Arab Parties Banned in Israel

For decades, the Israeli government has boasted of being an oasis of democracy and pluralism in a region noted for authoritarian regimes. On the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs website you will find this description:

In several Arab countries and Iran, minorities are suppressed. In stark contrast, minorities in Israel are entitled to equal rights under the law and have judicial recourse to addressing their grievances when problems arise. These same minorities are represented in the Israeli Knesset.

The Associated Press is reporting that today Israel’s Central Elections Committee decided to ban “Arab political parties from running in next month’s parliamentary elections.” From the article:

Knesset spokesman Giora Pordes said the election committee voted overwhelmingly in favor of the motion, accusing the country’s Arab parties of incitement, supporting terrorist groups and refusing to recognize Israel’s right to exist. Arab lawmakers have traveled to countries listed among Israel’s staunchest enemies, including Lebanon and Syria.

Roughly one-fifth of Israel’s 7 million citizens are Arab. The decision does not affect Arab lawmakers in predominantly Jewish parties or in the nation’s communist party. The decision will be challenged before Israel’s Supreme Court.

UPDATE: The generally right-leaning Jerusalem Post has more details on the rhetorical fisticuffs that lead to Monday’s decision. A leader of Balad, one of the Arab parties, is reported to have said, “All we demand is democracy! What are you afraid of when we ask for equality? We are the sons of this country, we were born here and we are willing to treat you with equality, so why don’t you? We offer to live together.” A leader of the other banned Arab party, UAL, explained himself this way:

“We say, any vote given to Kadima is a bullet in the chest of a Palestinian child in Gaza,” [Ahmed] Tibi told the committee prior to the vote. “Israel’s problem is not Balad, not UAL, but the Kadima Party and [Defense Minister and Labor chairman Ehud] Barak. These people started a war as an election campaign. The State of Israel is democratic for Jews and Jewish for its Arab citizens. We never said that we don’t recognize the State of Israel. We are part of it, but we will never accept Zionism, which is an ideology that aspires to banish us from our homes.”

At roughly the same time, a leader of Kadima called the Balad official an unemployed bum and told him to “go back to Syria.” The Jerusalem Post also notes that “in 2003, the committee approved a similar request to disqualify [the Arab party] Balad from Knesset elections, a decision that the High Court of Justice later reversed.”

MORE: In the comments, jresponds adds more context, noting the other parties that have been banned in the past and the fact that few expect the courts to uphold the ban. Another Israel watcher suggests that the real concern for Israel is the increasing divisions in the Knesset, which if continued could lead to Arab parties voluntarily pulling out in opposition to the government, an outcome that would not help efforts for a solution to the regional conflict.

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  • Andy from MA

    What’s next: the Arabs have to wear Crescents on their clothing?
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    As a Jew I am outraged by this.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    So…racial purity laws next?

  • http://www.124monkeys.com Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    Well, that’s two out of three. The Arabs are largely (though not completely) confined to ghettos in Gaza and the West Bank. Now they’re banned from forming political parties. As Andy notes above, only the Golden Crescent on all clothing is missing.

  • viciousmaniac

    Hey dude, thanks for reporting on this, I mean it.
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    Thank you Mike.

  • Andy from MA

    MS — You are taught in Hebrew school to “never forget” the holocaust and the terror of the Nazis. It looks like a bunch Jews in Israel forgot. If any of the neo-cons call you out for being anti semetic they’ll have to deal with me.

  • bbpdx

    I love these guys. I’m so glad we send them $3 billion a year. What a great investment. What do we get for our investment?

    Why, right now we’re permenantly reclaiming large portions of Gaza! Money well spent.

    Oh, also we get lots of respect for our investment. Today, Olmert publically stated that he “shamed” Condi Rice, and then pretty much called the President of the U.S. his b*tch.

    Awesome. Our unconditional support for these guys is completely defensible. Now I hope they load up their American-made planes and tanks and go kill some more kids! We Americans know how to pick winners! Hurray for us!!!

