SCHIP: Stalled Again

Even as the Department of Health and Human Services documents a growing demand for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, CQ Politics reports that lawmakers are again squabbling over renewing it:

Senate Republicans have ditched last year’s cooperative tone on an expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, accusing Democrats of abandoning bipartisan agreements and threatening to oppose the bill.

“Our Democratic colleagues have gone back on many of the prior agreements that were reached in creating that bill last year, making this issue more contentious than it ought to be and setting a troubling precedent for future discussions on health care reform,” Minority Leader Mitch McConnell , R-Ky., said Tuesday.

Democrats’ SCHIP bill would expand the program by $32.8 billion over four and a half years, providing coverage for some 4 million previously uninsured children, they say.

But the new bill also includes several changes to agreements that Democrats and Republicans hammered out in 2007. Senate Republicans Orrin G. Hatch of Utah and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, who split with most in their party to support legislation that was twice vetoed by President George W. Bush , protested the changes.

“I’m bitterly disappointed,” said Hatch, adding he wished Democrats had brought back the old legislation. “It represented a compromise, and laid the foundation for bipartisanship and trust,” he said. “The bill being considered this week is not that bill.”

Democrats said the changes they made were needed, and reasonable. They include eliminating a five-year waiting period for new, legal immigrant children and mothers to enroll in the program, slightly loosening identity requirements, and in some cases loosening family income limits on eligibility for SCHIP coverage.

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  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “They include eliminating a five-year waiting period for new, legal immigrant children and mothers to enroll in the program, slightly loosening identity requirements, and in some cases loosening family income limits on eligibility for SCHIP coverage. ”
    .
    On what grounds do the Rethugs oppose? Socialism?

  • greenlyfe

    Karen, do the Democrats have enough votes on this to stop a filibuster? They shouldn’t have to worry over Republican support if the caucus sticks together, right?

    Because, JMHO, but in the middle of these economic times opposing SCHIP seems stupid. And tailor made for an attack ad in 2010 linking you to Bush/Hoover.

  • shepherdwong

    “On what grounds do the Rethugs oppose?”
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    The policy works for more people and some of them aren’t white and Republican.

  • greenlyfe

    Also: If they don’t have enough votes I hope Reid grows a spine and lets them actually filibuster SCHIP.

  • textee

    Time magazine: “Even as the Department of Health and Human Services documents a growing demand for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, ….”

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    A “growing demand for the State Children’s Health Insurance Program,…”?

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    Time magazine is surprised that confiscating property from some Americans to give to other Americans produces a “growing demand” from the takers? Have you ever seen the brides rushing into stores that are giving away free wedding dresses?

  • shepherdwong

    Shorter wingnut: healthcare for children = confiscating property and free wedding dresses. What a maroon.

  • Karen Tumulty

    textee:

    I think wedding dresses aren’t quite the same things as, say, vaccinations and checkups for children. But maybe my thinking here is too linear.
    .
    Or maybe I appreciate the fact that I have decent health insurance for my kids, and think other people should, too.

  • shepherdwong

    “Or maybe I appreciate the fact that I have decent health insurance for my kids, and think other people should, too.”
    .
    That and I would appreciate kids getting checkups and vaccinations so they don’t end up being treated in a hospital when they get really, really sick. Other people should too.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Oh better yet for those who focus a little more on self interest. Health care for children so that we reduce the opportunity for bringing more disease like TB to a school near you.

  • Cliff

    Mark my words, by the end of the year we’re going to see stories out of Capitol Hill like:
    .
    “Republican Congresspeople have barricaded themselves inside the Capitol Building with AK-47s and grenades. They demand that a small child be sacrificed to them every hour on the hour, and are threatening to kill interns until their demands are met.
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    No word yet on whether the child needs to be Palestinian, Mexican, or merely poor.”

  • shepherdwong

    What do you suppose it will take for the geniuses who make up the opposition to healthcare reform to realize that every dime we put into wellness and preventative primary care is a small fortune saved in healthcare dollars spent?

  • Art Pepper

    When those cute little street urchins aren’t vaccinated, it’s a recipe for epidemics.
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    Cincy: On what grounds do the Rethugs oppose?
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    On the grounds that the Dems are now the majority.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    We shan’t even mention that diseases are communicable and that vaccinations and checkups for children benefit everyone, not just the people who are receiving them. If you’re born and raised on nothing but Conservative dogma however, its difficult to understand just how interconnected our fates actually are.

