The U.S. Did Torture, Says Bush Administration Official; A Detainee That Donald Rumsfeld Was Closely Monitoring

“We do not torture,” President Bush said, in November of 2005.

“This government does not torture people,” the president repeated, in October of 2007.

“On the question of so-called torture, we don’t do torture. We never have. It’s not something that this administration subscribes to,” added Vice President Dick Cheney, just last month.

If Bush and Cheney really believe what they are saying, they now find themselves in disagreement with their own administration. From today’s Washington Post:

The top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial has concluded that the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a “life-threatening condition.”

“We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani,” said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. “His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that’s why I did not refer the case” for prosecution.

Previously an Army investigation found that the treatment of Qahtani was “abusive and degrading,” but not quite “torture.” As I reported with Mark Benjamin back in 2006, Qahtani was also “forced to stand naked in front of a female interrogator, was accused of being a homosexual, and was forced to wear women’s underwear and to perform ‘dog tricks’ on a leash. He received 18-to-20-hour interrogations during 48 of 54 days.”

As Benjamin and I also reported, then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was closely monitoring the interrogation, according to Army investigator Lt. Gen. Randall Schmidt. Rumsfeld was “talking weekly” with Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who was in charge at Guantanamo. “The secretary of defense is personally involved in the interrogation of one person [Qahtani], and the entire General Counsel system of all the departments of the military,” Schmidt said, in a statement that Benjamin and I obtained. Of Miller’s claim that he did not know all the grisly details of the Qahtani interrogation, Schmidt added, “There is just not a too-busy alibi there for that.” From our article in Salon:

Schmidt said he concluded that Rumsfeld did not specifically prescribe the more “creative” interrogation methods used on [Q]ahtani. But he added that the open-ended policies Rumsfeld approved, and that the apparent lack of supervision of day-to-day interrogations permitted the abusive conduct to take place. “Where is the throttle on this stuff?” asked Schmidt, an Air Force fighter pilot, who said in his interview under oath with the [Army] inspector general that he had concerns about the length and repetition of the harsh interrogation methods. “There were no limits.”

Miller, who later brought interrogation methods from Guantanamo to Abu Ghraib, was allowed to retire in a ceremony at the Pentagon’s Hall of Heroes. He was presented with a Distinguished Service Medal.

For more on the interrogation of Qahtani, read the 2005 story that first exposed the abuse, by TIME magazine’s Adam Zagorin and Michael Duffy.

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  • Joe Bftsplk

    Thanks, MS.
    Although I really didn’t want to know this.
    .
    BTW, last word — “Medel” should be “Medal”.

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  • http://jonathanwsmith.wordpress.com/ jonathanwsmith

    What are you trying to say with the clause, “If Bush and Cheney really believe what they are saying,” to start a paragraph? I interpret it as a lack of truth telling by the Bush administration and main stream media like Time for the past 8 years.

  • textee

    The feminized pansies at Time magazine allege that a person was “tortured” because he was “forced to stand naked in front of a female interrogator, was accused of being a homosexual, and was forced to wear women’s underwear and to perform ‘dog tricks’ on a leash. He received 18-to-20-hour interrogations during 48 of 54 days.” He “was accussed of being a homosexual”? Hahahahaha. Time magazine considers that to be the highest form of flattery, but Time now also wants to call that “torture”? He “was forced to wear woman’s underwear”? Please, Lord, tell me that the United States did not “torture” someone by having them “wear woman’s underwear”! It’s a predictable reaction from the feminist lunatics at Time magazine, but the frightening thing is that these U.S. military hating feminist lunatics will now be directing the U.S. military under the Feminist in Chief, one B. Hussein Obama. God, please help us.