  • Friar Tuck

    Waddles like a Nazi, quacks like a Nazi, flies like a Nazi, poops like a Nazi . . . yep, it’s a Nazi. Somebody call Auntie Broder!

  • Friar Tuck

    Wow! “Nazi” doesn’t put you in moderation purgatory but “p00p” does.

  • Friar Tuck

    Waddles like a Nazi, quacks like a Nazi, flies like a Nazi, p00ps like a Nazi . . . yep, it’s a Nazi. Somebody call Auntie Broder!

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “They’re supposed to bring the news to you unbiased. They’re supposed to actually report it and then let you make your opinion…not giving it any kind of slants. That’s how news is supposed to be reported. Somewhere along the line they forgot that. As opposed to a commentary from them. ”
    - Joe the War Correspondent(formerly Joe the Welfare Recipient, formerly Joe the Plumber)
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    JOE: The story here is people are being killed and the media’s slanting it and trying to make it Hamas is, uh, as far as, that Israel’s being bad. Do you believe Israel is bad?

    REPORTER: Do I believe it?

    JOE: Yeah, do you?!

    REPORTER: I’m Israeli, so…

    JOE: So answer the question!

    REPORTER: No, I don’t think Israel is bad.

    JOE: Do you think Israel has every right to protect itself?

    REPORTER: Yeah.

    [pause]

    JOE: You do?!

    REPORTER: Yeah.

    JOE: Have you said that on air?

    REPORTER: I’m just a reporter.

    http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/12/joe-the-plumber-exposes-blatantly-pro-hamas-israeli-reporter/
    .
    I’m just glad we don’t live in a culture w/ a media that fetishizes the idea of the inherent real world intelligence of ‘the regular guy’. Oh wait!

  • grape_crush

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    With this post, I figure that proving Godwin’s Law was inevitable.
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    Andy from MA: It looks like a bunch of Jews in Israel forgot.
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    People remember easily enough, but learning? Not so much.
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  • bbpdx

    “US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was left shame-faced after President George W. Bush ordered her to abstain in a key UN vote on the Gaza war, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said on Monday.
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    “She was left shamed. A resolution that she prepared and arranged, and in the end she did not vote in favour,” Olmert said in a speech in the southern town of Ashkelon.
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    “I said ‘get me President Bush on the phone’. They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn’t care. ‘I need to talk to him now’. He got off the podium and spoke to me.
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    “I told him the United States could not vote in favour. It cannot vote in favour of such a resolution. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favour.”
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    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gD-QcI_C-CrcqfSZBh6A5_e514Zw

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    In spite of the earlier go-round on related topics, I can’t support this, and it’s not in keeping with the Israel I’d read about.

    Are we sure this is the _entire_ story? Is the MSM leaving out something intentionally to provoke a negative response? Wouldn’t be the first time…

  • bbpdx

    “Are we sure this is the _entire_ story?”
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    Mr. Nice Guy: “It CAN’T be true, because Israel is beyond reproach! Must be the MSM!”

  • Matt

    They really don;’t care about world opinion, do they? To do this in the middle what’s going on in Gaza is almost too much.

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    bbpdx: “It _has_ to be true, because it’s Israel doing it!”

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Oh, and you might want to grab a napkin to wipe the slobber off your chin…

  • viciousmaniac

    In spite of the earlier go-round on related topics, I can’t support this, and it’s not in keeping with the Israel I’d read about.
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    What Israel did you read about? The one that effectively bars Arabs from owning property or even access to certain public beaches?
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    This current situation that had upset yourself is actually nothing new either. There’s long been laws banning political parties in Israel should they “deny the existence of the State of Israel”. This verbiage, of course, is also used to ban parties that simply want equal rights for all of Israel’s citizens.

  • bbpdx

    Mr. Nice Guy reads about the Israel he wants to read about.

