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Indian Summons

Laura Rozen has an absolutely fascinating report at the Foreign Policy website about India’s campaign not to be part of Richard Holbrooke’s special envoy brief. Apparently, the Indians were alarmed by Barack Obama’s suggestion, in a late October interview with me, that there needed to be a regional solution to the Afghan problem, including a U.S.-induced resolution of the fierce, 60-year Kashmir dispute between India and Pakistan.

There was ultimate good strategic sense behind Obama’s thinking: Kashmir is at the heart of Pakistan’s support for various Islamic extremist groups, including the  Afghan Taliban. It was the original “k” in the acronym that accounts for Pakistan’s name (the “P” stood for Punjab and the “A” for the Afghan-border northwest tribal areas), but was grabbed by India in a dodgy bit of business during the partition mayhem of 1947. As far as the Indians are concerned, there’s nothing to negotiate. ADD: Reader pneogy offers this Stimson Center link for Kashmir background.

Rozen’s piece is interesting on several counts: It shows India’s increasing sophistication about the Washington national-lobby game (which was pioneered and perfected in previous generations by the Israelis and Taiwanese). And it demonstrates just how difficult Holbrooke’s brief is going to be: Obama was caught in the public commission of a truth–for Afghanistan to settle down on a long-term basis, Pakistan is going to have to turn away from sponsoring Islamic extremist groups…which won’t happen until there is some resolution of the historic Kashmir mess. For the moment, though, that will have to be done surreptitiously, if at all. One wonders how many more decades it takes before the world sorts out the problems caused by the feckless drawing of borders by European colonialists.

More on Pakistan: The Washington Post has a good assessment of the emerging Obama policy toward Pakistan–continue the effective Predator strikes against terrorist targets in the Northwest Frontier areas on the one hand, while rebalancing U.S. aid to Pakistan, away from the untrammeled military aid of the Bush Administration, most of which was used by the Pakistanis to build up their arms on the Indian front, and toward more economic and humanitarian development projects:

Bush’s focus on military aid to a Pakistani government that was led by an army general until August eventually drew complaints in both countries that much of the funding was spent without accountability or, instead of being used to root out terrorists, was diverted to forces intended for a potential conflict with India. A study in 2007 by the Center for Strategic and International Studies reported that economic, humanitarian and development assistance under Bush amounted to no more than a quarter of all aid, less than in most countries.

The criticism helped provoke a group of senators who now have powerful new roles — Joseph R. Biden Jr., Clinton and Obama — to co-sponsor legislation last July requiring that more aid be targeted at political pluralism, the rule of law, human and civil rights, and schools, public health and agriculture.

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    Very trenchant comment about the European colonialists. It is also to be noted that the US is responsible for NONE of those borders. Hence the futility of the US trying to repair these situations on our own, and primarily in a military manner. Funny but the culprits are almost always the Brits, and is that not one reason that Blair was so eager to do whatever W. deluded himself into? The rest seem to be Turkish in origin. It says here the UK and Turkey need their feet held to the fire, by the UN, the US and the international community, and they need to get some skin in the game, especially in Israel/Palestine where they are both clearly to blame. In Kashmir, of course, not only the Brits need to be brought in, but China as well, given that their policy interests are at stake. If the Obama method is to find some way to get the people who need to be there around the table, and pay some attention to how things got the way they are, that could lead somewhere good.

  • smartpeopleiknow

    The criticism of borders badly drawn by Europeans is a valid one. The question is: what to do now? The Europeans are not preventing these borders from being redrawn, are they.

    Borders aside — and this is a big aside — having a broader regional focus can yield much bigger benefits in the region for everyone. For there is more at stake than terrorism.

  • rose83

    Joe, could you comment on the Mexico situation?
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    MEXICO CITY (AP) — Indiscriminate kidnappings. Nearly daily beheadings. Gangs that mock and kill government agents.
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    This isn’t Iraq or Pakistan. It’s Mexico, which the U.S. government and a growing number of experts say is becoming one of the world’s biggest security risks.
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    The prospect that America’s southern neighbor could melt into lawlessness provides an unexpected challenge to Barack Obama’s new government. In its latest report anticipating possible global security risks, the U.S. Joint Forces Command lumps Mexico and Pakistan together as being at risk of a “rapid and sudden collapse.”

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    I’ve heard almost nothing about Mexico in a national security context, except on immigration of course. Is this as serious as it sounds?

