyone truly disagree with that proposition?

  • healthaccess

    Mayor Gavin Newsom of San Francisco gets the title of the only American to preside over the establishment of universal access to health coverage.

    Governor Romney deserves some credit for his part of the Massachusetts plan, but he really can’t take full credit when he vetoed parts of it, which were then over-ridden by the Democratic Legislature. Not something he could get away with in DC.

    –Anthony Wright

  • wvng

    We may not know if Romney has tax problems (my bet would be yes, if you look at all below the surface), but we do know he has “dog on the roof of the family car for a long trip on the interstate” problem. Is that disqualifying?
    .
    KT, excellent job stirring up the crowd. But I concur with donovong: “That being said, please put it back in the box. Romney? Oy.”

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    New Rule: Demorats one bad act and your out, Republicans one good act and you’re in.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    This is the dumbest thing you’ve written…today.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    The Secretary of HHS isn’t all about health care reform. That’s the so-called health care “czar” that was also going to be Dachle, maybe still will be.
    .
    The idea of Mitt Romney as Sec HHS is just about as preposterous as Cokie Roberts debating high economic theory with Paul Krugman.
    .

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    I think we should spend more on highway cement, because the highway cement crews always know where to find the best cheap Mexican food.

    I’m just saying.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    James LA
    .
    They already announced that Dachle won’t be the czar either.
    .
    Anybody wanting to see the walking talking breathing contradiction that is Mitt Romney on health care can go here.
    .
    They almost ran out of room trying to include all of those fact checks!

  • kathy

    Dean’s not loved in the beltway, which might make him ineffective, but:
    .
    Vt has had universal coverage for children for more than a decade (I’ll check on the date if it matters to anyone). Under Gov Dean Vt cut down on long term medical expenses by working to see that all women have access to medical care during their pregnancy, and that children had “success by six,” recognizing how important the early years are.
    .
    He gave up his budding career as a stockbroker to secretly go to medical school (didn’t think his dad would approve). That ought to go over well in today’s climate.
    .
    Just listenting out of one ear to Matthews asking McCaskill “why not dean.” I don’t think she had answers, but didn’t look comfortable.
    .
    We would have to listen to the scream over and over though.

  • sqr1

    sqrl: he INVENTED obama’s vision for health care.
    .
    I usually pride myself on my sarcasm detect, but in this case I don’t know if you are serious.
    .
    My response (and I would address this to stuart zechman as well) is that Romney is unique (and uniquely unqualified as a result) in the magnitude of his waffling. Oh, I know, all politicians hedge and switch positions and “flip-flop”. But, the vast, vast majority of the time you can figure out what the politician really believes and the flip-flops are exaggerated by the media and political opposition.
    .
    But Romney really is that perfect cipher. He not only changes positions. He ruthlessly attacks positions he used to hold (or professed to hold). Did Romney “INVENT” Obama’s vision for health care? Probably. At some time or another he’s held every health care vision to the right of Michael Moore.

  • trifecta55

    Republican J. Bonnie Newman, a veteran of state and national politics who has never held elective office, is Gov. John Lynch’s choice for U.S. senator. In his announcement speech, the Democratic governor said Newman would not seek election in 2010 nor would she endorse a candidate.

  • kathy

    I’m impressed by those of you who think you could stomach Romney. He made my skin crawl more than anyone else this election season.

  • sqr1

    Hula:

    Romney, like most senior Republicans, can’t be bought; he simply doesn’t need the action.

    .
    If nothing else, the economic events of the past six months should have disabused anybody of the quaint notion that those who have accumulated great wealth through personal ambition reach a level of contentment and no longer can be motivated by the almighty dollar.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Hmmm for all of K Tizzle’s promotion of the idea that Ted Kennedy working closely with Romney on his health care plan evidently old Mittens didn’t see it that way.
    .

    Q: Does the health care plan you left in Massachusetts, which required people to get their own insurance, amount to HillaryCare? You say it was the result of a Democratic legislature.
    .
    ROMNEY: First of all, I’m not going to give the Democratic legislature credit for the plan that I helped build. I think it’s a model that other states can adopt in some respects. But our plan is different than Hillary Clinton’s in a lot of important ways. For Democrats, they want to have government take it over. The right answer is to get all of our citizens insured so they don’t have to worry about losing their insurance if they change jobs or have a preexisting condition. But Hillary says the federal government’s going to tell you what kind of insurance, and it’s all government insurance. And I say no, let the states create their own plans, and instead of government insurance, [have] private, market-based insurance. Hillary’s plan costs an extra $110 billion. My plan doesn’t cost any additional money.

    .
    From the 2007 Rethug debate in Orlando
    .
    That had to be one helluva slap to the face for Ted Kennedy.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “REP. BARNEY FRANK: The largest spending bill in history is going to turn out to be the war in Iraq…”

    WRONG.

    The largest spending bill IS the annual fee we pay Californica to babysit the illegal aliens jumping the shark fence south of San Diego.

    By every account of merit, we’re getting a good deal in Iraq (an allie, a source of oil, a base of ops when we eventually have to bomb the b-jeezes out of Iran which we should have done 28 years ago), plus some people there are no longer SLAVES to the 30 Year Junior Stalin Plan of rape, ruin, and raisins. About 30 MILLION of them, in fact.

    We need to stop apologizing for fighting evil, and start gathering our collectivist wits — before Tax Team Obama bankrupts us all into 1932.

  • cbk16

    Mitt should not accept. Since the Democrats took control of congress in 2006 everything is going downhill. Someone has to step up in 2012 to rescue us from the mess that is only going to get worse.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I just heard reporter Jonathan Alter admit that because Dems have standards if they fall short we make them pay but Reps can be as sleazy as they want to be but since they don’t claim to have any standards they get a pass Simon chimes in with it’s all Obama’s fault because he dared to set standards against the advice of wise ones and provide for exceptions knowing he would need some but shouldn’t use them.

  • FlownOver

    No, no, no…
    .
    John Stamos. He also has nice hair and also pretends he knows something about health care.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    what i never understood is why THAT romney didn’t run for president.>/i>
    -
    Because the national GOP is completely f*cking insane.
    -
    You’re welcome!

  • spob

    Dee, put down the Kool-Aid. Dems have standards? C’mon, ever see how a big city is run in America? Did Dodd have standards, Rangel?, Conrad? For pete’s sake, Alcee Hastings is a Dem Congressman.

  • Cliff

    He made my skin crawl more than anyone else this election season.
    .
    That’s impressive, kathy, in a season that includes Sarah Palin (among others).

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “I just heard reporter Jonathan Alter admit that because Dems have standards if they fall short we make them pay but Reps can be as sleazy as they want”
    .
    Saw it…the desire to change subjects was palpable. These people are pathetic. Lets drag them from their homes and hang them. Ok, I’m just kidding. For now.

  • sqr1

    Here is the thing. We don’t have a health insurance problem. We have a health care problem. And we have a health care cost problem.
    .
    People give birth. People get old. People get sick. Medical treatment isn’t a risk. It is a certainty.

  • http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_treatment/archive/2009/02/03/sebelius-romney-arnold-yes-no-maybe.aspx Sebelius, Romney, Arnold…Yes, No, Maybe – The Treatment

    [...] Dean fanboy.) Jennifer Granholm, again, might be worth a look. My friends Marc Ambinder and Karen Tumulty have been proposing Mitt Romney for the post. I like what he did with health care in Massachusetts [...]