  • bobcn1

    When does our investment in blood and treasure to bring democracy to the middle east start to pay dividends?

  • sevenoaks07

    Mr Nice Guy is engaging and we should answer his questions with information, not put downs. It is not difficult to support Israel’s aspirations and those of the Palestinians. It is not difficult to ask pointed questions of each party. If we want to get some consensus then let’s hold the leaders at the other end of the Mediterranean accountable. And our own, too. If Olmert’s put down of Condi is correct (and the reporting points that way) then I hope Olmert heads of to prison once he leaves office. On the face of it he looks two faced. His public posture is one thing, his private concession that Palestine has a right to co-exist is a source of confusion.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Just so yall know, Mr Nice Guy is a racist so there is no use in engaging him on this topic.

  • 53_3

    “Are we sure this is the _entire_ story? Is the MSM leaving out something intentionally to provoke a negative response? Wouldn’t be the first time…”
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    Well, I will complement you, MNG, for at least considering this possibility.
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    However, the Israel you read about?
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    It doesn’t exist.
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    I’ve stated many times in my posts relating to how Arab Israelis are treated, and well, it’s up to you to believe it or not. However, the single biggest caveat:
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    Racism is not a rare phenomona in Israel!

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    sevenoaks07
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    You might want to go back a few threads and see where MJG said if given a chance every single Arab would kill a Jew. No use in engaging that kind of jack ass.

  • 53_3

    I’ll also remind you, MNG, of your comments yesterday referring to all Palestinians as ‘pigs’ and ‘animals’.
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    Of course, I’m gonna bet that the individuals who passed this law feel the same way:
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    Pigs and other animals don’t have poltical rights.
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    The sweet irony…

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    > There’s long been laws banning political parties in Israel should they “deny the existence of the State of Israel”.

    Wouldn’t that, in fact, border on treasonous? Would our own government tolerate an anti-American political party dedicated to the destruction of the country?

    I sense the rabble is roused, again – the waters have been chummed – and rational discussion is out the window. I’ll leave you folks to your echo chamber. Have a good one!

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    53_3: no, I said _you guys_ were pigs. As in, “Don’t bother trying to teach a pig to sing,” etc.

    Sorry – this one caught my eye on the way out.

  • 53_3

    sg:
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    You might be right, but consider this:
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    “In spite of the earlier go-round on related topics, I can’t support this, and it’s not in keeping with the Israel I’d read about.”
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    That, my freind, is an inside-the-park home run!

  • 53_3

    “Sorry – this one caught my eye on the way out.”
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    That leaves you with ‘animals’.
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    Still gone, MNG. You are without a doubt, a racist.
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    Conclusion stands…

  • sevenoaks07

    sgw: like you I am appalled at the double standard in play; and I have watched MNG’s posts. Did not reply because others did. Unfortunately, Israel is looking like being the 39′-40 German Army in Warsaw. In that ghetto Jews were in the situation Gazans are now. Don’t Israelis see the connection? Funny things about historical memory. But we have a jackass in the White House for another week. Deo Volente.

  • 53_3

    Oh, here.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7825032.stm
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    This is from BBC. Confirmation from three sources now. Two plus the horse at the source.

  • 53_3

    sevenoaks07:
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    Have you read Leon Uris’s Mila 18?
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    It’s a very interesting story about how the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto, faced with starvation and certain death by being shipped to concentration camps, held off Germany’s crack SS troops for 44 days.
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    It’s a story of a people who had nothing to lose by fighting.
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    There is a message in this bottle…

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Let me hop back in here, for just a sec…

    A. If I’m racist, so are you guys; you just think your “side” is in the right. If it were up to the Palestinians / Arabs, Israel, and all of its people, wouldn’t exist.

    B. If I’m wrong about the Palestinian / Arab behavior, show me. Calling me racist says nothing about whether or not history has shown the Palestinians / Arabs have refused to engage in peaceful behavior. In fact, it says you don’t have a rebuttal for it.