  • sqr1

    One of the reasons that I refuse to respect the suggestion — made by Scherer and others — that we need to maintain some interrogation leeway beyond what is proscribed in the Army Field Manual is that our country still has not fully accepted what a half-assed, amateur-hour, Keystone Kops disaster Cheney created. As far as I know, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller had zero expertise in modern interrogation techniques prior to being picked to run Gitmo and then Abu Ghraib. Is there any wonder why he was a total failure?
    .
    Before we can begin to discuss which “enhanced interrogation techniques” should be preserved, we need to accept the basic premise that our policies should be based upon scientific principles and not sadism and vengeance.
    .
    Qahtani was also “forced to stand naked in front of a female interrogator, was accused of being a homosexual, and was forced to wear women’s underwear and to perform ‘dog tricks’ on a leash.
    .
    This isn’t even about whether or not this is torture. What it unquestionably ISN’T is an effective manner of obtaining actionable intelligence.
    .
    Opponents of torture are constantly challenged with the so-called “ticking time bomb” scenario. What do you do when a suspect knows something and you don’t have the time to use time-consuming, but proven, methods of creating trust with the prisoner? But here is the flip side of that.
    .
    What was the opportunity cost of engaging in pointless and sadistic “interrogations”? How many ticking time bombs went off while Qahtani was prancing about in panties and performing “dog tricks”?
    .
    To paraphrase Col. Jessup: “You f—ing people, you have no idea how to defend a nation. You just weakened a country today, Cheney, that’s all you did. You put people’s lives in danger. Sweet dreams son.”

  • Matt

    This only serves to place more pressure on Obama from the Left to initiate a meaningful and serious investigation of Bush-Cheney torture tactics and allegations.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Ahem.

    BEHEADING is torture.

    BEING FED INTO A WOOD CHIPPER is torture.

    GANG RAPE is torture.

    BOOBY TRAPPING KIDDIE TOYS is torture.

    But being made to stay up after your scheduled bed time?

    Having to listen to Ozzie Osbourn at concert volume (OK, that may in fact be torture)?

    3 fresh meals a day plus free John Edwards quality hair gel?

    NEWS FLASH: McCain lost the election when he threw Bush and Gitmo and NOLA response under the NY Timid communal rickshaw (that, and Obama going 4-to-1 on the PayPal Gaza TV ad funding). Conservatives including many Hispanic Catholics were not impressed by that rank and file pandering to the press punks and thought police, sorry John.

    It IS time for Time to stop asking how our rights have been violated (they have NOT been violated), and to start asking Skippy Obama how he really truly hope and changey plans to pacify Pakistan, Korea, Iran, Gaza, Mexico short of all out appeasement — which by history and theology gets more people killed than short term conflict.

    Yes, we need an ABP on pressuring NATO and the UN wimps to do their part every day, instead of whenever the polls indicate.

    Peace is not a popularity contest for Katie Couric’s media moment amusement.

    It is the product of family, personal, physical, and financial SACRIFICES that most liberals couldn’t calculate if they had every math whiz from MIT and Northwestern at hand.

    Mrs. Obama claims she’s now proud to be an American.

    I ask: What will she earnestly expect her spousal unit to do, to help keep that pride, for her daughters and grandchildren, that might actually work longer than a foreign financed political campaign that only a Clixon could love?

    Some change, that one.

    Move On indeed.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    And so it begins…..
    .
    Truth Commission or War Crimes tribunals?
    .
    Decisions, decisions……

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    textee

    ………….

    The professional whining liberals get ruffled when they have to openly state the Pledge of Allegiance, swear to God (particularly when under oath), act like they don’t loathe the troops for more than 5 minutes (called The Kerry Affect Of 2004 and/or 1971), or suffer any of those pesky Scouts at the post office sending bag loads of Thank You cards and gifts boxes to the soldiers overseas.

    To the libs, social experimentation (with or without willing Cali farm animals) trumps any actual need or training for the troops — evidenced by the FACT that more American military people died in TDY transport and training exercises during the Hollow Army years of Carter and Clinton than we’ve sadly lost of late in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined. Never mind how many ACORN members will shoot each other in Philly, Oakland, DC, NOLA, and Detroit this week. [When do we pull the troops and cops out of those hell holes, since those wars are obviously lost and those people really don't like us anyway?]