  • davemc321

    On the grounds that the Dems are now the majority.
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    No, the Repubs were pretty much opposed to SCHIP when they were in the majority. There is something providing health care access to a wider group of Americans that drives them crazy.
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    @shepherd They don’t care that preventive health care is a money saver. SCHIP is an example of government doing what it’s supposed to do and that runs counter to GOP thinking. Let the market run freely. See how well it worked out for banking and home mortgages.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Textee: Time magazine is surprised that confiscating property from some Americans to give to other Americans produces a “growing demand” from the takers?
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    I liked the Daily Show skit on SCHIP from a while back:
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    http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=109140&title=banned-aid

  • Art Pepper

    davemc321: But enough did vote to expand SCHIP the last time around. Of course not enough to override the veto. Maybe that was all for show.

  • ivb3016

    Thanks for that Daily Show link, JJ. I saw it at the time and thought it was spot on. Of course the Repubs won’t get it.
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    So, I’ve been away since last Thursday and we lost the numbers? May I hope that this is a first step to losing pagination?
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    I particularly noticed because when I started to catch up with the comments, several people made reference to other comments in the thread by number, but there were no numbers.

  • ivb3016

    And, KT was moved out of alphabetical order and is now first in line. Does that reflect her taking over more of the heavy lifting, including reading comments in posts other than her own?

  • queencersei

    The Republicans could always support SCHIP under the premise that providing health care to disadvantaged children might make the decision easier for lower income women to bring said children into the world in the first place. Isn’t that major part of the the GOP platform? But somehow when it comes to supporting someone who has actually been born is never popular with our friends across the aisle.

  • davemc321

    I suspect it was showtime, Art. But I live in Texas, where 21 percent of the children have no access to health insurance. So I’m a little cynical about Congress and health care.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    actually watched a lot of the Senate debate today over SCHIP and it was very interesting. First off Coburn basically called the Democrats, wait I am mistating this. First off Coburn CALLED the Democrats liars and said they were playing with the numbers. He went on to say that because not all of the children eligible for SCHIP are actually signed up for the program then that what they really need to do is just sign up more people, not expand the program. Then another Rethug got up there (I can’t remember his name) and complained about the compromises that you refer to in the post. According to him he is worried about adults (read mothers of the kids) being given SCHIP coverage and he said that SCHIP was just a way of getting around Medicaid funding because the states don’t have to reimburse as much when the funding is through SCHIP. Then Coburn got back up and said no kids go without preventative care because nobody could come up with a number that do. To say I wanted to reach through the Tee Vee and start choking the sh1t out of these ass holes is an understatment. And I really have to wonder what kind of dumb ass bubble they live in where they really believe that their constituents who are losing their jobs and getting kicked off of their insurance every day are going to appreciate them phucking around playing politics instead of getting the job done. They are so busy trying to focus on illegal alien kids that they would rather keep our children deprived of health care than see one child of an illegal get coverage. What a phucked up country we live in where people actually vote these kind of jack ass es into office over and over again.
    .
    Sorry for ranting

  • Karen Tumulty

    OT: Don’t want to stir things up again, but here’s media critic Somerby on that non-existent CBO report:

    http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh012709.shtml

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    K Tizzle
    .
    Somersby is full of sh!t today. And even he knows it as in the way he closes the post. The truth is the OMB themselves said it was not an official report. How does that jibe with the bullsh!t that Sommersby is shoveling? The funny thing was he had the lede up yesterday before the actual CBO official report came out and I was waiting to see how he was going to try to transition form intimating everyone who said the report didn’t exist was wrong yesterday to admitting it really wasn’t an official report today. Needless to say when boxed in he/she will find a way to still push ahead.

  • sacredh

    The democrats need better PR people. Have James Earl Jones’s voice come in over four huge letters. WWRD. Jones would solemnly pronounce “Ronnie would have wanted it this way”. Show sick, scruffy, poor white children getting vaccinations and then cut to a scene showing healthy young adults mowing the lawns, serving drinks by the pool and fawning over their saviors. The sick children of today can be the minimum wage earners of tomorrow. It might work.

  • Karen Tumulty

    sacred: the dems seem to have found a pretty good communicator.