    C. I hope 53_3 and sg don’t suffocate, giving each other hummers. Take a break, now and then, guys. I think there’s a market for that kind of thing on certain porn sites, though. Tape it and upload it – you might make a few bucks.

    Ok, now I’m out.

  • bitterpill8

    sevenoaks: Israel is now an assertive power, confident of its American patron and ready to push its luck. I guess Condi must feel like Powell. Back when I was at university in the UK I read a lot about the Warsaw Ghetto. It is a story of extraordinary courage, imagination and sacrifice. The oppressed are now the oppressors. Yeah, yeah I know, they have rockets fired at them. They only have F-16s, predators, Apache helicopters and tanks to help with the response. The IDF is really poorly equipped to deal with Hamas’s rockets.

  • constantweader

    What sort of “peace” can we expect in Israel if 1/5 of its citizens do not enjoy the rights of the 4/5ths majority? Isn’t it the sort of “peace” that Sadaam Hussein enforced in Iraq? Is this what we mean by “bringing freedom & democracy to the Middle East”? The Holy Land is looking rather unholy to me.

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • formerlyjames

    Congratulations, MS. This is the biggest firecracker I have seen on the Swamp in a while.
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    Remember the expression, I have become my father? Some Jews have become their persecutors, the fascists.

  • shaded

    Was brought with a pro-Israel bias – God’s own people, holocaust etc but Israel’s actions makes it really hard for its ‘friends’. London has seen days of anti-Israel protests and most people are not supporting Israel.

    If the Arab party ban is correct, that may just be last straw

  • bbpdx

    Let’s be clear about what these Arab parties stand for:
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    Their position is that everyone within Israel and the Palestinian territories should be included in one democracy – the so-called “One State” solution.
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    This would make Arabs the majority and Jews a large minority. It would no longer be a “Jewish state”. When Israelis say that these Arab parties “don’t recognize Israel’s right to exist” this is what they’re talking about.
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    Israel makes it sound as if these parties are calling for genocide of the Jews. They aren’t. They’re calling for all Palestinians to be included in one state with Jews and Arabs.
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    I don’t claim the one state solution is plausible, just that these parties are being misrepresented.

  • bbpdx

    shaded: “If the Arab party ban is correct, that may just be last straw”

    I’m wary of ever identifying a “last straw” in this conflict. But if America’s current leftward political shift coincides with a big Israeli shift to the right, it could definitely get interesting….

  • shaded

    bbpdx – the straw is personal i.e. I will stop making excuses for Israel’s behaviour.

  • michaelscherer

    updated above with a better explanation of what is going on, from the Jerusalem Post.

  • formerlyjames

    bbpdx, the one state solution is the only possible one to resolve the hatred and violence. If that does not happen eventually, Isreal will cease to exist. I belive that. The “Jewish state” is a fraud. The romance of it was established by Leon Uris novel “Exodis” and the subsequent movie. Stirring music and all. But the situation now is not fiction.
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    Ahhhh, I am just disgusted and will stop now. Humans are crazy.

  • bbpdx

    “At roughly the same time, a leader of Kadima called the Balad official an unemployed bum and told him to “go back to Syria.”
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    Stay classy, Israel.

  • bbpdx

    Shaded, sorry I misunderstood. I understand personal last straws in this conflect very well.

    bbpdx, ironically Israel is moving steadily towards a one state solution through colonization of the West Bank. They’re going to wake up with a choice between commiting genocide, or accepting the Palestinians. We’ll seehow that goes….

  • bbpdx

    That should say:

    FORMERLYJAMES, ironically Israel is moving steadily towards a one state solution through colonization of the West Bank. They’re going to wake up with a choice between commiting genocide, or accepting the Palestinians. We’ll seehow that goes….

  • formerlyjames

    Colonization of the West Bank? Settlement on Palestinian land not already stolen? Massive assault of Gaza? Good luck with world acceptance.

