Obama Gives GTMO One Year, Forces CIA to Follow Army Field Manual

Just now in a signing ceremony in the Oval Office, where red apples were displayed in a large bowl, Obama followed through with two of his campaign promises: He signed an order mandating that the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, be closed within a year. He also ordered that all agencies of Government (read: the CIA) abide by the interrogation rules prescribed by the Army Field Manual. “We believe that we can abide by a rule that says we don’t torture,” Obama said, surrounded by retired military leaders who opposed President Bush’s enhanced interrogation techniques. “We are not — as I said in the Inauguration — going to continue with a false choice between our safety and our ideals.”

UPDATE: At a background briefing happening now, a senior administration official explains that a task force will be set up to review the issue of extraordinary rendition, and also to review the possibility of developing a separate interrogation policy for intelligence agencies. The possibility of a separate interrogation policy for intelligence agencies was recently floated by Dianne Feinstein, the new Democratic head of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

FURTHER UPDATE: The official just made clear that any separate interrogation policy would not allow “different techniques” from the Army Field Manual. “We need a protocal that may be more appropriate for the intelligence scenario than for the battlefield scenario,” the official said. “That doesn’t mean reintroducing techniques that are inconsistent with the Army Field Manual.” The briefing is still ongoing. Will update as appropriate.

ANOTHER UPDATE: While Obama studies the rendition policy, renditions may continue, the official says. But there will be limits. “There is not going to be rendition to any country that engages in torture,” the official said.

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  • Cliff

    THANK YOU

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Adults in charge. Finally.

  • Andy from MA

    Much much bigger story than the gotcha post earlier MS.

  • sacredh

    Break out the polish. Let’s put a little bit of the shine back on our principles.

  • http://policingwingnutwelfare.blogspot.com/ JJ

    Did Joe Klein see this?

    TICE: The National Security Agency had access to all Americans’ communications — faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications. And it didn’t matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made any foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications. […] But an organization that was collected on were U.S. news organizations and reporters and journalists.

    OLBERMANN: To what purpose? I mean, is there a file somewhere full of every e-mail sent by all the reporters at the “New York Times?” Is there a recording somewhere of every conversation I had with my little nephew in upstate New York? Is it like that?

    TICE: If it was involved in this specific avenue of collection, it would be everything. Yes. It would be everything.

    Makes you wonder about John Kerry’s 2004 campaign phone calls.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Somewhere Joe Scarborough is pissing his pants.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    MS — I can’t help but wonder if your inclusion of the shiny red apples visual was less about providing us with context and more about an allusion to apples for the teacher whose lesson about our ideal allows us to once again hold our heads high.

  • gysgt213

    “Somewhere Joe Scarborough is pissing his pants.”
    .
    Joe is too busy trying to convince his viewers that no one really knows and Mika his lovely side kick is going..that’s an issue is not written down any where.

  • sqr1

    Let’s not start blowing each other just yet. As others have noted, the AFM has modified sufficiently to permit practices that, in the aggregate amount to torture. Don’t get me wrong. A good message has been sent. But the devil is in the details.

  • ilikechips

    It’s not luck we haven’t been attacked since 9/11. Way to go appeaser in chief. Let the terrorists go, or at least lock em up in every libs back yard.

    ” Obama won, I want my mortgage and gas paid…where’s my check”

  • Friar Tuck

    Didn’t take the man long to start driving the truck out of the ditch, did it?

  • Cliff

    Somewhere Joe Scarborough is pissing his pants.
    .
    sg, that could be said about almost any time of the day.

  • michaelscherer

    updated above.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It’s not luck we haven’t been attacked since 9/11
    .
    Ah but we HAVE been attacked – details.
    .
    Apparently Joe Scarborough isn’t the only one with bladder control problems.

  • queencersei

    I read that Obama was also going to go back and expand what interrogation techniques will be allowed in the Army Field Manual. So while this is a good start, I am waiting to see if there will be changes made to the AFM and what those changes will be.

  • http://nicewhitelady.blogspot.com/ joyomama

    chips –
    .
    We haven’t been attacked, unless you count insider attacks (anthrax) or if by “we” you omit the rest of the world, including Spain, London, Bali and Mumbai. Let’s give this a try: living by our own values instead of those of terrorists and dictators. My guess is that no approach will be 100% effective, in which case I’d prefer the ones that leave us with some moral authority in the world.