  • stuartzechman

    Here is the thing. We don’t have a health insurance problem. We have a health care problem. And we have a health care cost problem.
    .
    People give birth. People get old. People get sick. Medical treatment isn’t a risk. It is a certainty.

    .
    This is undoubtedly true.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    spob — Of course they have standards. However, since I I was paraphrasing the conversations of two reporters I don’t need to put down any kool-aid. And if I was to take you at face value and follow your logic then All Republcians crooks and dpedaphiles right?

  • Cliff

    Dee, put down the Kool-Aid. Dems have standards?
    .
    Well so far we’ve seen a hell of a lot more Dems step down willingly than Repubs.
    Consider Spitzer, Richardson, and Daschle as opposed to:
    Larry Craig (refused to resign)
    Ted Stevens (refused to resign)
    Vitter (refused to resign)
    John McCain (pretends that everything’s better)
    Gonzalez (essentially forced out, IIRC)
    Rumsfield (again, forced out IIRC)

  • spob

    c’mon Dee, you have been tooting that this was a media driven issue from the git go.

    And now it’s onto Solis. She was lobbying her own colleagues–a definite no-no.

    Alter’s a hack who got his journalism degree from a crackerjack box.

  • http://themittblog.com/2009/02/03/hhss-daschle-out-romney-in/ The Mitt Blog » Blog Archive » HHSS: Daschle Out, Romney In?

    [...] Karen Tumulty at the Swampland Now that the former Senate Majority Leader has withdrawn his nomination to become Health and Human [...]

  • Karen Tumulty
  • Karen Tumulty
  • spob

    The issue, cliff, is not what the particular corrupt individual does, but what the collective reaction of the party is. Once again, have you seen what goes on in major US cities?

    You got me on Gonzalez. I wouldn’t say AGAG was all that corrupt (sorry guys, repaying historical Dem discrimination against the GOP in DOJ just doesn’t get me that worked up, although firing the lesbian because she is a lesbian was appalling), just incredibly in over his head. I mean, really, if you cannot win a battle of wits vs. that gasbag Pat Leahy, then you have no business being AG.

    And cliff, what do you think of Conyers? Huh? Remember that corrupt partisan coerced staffers into doing go-fer work for him. Since that go-fer work wasn’t authorized, Conyers should have paid income tax on the fair market value of those services. Yet he didn’t. So let’s see guys. You gonna give him a free pass??

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Huffington Post is talking up Bill Bradley, and manages not to mention his value as an addition to the WH hoops league. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/03/daschle-replacement-buzz_n_163667.html
    .
    They also toss out (and dismiss) Howard Dean, and mention (but do not discuss) Democratic governors Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania, Phil Bredesen of Tennessee and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas. There’s a theme here — governors? Is there evidence that they might have a better handle on the issue?

  • Cliff

    Hey! I’ve started a boomlet
    .
    Oh my sweet f@ck. This is why we complain about the Beltway echo chamber. You get one bad idea in there and it starts bouncing around until it seems like the best idea in the world.
    And the TNR blog pretty much describes why Romney would be a bad idea.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    KT — Frankly you and your brethren make me worry for my country. Despite Republcians running the country into the ground, Obama has made a good faith effort to include these fools by taking the most harmless of the lot and putting them where they will do the least harm. But as someone who is about to lose my health insurance in 6 months and because of a chronic illness can’t buy it at any amount, the Romney suggestion felt an awful lot like you dancing on my grave.
    .
    Clearly, elections don’t mean very much to you but Obama, the near super majority in the house of Representatives and 58 and counting Senators happened because ordinary Americans reject Republican rule, can you and your colleagues get with that program long enough to write it down.
    .
    The GOP is not good at governing, they are good at running up deficits, unemployment, and not taking respsonsibility for any of their mistakes. The media is good at letting them get away with it.

  • spob

    And Cliff, I forgot about all those Dem hacks (Franklin Raines, Jamie Gorelick) who made mints working for Fannie and Freddie. They just took their bonuses (calculated with accounting that would make Enron blush) and walked.

    Somehow Larry Craig’s “wide stance” just doesn’t f’in compare.

  • spob

    Good God Dee–I am sorry to hear that you will lose your health insurance.

    But asking the press to simply cheerlead for the Dems because they won an election? Are you kidding?

    And by the way Dee, Fannie and Freddie were run by Dems, and I have seen very little in the way of Dem contrition over that disaster.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    As a stand-alone Czar and not HHS Secretary, I like the Romney idea. It’s all about getting it passed and as a fully-programmable emissary of the administration, hey — go for it.

  • charityforamerica

    I still think Arnold would yield more positively than Romney, if we’re looking at Republicans. That, and I don’t think that Arnold would be as likely to turn down the post out of immediately partisan considerations as would Romney.

    Oh, Sebelius, why must you play hard to get…

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    KT -
    .
    I love that the first commenter on the Atlantic site leads with “My question here – and I suppose it goes for the ‘provocation’ concept in general – is where this speculation came from.
    .Is this someone floating a trial balloon? If so, is it the Romney camp, a GOPer attempting to make him appear bipartisan in a suspect manner, a Dem trying to drum up improve-my-chances worst-case-scenarios, or some other possibility? Is this an idea Marc had that he likes, in which case it’s essentially a personnel recommendation from a journalist?”
    .
    You’ve not only started a boomlet, you’ve aroused the conspiracy theorists as well.
    .
    Be careful with The Force; use it wisely, you must.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Solis. She was lobbying her own colleagues–a definite no-no.
    Alter’s a hack who got his journalism degree from a crackerjack box.
    .
    Are you kidding me. I just heard reported tonight that Ken Lay (of Enron in case you lose count of all the Republican sleaze bags that destroy people lives) was interviewing potential cabinet members for Bush —
    .
    Republicans don’t have any right what so ever to questions anyone ethics ever again.

  • Karen Tumulty

    Joyo: Where did it come from? I pulled it out of my … ear.
    .
    But let’s let them think there’s a conspiracy.

  • Cliff

    Once again, have you seen what goes on in major US cities?
    .
    No, I’ve just seen what goes on in major Federal institutions.
    .
    You gonna give [Conyers] a free pass??
    .
    No. That’s the point of my argument. So far it seems like the Dems give their corrupt members far less of a pass than the GOP.
    And maybe you missed the whole part about how we want to investigate Bush & Co. for various crimes? Accountable government is kind of a theme with us.
    .
    They just took their bonuses (calculated with accounting that would make Enron blush) and walked.
    .
    Well that’s just happening all over the place. I guess that’s what happens when you systematically gut regulations over the course of decades.

  • jcapan

    “Jonathan Cohn steps even further out of the box”
    ~
    Ha! As he wipes spewed coffee off his screen, maniacal laughter spooking the missus in the shower. “Out of the box”–it’s the same farkin box man! Stoned Janis Joplin: it’s the same f’ing day man.
    ~
    Cohn: “My friends Marc Ambinder and Karen Tumulty”
    ~
    Ah, the villagers are really having some fun today. The Bastille, gates, storm they be needing.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I don’t want the press to cheerlead for Obama, i want them to give him the same level of respect and courtersey they would give any other president. And they haven’t.
    .
    I want the press to do their job. Despite the GOP myth machine few have told the American people the truth about the damage done to this country at the Hands of the GOP over the last thirty years and now KT weants a medal because she got other bloggers to promote this travesty she called an idea.

