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What War on Terror?

One of the more interesting decisions Barack Obama has to make is what he’s going to call the struggle against terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda. Bush called it the Global War on Terror (GWOT), which gave him rhetorical leave to do all sorts of warlike, over-the-top and inappropriate things, like invade Iraq–an act that aggrandized Al Qaeda, enabling it to set up, for a moment, an Iraqi branch.

In a speech today, Britain’s Foreign Minister David Miliband says not only that we shouldn’t call it the GWOT–the Brits stopped doing so in 2006–but that the whole thing was a big mistake, creating more potential terrorists than it eliminated.

I have a feeling–no reporting, just a feeling–that we’ve heard the last of the Global War on Terror on this side of the Atlantic as well. Not that Obama won’t continue the campaign against Al Qaeda, including the successful predator strikes against terrorist leaders along the Pakistan border (which are proceeding despite the public “dismay” of the Pakistani government because the Pakistanis are privately cooperating with and approving the targeting).

But the era of grandiloquent “terrorism is the greatest existential challenge of the twentieth century” rhetoric is over. The terrorist challenge will resume its more natural place in the heirarchy of foreign policy problems–at the top of the list, but not overwhelmingly so. We’ll see whether Obama tips his hand in this direction in  his Inaugural speech.

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  • bitterpill8

    Our way of doing things has been to use the us versus them argument. When people like McCain swallow so much of the crap spewed out in 24 it is clear that we have replaced the realities of dealing with terrorism with a Hollywood version. And the Hollywood version wins out every time.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    One of the early casualties in the GWOT was the definition of the word terrorist itself.
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    Quoting myself:
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    http://phd9.blogspot.com/2007/06/words-matter.html
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    I’ve always thought that the word “terrorist” should be defined as anyone who has committed an act of terrorism or anyone who plans on committing an act of terrorism in the future. It seems perfectly reasonable and it encompasses thousands of dangerous people. Unfortunatetly now “terrorist” has been redefined to include anybody who doesn’t like the USA plus anybody who happens to occupy any real estate we’re targeting at the moment. So we’ve instantly gone from facing thousands of terrorists to facing millions! No wonder the chickhawks are so scared!

    Anyone who followed the presidential campaign or has simply been paying attention realizes that the word ‘terrorist’ has been co-opted to refer to any enemy whatsoever. The result has been an absolute poisoning of our debates and the justification of what are unquestionably and unambiguaously evil acts. The words we use do indeed matter. If we can lose the GWOT as a meaningful phrase, we will indeed be taking a step back toward sanity.

  • Andy from MA

    I vehemently disagree with your lede, Joe. it’s not an interesting decision. It’s just one of the several decisions the new president will have to make. I won’t be sitting waiting with bated breath to hear what he’s going to call it. Now, his first supreme court nominee, that would be an interesting decision.
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    Let’s manage the hyperbole please. We’re in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the great depression. People who are losing the homes, or their jobs could give a fig what the new sobriquet is for the GWOT. Come on, Joe, wake up and smell the coffee.

  • textee

    The War on Terror and B. Hussein Obama in the same sentence? Don’t bet on it. Expect the thoroughly unqualified, terrorist fraternizing, community organizer to launch instead “The Global Peace Initiative with our loving Partners and Peoples (what the Bush administration and the rest of the pro-America community criminally calls “America’s enemies”)”.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    JERUSALEM – Israel’s prime minister says the Israeli military fired artillery shells at a U.N. compound in Gaza after militants opened fire from the location. [Link]

    What next?

  • Andy from MA

    pourmecoffee: if I was an evangelical, my answer to your question would be the “end times.” GW Bush is responsible for enabling this military activity to happen.

  • rose83

    Andy from MA, No one gives a d–n about the name itself, but the name shapes policies that we do care about. That’s Joe’s point here: Bush called it the Global War on Terror (GWOT), which gave him rhetorical leave to do all sorts of warlike, over-the-top and inappropriate things, like invade Iraq–an act that aggrandized Al Qaeda, enabling it to set up, for a moment, an Iraqi branch. The term GWOT also restricts FP options: It’s difficult to talk about existential struggles and the GWOT while negotiating with Iran.