  • fense

    ilikechips,
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    Not torturing people is appeasement? I thought it was the law.
    .
    Bush hasn’t made us any safer. Between the war in Iraq and Gitmo, Bush has converted more people to terrorism than Osama Bin Laden could have ever hoped for in his wettest dreams.
    .

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla
  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Wait, does this mean 9/11 didn’t change everything? Because I specifically remember that it did. Change everything.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    ilikechips
    .
    You just keep on keeping on, I love your spunk! lol

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    While Obama studies the rendition policy, renditions may continue, the official says.
    .
    It would seem that every opinion you have needs to be revisited once you have sufficient security clearance to know what’s really been going on….

  • Andy from MA

    chips (laughing and pointing)

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Paul D
    .
    I don’t recall Obama ever speaking out against rendition except in the cases where it was for torture(as we have all been reminded Clinton was the one who started renditions in the first place). And this quote is pretty consistent if you ask me.
    .

    “There is not going to be rendition to any country that engages in torture,” the official said.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Check out The Pips behind Gladys.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Re the garbage post prior to this…will you be spending the rest of the afternoon transcribing RNC emails and talking points for future posts, or will you be busy writing a post about the NSA eavesdropping on journalists?

  • gysgt213

    “It would seem that every opinion you have needs to be revisited once you have sufficient security clearance to know what’s really been going on”
    .
    There is a major story brewing on the past practices of the previous administration. Some much of their conduct was clearly criminal that there is going to a point where it can not be hidden any longer. And a lot of members of the media instead of scooping it are going to find themselves or their colleagues caught up in it.
    .
    This practice of waiting for press releases from the other side or checking Drudge for what to write about is going to catch them with their pants down in a major way.

  • plukasiak

    While Obama studies the rendition policy, renditions may continue, the official says. But there will be limits. “There is not going to be rendition to any country that engages in torture,” the official said.
    _
    this was officially the Bushco policy as well. That being said, the other stuff Obama is doing suggests that, unlike with Bush, the policy will be followed through on.
    _
    (It should also be noted that the US now has a facility in Afghanistan to handle “Gitmo” type prisoners.)
    _
    The real question here is whether the US will abide by its treaty obligations with regard to detainees, and eliminate the “illegal combantant” status (until such time as a legal determination is made of criminal conduct.)

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    There is not going to be rendition to any country that engages in torture
    .
    Considering the amount of back and forth there has been over what the word ‘torture’ means, that statement carries a significant (and discomforting) amount of leeway.
    .
    My working definition is simply this. If the interrogators seem to be enjoying themselves, then we’ve already crossed the line.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    You now what kills me is that these supposedly tough azz right wingers quake in their boots at the mere thought of a terrorists. I still visit my family in New York and I live close enough to Baltimore and DC that I visit regularly so Al Qaeda is not the first thing on my mind. If I can defend the rule of law even though it might set a violent gang banger free who I’m more likely to come in contact with than a terrorist, I think you neocons can handle lotto size odds that you’ll be struck by Al Qaeda. God you guys, Joe Scarborough included are such pussies.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee
  • gysgt213

    “Would You Want Terrorists In Your Back Yard?”
    .
    I don’t that question is really worded very well. I mean, would I be having a BBQ?

  • yoshiattack

    This is one of the worst things about the Bush years…they have caused all of you to adopt a cowboy swagger of your own in regards to terrorism.
    .
    As has been noted, the likelihood of any of us getting killed in a terrorist attack is incredibly slim, and it’s also likely given what we’ve seen of terrorism before that our urban guerrillas aren’t anywhere near as advanced as in 24. (man, what an overblown show)
    .
    However, it doesn’t take “advanced” to perpetrate mass casualties. And the warnings about us being vulnerable still stand. Lest we fall into the doldrums that allowed 9-11 to happen, we need to be smart about what needs to happen and continue efforts to make America more secure.
    .
    Likely some of you might want to respond to this by ridiculing Republican efforts to prevent terrorism, etc. That’s fine, but it’s missing the point.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    I am just wondering, don’t we already have domestic terrorists locked up in prisons in this country? Is it because they are brown that the terrorists at GITMO are supposed to put extra fear in me? I mean they aren’t going to be on parole. They are going to be IN PRISON. Sheesh.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    @sgwhite – No, not true. They are going to be IN OUR BACKYARDS. Probably with pedophiles, but that’s not confirmed.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    While they are out in our backyards, I bet Tom Friedman could get them to do some composting and start an organic garden. This is exciting!