  • oizydoizy

     
    Superintendent of Washington DC schools, Michelle Rhee.
     
    Pro-school vouchers? Check.
    Antagonizes teachers’ union? Check.
    Probable Democrat? Check.
     

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    K Tizzle
    .
    My coach had a saying he memorized that I am going to pass along to you
    .
    Be wary of being praised by fools

  • trifecta55

    Is the HHS secretary in charge of animal health care, especially dogs who go on family vacations?
    .
    Signed, Curious.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “But let’s let them think there’s a conspiracy.”
    .
    Ha ha…good one KT. Yeah stupid conspiracy theorists, next thing they’ll be saying that journalists were targeted for illegal wiretapping by the NSA. Oh wait!

  • jcapan

    “We would have to listen to the scream over and over though”
    ~
    I hear screams coming from all over America–anyone reading media coverage this week is losing touch with their own sanity.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Dee raises an important point; some people who are unemployed or underemployed and also have chronic health problems face a double whammy in any economy. My 22-year-old son has a sometimes-expensive chronic condition and we are not sure what will happen when he graduates from college and is no longer covered by our insurance. Universal health care would help people like my son enter the workplace and become independent and productive. (His father and I would like that!)

  • Karen Tumulty

    joyo and dee: watch this space. i am working on a story on this very subject.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I wonder how many members of the press could survive an IRS audit unscathed? Maybe that’s what they are afraid of the reason we haven’t heard much about the NSA wiretapping is because of the dirty laundry about them that might fall out.
    .
    Hmn speculation? Do you think KT suggested Romney because some enterprising young Republican operative in the NSA got wind of some embarrassing details and this is what he wants in return for his silence?
    .
    It’s not so much fun when the shoe is on the other foot.

  • kathy

    Cliff – Mitt was more effective with his lying than Sarah. I also couldn’t get over the difference between listening to Sarah and reading Sarah. She has a unique ability to make utter nonsense sound like it might mean something.

  • spob

    Dee, gimme a break. Bush didn’t know Lay was a crook. And let’s compare him to the sainted one. Obama certainly knew Blagojevich had issues, yet endorsed him anyway, and Obama even endorsed Alexi Giannioulias, a man so crooked that even Illinois Dems couldn’t stomach.

    And anyone who blames Fannie and Freddie (government sponsored entities) on the GOP’s dislike of regulation is simply not living in the real world. Fannie and Freddie had a phalanx of Dems who were not going to let anyone stop them on the Hill.

    I get it Dee, you’re a partisan.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    KT — glad to hear this issue will be covered. The GOP is fond of always portraying people in need of health insurance as leeches on society. Not that I am implying that people with less means are less deserving in any way, but there are plenty of us out here that can’t buy health insurance at any price.
    .
    Perhaps you could put in your story that while we wait for health reform they might consider an executive order extending cobra eligibility beyond 18 months. I know, a cobra payment looks more like a rent payment in some states, but it beats a blank.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Yeah, KT polled everyone at the Beltway cocktail party last night and all of them have health coverage, and she just got an email from the RNC stating that when you remove all the illegal immigrantss from the numbers, 99% of Americans have health care(along w/ burgeoning stock portfolios). Can’t wait to read this piece!
    .
    Dee, I’m trying to think of another reason KT refuses to touch this NSA wiretapping story, other than she’s just a corporate hack. I mean I don’t WANT to believe that KT is involved w/ the selling of cocaine to children, or w/ the white slave trade, but I just don’t know.
    .
    Think about it: wall to wall coverage of the failure to pay taxes, furrowed brows, self righteous indignation. Not a god d@mn thing about the NSA.

  • kathy

    Just listening to B. Williams saying we heard something from Obama tonight we haven’t heard in 8 years: Obama saying “I need to own up to my mistake.”
    .
    “there aren’t two sets of rules. that’s why today was an embarrasment for us.”
    .
    “Did I screw up in this situation? Absolutely.”
    .
    This is incredibly refreshing to hear.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    It’s not so much that Dee’s a partisan, it’s that you as a Republican, have no right to question anyone’s ethical standards. I must agree.

  • spob

    You know, it really is amazing–people will associate George Bush with Ken Lay’s corruption, even though there is zero evidence that Bush knew about Enron’s dishonesty, yet will ignore the fact that Barack Obama endorsed Blagojevich for Illinois governor despite knowing the guy was under federal investigation. Certainly, any objective observer would have to conclude that if you had to pick one person to be guilty by association, it would have to be Obama.

    The press was only too happy to parrot the “Kenny Boy” comments, but can’t even ask Obama why in the world he endorsed Blago.

  • mmchampion

    Romney Shromney.
    .
    Blago! He’s tanned, he’s rested, he’s ready!
    .
    Besides, it’ll keep him off the news. Oh wait, crap…

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Kathy — that’s what happens when you have the integrity to answer the questions put before you. that’s why I can’t figure out why the media, who are in the question business, fall over themselves for the GOP when all they ever do is change the subject.

  • spob

    cincinnatus, wow, that’s cute. I am a pretty ethical guy. I even recycle.

    A statement like that shows that you are an idiot.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    I’ll see your Obama endorsement of Blago and raise you a Bush committed insider trading while on the board of Harken.

  • Paul-no not that one

    KT “Where did it come from? I pulled it out of my … ear.”
    .
    Oh, like yesterday’s post?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    spob — I guess its true — there is no shortage of stupidity in America.
    .
    Obama: Endorse the sitting governor of my party
    .
    Bush: Let a crook on the inside to vet my administration (oh that’s right he didn’t know) Early sign of the Bush incompetency model of governing.

  • spob

    And Kathy–if Daschle was such a mistake for Obama, why wasn’t Geithner? And what about Holder?

    And if we are going to see this newfound same set of rules, is Obama going to ask Charlie Rangel to pay his f’in taxes on those below market rents he has.

    Uh no. This isn’t refreshing. It’s damage control.

    Now it’s up to KT and the rest to ask Obama if Daschle was a mistake, why isn’t Geithner? It’s also up to them to ask about whether Obama will put pressure on Conyers to true up his tax issues because of the income attributable to having the staffers do his work for them.

  • jcapan

    Another day, another wasted opp. to engage with issues of any substance whatsoever. Kudos KT–horserace coverage for cabinet slots, obit coverage for more failed dems, stenography for your fav GOP chums. Job well done Swamp-journos!
    ~
    And just b/c I post here, like Daschle’s fall, support Dean, doesn’t make our roles equivalent. You have the power to shift the narrative, to cover something, anything of import. But of late you are really tossing out some pure crap.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “cincinnatus, wow, that’s cute. I am a pretty ethical guy. I even recycle. A statement like that shows that you are an idiot.”
    .
    Awww how cute, the little College Republican called me idiot. We know you recycle…you’re here recycling RNC talking points moron.