  • grape_crush

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    bbpdx: Let’s be clear about what these Arab parties stand for…
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    Yes, let’s be clear about what Israeli political parties stand for, shall we? We’ll start with who requested the ban in the first place…From the AP article:

    The requests to ban the Arab parties were filed by two ultra right parties Yisrael Beiteinu and National Union-National Religious Party.

    Yisrael Beiteinu‘s platform appears to be based on the idea that there is:

    a danger posed to the Jewish character of Israel by the rising percentage of Arabs in the population of the state…[and] that since the majority of Arab citizens of Israel do not serve in the Israeli army, and since many identify with the Palestinians, they are disloyal, and thus should not enjoy citizenship in Israel.

    The party’s founder, Avigdor Lieberman, who is quoted as saying:

    In November 2006, Lieberman called for the execution of any Arab Knesset members who meet with representatives of the Palestinian government, saying, “World War II ended with the Nuremberg trials. The heads of the Nazi regime, along with their collaborators, were executed. I hope this will be the fate of the collaborators in [the Knesset].”

    The National Union-National Religious Party is a merger of various right-wing political parties; anti-Palestinian state, preserving Israel’s Jewish ‘character’, religious orthodoxy, and so on.
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    What is really interesting is the timing of this move; Olmert’s resignation and the subsequent failure of Livni to form a coalition government means that elections are held on the 10th of February. Even if the Israeli Supreme Court overturns this, it’s might still act as a freeze-out of the Arab parties come election time.
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  • grape_crush

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    Last two paras are mine, and shouldn’t be blockquoted. Having a preview function would be so helpful.
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  • jresponds

    There are two things Michael didn’t mention – one he may not know, the other he should, and should have mentioned in the post. That he didn’t is at least tendentious – especially given his update.
    1)There are currently two banned parties (banned by the committee and upheld by the Supreme Court) – the first was Kahane Le’Keneset which was a fringe group advocating the forced relocation of all Palestinians to other countries. It was banned from running in 1988. In 1992, Kahane Chai an offshoot group was also banned from running. Both groups were declared illegal in 1994.
    2) Hadash is the “Jewish-Arab” party – the top of its list (and therefore its representation in parliament) is Arab. It was not included in the ban, largely because none of its elected members violated Israeli law by visiting Syria (there still exists a state of war between Israel and Syria), as Azmi Bishara (who is still the listed head of Balad – one of the two banned parties) did with two other members of Balad, while members of the Israeli parliament.
    2)There is no expectation (except maybe NRP-NU nutjobs) that the Israeli High Court of justice will uphold the ban. From a labor MP who voted for the ban (in contravention of labor’s stated position):
    “It’s true we said we wouldn’t ban, but [Balad leader MK Jamal] Zahalka’s statement that he was in touch with Bishara led me to think that we must draw the line somewhere,” he said. “I’m making no apologies because I fight more than most in the Knesset for equal rights for Arabs. I know it won’t stand up in the Supreme Court, and rightly so, because there is no evidentiary basis for the [committee's] decision

  • jresponds

    sorry – three, not two – I waffled on the last one, whether it mattered. One could argue, that regardless of whether the ban will *actually* stand, and whether it is even intended to stand, the fact that the committee voted for it is sufficiently undemocratic to claim hypocrisy.

  • 53_3

    Well, I can think of worse things than being insulted by racists.
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    Life goes on.
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    jresponds:
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    I think as far as decisions made by the courts are concerned, one should remember that their Supreme Court ruled that reporters should not be banned from Gaza.
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    And, of course, we all know what is happening with that

  • formerlyjames

    jresponds, thank you. I am humbled by my ignorance. I speak out only because I detest this violence, killing, and destruction. I don’t know all that much about it. You have helped me to try to understand.

  • jresponds

    I forgot several other Arab parties – the Arab Centre Party formed last month – with the stated goal of joining “any leftist government that supports peace”.