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Everybody knows how I love/hate Morning Joe well lately Joe Scarborough has been trying his best to make the case for torture. So his usual spiel goes like this. He “heard” from military folks that nowadays because they are so scared of being accused of torture that instead they just kick in the doors and start shooting. Funny thing about that, if Scarborough is correct (which isn’t likely) he has changed their offense from torture to murder. I am wondering if he will ever figure that out.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    If I’ve got terrorists in my backyard, where am I going to put the undocumented landscapers?

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Hey I’ve got an idea, lets get wingnut uber illegal immigration enforcer Sherriff Joe Arpaio to take all the detainees. He is a tough guy isn’t he? Surely he wouldn’t shirk away from that kind of responsibility.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I’m at home today with a sick kid, who suggests a good place to keep them in the backyard: a Bouncy Castle! They could just bounce and bounce and bounce all f***ing day and “get all their energy out,” which is what I used to tell him.

  • hickoryduck

    What is this bull Republicans are spewing about about having “terrorists in our backyards!!!!” Do American prisons not already hold domestic terrorists, murderers, pedophiles, rapists, etc? How stupid.

  • g_crush

    .
    ilikechips: It’s not luck we haven’t been attacked since 9/11.
    .
    We haven’t?…I guess it depends on your choice of target, right?
    .
    A$$hole.
    .
    gysgt213: I mean, would I be having a BBQ?
    .
    I doubt you’d get a strong turnout from Al Qaeda if you were having a pig roast. For them, you might want to cater or have a potluck instead.

  • dumdedumdum

    re second update, so the detainees can’t be rendered to the US?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    SG — yeah I heard Joe say that crap this morning. Isn’t there some sort of law that makes him an accessory after the fact if he doesn’t report this crime?

  • ymmartin

    Just thought I would share….as an aside, i think it speaks volumes of how unrepresentative our government can still be, when the president is the only minority – not even a woman there. Yes, pointless to mention, but it just was very striking:

    http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/22/us/22obama-600.jpg

  • formerlyjames

    While I rejoice at the order to close gitmo within 1 year, the updates on possible exceptions for spook operations is like a bucket of cold water on the celebration. Isn’t that like closing the store front and moving to an underground chamber? Rendition is as wrong as torture, nevermind the lie about no rendition to countries do torture. Rendition is an evasion of legal extradition. I would put a choke chain and leash on the CIA. But nevermind me, because my schedule for closing gitmo would have been yesterday, and that being impossible, 6 months or less.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    You know Dee, you might be on to something. Come to think of it, I would think Congress would like to hear from Scarborough on where he got this information about our troops committing murder. Hmmmmm how can we bring it to their attention?

  • Cliff

    Hey I’ve got an idea, lets get wingnut uber illegal immigration enforcer Sherriff Joe Arpaio to take all the detainees.
    .
    Pretty soon you’d find a whole bunch of graves out in the desert somewhere. He wouldn’t even bother with the pink underwear.

  • sacredh

    The previous administration (It feels so good to say that) played the fear of terrorism card for all it was worth. There is no doubt that terrorism is a threat, but it was used for the justification of anything they did. By wrapping illegal acts under the guise of protecting us, it diminished everything this nation had stood for. I wouldn’t want terrorists in my backyard. I don’t want any of the Bush crowd back there either. It’s bad enough that a coyote ran off with my neighbor’s cat, but I’d still prefer the coyotes running loose than having the wingnuts setting up shop out there.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Right out of the gate our esteemed establishment media show what a joke they really are. All the first questions are about the re taking of the oath. Chuck Todd is a bigger idiot than I had initially thought.

  • hickoryduck

    cincinnatus, Todd wouldn’t shut up about that this morning. What a hack.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    SG- It seems to me that perhaps we can get word to Eric Holder and he can tell Congressional Republicans that either they get his assurances not to prosecute Bush and the crew, the CIA and their minions or Joe but not all three so choose one. If they go with Joe, who is in a better position to help their careers than Bush, than we should at least libel.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    hickory, it seems like Chuck was just offended that he and his colleagues weren’t invited. Incorrigible morons.

  • formerlyjames

    sacredh, good point, The Bushies were a greater real threat to our country than the terrorists. The Terrorist Bush Administration.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Obama seeks delay in case of enemy combatant held in US – Yahoo! News
    .