  • mmchampion

    Cincy,
    It’s beautiful! He needs a job, his wife needs a job, and he’s got better hair than the Mittster!
    .
    He always wanted a cabinet post (and probably a pony). It’s a win-win!
    .
    Best of all, it’ll get him the he!l out of this state. The weather here is bad enough, but add Blago to it and it’s hard not to imagine that we’re not on at least one of the levels of he!l.
    .
    Just sayin’.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Ok, that’s it, spob and cinci. No cookies for either of you!

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Dee, cut W some slack, when you’re as corrupt and criminal as he was, someone like Ken Lay looked like Opie Taylor.

  • spob

    Gimme a break, Dee. Obama gets a pass because Blago was a governor? And Bush was incompetent because he didn’t divine that Lay was a crook? Come on. Even you can’t justify that. And I’m not even mentioning Giannioulias.

    And cincinnatus, you’re the one who started this, and you are an f’in idiot.

  • rose83

    Well I thought he should be Treasury Secretary. Dean would be the best choice but if Obama’s going to choose another Washington insider who is in the pocket of big business he might as well choose Romney. At least he’s smart and has a track record of success in health care.
    .
    I’m impressed by those of you who think you could stomach Romney. He made my skin crawl more than anyone else this election season.
    .
    Kathy, I felt the same way in the primaries but then I realized he is naturally far more… I was going to say charming but that’s going too far. He’s far less irritating. I first started to change my thinking about him when he was secretly taped arguing with a radio host about the Mormon thing during a commercial break: Suddenly I saw the smart and energetic Mitt Romney who has done some impressive things. Then during the GE he stopped pretending to be the out of touch Dad on a 50s sitcom and I was really worried that McCain would choose him as VP.
    .
    I have honestly never seen a candidate so badly managed by his advisers. I’m not sure where their loyalties lay: Maybe the reason the McCain campaign went bankrupt is that they were paying Romney’s advisers too!

  • mmchampion

    Blago likes cookies.
    .
    And his hair probably tells Pourmecoffee to do bad things.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Again, health care reform is going to be headed up by the “health care czar” NOT the Sec HHS. The “health care czar” needs to be a plugged in politician, and I can’t see that a dim bulb like Romney, who is a failed Republican candidate and AGAINST expanded health care for children, much less adults, as proposed in SCHIP, is a good candidate, his good hair notwithstanding.
    .
    The Sec HHS needs to have different set of knowledge, skills, and abilities. Criteria #1 is a commitment to health care, disease prevention, research, and health services. Because Mitt effin’ Romney once worked with Senator Kennedy doesn’t qualify him to run the HHS. And Schwartzenegger — I mean come on. How preposterous can you be?
    .
    Both Arnold and Mitt are pushing a health care model that you probably won’t like and is very likely to fail. Since neither you nor Ambinder really know squat about the issue you look kind of funny advocating for particular people, who happen to be Republicans. What’s in it for you?
    .
    I’d like to see Donna Shalala come back aboard.
    .

  • Paul-no not that one

    Re/ the updates. They both treat this as a big game too.
    .
    Any fundamental change in health care or labor (spob showed what is coming with her Solis line) in this country will come with a battle on two fronts. The republicans and the tired entrenched media.

  • spob

    So let’s see it guys–will this Obama admission that there shouldn’t be two sets of rules apply to anyone else? Conyers? Come on.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    So tell us all about the legitimate reasons George W Bush ISN’T guilty of insider trading? Or is someone of the same party endorsing a member of same party even if they are under investigation a worse crime. Come on pooh-pooh ca-ca head! Is ‘idiot’ the only pejorative you can think of?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Come on sweetie…am I gettin’ to ya?

  • rose83

    Now it’s up to KT and the rest to ask Obama if Daschle was a mistake, why isn’t Geithner?
    .
    spob, because what Geithner did wasn’t even remotely equivalent to what Daschle did. Anyone would know they owed taxes on personal car and driver services. In contrast the World Bank taxation rules are very complex and easy to misunderstand. I probably would have made Geithner’s mistake. And Geithner quickly paid his taxes when he discovered the error.
    .
    It’s the difference between an understandable innocent mistake and a stupid or stunningly negligent or dishonest mistake.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    I don’t know about spob, darling, but you sure are getting to me.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Well, turn down the lights honey, put on some soft music, slip into something sexy….you know the rest.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Not tonight, cinci, all this shouting and poo-flinging has given me a headache.
    .
    See y’all tomorrow.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Frigid b!tch.

  • spob

    First of all, Cincinnatus you are the one who said that because I am a republican, I have no morals.

    Second of all, I am not about to go back and re-look at the Harken stuff, as I recall it was a whole lot of nothing. If my memory serves me correctly, the Bush I SEC chief recused himself from the investigation, and a Dem ran the investigation that exonerated Bush.

    Third of all, the issue I raised is why Bush is tarred with “Kenny Boy” when he had no idea about Lay’s corruption and Obama is not tarred with Blagojevich even though he had to know that Blago was not exactly squeaky clean.

    Fourth of all, this Obama mea culpa is f’in laughable. If the “two sets of rules” thing really was true, then why does Geithner still have a job? And will Obama call on Conyers to true up his taxes?

  • g_crush

    .
    I love ya, Karen, but Romney in charge of building a universal health care system is a bad, bad, bad idea. The universal insurance coverage for Massachusetts that Romney let health insurers write grew unaffordable quickly as healthcare costs rose. And that was in 2008.
    .
    Now imagine what is happening due to increased unemployment – a change from 4.3% in December 2007 to 6.9% in 2008.

  • kathy

    Rose – I guess my problem is I’m not sure he paid attention to handlers – I think he was himself all along.

  • spob

    Oh rose, you cannot be that naive. Geithner was informed he had a problem with a couple of tax years, yet didn’t look back to other tax years where the same issue would have arisen. That’s not an honest mistake.

    And what about Conyers? Come on guys? Is Obama for real with this “two sets of rules” stuff?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “First of all, Cincinnatus you are the one who said that because I am a republican, I have no morals.”
    .
    You;re a liar.
    .
    “If my memory serves me correctly, the Bush I SEC chief recused himself from the investigation, and a Dem ran the investigation that exonerated Bush.”
    .
    Your memory sucks. Try gingko.
    .
    “even though he had to know that Blago was not exactly squeaky clean.”
    .
    Had to know? Proof? Obama is a hell of a lot smarter than Bush, sure, but I don’t think that means he has ESP.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    KT’s had better weeks.

  • spob

    to cinci:

    Whatever SFB. You said I can’t judge anyone’s ethical standards b/c I am a republican. What’s the implication of that SFB–exactly what I said it was SFB.

    I know that higher learning has escaped you cinci (i know, in Dem circles snark passes for erudition, but it really isn’t), but my point was not necessarily that Obama should be tagged with the guilt of Blago, but that as between Bush being tagged with the guilt of Lay or Obama being tagged with the guilt of Blago, there is far more reason to tag Obama. And, by the way, when you endorse someone who is under federal investigation, you are vouching for the guy.

  • trifecta55

    I think KT secretly misses Tagg and the rest of the Romney boys.