    The Arab National Party broke off from UAL in 1999. It didn’t run in 2003, and supported Balad in 2006, but could run on its own this year, or along with Arab Centre

  • 53_3

    grape_crush:
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    We could see real trouble in Israel for the Israeli Arabs. Avigdor is one of the most relentless and violent of the racists that are in Israeli government. He’s in the Zeevi mold, maybe worse.
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    If things get worse for Israel, we could see atrocities commited. These people are entirely capable of committing such, whether it consists of a pogrom to drive them out of Israel, or worse.
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    Keep in mind, Avigdor is just one of those that are not averse to the “or wrose” I just referred to…

  • 53_3

    jresponds:
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    Do you think that maybe this could be a political move by Likud to cement Netanyahu’s chances?

  • Paul-no not that one

    I’m late to all this but…
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    ” There’s long been laws banning political parties in Israel should they “deny the existence of the State of Israel”.
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    Wouldn’t that, in fact, border on treasonous? Would our own government tolerate an anti-American political party dedicated to the destruction of the country?”
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    Tolerate? The republican party nominated for vice president someone with ties to a separatist party. Alaska Independence Party.
    So yeah, we are strong enough to not have to outlaw political parties.

  • grandsophy

    After Vanunu, nothing Israel does surprises me anymore. this is a country that contradicts the basic freedoms that US stands for but no one in the US government seems to care.

  • jresponds

    @grape crush – While I don’t think it’s at all likely that UAL or Balad end up off the list, I think that the game-theory on this shows how short-sighted NRP-NU/Yisrael Beteinu are.
    1)Besides the Arab Lists (UAL, Balad, Hadash – and maybe Arab Center, which hopes for four seats), Israeli Arabs usually support Meretz or Labor (Labor usually runs several Israeli Arabs high on their list). Labor may suffer from being in the Government, and holding Ministry of Defense (Ehud Barak) during the Gaza op, which is unpopular (to say the least) among Israeli Arabs.
    2)Likud is polling to get the most seats in the upcoming election. Likud is a center-right party, and is more rightish since Kadima broke off.
    3)There is a quirk in Israeli election law. The party with the most seats in parliament doesn’t automatically form the next government. The president (Shimon Peres) gets to select the party he feels is most likely to form a stable coalition (at least 61 seats).
    4)Meretz has stated that it would refuse to sit in any government with Likud. Several other parties, including any Arab lists that meet the minimum threshold (2%), to the left of Meretz would follow suit. These parties (Hadash and Meretz pick up the 5 seats that UAL/Balad were projected to get) would represent 15 seats.
    5)While Likud is polling at 31, and Yisrael Beteinu at 11, NRP-NU (basically the religious settler party) which was 9 seats in opposition in the last election, broke up and its pieces poll at 6 seats. That’s 48 seats. If the left wing parties refuse to sit with likud, their only other option is Shas (ultra-orthodox party mainly representing sefardic Jews) polling at 11, which still doesn’t get to 61.
    6)Kadima+Labor is projected as 42 seats (15 for labor, 27 for kadima). Add 15 from the left wing block above, and 11 from shas (who’ll join any party if they get enough housing/school/food subsidies for their constituents), and voila – a center-left coalition, that only holds together if Meretz/Hadash are happy regarding the peace process (and as long as Shas isn’t pushed too hard too early on Jerusalem).

    This probably doesn’t happen with UAL/Balad – because Shas, and maybe Kadima wouldn’t sit with Balad after their members’ trips to Syria. If (as I believe will happen) UAL and Balad both run, the best hope for a center left coalition would be if the new Arab Center party takes seats from UAL/Balad, or backs Hadash. Otherwise, if the polling doesn’t shift, there may be a couple go-rounds, or Likud forms a center right coalition by begging in Kadima as co-equal, with Kadima demanding control over peace process.