    And an expensive and unnecessarily antagonistic foreign policy will restrict Obama’s options on the economy. Foreign policy and economic policy are inseparable.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    @Andy w/thanks to Rose,
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    I also feel that the words we choose are important because of the way they guide thought and hence action. While concern over the economy is important and is drawing the most attention, as I said several days ago, one of the questions we should ask ourselves isn’t just, ‘How are we going to achieve prosperity?” but also ‘What have we done to deserve it?’

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I don’t understand how this doesn’t put the lie to Israel’s care in target selection. Even assuming they were returning fire, Israel ought to be held accountable for knowing that the target was a U.N. Compound. I understand that individuals can run into any place and fire at IDF soldiers, but unless it is a matter of self-defense or repeated and serious fire, then don’t fire at the U.N., schools, and similar. The IDF is running out of things to blow up. I am Nostradamus and I have a prediction: there will be more “accidental” things like this. All hail my genius.

  • gysgt213

    “Bush called it the Global War on Terror (GWOT), which gave him rhetorical leave to do all sorts of warlike, over-the-top and inappropriate things, like invade Iraq–an act that aggrandized Al Qaeda, enabling it to set up, for a moment, an Iraqi branch.”
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    and BREAK THE LAW and VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION. What is in you villagers’ water that prevents you from understanding that HISTORY will repeat itself if there is no accounting.
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    Everything Bush did can be done again by another President. Because no one including journalists, opinion makers, talking heads and congress or the American people will do anything about it. There will always be something the citizens of this country will be made to be afraid of. There will always be a crisis deemed so severe that we can’t afford to look back and deal with our past mistakes. Claiming that the past guy was bad but not truly wanting to really find out how bad is an excuse of our complicit conduct. And shows that we really don’t want things to change.

  • http://rodeomati.blogspot.com pattonmat89

    The reason this is significant is really psychology. When you call something a “war”, most people expect it to have a definite end. So when it drags on and on, people get “war-weary”, so to speak. It’s the same reason, at least in part, why the “war on drugs” has been such an abysmal failure. People got tired of the drug war and became inured to all of the crap about it. (Another big reason why the “war on drugs” has failed is because it was stupid to begin with. But that’s another story.) Most of our allies have abandoned the phrase “global war on terror”, replacing it with phrases like “counterterrorism operations”. Plus (this is only speculation on my part) it could hold a certain “Crusading” subtext, which is NOT something we want to convey to the Middle East.

    BTW, pourmecoffee, consider your genius duly hailed.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    More crazy Village speak. What puts terrorism at the top of the list? Ahead of drunk driving? Ahead of global warming? Ahead of fixing crumbling infrastructure? It’s so weird to see people doing exactly what bin Laden spent his 100,000 dollars and 19 people for.

  • Andy from MA

    Rose83 and Paul Dirks: I agree that our (the US) use of words is reflection of our intentions and temperment. I reacted to Joe’s charaterization of interesting decisions. Obama’s world view and his efforts to revive the US’s reputation are very important. I think that strategy needs to crystallize before we start coming up with new nominclature.
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    I think jayackroyd in #12 does a better job articulating this than I did.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    And what gunny said.

  • rose83

    jayackroyd, to be fair Joe was referring to the list of foreign policy problems.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Maybe we should call it a War on Conservatives instead. At least we could enlist the help of the media and other pinheads. Who knows, we might even win the doggone thing.

  • newsfatigue

    Joe, I think Obama should start by renaming the Department of Homeland Security. Why is Bush so fond of the word “homeland”? Sounds like we’re living in Nazi Germany.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Good point, Rose. Thanks.
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  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “The terrorist challenge will resume its more natural place in the heirarchy of foreign policy problems–at the top of the list, but not overwhelmingly so.”
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    Terrorism is a tactic. A tactic used by small groups to achieve political goals. So if you want to solve this problem, wheter is called GWOT or something else, we’ll have to have some open and honest conversations about a certain nation founded by terrorists using terrorist tactics who are currently committing war crimes and have now <a href’http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/15/israel-shells-un-headquar_n_158078.htmlbombed UN Headquarters.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Godd@mn lack of preview!
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    Terrorism is a tactic. A tactic used by small groups to achieve political goals. So if you want to solve this problem, wheter is called GWOT or something else, we’ll have to have some open and honest conversations about a certain nation founded by terrorists using terrorist tactics who are currently committing war crimes and have now bombed UN Headquarters.