  • spob

    And what of the deafening silence about Conyers. Come on guys. Obama the savior is here, and he’s said that there aren’t two sets of rules. Well let’s see.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    I mean how smart do you have to be to realize that Obama has no influence or power over John Conyers, who was democratically elected to his Congressional seat by his constituents in Michigan. That’s a real reach. Desperate. Flop sweat.
    .
    Next.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Well, one of us IS an idiot spooge, but I don’t think it’s me!
    .
    George W Bush and accusations of insider trading at Harken:
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    Chairman of the SEC: Richard Breeden, Bush family friend, nominated to SEC by GHW Bush, a member of James Baker’s law firm. Did not recuse himself.
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    SEC General Counsel: James Doty, George W Bush’s attorney in the acquisition of Texas Rangers.
    .
    George W BUsh attorney was Robert Jordan, also a member of James Baker’s law firm, later appointed by George W Bush ambassador to Saudi Arabia.
    .
    The administration of George W Bush refused to release its full report on the Harken investigation.
    .

  • Cliff

    And anyone who blames Fannie and Freddie (government sponsored entities) on the GOP’s dislike of regulation is simply not living in the real world. Fannie and Freddie had a phalanx of Dems who were not going to let anyone stop them on the Hill.
    .
    I was comparing the Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick to the other criminals who have ran their enterprises into the ground and ran off with millions in bonuses.
    And if you really want to get balls-to-the-wall on the whole justice angle, let’s talk about prosecuting some of these fat cats for treason, for f–king up our economy so badly.
    .
    Second of all, I am not about to go back and re-look at the Harken stuff, as I recall it was a whole lot of nothing.
    .
    Well, you also don’t think Alberto “I’m A Corrupt SOB” Gonzales is corrupt, so this means there’s pretty much no reason to talk to you because you’ll just deny every piece of evidence we bring up.

  • textee

    Is there a single soul from the thinking, pro-America community who is surprised that so many members of the Democrat party, who love confiscating other peoples’ property and redistributing said property to Democrats, are certified, authenticated, serial tax cheats and unrepentant tax evaders?

  • Cliff

    And what of the deafening silence about Conyers.
    .
    Give me a link on what exactly it is that he’s done.

  • g_crush

    .
    Did someone say, ‘problem’?

    Norm Coleman…The soon-to-be-former senator’s scandal is pretty simple. Nasser Kazeminy, a wealthy businessman and close Coleman friend, allegedly paid him $75,000 under the table.

    …Here’s how the almost certainly true alleged scheme worked. The payments to Coleman came in the form of what Tony Soprano would call a “no-show job.” One of Kazeminy’s companies is called Deep Marine Technology. Kazeminy allegedly ordered Deep Marine’s CEO, Paul McKim, to make a series of $25,000 payments that would go to Coleman’s wife. According to McKim, Kazeminy was utterly blatant. He said the reason for the payments was that Coleman needed the money and McKim should disguise them as a legitimate business transaction.

    Of course, we all would rather obsess over, say, $900 in back taxes from four years ago. There are two sets of rules, generally; Dems who do questionable acts hear it shouted from the rooftops while Repubs hear nothing but crickets.
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    Sad.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Memo from Harken to Bush after Bush inquired as to the legalities of selling his stock:
    .

    “The act of trading, particularly if close in time to the receipt of the inside information, is strong evidence that the insider’s investment decision was based on the inside information… the insider should be advised not to sell.”
    .
    The above memo was not turned over to the SEC until the day after the SEC decided not to charge.

  • 53_3

    Well, I have this to say about Republickers in the past, and the chances Mitt Romney has (and rightly so):
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    Oer my dead corse, varlet!
    .
    As far a Republickers being able to sling hash at this point:
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    You’ve had your 8 years, and you totally screwed it up. At least Obama has the guts to admit he’s wrong.
    .
    As for the GOPers?
    .
    If they don’t cooperate, run ‘em the f*ck over…

  • 53_3

    “Is there a single soul from the thinking, pro-America community who is surprised that so many members of the Democrat party, who love confiscating other peoples’ property and redistributing said property to Democrats, are certified, authenticated, serial tax cheats and unrepentant tax evaders?”
    .
    It appears, ahem, that the aura generated by electing Steele as head of the GOP didn’t last long.
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    Did it.
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    Textee, this is America. Love it or leave it!
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    Dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill…

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Spooge, just in case you missed it:
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    George W Bush and accusations of insider trading at Harken:

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    Chairman of the SEC: Richard Breeden, Bush family friend, nominated to SEC by GHW Bush, a member of James Baker’s law firm. Did not recuse himself.
    .
    SEC General Counsel: James Doty, George W Bush’s attorney in the acquisition of Texas Rangers.
    .
    George W BUsh attorney was Robert Jordan, also a member of James Baker’s law firm, later appointed by George W Bush ambassador to Saudi Arabia.
    .
    The administration of George W Bush refused to release its full report on the Harken investigation.

  • spob

    James, you idiot, Obama could simply tell conyers to pay the taxes on the services he coerced from staffers. It’s called the bully pulpit.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Oh spoooooooooggggieeeeeeeeee:
    .
    Memo from Harken to Bush after Bush inquired as to the legalities of selling his stock:
    .


    “The act of trading, particularly if close in time to the receipt of the inside information, is strong evidence that the insider’s investment decision was based on the inside information… the insider should be advised not to sell.”

    .
    The above memo was not turned over to the SEC until the day after the SEC decided not to charge.

  • rose83

    Rose – I guess my problem is I’m not sure he paid attention to handlers – I think he was himself all along.
    .
    Kathy, no he was definitely not that boring stupid guy. I don’t think Romney is nice – he made millions by firing people. But that particular kind of artificiality and seeming lack of intelligence, well that’s not Romney. He is a very intelligent person who during the GE and in that tape with the radio host showed he’s not inherently unlikeable.
    .
    But yes, I don’t think he’s secretly some wonderful sweet guy whose handlers made him appear otherwise. His handlers just made him seem less intelligent and more boring than he really is.

  • 53_3

    And the GOPs pick for Attorny General admits to political influence in the Justice Department.
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    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/03/brown.gonzales.excerpts/index.html
    .
    “…a little negative…”?
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    Yeah, riiiiiiight. Just like 7,200,000,000,000 dollars handed out free curtousy of the GOP was a “little” money…

  • 53_3

    Sorry cincy.
    Didn’t want to spoil your fun, spob seems to be slinging it.
    .
    spob should realize that glass houses don’t last very long when rocks are flying…

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  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Deafening silence?
    .

    “If my memory serves me correctly, the Bush I SEC chief recused himself from the investigation, and a Dem ran the investigation that exonerated Bush.”
    -Spooge
    .
    George W Bush and accusations of insider trading at Harken:
    .
    Chairman of the SEC: Richard Breeden, Bush family friend, nominated to SEC by GHW Bush, a member of James Baker’s law firm. Did not recuse himself.
    .
    SEC General Counsel: James Doty, George W Bush’s attorney in the acquisition of Texas Rangers.
    .
    George W BUsh attorney was Robert Jordan, also a member of James Baker’s law firm, later appointed by George W Bush ambassador to Saudi Arabia.
    .
    The administration of George W Bush refused to release its full report on the Harken investigation.
    .
    Memo from Harken to Bush after Bush inquired as to the legalities of selling his stock:
    .
    “The act of trading, particularly if close in time to the receipt of the inside information, is strong evidence that the insider’s investment decision was based on the inside information… the insider should be advised not to sell.”
    .
    The above memo was not turned over to the SEC until the day after the SEC decided not to charge.

  • Cliff

    Looks like spob is getting flaky on the whole “facts” aspect of our debate.
    .
    Come on now, as an educated conservative surely you have some form of factual basis for your assertions?