  • formerlyjames

    jresponds, could you possibly condense that into some semblence of understanding regarding the possible reduction of meyham?

  • jresponds

    Condensed – Israel’s Attorney General has said there is insufficient evidence to show Balad or UAL meet the standard to be banned. Thereofore the ban will be overturned Friday by the court and they will be run as normal next month (see below). Most MKs voted to ban to censure Balad/UAL for their conduct vis-a-vis Israel’s military enemies, not because they thought the ban affective.

    My point above is that even is Yisrael Beitenu/NRP-NU got what they wanted and the ban were upheld, the impact on coalition building in the next parliament of such a ban would be to help Israeli moderates by grouping the Israeli Arab vote into other Arab Lists more likely to join a center-left coalition or into Left wing non-Arab lists (Imagine if the Republicans tried to ban the Ralph Nader or the Green party – the net result if they succeeded would be more votes for the Democrats).

    The Israeli Supreme Court is expected to overturn ban Friday (from jpost):
    Rivlin quoted the High Court’s 2003 ruling, saying the decision had mandated that there be substantial evidence that a given party supported an enemy’s armed fight against Israel in order to disqualify that party from running for the Knesset, not just random and sporadic hostile sentiments expressed by its members.

    Attorney Dana Briskman, speaking on behalf of Attorney-General Menahem Mazuz, told the committee prior to the vote that the attorney-general had not found sufficient evidence to disqualify Balad or UAL.

  • grape_crush

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    jresponds, thanks for an insight into the Israeli electoral map. I don’t think that either party will remain banned, only that political parties that experience turmoil shortly before an election tend not to fare well.
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    Anyway, in interpreting the numbers you’ve posted, the Likud-led center-right coalition falls just short of the seats needed, unless there are defections/losses for Labor, a deal struck with Kadima, or some other twist. On the other side, it may actually be better if UAL/Balad is marginalized, as long as those seats stay on the left…hence the ‘short-sightedness’ on the part of the right-wing NRP-NU/Yisrael Beteinu parties. Is that correct? Also, you mentioned what sounds like a third option, “a couple of go-rounds”, which I take to mean that the effort to form a governing majority wil fail again. If that is the case, do you have any guesses as to the ramifications?
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    Again, thanks. My exposure to All Things Israel is limited, and you seem to have a more thorough understanding than anyone that I’ve encountered.

  • oizydoizy

    Israel: Do not ban parties. Birthdays are fun.

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    PNNTO
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    Beat me to it on the AIP reference. But to expand just a little bit on that topic: The U.S. does ban individuals who admit to (or are caught) actively conspiring or plotting to overthrow the U.S. Government from serving in government or the military.
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    So while we do not ban people from advocating or organizing secessionist or revolutionary parties, if someone from such a party were to ever win national office they would be unable to take the oath of office (which requires swearing to defend the constitution) and therefore would be unable to assume the office to which they were somehow elected.
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    It’s not the same as banning a party or preventing people from running/organizing/advocating/lobbying, but we do have some restrictions. Also, Gaza and now this being largely driven by election-timed stunts is just gruesome. I’d also like to argue that Israel is much closer to the French at Versaille and the British blockade of Germany during WWI, with the Hamas rockets taking the place of the sinking of the Lusitania.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    And the Beholden Globe goes to … Ehud Olmert:

    “I said, ‘Get me President Bush on the phone,’ ” Mr. Olmert said in a speech in the southern Israeli city of Ashkelon, according to The Associated Press. “They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn’t care: ‘I need to talk to him now,’ ” Mr. Olmert continued. “He got off the podium and spoke to me.” [Link]

  • kathy

    Um, why is Chelsea Clinton standing up beside her mother while everybody else in the room is sitting down? She looks like somebody who stood at the wrong moment in a church service and then was too embarrassed to sit down (not that I’ve ever done that).

  • stuartzechman

    Why is it in the interests of the United States to be involved in this intractable foreign conflict at all?