  • sacredh

    KT: Agreed. Obama just might put Reagan to shame when it comes to communicating with the public. I can’t ever see Michelle being a Q-Tip with a wig though.

  • davemc321

    Which part set you off most, sg: the part where Somerby says a CBO report entitled ESTIMATED COST OF AMERICAN RECOVERY AND REINVESTMENT ACT OF 2009 AS PROVIDED ON THE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE actually existed? Or the part where he compares progressives’ reaction to news coverage of the existing non-existent report to Hannity, Goldberg and Coulter?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    davemc321
    .
    The part where he didn’t acknowledge that it was not an official report. Which is the whole reason why Steve Clemons and other said the “report” did not exist. Thats called intellectual dishonesty.

  • sacredh

    Davemc321: I did read Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism”. Only two things kept me from burning it. 1. A deep love of the printed word. 2. It was a borrowed copy.

  • stuartzechman

    …maybe I appreciate the fact that I have decent health insurance for my kids, and think other people should, too.
    .
    What, are you pro-America or something?
    .
    Why should you care about the rest of the folks who live here?
    .
    If other people’s kids are suffering –well, hey, whatever.
    .
    If Wisconsin gets invaded, let them fight it out themselves.
    .
    If there’s a fire in the neighborhood, let it burn (just like our pioneer ancestors did).
    .
    You’ve just got to give up on this whole “my country, my people” thing, KT. Living in the United States of America is no big deal.
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    It’s all about you. Screw your country, just like textee sez…

  • sacredh

    I just knew this would happen if Obama got elected. A thousand points of light would dazzle people and all the lefties would start crying us instead of me. If we let our guard down, peace and prosperity might break out again.

  • davemc321

    You’re a braver person than I, sacredh, trying to read Goldberg. And I admire your commitment to diversity by having friends who’d actually buy a book by Lucianne’s idiot son.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Obama may be a great communicator, but the media doesn’t seem to listen. All I heard today is how Obama is being tested, how he is trying to get Republican support, how the stimulus package has items that are not stimulus or not emergency spending. Oh and how the tax cuts are rebates for people who don’t pay taxes. What difference does it make who the communicator is if the only things the media wants to print is anything they think has a chance of creating a food fight they can cover.

  • sacredh

    The only way I can get my friend to read my crap is if I read his first. You wouldn’t believe how long I had to stand under a hot shower before I felt clean again.

  • davemc321

    Understood, sacred, though Jonah’s mewlings are readings from the Bhagavad Gita compared to the hateful tripe Mama Goldberg gave us.

  • atsegga

    The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.

    $30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
    $550 billion: U.S. Defense budget

  • gysgt213

    I know this is like day 7 or 8 of Obama’s failed presidency and the republicans have still not fully and completely just gave up, in and or surrendered as an opposition party. But I think in time things will look a lot different than they do after only a full week has gone by.

  • dfh

    greenlyfe Says:
    Karen, do the Democrats have enough votes on this to stop a filibuster? They shouldn’t have to worry over Republican support if the caucus sticks together, right?
    Could some ‘reporter’ answer this question?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Gotta love President Obama
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    via John Cole
    .

    First q from dave camp.
    First meeting with house dems was the markup.
    Can we find some more common ground on tax relief.
    .

    .
    responding to Camp) Obama says tax relief for some working families must come from payroll so even families who don’t pay income taxes get relief and they will spend it.
    .
    He said “feel free to whack me over the head because I probably will not compromise on that part.
    Obama said that there will be time to beat him up and a time for politics. He said I understand that and I will watch you on fox news and feel bad about myself.

  • Karen Tumulty

    dfh: vote counts are something that shift, and no one would say they have what they need at this point. people don’t tend to talk about that kind of stuff until right before a vote.
    .
    there are ways of getting around 60, BTW. for instance, by sticking some of it onto reconciliation legislation, which is privileged. but that bill is still a long way down the road, and it would also be sort of a corruption of the process.

  • Karen Tumulty

    also, dfh: obama’s folks have said they want a big vote on this, to show that he has changed the tone and brought in real bipartisanship. their stated goal–80ish–is probably unrealistic, but they haven’t given up on bringing in a respectable number of GOP senators.