  • 53_3

    Really should respond to cincy, spob.
    .
    Seems that FOX, as a trump card, is about as low as a two of spades…

  • spob

    RE: Harken http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york071002.asp

    RE: AGAG, once again, I am not going to get all that worked up about liberals getting what conservatives have always gotten at DOJ. I will make one small exception–they fired a woman because she was a lesbian. That was appalling. And guys, I don’t defend AGAG. He was in over his head.

    RE: the DC tax lien. I agree. Who cares? But remember, she withdrew on her own–who knows what other issues there were. But if I were a Senator, I would have voted to confirm her. Geither, no–because he had to know he had an issue for prior tax years.

  • 53_3

    spob:
    .
    Republican corruption? So what?
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    Typical Republicker response.
    .
    With people like that, who needs terrorists…

  • shepherdwong

    *SIGH* Why is appointing a liberal never “outside the box”? It sure as sh*t ought to be.

  • shepherdwong

    “Here is the thing. We don’t have a health insurance problem. We have a health care problem. And we have a health care cost problem.”
    .
    It’s worse. We have a nutrition and lifestyle problem.
    .
    Corn syrup + sedentary = obesity & diabetes + co-morbid disease = $$$$healthcare

  • 53_3

    The other interesting thing is that spob attempts to “minimize” the accomplishments is his party’s AG by claiming that he was in over his head.
    .
    How stupid could one get. You would then have to claim that nearly everyone in the previous administration was “in over their heads”.
    .
    Listening to Rush Limbaugh I think might convince most Americans that maybe, just maybe, spob is right!
    .
    But you know, it’s a sad, pathetic dodge in order to keep from being painted with intent…

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Did spooge just provide a link to the National Review as his rebuttal? Hee hee. Even a cursory skim disproves much of what the hack Byron York writes, specifically where he claims Bush asked for counsel before the sale and York claims they gave him the go ahead. They did not, here is their response to Bush(again):
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    “The act of trading, particularly if close in time to the receipt of the inside information, is strong evidence that the insider’s investment decision was based on the inside information… the insider should be advised not to sell.”

  • 53_3

    spooge is typical.
    Corruption? So what? Bigoted? It’s a free country. Perks for CEOs? Free Enterprise. Health care? Thin out the gene pool.
    .
    Typical cynical stuff only a terrorist would love…

  • spob

    Re Harken. William McLucas, SEC enforcement chief and a Dem looked at Bush and Harken and concluded that there was no there there. Guys, take your moonbat crap and go fly a kite.

  • Cliff

    Is this what you’re talking about with Conyers?
    .

    In letters sent separately to the House Ethics Committee, the FBI, and the US Attorney’s office by two former aides of Conyers, they alleged that Conyers used his staff to work on several local and state campaigns and forced them to baby-sit and chauffeur his children.[9] In late December 2006, Conyers “accepted responsibility” for possibly violating House rules. A statement issued December 29, 2006 by the House Ethics Committee Chairman Doc Hastings (R-Wash.) and Ranking Minority Member Howard Berman (D-Calif.), said that Conyers acknowledged what he characterized as a “lack of clarity” in his communications with staff members regarding their official duties and responsibilities, and accepted responsibility for his actions. In deciding to drop the matter, Hastings and Berman state: After reviewing the information gathered during the inquiry, and in light of Representative Conyers’ cooperation with the inquiry, we have concluded that this matter should be resolved through the issuance of this public statement and the agreement by Representative Conyers to take a number of additional, significant steps to ensure that his office complies with all rules and standards regarding campaign and personal work by congressional staff.

    .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Conyers
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    If so, Big F@cking Deal. What else you got?

  • spob

    Cinci, go ask McLucas then, SFB.

    So what of Conyers guys. Come on. Do we have two sets of rules or not, and what is the sainted one gonna do about it?

  • 53_3

    “Guys, take your moonbat crap and go fly a kite.”
    .
    You need to tell this to the rest of America.
    .
    If you’ll notice, things are getting done, spooge. We’re too busy rebuilding America. Maybe you don’t like what we’re gonna do, but sh!t.
    .
    As far as I’m concerned, love it or leave it. You’ve had your day and nearly destroyed this country.
    .
    We’re at bat, so sit the f*ck down, junior!
    .
    If you can convince America to go back to that dark corrupt cynical crap you’re trying to sell, go for it, but until then…

  • spob

    Cliff, the big f’in deal is that those services he coerced, since they are were not fringe benefits of his employment constitute taxable f’in income. And he didn’t pay taxes on that income. That’s the big f’in deal. Moron.

  • spob

    53_3

    I didn’t destroy squat. Growing up very poor, I joined the military as an enlisted guy, got an ROTC scholarship while enlisted and then served 4 1/4 years as an officer. I work extremely hard and so I earn a good living. I have paid a lot of taxes (and the nanny taxes). I am not the f’in problem in this country, and I love this country, you arrogant ass.

  • 53_3

    Even the Republican governors see the light:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28949195/

  • Cliff

    And he didn’t pay taxes on that income. That’s the big f’in deal. Moron.
    .
    What the f–k ever. Hike up your goddamn panties, you old woman. Sarah Palin’s wardrobe is probably worth more than whatever Conyers hypothetically owes.

  • Cliff

    I am not the f’in problem in this country
    .
    Well if you’re too stupid to understand that Alberto Gonzalez is a corrupt sack of sh!t then that is indeed a problem.

  • 53_3

    “I didn’t destroy squat.”
    .
    Oh my, I said “repblicans” destroyed this country.
    .
    Arrogant? Me arrogant?
    .
    The reason I cam in here swinging is because you not only displayed cynical acceptance of Republican corruption, you’ve been slinging hash at everone else.
    .
    You’re going to find me very very unpleasant, because you won’t be able to lie and prevaricate on this thread…

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Uhmmm I gotta say that Oliver Willis wins the thread hand down lol

  • spob

    Well, Cliff, if you don’t care about elected officials paying their tax liability, then that’s that. But that just shows you to be a partisan d-bag and not worthy of serious consideration.

    Obama said that there will not be two standards. I gotta pay all my f’in taxes, but this jerk Conyers doesn’t, and I am an old lady for pointing that out. Whatever SFB.

  • 53_3

    “I work extremely hard and so I earn a good living. I have paid a lot of taxes (and the nanny taxes).”
    .
    Did this make you God, or just another taxpayer?
    .
    Riddle me that, buttman…

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Spooge, after McLucas’ statement, associate director for enforcement Bruce A. Hiler backtracked from that statement:
    .
    “[the letter]must in no way be construed as indicating that the party has been exonerated or that no action may ultimately result from the staff’s investigation.”
    .
    The original letter from the SEC to Bush’s atty Jordan:
    “the investigation has been terminated as to the conduct of Mr. Bush, and that, at this time, no enforcement action is contemplated with respect to him.”
    .
    He was in no way cleared, and considering that the SEC was packed w/ family friends and political cronies, the fact that he didn’t get an outright clearance is telling.

  • Cliff

    And my apologies to all legitimate old ladies reading the thread.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    just a question but why are yall engaging spob? Thats hula with out the long posts. Textee with out “thoroughly unqualified” And yall have now given K Tizzle a thread with over 200 comments which according to her seems to be what she cares about most.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Tsk tsk, name-calling is unbecoming of an “officer,” son. Where’d you serve, the Red State Army? (cough cough. )
    .