    America needs another ACLU loon witch hunt of Bush & Cheney like Chelsea Clinton needs another new “aunt” showing up at the family cabana on the Vineyard for Valentine’s Day.

  • sarcastr0

    hulagate is totally right. As long as we’re better than AlQueda we’re totally civilized! I guess the guy left in a life-threatening condition just really didn’t like the music.

    And the blaming of TIME for quoting an administration official was pretty sweet, Textee.

    hulagate also thinks farm animals can be willing. I don’t want to know.

  • pintortwo

    I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It’s no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me — unless you don’t count American soldiers as Americans.
    .
    .
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    .
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    .
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    .
    .
    .
    I am absolutely certain that the foremost motivation for a new generation of jihadis, willing to die in order to hurt Americans, is the slaughter of civilians at Gaza and the abuse of detainees in US custody. We even supplied 4.7 million Iraqi refugees to recruit from. Closing these detention centers and prosecuting admin officials will make us safer.

  • pintortwo

    (that last part shouldn’t be in italics…)

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    hulagate the jig us up. You are both a coward and a fraud. You throw around accusations about the patriotism if others that no true patriot or individual taking an oath to defend this country would ever say. You are nothing more than an ignorant paranoid who has read one to many Tom Clancy novels and are home alone shaking in your boots.

  • Andy from MA

    Dirks, this is America…no reason you shouldn’t have it all.

  • pintortwo

    Did hula-hoop just suggest that we remove all police officers from Philadelphia, Oakland, DC, New Orleans and Detroit and allow the residents there to shoot each other because “those people really don’t like us”?

  • Andy from MA

    pint, I just have skip over his/her/it’s writing. It’s filled with too much hate and gibberish to waste my time to read.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Hey Scherer
    .
    You might want to include Congressman John Conyers’ as chair of the House Judicial Committee newly released report on whether the abuses of the Bush Administration, including torture and war crimes, should be investigated. Its almost 500 pages long but the gist of it is YES.
    .
    http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/printers/110th/IPres090113.pdf

  • grape_crush

    Thanks for this post, Michael…must feel good to be off the McCain beat.
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    textee: The feminized pansies at Time magazine allege that a person was “tortured” because he was “forced to stand naked in front of a female interrogator, was accused of being a homosexual, and was forced to wear women’s underwear and to perform ‘dog tricks’ on a leash.
    .
    Just because that’s a normal date night for textee and his wife doesn’t mean that it isn’t torture for someone else.
    .
    Really, who has a vested interest in defending torture?..Besides current and former Bush administration officials, I mean…
    .

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Well, the war criminals responsible will never feel the coldness of handcuffs on their wrists, nor will those that looted the treasury, nor will those who shredded the constitution, however, we as a nation draw the line at unruly 8 year old autistic girls. This is your country people:
    .
    ‘The mother of an 8-year-old autistic girl who was arrested after a scuffle with her teachers said it was horrifying to watch her daughter be led away in handcuffs from her northern Idaho elementary school…She started screaming ‘Mommy, I don’t want to go! What are batteries? What are batteries?’” Towry said. “She didn’t even know what she was arrested for.’
    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=6640478&page=1
    .
    Will you join me as I put my hand over heart and recite ‘America the Beautiful’?

  • bbpdx

    It’s strange that we always need someone to come forth and “confirm” what is already plainly evident to all of us.

    We know we’ve tortured people. We’ve known for years.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    > Will you join me as I put my hand over heart and recite ‘America the Beautiful’?

    Maybe in a previously kinder, gentler America, our authorities would consider the entire situation and show compassion. But, since 9/11, well, ya know, if you don’t smack these kids down, early and hard, they can grow up to be terr’ist, don’tchaknow…? Heck, from the stuff they can read on teh interwebs, they might already _be_ terr’ists. Can’t take that chance.