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  • pneogy

    “It was the original “k” in the acronym that accounts for Pakistan’s name (the “P” stood for Punjab and the “A” for the Afghan-border northwest tribal areas), but was grabbed by India in a dodgy bit of business during the partition mayhem of 1947.”

    Joe, your attempt to sum up the sixty-year-old Kashmir dispute in terms of an acronym and a ‘dodgy bit of business’ is a bit cavalier. I’m sure you’re better informed than that, but some of your readers might be misled.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Nice, meaty piece, Joe.
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    I don’t know enough to even ask this, but I will anyway. Could Kashmir be an independent state? Would that be a viable compromise?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    pneogy–
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    Can you enlighten us (and Joe) further?

  • pneogy

    jackroyd, you might like to take a look at http://www.stimson.org/southasia/?SN=SA2001112045

  • pneogy

    jayackroyd, sorry I misspelled your name.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    thanks. And don’t worry about it. Everybody misspells my name.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Hey! Joe! That link of pneogy’s is worth putting into an update.

  • wvng

    This thread almost defines the ability of blogs to create substantive and expanding conversations. Please keep it going!

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    This thread also highlights the growing need for U.S.-based media (blogs included) to include the voices of foreign journalists, not just Americans. No offense to Joe Klein; it’s a matter of perspective, not expertise.

  • wvng

    jay and pneogy – Joe added your link midway in his post.
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    OT, but anyone else notice how nice it is to say and hear and type President Obama? And to hear and watch him speak from the White House in his first weekly address: 01/24/09: President Obama’s Weekly Address

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Thanks Joe.

  • bitterpill8

    Kashmir can make a good case for being treated as a “nation” or a “state”. Having Hindus and Muslims gave India and Pakistan an excuse to grab themselves a part. But Kashmiris think of themselves as “distinct”. Well the Sikhs in Punjap do. So if we allow everyone to claim a certain distinctiveness then we will never settle the Ag-Pak-Kash-Hind problem. Another problem for Kashmire: no access to the the sea.

    Maybe we should push to get everyone to agree that, in spite of history, let’s go with the borders we have and work out resolutions. (I don’t think the Palestinians will buy that because Israel has messed up that issue with its settlements.

    The curse is regional, ethnic and religious politics. Blaming the Brits just detracts of the problem at hand.

  • bitterpill8

    Sorry for errors

  • sevenoaks07

    bitter: here’s my take:

    India: democratic elections since 1949; peaceful change of government but two emergencies. But Parliamentary govt continuous.

    Pakistan: Democratic elections, army coups, disctatorships; financial basket case; unwritten by US$.

    Afghanistan: Wow, where to begin. Major revenue source: drugs; major govt actors: warlords and chiefs plus Russian occupation.

    Now I can see why india does not want to play in the Holbrooke Symphony.

  • WisconsinLiberal

    the idea of an independent Kashmir has been out there for a while. the problem is the the people of Kashmir (Kashmiri?) themselves can’t agree on what they want, there are three separate factions in Kashmir itself as well, some want to join India others Pakistan and some are for an independent Kashmir, its an unholy mess.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    Bitter-
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    Understanding history is not necessarily an exercise in blaming. It’s a way to untangle unpleasant legacies (colonialism, slavery, genocide) in order to (1) set things right and (2) prevent future recurrence. It would seem to me that involving the original actors in devising solutions would be more productive in the long run than excluding them.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    for Afghanistan to settle down on a long-term basis, Pakistan is going to have to turn away from sponsoring Islamic extremist groups…which won’t happen until there is some resolution of the historic Kashmir mess. For the moment, though, that will have to be done surreptitiously, if at all. One wonders how many more decades it takes before the world sorts out the problems caused by the feckless drawing of borders by European colonialists.
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    Two points: first, it’s not clear that the US can work to “resolve” the Kashmir situation, if the facts on the ground and political will and leadership isn’t there. Nor is it clear that the US should have such a role.
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    Second, I read that last sentence to imply that the natural state of things is peace and prosperity, which is where we’d be but for European misadventures. I’m not so sure that’s the case.
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    Now, obviously, we can make progress over time. Europe 2009 is quite a bit more congenial than Europe 1968 or 1938 or 1918. But it’s not clear that US diplomatic inducements are the way to provide a “resolution of the historic Kashmir mess.”
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    India has a rapidly growing economy and is a rising military power with a very shrewd and capable diplomatic corps. And it’s the world’s largest democracy. I don’t understand why the Rise of India doesn’t get nearly the attention of the Rise of China. (I don’t mean to slight Pakistan vs. India– just saying, India is, like, really big).