  • 53_3

    “I gotta pay all my f’in taxes, but this jerk Conyers doesn’t, and I am an old lady for pointing that out.”
    .
    I see! And “nanny taxes”, too!
    .
    Now I understand:
    .
    You’re a rags-to-riches All American story that we are supposed to consider for a role model, right?
    .
    I think, though, on that trail you took from punery to riches, you dropped more than a little bit of humanity on the way…

  • Cliff

    I didn’t say Conyers doesn’t have to pay his taxes. I’m just saying I’ve got more important things to worry about than this crap.
    Like, say, holding our elected officials accountable for hundreds of billions lost.
    .
    And also, it’s pretty weird that you’re calling everyone else partisan. You come in here blathering about how corrupt Democrats always are, but somehow you’re not partisan?

  • 53_3

    sg:
    .
    He’s been slinging it. I really never liked to get into it with fellow Dems or supporters of the present reconstruction process going on.
    .
    So when I see an opportunity to butt heads with a new one, I take it.
    .
    It is far more satisfying than butting heads with fellow Dems…

  • spob

    53_3

    SFB, it’s you that referred to me and others as having almost ruined this country. So I was responding to that. Personally, i don’t think what I pay makes me anything special.

    Buttman, now is that a homophobic comment? Hmmmmm. I thought liberals weren’t supposed to be into homophobia. You’re probably just a self-hater because of what acts you’d love to perform for Barack. You should embrace it–life is short. Accept your desire to feel his salvation over your face and accept your desire to service the back-end too.

  • spob

    Well, Cliff, we can start with Franklin Raines.

  • 53_3

    “I am not the f’in problem in this country, and I love this country, you arrogant ass.”
    .
    I’ll revisit this one on another level, sponge:
    .
    If you love this country, even if you don’t like Obama, quit trying to sell your personal ideology to everyone else, then insulting anyone who doesn’t buy it.
    .
    Why?
    .
    Because, you loozer, We are Americans, and we love America, too!

  • spob

    Oh, 53_3, I think you’re the one who started the insults.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Spob claims he’s not the problem in this country, he’s wrong as usual. He is one of the many problems in this country, namely people whose world view and economic philosophy have just been proven 100% wrong but would rather go down in flames than admit it.

  • 53_3

    Well, spob, we can instead start with Paulson and Bernanke:
    .
    They, prior to Feb 20th, handed out a total of 7,200,000,000,000 dollars:
    http://slapstickpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/12/bailout-total-and-coming-inflation.html
    .
    Yes this is a partisan site, but you can trace the numbers everywhere, and I’m saying $7.2 trillion instead of 8.5.
    .
    Ok, spob, wanna see corruption on the grandest scale ever attempted?
    .
    Bernanke and Paulson passed this money out w/o any oversight whatever:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/08/the-end-of-bailout-transp_n_156472.html
    .
    Okay. Now we can begin, spob.
    .
    The amount of many Daschle failed to pay is 56,250,000 times as small.

  • 53_3

    You were well into it, spoob, when I came in. When I got there, you were already slagging rose and cincy…

  • 53_3

    “Well, Cliff, we can start with Franklin Raines.”
    .
    I have a better idea sponge. Lets go with biggest first. A much more reasonable approach, don’t you think?
    .
    He he. Of course, they are all Republicans…

  • 53_3

    cincy, did he blame the Clintons yet?

  • 53_3

    And sponge:
    .
    By the way, you hate EIC and the poor who avail themselves of it, right?
    .
    Freeloaders and all, chislers when they should be working and sucking off the likes of you, right?
    .
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/09/AR2008110902155_pf.html
    .
    Well well well!
    .
    Now that is a bit ‘o the nave fer the upper crust, to the tune of an amount that is 40 times as large as the entire US budget for the EIC
    .
    Yes! Let’s discuss corruption!

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    He doesn’t have to 53_3, it’s implicit in every breath he/she takes. All I did was tell this guy that he as a Republican had no right to come in here and start questioning Democrats ethics after the last 8 years. I think Shakespeare had something to say about this. SG is right though, you can’t engage a wall.

  • zoomar2

    I smell a brain fart, karen. just blame it on the dog and move on.

  • 53_3

    Yes, sponge is right about income redistribution. The GOP has indulged in income redistribution on an incomprehensibly grand scale:
    .
    Spob, bottom line. You get to pay it back. And I’ll even make it 0% interest at terms you can afford:
    .
    For each and every one of Earths’ past years, all 4,586,000,000 of them, you will have to go back in time and repay the debt at the rate of $131 / month over the span entire Hadean, Archean, Proterazoic, and Phanerazoic ages!
    .
    One cannot comprehend the magnitude of GOP corruption otherwise…

  • 53_3

    “SG is right though, you can’t engage a wall.”
    .
    Yeah, you’re right, cincy, and so is SG, but I’m really sick of banging heads with fellow dems & supporters of the rebuilding process.
    .
    It’s more fun, but yes, it appears that the wall is up…

  • Paul-no not that one

    ” I joined the military as an enlisted guy, got an ROTC scholarship while enlisted and then served 4 1/4 years as an officer. I work extremely hard and so I earn a good living. I have paid a lot of taxes (and the nanny taxes)”
    .
    Is there a republican, in all the internets, who didn’t serve bravely and successfully. and then become wealthy?

  • 53_3

    PNNTO:
    .
    Well, rusty was a physician, wasn’t he? And remember Andy Wahl? I think QH even claimed the mantle once…

  • Paul-no not that one

    That’s what I mean 53, they troll around for a while and then make argument by (completely fictional) biography.
    As predictable as it is sad.

  • http://twitter.com/pourmecoffee pourmecoffee

    It usually gets nice and crazy when the comments get in the 200′s. A little disappointing. I’ll check back tomorrow morning, when I hope someone’s mother has been called a you-know-what.

  • Cliff

    pourme, you really need to submit these requests before the 100th post.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Ahh memories of KT, the media, and healthcare–
    .
    Remember the key point: They simply don’t care. On Saturday, the SEIU had the good sense to sponsor a Democratic forum on health care. Seven White House candidates took part, including the current front-runners. Karen Tumulty capably hosted the forum; at Swampland, she outed the rest of her cohort. “I suspected that my colleagues in the press filing center weren’t entirely thrilled at spending a Saturday in Las Vegas this way,” she wrote. And she said her suspicions were confirmed when she received this e-mail:

    E-MAIL TO TUMULTY (3/24/07)
    In the press file.
    We have taken a vote.

    We don’t want to write about health care.

    Please adjust accordingly.
    [name withheld by Tumulty]
    Poor babies! They didn’t want to write about health care!
    .
    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh032607.shtml
    I’d link to the original but TIME scrubbed it.

  • progressivechic

    Clearly you have no idea of what is going on in Massachusetts. yes its great that “nearly 98%” of MA residents are now covered by health insurance but at what cost? so long as health care is treated as a commodity, special interest groups will continue to drive up the cost of health care. please read: http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=17529

  • stuartzechman

    Thanks for that memory, PNNTO.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    I’m back; lovely evening, isn’t it? Cincy, all is forgiven, except for the frigid b!tch line, which won’t get you any, ever. Trust me.
    .
    That was quite a thread; did we settle anything? I take it Romney is out?