  • pintortwo

    I happened to be thinking along similar lines last night, specifically the phrase “they hate our liberties”. This too is a damaging comment. No one hates our freedom. Yes, fundamental groups would govern very differently, but the phrase is used to imply an irrational enemy– and you can’t reason with someone who is not rational. Now, I’m not suggesting that blowing yourself up in a marketplace is rational. I look at it this way: all people want the same basic things- health, family, security, opportunity- but sometimes they will be influenced toward an extreme. These influences need to be addressed.
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    I’ve spoken to and read stories by soldiers returning from Afghanistan. Almost unanimously they have respect for the Afghani people and talk about how they reject many aspects of Taliban rule. Most want to live in peace, have access to music or art, work to provide for their families, educate their daughters and enjoy many of the same freedoms that we do.
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    So, why has al Qaeda remained? Well, shouting “they hate our liberties” makes sure that we won’t seek a honest answer to that question.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Maybe we should call it a War on Conservatives instead. At least we could enlist the help of the media and other pinheads. Who knows, we might even win the doggone thing.”
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    Hee hee. So I guess we’re past the denial phase? Can’t you just picture onlystandstoreason1, walking down that lonely conservative road? It’s windy and onlystandstoreason1 has his collar up to protect him from the lonely wind, his head is down and the treacly theme song from the Hulk plays in the background. He walks the walk of the sad and beaten man and though his hands are in his pockets, he occasionally sticks out his thumb as if to hitchhike, not because he needs a ride, but because he’s lonely…but no one will pick him up.
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    Kick rocks conservative. Kick rocks.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    9/11 didn’t change everything.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Yes, it’s sooo lonely, I wish I could just give up and become a freeloader like you.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Just sign up for welfare onlystandstoreason1, then you can just kick back and kill some human embryos….er, I mean do some whittlin’.

  • FlownOver

    Instead of GWOT we could call it “The Bagel.” There’s precedent.

  • Cliff

    Maybe we should call it a War on Conservatives instead. At least we could enlist the help of the media and other pinheads. Who knows, we might even win the doggone thing.
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    Hey, you f–kers started this Culture War thing, don’t complain when it comes back to bite you in the ass.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    lol, Culture War? I thought it was a war against the terrorists. While you’re busy mixing your metaphors, why don’t you mix yourself another drink.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    hahahahahaha

    [pointing]

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Just sign up for welfare onlystandstoreason1, then you can just kick back and kill some human embryos….er, I mean do some whittlin’.

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    whittlin, huh, is that liberal code for “get drunk and screw the babysitter”?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    No it’s code for ‘lets kill some unborn babies while we drink our lattes’. “Voting Rights” is code for screwing the babysitter.
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    PS Most liquor stores don’t take food stamps, so we libs tend to do drugs instead cuz most drug dealers do take food stamps(see your local drug dealer for details). Relax onlystandstoreason1, you conservatives won the War on Christmas and changed the name of french fries to ‘freedom fries’….I mean, you guys did accomplish a lot!

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Most liquor stores don’t take food stamps ….

    That’s Change YOU can believe in.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    We’re workin’ on it onlystandstoreason1. BTW do you have any change? I spent all my welfare money and food stamps on drugs and I’m feelin’ kinda hungry. I’d like to get a Big Mac….or some more drugs, not sure.
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    PS Does your daughter babysit? I’d like to talk to her about voting rights.

  • FlownOver

    Cincy FTW!

  • Cliff

    lol, Culture War? I thought it was a war against the terrorists. While you’re busy mixing your metaphors, why don’t you mix yourself another drink.
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    Hey, awesome, it’s like you flunked out of the fifth grade.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    PS Does your daughter babysit?

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    Not as well as yours. She sure does like to “rock the vote”, don’t she. It’s almost like she’s been trained from a young age.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Hey, awesome, it’s like you flunked out of the fifth grade.

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    That would still make me smarter than you.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Not as well as yours. She sure does like to “rock the vote”, don’t she. It’s almost like she’s been trained from a young age.”
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    No, I sent my daughter out to do her duty as a suicide bomber at a Piggly Wiggly before any of that stuff happened. Is that how it works w/ your daughter/niece onlystandstoreason1 ?

  • onlystandstoreason1

    What are you thinking? I would never allow any close family near a Piggily Wiggily. What brings you there, an emergency mullet trim?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Mullet? No, I’ve got a fade…you do understand that the mullet is the internationally recognized haircut of the conservative. Beat out the flat top a few years back.

