The Bidens

As I said in Amy post, Hillary better have some of that Obama Zen. Nice save from the staff, but that won’t get the play the remark will!

What’s funny is that Biden probably perceives himself to have been offered head of everything. “I was asked to lead Hamas and bring peace to the region, but at the end of the day they wanted an Arab.”

“I coulda been a contender…”

Why did I hear a loop of the Married with Children laugh track while (unfortunately) reading this? Maybe this site could concentrate on more important issues than gaffes about palace intrigue.
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And, maybe Karen Tumulty can read this with an open mind – making sure to read the original documents from hawaii.gov – to see why I call her a liar.

KT — you might have added the staff clarification — but come on you know there is some kind of unwritten rule that above all else the media must instigate?
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The msm is like the kid who stands behind you egging you on trying ton get you to fight — did you hear what she said are you going to let her get way with that?
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Dee:

I had the staff clarification in the original post. I don’t think this one is the media’s fault.

So what?
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So what if Obama didn’t give his biggest enemy in the primaries first choice of Admin positions. BFD.
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I put this right along side warnings that he’d better play nice with the PUMAs, or else.

KT –

You’re right, to the extent you presented both sides of a non-story – particularly a non-story in light of all that’s happening right now. I’m afraid this is on the order of who asked whom to the prom, and the play it’s getting is entirely a function of the media.
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I suspect you had a hand in bringing back our Preview, though, so one free pass for you.

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KT: I don’t think this one is the media’s fault.
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Hmmm…if Clinton hasn’t made a statement declaring that she is upset, then why bring her into this? Maybe Dee has a smidgen of a point…

KT — I don’t doubt that both sides were presented. I’m suggesting that this is small bore when the moment calls for more. I’m afraid that politicians are not the only ones that will have to step up their game — I’m afraid if the msm doesn’t do a reboot the next post is going to be about the tipping point into oblivion.

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Cliff: So what?
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Exactly. I’m wondering when Obama will – in the media’s eyes – stop owing Hillary Clinton for his spectacular success.

Here is what funny about this none story story.
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Everyone is just ASSuming that Hillary would have been second choice for VP. Nothing about the story makes that so. All it really means is that there is an off chance that if Joe went for Sec of State that Hillary might have been shut out all together. But of course it makes a more juicy story to make it seem like Joe getting his choice of job kept Hillary from being VP. Then again isn’t it ironic how much import people were putting on the VP slot when Hillary didn’t get it. Then we heard how Secretary of State wasn’t that big of a deal up and until he named her Secretary of State then it turned into a story about her running a “shadow government”. Blah Blah Blah.

Signs the news items you brok on Oprah was a bad idea: 1) It was on Oprah.

While the circumstances of how this came out are bizarre and lead to speculation, the truth is that there was a well-known debate within Obama’s team of where to put Biden in either the ticket or any future Obama administration. Obama respected Biden’s desire to have a stake in foreign policy after years of influence (good or bad, doesn’t matter ) on the issue.

Hillary’s feelings on this are a different matter entirely…

http://www.political-buzz.com/

I understand Biden also let it slip that he talked privately with the voters and they preferred that he run the country, but wanted it to be from the fatherly VP role. Also, Scott Boras said he could get him a guaranteed $5 million if he wanted.

Biden’s mother just let it slip that Joe could have gotten that plane to Charlotte for an on-time arrival. USAir denies.

Here, let me make it easier for Karen Tumulty to issue a correction to her past false statement.
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On 10/12/08, Tumulty said Actually, we do [know where BHO was born]; it’s Hawaii
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The closest we’ve come to “knowing” that are:
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1. A picture on BHO’s website; no court would accept that *picture* (i.e., a picture on a website) as proof, and BHO has not only never shown the original to a court, he fought against showing it to a court.
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2. An ambiguous statement from the state of Hawaii.

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Regarding the second, read what they actually said (PDF file). There’s nothing in there confirming he was born in Hawaii; they only said he has a valid cert on file.
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Now, go read the Hawaii law that allows those born outside Hawaii to obtain valid certs. That was added in 1982.

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You don’t have to be a legal scholar to see that BHO could have a valid cert on file in Hawaii but indicating birth in another state or country. That doesn’t mean that he wasn’t born in Hawaii.

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However, it does mean that those – like Tumulty – who claim that where he was born is known are lying.

Breaking. Teen Beat blog quoting Joe’s granddaughter as saying he was cast as the fourth Jonas brother (“Joe”), but declined in order to spend more time with his family. Jonas mother and father deny.