  • Paul-no not that one

    progressive when the home page of your link has a piece by Otto Reich that doesn’t exactly bode well.

  • progressivechic

    I want to make something clear…I don’t believe health care should be valued any less than education in this country.

  • Paul-no not that one

    An adult take on who may be being considered for HHS.
    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/02/why-daschle-quit-and-whos-next.php
    ,
    ” A couple of names being tossed about include Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius but not former physician/governors Howard Dean of Vermont or John Kitzaber of Oregon who this Democrat didn’t think would be considered, Dean because he’s considered too partisan and Kitzaber because he’s a bit of an odd bird. Rep. Vic Snyder of Arkansas, the only member of Congress who is both a physician and a lawyer, might be a dark horse but as a backbencher probably not a commanding enough figure to fill Daschle’s shoes. This person did not think a policy aide like Jeanne Lambrew would be considered. Another long shot: Jay Rockefeller”

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    I want to make something clear…I don’t believe health care should be valued any less than education in this country.
    .
    progressive, is that even possible, in the context of the last 8 years?

  • mmchampion

    joyo,
    .
    It seems Mittens is definitely out but Blago…I can still dream can’t I?
    .
    And Cincy doesn’t know frigid until he’s survived one of these recent northern midwestern winters. Everyone looks like the Michelin tire man.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Blago isn’t allowed to doing anything until after his Celebrity Death Match appearance with Joe the Plumber. Sorry.

  • mmchampion

    Dang.
    .
    Blago Rules! He’s so going to kick Joe the Plumber’s butt. heh heh. I said plumber’s butt.
    .
    I saw Blago at the gym – he was being interviewed again by Larry again – but his hair told me to get off the treadmill and eat cheese fries. I had no choice but to obey.

  • fourlegsgood

    Oh Karen, you are joking, right?
    .
    I hate that guy.

  • http://www.mukherji.org MukhMan

    As an independent, let me just say that while Democrats are not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed, lack backbone, and are as ethically challenged as politicians of all parties, the Republican Party is the scum of the earth.

    I used to vote for candidates regardless of party affiliation. But in recent years, the GOP has totally alienated me. From where I stand, loyal, patriotic Ethnic Indians who follow an Eastern religion and hold moderate views are not really Americans. (By the way, my kid brother is a Marine.) You have to be white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant to be president in their eyes, even today. The only way an Indian-American can make it in the GOP is to take on very extreme right-wing views and scream them out. That’s what Bobby Jindal and Dinesh D’Souza did, and I must say it worked. The new party chairman is just a figurehead puppet who will never be accepted by the GOP base. And I am sure he is as much a feverish rightist as my “beloved” Clarence Thomas (a.k.a. The Lady’s Man). So basically, I have learned to strongly dislike the GOP as much as the GOP shuns me and my kind.

    Most Republicans I know personally and listen to on talk radio make Beavis and Butthead look like astrophysicists, and South Park look like the Brady Bunch. They don’t give a damn about the poor (even though ignorant, Christian, rural, social conservatives think they do, for whatever reason). They are mean-spirited and obnoxious. (Cheney is the devil incarnate.) They produce brilliant candidates like Palin, McCain, and our previous genius of a president himself, the big W. They discount the leadership and wisdom of people like their own Colin Powell. Plus, their spokespeople are the likes of Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Dinesh D’Souza, and Glenn Beck. Very pleasant company.

    And they wonder why they got their butts kicked in November. Now, I don’t know how much Obama will accomplish in the next four years, especially given the pile of s**t he inherited from the prior administration. But I do know that cabinet-appointee-income-tax-record-vetting aside, which I admit is a serious error in judgment, he has been showing more leadership since the morning after he was elected than any president in recent history. And that includes Reagan. (What was so great about him anyway? The Berlin Wall would have eventually fallen anyway.)

  • Karen Tumulty

    Well, this was fun. Wait until you hear my Oscar picks.

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  • stuartzechman

    You’re a blogger, KT!

  • Karen Tumulty

    SZ: You seem to be the only commenter who gets that.

  • bposullivan

    How about moving Peter Orszag over from OMB to fill both jobs? He’s been called a Paul Revere on the issue of healthcare costs, and he probably is knowledgeable enough about the issue to run circles around most opponents; he’s well-connected and well-respected on the Hill; he seems to be a better communicator than your average green-eyeshades type, having kept his own blog while running CBO; he probably has the management skills to run HHS (or else he shouldn;t be running OMB); and he has a strong deputy, Rob Nabors, who could take over his current job.

    Or, put Pete Rouse in charge of the Office of Health Care Reform, since he has a lot of Daschle’s connections and clout. Then nominate w highly respected physician like Harold Varmus to head HHS and be (perhaps together with Sanjay Gupta!) a public face of healthcare reform, while Rouse plays the inside, backroom role.

  • jdjmail

    Howard Dean would be the best possible choice. He brought complete coverage to Vermont. He also established the DNC’s 50 state strategy and web-based campaign strategy that yielded massive wins for Democratic senators, representatives and Barack Obama.

  • towandavt

    Being from Vermont I can tell you we have a good start on universal coverage, but it is not yet complete. Having said that, I can unequivocally say that Howard Dean would be the best choice as well. I don’t think he has received enough credit for his success as DNC chair, the first to use the internet as campaign tool, creating THE model system to begin universal coverage in the states and yes, even the model for SCHIP with something his predecessor Ms. Kunin originated and he enhanced, Dr. Dynasur. I wonder if his stick in the eye approach to getting the DNC chairmanship via a grassroots campaign has some of the old Clinton-McAuliffe crowd in too much of a twist and they have kept him out. My vote is for Dean (except I also wish he’d come back and run for Governor again in 2010 since Mr. Douglas doesn’t do it for me even if he has been touched by the President.)

  • towandavt

    And PS, the Dems have a deeper talent pool than the Repugs. I agree with others that a few tokens are ok, but you need a real Dem for the HHS job. Truth be told, Rommney got too much credit for the work of those good Massachusetts Dems in the legislature. He just got swept in with tide!

    I’d be surprised if Mr. Clean Jeans Dean had any tax problems, but I wouldn’t bet the farm on Romney!

  • juniusredivivus

    That would be the same Mitt Romney who recently became a national laughing-stock, lost the nomination to a doddering RINO, and wouldn’t be able to sell water in the desert to thirsty travelers whose last camel had just died 50 miles from the nearest oasis? Clearly the man possesses all the credentials one could possibly desire!

  • tcinla

    You are the single dumbest bimbo I have run across in 40 years’ involvement in politics and journalism, lady. When I consider the rest of the twentiethwits you work with in The Nation’s Media, and 30 years’ experience among world-class bimbos here in La-La Land, that’s quite an achievement, Ms. Tumulty.

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  • brightdavid

    ROMNEY is an achiever. He would do a great job as HHS Secretary or…as SECRETARY OF COMMERCE. Did a good job with healthcare here in Mass. (although I and many others didn’t like him at first) and has a head for business. Romney loves the spotlight. Even though he wants to run in 2012, I think he might accept one of these if offered. And what a BOLD CHOICE it would be for Obama. Talk about Team of Rivals!

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