    Al-Marri was detained by FBI agents in late 2001, three months after coming to the United States in September of that year with his family to study at a university in Illinois.
    .
    The federal agents accused him of having information that could aid the investigation into the September 11, 2001 attacks, [defense counsel Jonathan] Hafetz wrote in an opinion piece published in The Los Angeles Times in November.
    .
    In early 2002 the US government filed charges against him, claiming he had engaged in credit card fraud and lied to the FBI.
    .
    A trial date was set for July 2003, but less than a month before it was due to begin, al-Marri was transferred to a military prison in South Carolina after Bush signed an order declaring him an enemy combatant in the war on terror.
    .
    Under current US law, al-Marri could be held in the military prison without charge “for the rest of his natural life,” according to Hafetz.
    .
    A federal appeals court in July ruled that the US president has the power to keep a terrorist suspect jailed indefinitely, but that the detainee has the right to challenge his detention as an “enemy combatant.

    .
    So here is a man held in a military prison since 2001 (it is now 2009), accused of credit card fraud and lying to FBI two years later, and before trial for those offenses, declared an enemy combatant and has been languishing in a South Carolina prison since 2003 (it is now 2009) without charge.
    .
    What was that David Gregory was saying the other day? Oh, yeah, the WHPC did “a good job” and “asked all the right questions.” Right.
    .

  • hickoryduck

    I don’t understaaaaaaaaaaaaaand. Who is stupid enough to think that just because Gitmo is closed, ALL these suspects will suddenly just be let go and free to roam?

    *bangs head*

  • James, Los Angeles
  • formerlyjames

    James LA, so al marri lied to the FBI? Ask no questions and I will tell you no lies. Credit fraud? Thought that was the American rage at the time. Expeditious trial by jury? Who says 7 years ain’t expeditious? Depends on what expeditious means. Now as President Obama has access to some secrets that justify continued unconstitutional behavior by the govenment. What is new?

  • hickoryduck

    Why are reporters such freaking babies? STILL WHINING about that stupid re-swearing. IT DOESN’T MATTER.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Well, he *was* accused of lying to the FBI, f-james. No evidence of that, of course, has ever been presented, since we no longer have habeas corpus in these United States of America, thanks to the likes of John McCain and all but about 25 people in the Senate who voted for the Military Commissions Act (MCA).
    .
    It’s a *good* thing that the Obamabites have asked for a delay to review the case. IMHO
    .

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    I was just thinking someone should bring out some milk and cookies for the WH press and pat them on the head. Doing something to make them feel important is the key…

  • cfukara

    Dear Mr/Mrs/Other ‘textee’:
    In case it escaped your attention, this is to remind you that there is a new sheriff in town.

  • hickoryduck

    cfukara – that literally made me LOL

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I don’t understaaaaaaaaaaaaaand. Who is stupid enough to think that just because Gitmo is closed, ALL these suspects will suddenly just be let go and free to roam? *bangs head
    .
    It’s pretty clear that is what will ultimately happen. None of the “confessions” are admissible. They can’t be detained without charge, and they pretty much can’t be convicted.
    .
    The burden for Obama is to persuade Americans that they are not endangered by these people.
    .

  • sacredh

    The 9/11 attacks demanded a swift and heavy response. Afghanistan was entirely justified, but the Iraq invasion undermined our credibility and proved to be a godsend for terrorists worldwide. The United States is not only a physical entity, it’s an idea. Freedom and justice for all went from being a motto of what is possible to something that was put in a box because it wasn’t convenient. In that regard, terrorists succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. If terrorists had demanded on 9/10 that we toss out our principles about the rule of law, the guarantees of freedoms and civil rights in exchange for not launching an attack on our soil, no one would have even considered it. Having our president do these things when his oath of office demands that he uphold the constitution is nothing short of treason.

  • textee

    Al Qaeda and the rest of America’s enemies have had better fortune in just the last two days than they had over the previous seven years. Obama announces an unconditional surrender to America’s enemies in Iraq and then announces that al Qaeda and America’s enemies are entitled to rights under the United States Constitution. What do members of al Qaeda do to celebrate their dear friend Obama’s actions? Smoke weed? Get drunk? Parade around in diapers? Whatever it is, they are happy, happy, happy.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    He did it. Obama called Israel out for their blockade. Goddamm right!

  • Art Pepper

    Who is stupid enough to think that just because Gitmo is closed, ALL these suspects will suddenly just be let go and free to roam?
    -
    Um, the Beltway pundits, who got it from the mouth of Cheney?

  • formerlyjames

    sg, I’m up on that news about calling Isreal for what it is, but thanks. I hope it is true. Welcome, America, to the rest of the world community, which sees mindless aggression and killing for what it is, and whoever commits it.

  • formerlyjames

    and textee, just keep the atomic bombs under cover. Hear?

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