  • cfukara

    MS:
    ” .. If Bush and Cheney really believe what they are saying, ..”

    Michael, at least you got the idea right: It is a belief.
    Then tell us this: Why are you wasting so much blog space with BELIEFS? Why don’t you leave that to Amy?

    Next you will be trying to debunk our BELIEF in satan and heaven, and in allah, and in the monkey-god, and in unumbotte, and in unkulunkulu and in re-incarnation, and … and in the tooth fairy … and … and in “The Brotherhood of Man” and ….
    [And you are becoming tiresome]

  • cfukara

    That should read:
    “Next you will be presenting empirical evidence to debunk our BELIEF in …”

  • dbcooper71

    textee = Ann Coulter?

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Shorter Bush Administration: WWJBD? (What Would Jack Bauer Do?)

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Did the latent homosexual who’s decided to stay at home and watch teevee instead of fighting for his country just call someone ‘feminized pansies’? Awwwwwww, how cute!

  • cfukara

    cincinnatus est exterminata! Says:
    ” .. Did the latent homosexual who’s decided to stay at home and watch teevee instead of fighting for his country just call someone ‘feminized pansies’? .. “

    You can re-phrase that. Here is the reason:
    .

    “Did the latent heterosexual Dick Cheney (or GWB#43 or a latent bigamist Clinton) who’s decided to stay at home and watch teevee instead of fighting for his country just call someone ‘feminized pansies’? ”

    Better?

    Maybe our quarrel is with the someone being called ‘feminized pansies’. But then what is wrong with being “feminine” or a ‘pansy’? Don’t we believe in civil rights anymore?

    By the way, I take it that you don’t dream of a world without wars …
    [And if you don't, then why would you hasten to disarm people who may also not dream of a world without wars?]

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    There’s nothing wrong w/ it cfukara , I know some pansies and they’re cool, but they don’t run around calling other people feminized pansies. It’s the same reason Joe Klein doesn’t get to call anyone ‘namby pamby centrists’. It’s just distasteful.

  • sy2d

    So that’s why Joe Scarborough was MIA this morning.

  • Art Pepper

    Thanks for posting this, MS. The phrase “If Bush and Cheney really believe” is generous to a fault. Unless you meant it in the same rhetorical sense as “If Lucky Luciano is really a legitimate businessman…”
    -
    It’s too bad the American public (ie, the beltway media pundits) have “no appetite” for an investigation. Future administrations will learn this lesson well. As long as the truth comes out a few years after the crime, you’re totally off the hook.

  • Art Pepper

    textee/hulagate: The techniques used were specifically designed by Communist regimes to extract false confessions. Why do you hate America?

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq.”

    Yes, all those murder bombers run in from Gaza by PBS never really cared much until the evil Bush pricked them.

    On to Springfield, flaming Amtrain leftardians!

    BTW, what’s the Global Chilling forecast for Tootsday?

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “…hulagate the jig us up. You are both a coward and a fraud…”

    Down Hillary, down.

    You’ll get your turn when Skippy’s exposed by his old beach buddy pool at Blago Inc and the rest of the People’s Republic of Peoria hairpiece rejects.

    = GEITHNER ACCOMPLISHED =

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    Did hula-hoop just suggest that we remove all police officers from Philadelphia, Oakland, DC, New Orleans and Detroit and allow the residents there to shoot each other because “those people really don’t like us”?

    What, you don’t agree with Cindy and Martin and John and Al and the rest of the Blame America 1sters here today? I was convinced that cutting & running from ingrates was Job 1 for Frozone — after he goes all heterophobe and frog marches the straights out of combat arms and the Coast Guard, er, Navy.

    Must be something in the new & improved 2009 tax packet.

  • http://www.hulagate.org hulagate

    “We know we’ve tortured people. We’ve known for years.”

    ”””””””””’

    STOP PICKING ON MAVIS LETTERBOOB AND FAY LAMO.

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