Siren! In “Doorpersons Weekly,” Joe’s doorman says the VP confided in him that he always wanted to be a doorman, but decided not to, but has a ton of respect for doormen and whatnot. Developing …
 
I will stop when I want to; not a moment sooner.

Here we have another example of one of The Rules that govern how the media behave: no opportunity to attack, belittle, slander, harangue, or otherwise diminish a Clinton is to be passed up under any circumstances. Inventing, twisting, distorting, even straight reporting — otherwise the last thing any of these people want to do — are all allowed, as long as it’s in the service of tarnishing anything and everything Clinton.

I’m curious to see if these people keep it up when she’s acting as SoS, a position that is the face of America to much of the world. A few months ago common sense would have said no, that diminishing such a key figure at this moment in time is too foolish even for our media. But then again, our media people are pretty f*ckin’ foolish.

This will give Maureen Dowd something to write about this week. It’s like Hillary finds out one of her friends rejected the guy she is dating, before they started dating, but after she totally gushed about the guy to said friend. [insert tired pop culture reference+Clintonfreude here]

According to a guy in a bar, VP Joe Biden confided that he could and would hit that, but declined to do so. Miss Thang denied.

I had Obama’s original birth certificate. teste stole it and photoshopped it to make it look fake. Obama’s great Aunt Tilly also had a library book that was three weeks overdue. Why is the press ignoring this story?

You know this story is going nowhere when Tweety (he of the thrill up his leg) did not push this with his unusual enthusiasm for all things Clinton (in the negative mode, of course) even with the ever complicit Howard Fineman in place. All we have learned is that both Bidens can be indiscreet. From the excerpt I saw of the Oprah Show Biden looked like a guy who had just broken wind. His wife had already done that. Oh Joe woe is me.

ESPN: According to guy who sat next to VP on Amtrak, Biden claims to have been selected as replacement for Charles Barkley in Dwayne Wade’s Fave Five. D-Wade denies.

kattest – if it’s a false document, then why would they even bother being ambiguous about it? If this is some grand coverup that’s managed to escape the notice of the authorities, even up to the day before the Inauguration, then why would they issue an ambiguous statement?
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Why not just flat-out lie about it?

Exactly. I’m wondering when Obama will – in the media’s eyes – stop owing Hillary Clinton for his spectacular success.
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grape_crush, no you’ve mixed your media cliches up. This is a classic, “Let’s humiliate Hillary Clinton and remind everyone that she’s only the first choice of crazy feminists/racists!” story.
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I don’t blame KT for writing this though. Jill Biden walked right into it. (And I really like her – she’s not a politician or professional political spouse so she doesn’t know how to avoid falling into media traps.)

Cliff: I didn’t say anything was a false document. I simply said the “case” hasn’t been proven. Those who say it’s been proven are lying. They’re basing their decision on faith, and not on the facts.
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For instance, if Karen Tumulty had said, “I believe BHO when he says he was born in HI” this wouldn’t be an issue.
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However, Karen Tumulty stated flat-out that BHO was born in HI, as if it were a fact.
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If Barack Smith tried to prove he was born in HI based on what we’ve seen so far, he’d be laughed out of court. That doesn’t mean he’s lying. That just means that anyone who says that it’s a fact that he was born in HI is doing so based on faith.

Rose 83: I can see your point but is Mrs Biden such an innocent? She has been married to one of the Senate’s most garrulous and gaffe prone pols. If she has not absorbed anything all these years past then she has lived in a cocoon. Surely she must know that when on tv the SOP is to get the guest to make a 5 star boo boo. I think you deference shows your very generous approach to politcs. If Mrs Biden does not understand her husband’s politics ( talking off the cuff etc) the she has not learned much, has she?

kattest:

Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Rabbi Cohen: “Biden claims also to have been chosen.” Lord denies.

KT. I admire your dedication in trying to set the record straight about Obama’s birth certificate, but you do realize that if it isn’t the birth certificate it’s going to be something else and then something else and then something else? I’ve been telling people that I voted for Obama because I was convinced he wasn’t a natural born citizen and thought an “outside” perspective was needed.

kattest123, if he were lying he’d say he was born in Ohio.
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If she has not absorbed anything all these years past then she has lived in a cocoon.
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bitterpill8, from what I’ve read of Jill Biden she does seem to have lived in a cocoon. She doesn’t live in DC, she has her own career (which she’s keeping) and as a Senator’s wife from a safe blue state and even as a prospective first lady on a campaign that was ignored by the media, she hasn’t faced that much media scrutiny.
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My guess – and this is pure speculation – is that Obama had a higher opinion of Biden than HRC when he offered him the two posts, but now he has a higher opinion of HRC after Biden ran a weak GE campaign in contrast to HRC’s tireless and relatively gaffe-free efforts. I know my opinion of Biden declined during the GE. He was like McCain: A powerful Senator with a safe seat who faced virtually no consequences when he made bad decisions or stupid statements. Some people can’t handle that lack of accountability. It seemed that both Biden and McCain had trouble adjusting to the demands of a competitive campaign.
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pourme, I’m guessing he was also offered the fourth spot on the American Idol judges panel.