  • sevenoaks07

    wl,j and ee: thanks for some very helpful comments. I think India does not command our attention because Pakistan and Afghanistan take up all the time. The Mumbai Massacre, in a sad way, made many Americans aware of that part of the world.

    But I agree: we need all the players, past and present to be helpful and work out a modus vivendi. Now I get down on my knees and pray. That’s about all that is left.

  • Art Pepper

    Very informative post, Joe – thanks. It’s well time that Americans (leaders and ordinary citizens alike) starting learning about the regions of our various conflicts.
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    And thanks everyone for the informative comments!

  • larch

    From a purely strategic perspective, it seems like we could effectively cut the legs out from under both the Mexican & Taliban/extremist issues in one stroke by legalizing drugs, thereby depriving the respective groups of their funding sources. The more countries legalize, the greater the effect.
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    There’d still be plenty of underlying issues to address — cultures of corruption, lack of education, fundamentalism, addiction — but without funds to buy the guns & support followers the impact would be limited. Plus we’d free up a bunch of ‘War on Drugs’ money for more productive uses.

  • larch

    As far as Kashmir is concerned, we do have a big lever use towards — and a vested interest in — stability in that region, thanks to the tremendous involvement of Western companies there, particularly in India.
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    The last thing financial and retail companies need is their customer service & technology operations hit with a Mumbai-type operation. And the last thing the governments need is for Western companies to pull their operations due to a perceived risk of that happening.
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    One small benefit of outsourcing….

  • kartikeyadate

    “One wonders how many more decades it takes before the world sorts out the problems caused by the feckless drawing of borders by European colonialists.”

    Does one really? Inspite of the “special relationship”? Inspite of a desire to get involved with the Kashmir “dispute”?

    The state of the modern world today is such that it is nearly impossible to find words and sentences devoid of hypocrisy in describing it.

  • http://whitecap.wordpress.com/ bseshasai

    As an Indian but staying in US for some years, probably I can venture some opinion here. There is a very pragmatic reason why US should display more interest but not MEDIATE this issue, lest it should end up in a situation like Middle East. Any kind of mediation on this issue by US would likely ignite more nationalism in the region and more people who may hate US instead of appreciating some help. I think Clinton understood this and clearly made an statement that this should be resolved bilaterally.

    While India may have gained some lobbying skills, I have seen not any mainstream pundit or politician expressing some authority on this issue lately except Fareed Zakaria. So the leadership, media and public opinion still remain murky.

    While Pakistan remains a failed state, it is kind of futile to expect a resolution. Most of my friends agree that this issue can be resolved if we can see a civilian government in Pakistan for 2 decades continously. Why 2 decades? It seems the military can’t keep its hands of government every few years.
    Although I came to detest Pakistan’s military, ISI and its leadership, I feel nothing antagonistic against its people. Except NWFP, Pakistan is a fertile region with scope to much industrial prosperity. It is a pity that it is reduced to such a state by its leadership.

  • Cliff

    rose – Thanks for bringing Mexico up. I’d love to hear someone, anyone, ask why we’ve spent hundreds of billions in Iraq while Mexico is turning into a failed state.
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    And I think Larch’s point about the Drug War plays into it. No one’s allowed to talk about the War on Drugs in the media, which means that no one’s allowed to talk about how it’s not okay to have drug lords beheading law enforcement officials.

  • truthisbitter

    President Obama said “being the most powerful country doesnt entitle us to do whatever we wish”..Similarly we shouldnt condone what India is doing in Kashmir just because it is the largest democracy.

    Half a million troops to police a few million people, no access to human rights organizations and red Cross, Armed Forces Act( Troops can kill with impunity), mass graves(Indians refused to investigate) , thousands of disappeared, summary extra-judicial killings, doesnt really speak
    + well of a democracy. Kashmiris have watched world overlook their miseries over last 2 decades with helplessness.

    Final resolution of Kashmir is must for peace in the region. President Obama understands it.

    (I am of Kashmiri origin and have been living in US since 1997)

  • juniusredivivus

    “One wonders how many more decades it takes before the world sorts out the problems caused by the feckless drawing of borders by European colonialists.”

    You’d think that even the most stupid American would realize that said drawing of borders occurred 60 years ago, and was a desperate attempt to defuse a particularly nasty civil war between Hindus and Muslims. But no, India and Pakistan are under no obligation to shoulder the responsibilities of freedom – they and the Americans can always blame the English! This pathetic refusal to grow up is why the subcontinent remains corrupt, ineffective and incapable of achieving any sort of stability.

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