  • grape_crush

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    JK: The terrorist challenge will resume its more natural place in the heirarchy of foreign policy problems–at the top of the list, but not overwhelmingly so.
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    Top of the list should be finding equilibrium with the production and consumption of resources, starting with energy. I wonder how many problems dirt-cheap energy, moderately plentiful food, a decent house, and good basic health care would solve.
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    Then maybe all we would have to worry about is religious wackos and fascist nutjobs trying to ruin our days…

  • onlystandstoreason1

    you do understand that the mullet is the internationally recognized haircut of the conservative…
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    Don’t put that stink on us, I’ve met very few welfare recipients that are Conservatives.

  • dunedweller

    NEW-US (Not Engaging in War Unless Struck)

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Don’t put that stink on us, I’ve met very few welfare recipients that are Conservatives.”
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    You seem confused, I’m talking mullets(the #1 haircut of conservatives). You conservatives have been enjoying white man’s welfare for a long time Gomer.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    white man’s welfare ?????

    Are you about to make yourself a victim?

  • dunedweller

    NEW-US (No Engagement in War Unless Struck) …that is, with the actual terrorists who strike us.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    No, only conservative are victims. Victims of liberal media bias, reverse racism, people saying ‘Happy Holidays’ instead of ‘Merry Christmas’…I mean how you people get through the day w/ the weight of the world on your backs is astonishing.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    I’m so glad you feel that way. I thought you were going to say something like you still feel discriminated against as a black man. Man, I’m glad we don’t have to hear that bs anymore.

  • dunedweller

    US-PAL (Ultimately Striving for Peace And Love) corny, I know, but just a thought…

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    No again, only conservatives are victims onlystandstoreason1, after all, wasn’t it you who came in here feeling all sorry for yourself:
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    “Maybe we should call it a War on Conservatives instead. At least we could enlist the help of the media and other pinheads. Who knows, we might even win the doggone thing.”
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    Oh you poor, poor thing! I just want to hug you! FYI, I’m 50% white and 50% Mexican. We’re not through w/ you Jethro, just when you get used to saying ‘Happy Holidays’, we’re going to force the white minority to say ‘Feliz Navidad’ instead. What fun!

  • onlystandstoreason1

    we’re going to force the white minority ….
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    in your dreams, Jose.

  • grape_crush

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    onlystandstoreason1: I would never allow any close family near a Piggily Wiggily.
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    How to respond? Let me count…
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    1) Yeah, it would be kinda embarassing to have the kids wandering up and down the aisles shouting, “Whar’s the ‘possum meat, paw?”
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    2) ‘Cause the wife might start wanting those newfangled-fancy-things like indoor plumbing, refrigeration, and electric lights in your house, too…
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    3) You must not want the townspeople to realize that your family breeds its own stock.
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    I’ve met very few welfare recipients that are Conservatives.
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    No, but Conservatives definitely own the ‘undeservedly smug arsehole’ corner of the population. Care to continue proving me right, onlystan?
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  • onlystandstoreason1

    Personally, I’d rather be smug than unemployed. Crazy, huh?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Oh, so very sorry to report this to you. Are you sittin’ down a spell Jethro?
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    US white population a minority by 2042: census bureau
    http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jTtkmoZLMEokQ7AZyn0IOLDyqHgg
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    http://www.nysun.com/new-york/study-sees-non-hispanic-whites-shrinking/71104/

  • onlystandstoreason1

    well, at least our houses will always be freshly painted, and our lawns are going to look super!

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Yeah, and your granddaughters are gonna come out with brown skin.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    oh yeah, Mexicans are so hot, I forgot

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Yeah, we are….your lily white women can’t keep their hands off us frankly. Sorry dude, whitebread is completely out.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Funny, I thought it was the other way around. I bet it’s your mom that’s Mexican.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Columbus police have arrested a man they say was responsible for a Web site where customers could post reviews of prostitutes…McFadden is accused of trading information about online escorts and prostitutes who worked the streets, including a 17-year-old girl…McFadden formerly served as director of the Faith-Based and Community Initiatives office under Gov. Ted Strickland.
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/01/police_ohio_man_ran_hooker-review_web_site.php
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    BWAAAAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAAHHAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAH.