  • pintortwo

    pourme- AFP gives more quotes from Olmert than the NYT link:
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    “She (Rice) was left shamed. A resolution that she prepared and arranged, and in the end she did not vote in favour,” Olmert said in a speech in the southern town of Ashkelon.
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    (snip)
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    “In the night between Thursday and Friday, when the secretary of state wanted to lead the vote on a ceasefire at the Security Council, we did not want her to vote in favour,” Olmert said.
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    “I said ‘get me President Bush on the phone’. They said he was in the middle of giving a speech in Philadelphia. I said I didn’t care. ‘I need to talk to him now’. He got off the podium and spoke to me.
    .
    “I told him the United States could not vote in favour. It cannot vote in favour of such a resolution. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favour.”
    .

  • cfukara

    bbpdx Says:
    Israel’s Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, “US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was left shamed….I said ‘get me President Bush on the phone … I need to talk to him now‘. He got off the podium and spoke to me. .. I told him the United States could not vote in favour…. He immediately called the secretary of state and told her not to vote in favour.”

    1) ‘Deja vu all over again!’ someone yelled.
    Do I remember a similar shame befalling another worthy African-American, Colin Powell?
    And in the same Bush administration!
    .

    2) Poor Condoleeza, she had a jolly good time strutting all over Africa trashing their constitutions, declaring their elections null and void, rubbishing their elected leaders and ordering presidents in Africa to obey the dictates of (white) USA-UK-EU axis of ? ..
    Amazing! It seems as if the African-Americans have not yet grasped the rudiments and realities of hegemony, survival and extinction in this dog-eat-dog world.
    Hopefully, time is on their side.
    .
    3) He-who-must-be-obeyed wants to speak to you NOW. You must drop everything you were doing and rush to receive your orders.
    “Yes, Bwana!”
    Is there one among you who still doesn’t know, or suspect, who the real superpower is?
    And ours is still the land of the brave and the free.

  • cfukara

    Pres Bush was constantly updated on what our representatives – and good Americans – were negotiating at the UN as part of the mandate the Americans gave them – to protect our national security and our interests.

    A foreigner, a sovereign leader of a foreign sovereign nation, has hereby clearly demonstrated overriding say over our interests and actions – and exercised coercive power over sovereign USA, our interests and our president.
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    1) Is there a present danger to our national security when a foreigner dictates what we do at the highest levels of diplomacy and foreign policy? Is a congressional investigation warranted?

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    2) What is the nature of that peremptory power wielded by the foreigner over our USA and our leader?

    [[There are tools (in our bag of intelligence operations and psyche warfare) which we employ when we go about getting foreigners and foreign leaders to do our bidding - money, ideology, compromise, ego. Are foreigners using the same on us and our leaders? Do we need to know if that is so and to what extent - as a matter of utmost urgency? ]]

  • fhmadvocat

    Let me see . . . . . .
    Kadima and Labor members who meet secretly and negotiate with the Syrians in Turkey are In . . . . . .
    But Arab MKs who meet openly in Syria to discuss peace are Out . . . . .
    What does that say about Israeli democracy?
    Evidently, someone wants to ban UAL because his feelings were hurt!

  • fhmadvocat

    The Israelis have a funny thing about banning organizations . . . . .
    During the 1970′s and early 80′s they banned the Palestinian Liberation Organization . . . . .
    While allowing the forerunner of HAMAS to operate in the West Bank and especially Gaza . . . . . . .
    Now look who is doing the shooting and who is willing to negotiate . . . . . . .

  • fhmadvocat

    Oh, by the way, there is a Jewish member of the Iranian parliament. However, I don’t know if he belons to a particular party or not.

  • viciousmaniac

    Meanwhile, British press pats American MSM on the head for not (entirely) playing the role of apologist/sycophant to Israel this time round. Good job, I suppose.
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    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/jan/13/us-media-israel-gaza

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