It’s completely unimportant, but also hysterical. I know I don’t really know Joe Biden, but I think I do. I know people who I think are like him. They are completely full of themselves in a good way – and they want to share the Good News that they were born. It’s like he’s a Mormon but the book he wants to share with you is a scrapbook of him that his Mom made.

Not to belabor the obvious, and it seems to be the one fact that all the conspiracy nuts avoid, but there is a birth announcement in the Honolulu newspaper for a Barack Hussein Obama for that date. So unless you are also calling the newspaper part of this vast conspiracy, you just experienced epic fail Kattest.

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rose83: …no you’ve mixed your media cliches up.
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Nah. Lotsa push from Hillaryfans for her to get the VP spot after she lost the primary…

Kattest,

I’ve also heard that Obama worships Llasa Apsos in his garage – surely that disqualifies him as worthy of being President.

For pete’s sake, get over it.

grape_crush, many of her supporters certainly wanted her to be VP. But no, the media hasn’t suddenly stopped hating the Clintons or strong women. Before Obama picked Biden the media was pushing the whole, “If he picks Hillary she’ll take over, or sabotage him, or distract us so much that McCain will end up winning” story. I loved that last one best… So now they can push the “HRC is humiliated once again” angle.
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It’s disturbing to see how much the media loves to hate strong women. But maybe Caroline Kennedy (who I don’t particular like) is enough of a target and they can leave HRC alone for a while!

Karen Tumulty: you obviously don’t have the intelligence nor the journalistic integrity to read and understand my discussion of this issue. You’re simply a lying hack. Have someone who has an open mind and who’s familiar with legal issues read that link and explain it to you.
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As for yutsano’s comment, I discuss that here, which is linked from the last link. The announcement did not indicate where he was born, neither the hospital nor the city. It only listed the address of his parents. It’s not proof of anything except that he was born, and we already knew that.

kattest123
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Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii.

This is a perfect example of a low expectations blog entry becoming excellent due to pourmecoffee’s hilarious comments. Thank you!
I’ve always liked Joe Biden because he talks SO much that you know he’s not hiding anything. He’s like my step-dad whom we affectionately call “the mouth”. Never tell him a secret you don’t want the whole family to know.
And Kattest, what’s your goal here? It’s over. BHO is POTUS. Accept it and move on.

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rose83: It’s disturbing to see how much the media loves to hate strong women.
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Funny; I never saw Tumulty as someone who hated strong women…or Oprah, or Biden spokeswoman Elizabeth Alexander, for that matter.
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kattest123: blah, blah, blah…
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More Blather from Kattest/Lonewhacko. Different Swampland nickname and wikipedia username, same rabid obsession with immigration. And now you’ve fixated on Obama’s citizenship. Really; do you ever wonder why you have to change your logins so frequently?

Rose: I agree with the “OMG HILLARY IZ HUMILIATED” angle, but my feeling is that this is more the media trying to drum up high school drama than direct Clinton hatred.
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I think what they’re doing is the equivalent of saying “Oh no he di-int!” while smoking cigarettes in the girl’s bathroom..

grape_crush, You misunderstood. I specifically said in my first post that I wasn’t criticizing KT or Jill Biden: I don’t blame KT for writing this though. Jill Biden walked right into it. (And I really like her – she’s not a politician or professional political spouse so she doesn’t know how to avoid falling into media traps.) I’m just talking about how I suspect this incident will be viewed by the media in general.

Short Kattest: “It is a tale, told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, singifying nothing.”
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And I wasn’t even an English major.

kattest – go over to the Mall in the morning and see how many people you can persuade. I’ll bet if you get an early start you can organize a last-minute insurrection and stop the ceremony just in time.
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If not, maybe you can persuade Princess Leia that Han is really an Imperial Storm Trooper in disguise, and she should drop him and make out with you.

Everyone – including you, KT – DON’T FEED THE TROLLS!
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Especially delusional trolls who wear tinfoil hats like Kattestes.