  • grape_crush

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    onlystan: Personally, I’d rather be smug than unemployed.
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    We’ve all been unemployed at one time or another, Jethro. Thanks for proving me right, ‘tho…
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    Crazy, huh?
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    Absolutely!
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  • onlystandstoreason1

    I’ll take that as a yes. It’s cool, white boys love the little Chiquitas. But usually we wear two condoms, you never what kind of fungus one can pick up trolling through the Rio Grande at three in the morning.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    We’ve all been unemployed at one time or another, Jethro.
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    Yes, but Conservatives don’t look at it as a viable career choice like liberals do.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Actually, mom’s a white girl from Kansas(I don’t hold it against her). Well you have a lot of experience w/ hookers it seems. My only advice for you is…you don’t marry the hooker you dumb cracker! What were you thinking?

  • Art Pepper

    Terror is a tactic employed to various ends. While obviously we need to defend against the tactic, it would be nice if we also thought more strategically. But that would involve asking hard questions, which apparently isn’t allowed.
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    My single biggest hope for the Obama administration is the restoration of science in public policy. But my second biggest is that we’ll start talking about foreign policy like grownups. (Case not-in-point, Thomas Friedman.)

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “But that would involve asking hard questions, which apparently isn’t allowed.”
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    One word: Israel

  • palininatowel

    But, Joe, getting rid of the simplistic, inane shorthand of the Cheney-Bush regime? Don’t ya’ know that there is no gray, only black and white?
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    We’ll see who the Republicans put up in 2012. If it’s that dolt, Palin, we’ll know nothing has changed and the anti-intellectual, ignorant majority still rules the Republican Party.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Well you have a lot of experience w/ hookers it seems.
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    No, not really.
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    But I do have lots of experience with white girls from Kansas (who doesn’t?), soooo, you just never know.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Is anyone else amused that racist idiots actually think their doing themselves a favor when they claim to represent ‘Conservatives’?

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Dirks….Dirks…. Dirks.

    But if I called myself a liberal my comments would be a-okay, right, you f-n pussy. Grow balls, dude.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Sorry, mom was never into crackers onlystandstoreason1.
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    Hey, maybe when you’re a minority, your ghostly white skin might come back into fashion.

  • grape_crush

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    onlystan :But usually we wear two condoms…
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    Silly man, conservatives only have sex after they’re married or after propositioning the guy in the next stall in an airport men’s room…
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    ..trolling through the Rio Grande at three in the morning.
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    You’re awfully proud of what you’re doing double-condomed in the middle of a river at three in the morning. Do the fish mistake it for a worm?
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  • onlystandstoreason1

    Sorry, mom was never into crackers …

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    I’m sure your mom is a chaste woman, who loves Mexicans.
    As far as being a minority, I feel your pain, it’s tough when you’re at the bottom of the social ladder. Maybe after all the drug dealers get routed from Mexico, we might decide to step foot in the god awful place again.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    I think when he says ‘Rio Grande at three in the morning’, it’s code for highway rest-stop…and there ain’t no ladies involved, if we’ve learned anything about conservative white guys over the years.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    ..trolling through the Rio Grande at three in the morning.
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    You’re awfully proud of what you’re doing double-condomed in the middle of a river at three in the morning. Do the fish mistake it for a worm?

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    you see I’m not trolling, it’s a reference to, oh, never mind.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    We know dude, it’s a reference to findin’ a d!ck to suck…we get it honey.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    No, it’s your family sneaking into this country.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Aww, ain’t she sweet! Actually my dad is 4th generation, uncles dying in WWII…the whole bit. However, there will be more and more coming onlystandstoreason1….and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. Well, except learn Spanish and get a tan and try and mix in.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    so illegal aliens are pouring across our borders and you couldn’t be happier. They’re probably cousins are yours.
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    In fact, you’re giddy about our country being overrun by more freeloaders such as yourself.
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    Gives you more time to write about gay men, which is probably a life-long dream for you.