  • shepherdwong

    “Don’t want to stir things up again, but here’s media critic Somerby on that non-existent CBO report:”
    .
    Bob’s gone a little around the bend shouting at corporate press inanity for more than ten years while being completely ignored (ever linked to him before?) by the press. Anyway, his 2,290 words on “THE REPORT THAT DIDN’T EXIST” doesn’t begin to address the complaint of liberals that the “CBO report said “X” about the currently proposed stimulus” is a GOP talking point designed to mislead the public and was credulously repeated without fact-checking by mainstream news sources and that this represents a very disturbing pattern (see: “61 released GITMO terrorists return to battlefield,” “Pelosi Says Birth Control Will Help Economy” – just from this week). Lather, rinse, repeat.

    Any port in a storm, I guess.

  • Karen Tumulty

    shepherd:

    i have indeed linked to bob, and he has even been known to comment in swampland. he has also, on occasion, been highly critical of my work. (i have also seen his stand-up comedy, which i highly recommend.)

  • shepherdwong

    Thanks, KT. He is one tough customer. Unfortunately, I’m not in his ‘hood very often.

  • shepherdwong

    BTW, when I did live there, I met you once. You were stepping onto the elevator right after moderating The Big Con and remarked that you were just relieved that no food was thrown. I pointed out that ham salad made for lousy projectile…

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Katon Dawson for RNC chair!
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    Is there any other way to read this personal ancedote of his other than to believe that he thinks we still should have segregation?
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    http://www.cas.sc.edu/poli/WestForum/OtherInterviews/031117DawsonSCRepChair/PrestonSeminar%20Dawson%20031117%20Text.htm
    .

    I’ve always been involved in politics. And I guess it goes all the way back to my school career and education. I, in the 1960s was a product of school segregation, where we took our schools and completely disbanded them, and made racial equality. Fifty-Fifty. And the kids had no choices. They closed Booker T. Washington, Blease, down here. A pretty good school. Closed it and sent the students to A. C. Flora, across town. And they did it over the summer because the laws had been changed by the politicians. And, the day that school opened, we were on CBS news with the busses turned upside down, and one of them lit on fire. By folks who didn’t want to go to school there. Not folks who did.
    .
    The end of that story was, I was standing in a bathroom in public school… This scar over here [pointing to his forehead] was from a baseball bat. I will tell you it was a pretty harsh environment. Government reached into my life and grabbed me and shook me at the age of fifteen. I remember how blatant it was that government just thought that they knew better, that government just thought they knew better what to do in my school. And I can’t say it was so much racial. I can say that people had a lot of stuff thrust on them because politicians thought they knew better. Whether they did or didn’t, I don’t know. But from that day on I’ve always been politically active, and wanted my voice heard.

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    What fool would recount such a story even if it was all true at a time when the GOP claims to be reaching out to minorities?

    (h/t Kagro X)

  • Karen Tumulty

    shepherd:

    i remember that!

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Ooops just noticed that was from 2003, guess he never thought it would come back to bite him in the arse.

  • shepherdwong

    I should point out that it would have been Bill Kristol wearing the luncheon buffet, not you Karen.

  • dfh

    Guess I am not going to get anywhere with Karen. Do any of the commenters know how many GOP senators voted for this bill the first time that may vote for it again? Obama may wish that the Republicans will act like grownups but I just want to see kids get to go to the doctor.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    OT — Why does MSNBC insist on pairing partisan spokespeople with members of the media? Are they implying that a partisan on the right and a journalist is the same thing as balance? Obviously, the wingnuts would agree but Michelle Bernard is a tall and stunning black woman who is also politically on the right (none of this center right stuff — she’s just shy of a wing nut) so pairing her with Jean Cummings — still leaves no one to give the lefts point of view. I thought balance was a big deal for you media types — has that changed?

  • ivb3016

    Dee, that is done on NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN as well. Meet the Press operated that way throughout the entire Bush administration. Check Media Matters for America. They actually counted the number of conservatives or Repub columnists vs any centrist. Liberals are non-persons in this context.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    KT: and it would also be sort of a corruption of the process.

    So you’re suggesting that there’s a part of the process that is _not_ corrupt?

  • gysgt213

    “i have indeed linked to bob, and he has even been known to comment in swampland.”
    .
    To KT’s credit (not that she needs it from me) she is one of the very few mainstream journalist who has never been afraid to link to critics of hers and conduct her self in a professional manner when communicating with them. I have seen some of thin skin emails that Glenn gets from others in the press when he hits their work.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    There is a guy in the House right now riding out the GOP on CSPAN. Yall have to see this. Rep George Miller!

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Dee & ivb: I suggested the other day that we could / should start our own Internet TV channel, if we don’t like the viewpoints presented by the mainstream. But it was mercilessly shot down; apparently, Maddow and someone else are good enough. But fie on that, I say. Fork them – as in FOSS software projects. So what if we have Maddow, or even Colbert on the Comedy Channel. What would it hurt to have another option with a different voice? The non-rabid viewpoint would still be _way_ under-represented in terms of the number of broadcasters.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Seriously, I hope yall caught that. Dude was going the eff off.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    ivb3016 — I get it liberal need not apply. However, while I am offended about the pairing of conservatives and centrists, it seems it is worse lately. Since the election MSNBC has gone out of its way to pair conservatives with other journalists who frankly are following conservative talking points. Today they were even skipping the pretense altogether and pairing two conservatives twice on hard ball.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    SG– didn’t mover fast enough to catch Miller but I like the little guy DeFazio from Oregon flailing his arms yelling tax cuts tax cuts tax cuts never built a road or a bridge in this country.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    davemc321
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    Did we ever hear back from Joke Line?

  • formerlyjames

    Late to the party and too much to read.
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    “I’m bitterly disappointed,” said Hatch
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    Adjust to it. Obama was on Capitol Hill because of America’s same sentiment about the phoney Repub issues. Let’s not spend money on child preventive health care. We’ll deal with that later. Immigrant children? Let them eat tortillas.
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    Just scanning the news, I am happy that Obama ain’t gonna stick in the Oval Office, but will go visit America and even the idiot congress. Disappointed with Hillary’s come out party with standard foreign policy nonsense, posturing that Isreal has a right to defend itself. That line is beginning to stink as much as the bodies of the childred buried under the rabble in Gaza. Also, kudos to Obama for appealing to Arabs on their very own teevee. Mr. President, couldn’t you do better than Hillary for foreign affairs?
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    Just a few thought for today. Proud and happy with President Obama, a little discouraged with the nitwits he has to deal with. I am confident he will prevail.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Good point, gysgt213– and Somersby is about 25 times more annoying than Greenwald.

  • wvng

    sgw, I missed that. I did however see PBS’ Nightly News cover Obama’s visit to the Hill. They interviewed about 6 republicans at length, spinning spinning spinning, and Pelosi was the lone Dem who apparently has a voice worth listening to – briefly. They did have a brief clip of President Obama.
    .
    Used to be I could watch PBS, but it has really gotten more difficult.

  • Aaron

    Senate Republicans are angry that Harry Reid is considering the House bill (HR 2) passed on January 14, rather than the current Senate Bill (S 275). I’m not certain if the differences mentioned are all of the functional differences in the two bills, but there is always the possibility that Orrin Hatch may want some say in passing an update to the program he started. Of course, if the Senate passes a bill the same or close to the same as the House version, the bill becomes a law much faster.
    .
    18 Republicans voted for SCHIP last time:
    Alexander (R-TN)
    Bond (R-MO)
    Coleman (R-MN)
    Collins (R-ME)
    Corker (R-TN)
    Domenici (R-NM)
    Grassley (R-IA)
    Hatch (R-UT)
    Hutchison (R-TX)
    Lugar (R-IN)
    Murkowski (R-AK)
    Roberts (R-KS)
    Smith (R-OR)
    Snowe (R-ME)
    Specter (R-PA)
    Stevens (R-AK)
    Sununu (R-NH)
    Warner (R-VA)
    .
    With 58 Democrats, I’d say the five easiest Republican votes would be Susan Collins & Olympia Snowe (the last Republicans in New England have to own their moderation), Richard Lugar (persuadable), Arlen Specter (election in 2010), and Kit Bond (retiring). Obviously, Senate Democratic leadership knows how many votes Orrin Hatch and Chuck Grassley carry with them better than I do, which is why I assume Harry Reid is bringing the House bill forward.
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    I’m sorry, dfh. Does this answer your question?

  • http://www.whereistheoutrage.net/wordpress/2009/01/27/whats-going-on-news-roundup-13/ Where’s the Outrage? » What’s going on – News Roundup

    [...] Thanks to still more Republican objections, progress on S-CHIP has stalled once [...]