  • pintortwo

    Well, I went to lunch and a fight broke out…
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    Grape Crush #41- Top of the list should be finding equilibrium with the production and consumption of resources, starting with energy. I wonder how many problems dirt-cheap energy, moderately plentiful food, a decent house, and good basic health care would solve.
    Very nice…
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    Re: War on Conservatives. Misleading, IMO, because there are almost no conservatives in today’s republican party; conservatives wouldn’t start elective wars or call for income tax decreases in the face of a trillion dollar deficit. Social conservatives, yes, but to me that stands for repression and fundamentalism and has no place in government (religion and lifestyle are private choices, gov’t is public– keep ‘em separate). The “war” is against politicking that favors the elite over the many and ambition over “common good”. Conservative does not necessarily equal lower taxes and less government- that’s bumper sticker stuff. Lower taxes should be what we earn once we achieve an efficient government and other conditions that warrant it. And the size of government should be related to that efficiency– make it work then trim the fat. We “fight” for a government that knows this. We “fight” for a government that respects our position as a world leader- that doesn’t mean having the biggest guns, that means leading in terms of science, culture, disease, hunger, technology, the environment, economic opportunity, justice and diplomacy.
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    Re: War on terror. No such thing. We need to eliminate the conditions that lead to acts of terrorism.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Gives you more time to write about gay men, which is probably a life-long dream for you.”
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    Closeted gay conservative white guys? Kinda like shooting fish in a barrel isn’t it?
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    Yup, happy to see my cousins come over, even happier to see you stamp your feet powerlessly. Freeloaders, painters, busboys….who cares. What matters is that they’re not WASPs.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    >Closeted gay conservative white guys? Kinda like shooting fish in a >barrel isn’t it?
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    I can think of two, but closeted “liberal” gay guys… now that’s a big barrel! Certainly not as big as the “outted” liberal gay guys, but big.
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    But liberals think it’s okay to be gay, right? So why all the huff about being gay. Unless …. wait a second, fagboy….

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Ahhhhh, see if a liberal is gay he can just say so, we don’t have to hide it like you Liberace. Only two?
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    David Drier
    Lindsey Graham(still closeted)
    Mark Foley
    Ted Haggard
    Larry Craig
    Bob Allen
    Glenn Murphy Jr.(Pres. Young Republicans convicted of sexual battery on a young man)
    …hell that’s just off the top of my head.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    You keep a tidy gay man list. Get that from your black book or have you committed the names to memory?

  • Suzie in MD

    onlystandstoreason1,
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    I don’t care if you don’t agree with my political viewpoints. That’s your right. But there are certain boundaries of civility on this site (hard to believe, but it’s true). Please refrain from using terms such as “f**boy” to make your points. It’s unnecessary and offensive, and it certainly doesn’t make your points very effectively. I’m pretty sure the High Sheriffs would agree.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Nope, just a smart, fancy pants book readin’ feller that remembers stuff Jethro.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Suzie, lemme get this right. I get called names, which doesn’t bother me, and it obviously doesn’t bother you, but when I return the favor, I’ve crossed boundaries?? Double-standard much?
    .

  • onlystandstoreason1

    >Nope, just a smart, fancy pants book readin’ feller that remembers stuff Jethro.

    .

    Oh, so you read a lot books about gay men?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Conservative values:
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    Robert Eric McFadden is accused of trading information about online escorts and prostitutes who worked the streets, including a 17-year-old girl. Police say he also helped organize a $10-a-ticket raffle that offered an evening with a prostitute.
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    The 46-year-old McFadden was arrested Wednesday and faces numerous charges, including compelling prostitution involving a minor.

    No attorney for McFadden was listed with the Franklin County Jail.
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    McFadden formerly served as director of the Faith-Based and Community Initiatives office under Gov. Ted Strickland. He was transferred to a job with the state prisons department in 2007 and laid off in March 2008 due to budget cuts.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    Sounds like someone exercising their liberal values to me.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Oh, so you read a lot books about gay men?”
    .
    No, conservative white guys. Okay, that’s redundant.

  • onlystandstoreason1

    > No, conservative white guys. Okay, that’s redundant.

    lol, try telling that to Joe Klein. Or any other white guy in the media.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Well, you are right that most white guys in the media are conservative. I can’t argue that. I can argue your characterization of Klein as conservative, he is hard core centrist, which is a whole ‘nother level of confusion, but not of a sexual nature.
    .
    Seriously though, what is it about reading Ayn Rand that makes you want to suck a d1ck? Oh, that’s right…you base conservatives don’t really read much. Oh that’s it! It’s the pro wrestling you guys love so much! The gayest spectacle on earth.

  • formerlyjames

    Let’s just revise the current term to the Bush Stupidity. Then change it something like, Seeking Rational Foreign Policy. SRFP. Won’t happen, just a dream of mine.

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