  • davemc321

    Just checked my email, sg, and nope, nothing from JK. But then, I wasn’t expecting anything.
    .
    Joe can explain himself. That’s not my job. (Though I’m up for hire if anyone is interested.)

  • FlownOver

    See, that’s the thing about compromise – you never know whether you’ll wind up with a better or worse result later. Senate Republicans should have helped to override Bush’s veto last time, but they overplayed their hand and now they can just live with the consequences.
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    Go ahead and push the current version, and let the Republicans try to block it on the grounds that it makes it too easy to provide health insurance to poor children. Win or lose, they weaken their prospects for 2010.
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  • formerlyjames

    FlownOver, to me, the Repubs are whithering away. Family planning, children’s health care, on top of the outrageous agenda for the past 8 years. Is the Republican Party in the death throes? Is this a last gasp? Will there be an alternative? Stay tuned.

  • sacredh

    formerlyjames: Palin launched a political action committee today. Death throes has my money.

  • buddenbooks

    The Democrats still don’t seem to realize they WON and won pretty big. So why do they have to cave? What’s wrong with standing up for caring for your fellow human beings, doing stuff that’s good for ordinary Americans, reaching out to US instead of giving in to Republicans. Be cordial, be polite, but don’t put Republicans before ordinary Americans.
    Now gone: mass transit, Medicaid coverage of birth control, better Schip for kids.

  • FlownOver

    I dibs “Permanent Republican Majority” as the new name for my garage band. We suck too.

  • shepherdwong

    “To KT’s credit (not that she needs it from me) she is one of the very few mainstream journalist who has never been afraid to link to critics of hers and conduct her self in a professional manner when communicating with them.”
    .
    More, I think she is in the vanguard of the coming (long overdue) reform of corporate journalism. It’s going to be a 360 proposition from now on and she is trend-setting in her industry for that future, rather than clinging to the one-way model of the past.

  • gysgt213

    “The Democrats still don’t seem to realize they WON and won pretty big.”
    .
    It is often said that one should never under estimate the democrats’ ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And its absolutely true. They do not have the ability to frame narratives in simple terms and send out point people who stay on message.
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    This is all just my personal opinion, but to me it seems that the GOP and their operatives fully understand that they have a very limited amount time and space when they are making their case to a reporter or talking head. They also understand that the majority Americans want simple take aways that they can understand. So their messages are always in soundbite form. (Tax cuts, big government, pro life, flag pin.)
    .
    The democrats on the other hand send out people who give long convulted defenses of their positions and instead of making a good case they wind up boring the interviewer, stepping on their own messages and running out of time.

  • ivb3016

    gunny is right about the few Democratic messengers being unable to deliver a correct, concise message. However, after I responded to Dee yesterday, I watched Hardball and there were the two Repubs commenting on teh evil stimulus (and how lovely Obama was compared with the evil Pelosi) and why it was all wrong and their version should be passed.
    .
    I had listened to NPR all day and only heard one Democratic voice and that was a one sentence comment from David Obie late in the day. Apart from that, all Repubs. I wish I could go back to 2001 and compare coverage of Bush in his first days — I can’t remember any Dems presenting any opposition in January. Can’t remember in the second term when he was spending his capital on Social Security hearing non-stop Dem opposition.

  • Karen Tumulty

    ivb:

    as i recall there was plenty of loud democratic opposition–all over the media–until greenspan testified that tax cuts would be good, and that the real danger to the economy was (it seems almost surreal to say this) the BUDGET SURPLUS.
    .

  • Karen Tumulty
  • ivb3016

    Thanks, KT. As I said, I couldn’t remember. So many words have washed over my brain since then! And, Greenspan…

  • Karen Tumulty

    and, yes, the democratic opposition to his social security plan was loud from the beginning — which is one reason it never went anywhere. they also — wisely — refused to put any alternative of their own on the table.
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    Here’s what I wrote in real time on that score:
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    http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1018052,00.html

  • ivb3016

    KT, thanks for those links. I was amused in the bbc link when Greenspan says the most important thing to him is paying down the debt, then he allowed Bush to run up the biggest debt in history!
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    Your article on the social security plan was excellent. You clearly set forth the issues and showed the talking points were wrong.

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