Blagojevich v. The Senate: Going To The Mat

Get ready for the standoff surrounding Roland Burris to get even weirder, as Senate Democrats map out their options for dealing with disgraced Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich’s pick to replace Barack Obama. Suffice it to say that none of them is pretty.

The best option, of course, would be for all sides to sit down and figure out a way to work this out. But at the moment, it looks like that is not going to happen. As Lynn Sweet reports, Senate Majority Whip (and Illinois senior Senator) Dick Durbin has left at least two telephone messages for Burris, but neither of those calls has been returned. (Burris says he hasn’t figured out how to work his cellphone, which suggests that perhaps he is indeed suited for the Senate.) So the assumption now is that Burris will be showing up Tuesday to get sworn in on the first day of the new congressional session.

The first thing the Senate leadership plans to do is to demand, under Rule 2 of the Standing Rules of the Senate, a certificate containing “the name of the person elected or appointed, the date of the certificate, the name of the governor and the secretary of state signing and countersigning the same, and the State from which such Senator is elected or appointed.”

Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White has said that he does not intend to sign the certificate–but that may not be all that much of an impediment. It turns out that Blagojevich–like every other Governor, I’m told–has a set of certificates that are pre-signed by the Secretary of State, to be used in the event of an emergency. If Burris shows up with one of those, the Senate leadership intends to reject it. But Senate leaders also are preparing for the possibility that Burris will get a Writ of Mandamus ordering the Secretary of State to sign the certificate.

At that point, the first order of business for the Senate would be to vote on a resolution questioning the validity of Blagojevich’s appointment of Burris, and specifically, raising the question that the Governor asked for or received something of value in exchange for naming Burris. (There is, of course, no evidence that anything like this happened.) The resolution would be nondebatable and nonamendable, which means the Republican minority would not be allowed to attach, say, a separate resolution blocking Al Franken from being seated from Minnesota. What happens then? The whole thing would be sent to the Senate Rules and Administration Committee for “investigation.” Said investigation would have a time limit, specifically written to give the Illinois Legislature enough time to impeach Blagojevich, put Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn in the job, and get a new appointment.

Sound complicated? You bet. And the one thing we know about the Senate is that things there rarely play out exactly as planned.

UPDATE: Commenter pourmecoffee has some advice for Burris:

Burris says he hasn’t figured out how to work his cellphone,

Just speak into it and maybe one of Fitzgerald’s people can help him out.

UPDATE2: J-Ham warns that that the Democrats could be giving ammunition to the Republicans.

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  • ivb3016

    To think, they could have spent this kind of energy opposing FISA. Or, the Iraq War…

  • Paul-no not that one

    If only the senate Democrats were this crafty when it comes to matters of the state.

  • Paul-no not that one

    ivb, “we reach” ha

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    The Senate is good at this.

  • rose83

    The best option, of course, would be for all sides to sit down and figure out a way to work this out. But at the moment, it looks like that is not going to happen.

    Reid only knows how to compromise with Republicans.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Reid only knows how to compromise with Republicans.”
    .
    Compromise, capitulate. PoTAto, paTAHto.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Burris says he hasn’t figured out how to work his cellphone,

    Just speak into it and maybe one of Fitzgerald’s people can help him out.

  • mrtoads

    Love it – Reid finally gets his back up over a completely lawful effort made by an unindicted (if thoroughly corrupt) Democrat to get a completely legitimate pick into the Senate. Ah, if only there was any Republican involvement – then Reid’s involvement would be limited to tough talk followed by the inevitable capitulation. Still, there’s hope for Burris – capitulation has become such a habit with Reid that he may just find himself giving in by accident.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    This is much ado about nothing. The Senate Dems have already folded they just haven’t turned in their cards yet. They know good and hell well they don’t want to have this story in the news for the next 90 days while the committee is investigating and while they are still trying to get Blago out of office. Imagine Burris showing up for work every day for 90 days in front of the cameras and being denied access. There isn’t a Dem in the whole Senate right now who has the courage to weather that media sh!t storm. Wake me up when Harry Reid comes to the lecturn to give one of his woe is me speeches about how he doesn’t have te votes to keep him out.

  • gysgt213

    “Reid only knows how to compromise with Republicans.”
    .
    Code for free no strings attached handjobs.

  • gysgt213

    Oh great! Greg Sargent is defecting and joining the enemy.
    .
    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/01/signing_off_–_farewell_tpmers.php

  • bitterpill8

    Comment by a studiously non-political Mrs Bitter: “Ha: it will all be there on tv in black and white”.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Greg Sargent is defecting and joining the enemy.”
    .
    He is in for a serious downgrade in co-workers named Kurtz.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    gysgt
    .
    I can’t knock his hustle. Everybody still has to pay the bills.

  • Deggjr

    Watch Reid chase this shiny object rather than govern. Obama may need to come down from the mountaintop to try to help Reid focus on the country’s problems but that may not lead to resolution. Reid can be so obtuse.
    .
    Reports of the death of the Republican party are greatly exaggerated.
    .
    I look forward to the Internet fund-raising of Reid’s primary opponent. If Reid wins and the Republicans nominate anyone with any credibility, I look forward to that fund-raising as well.

  • shepherdwong

    “…a time limit, specifically written to give the Illinois Legislature enough time to impeach Blagojevich, put Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn in the job, and get a new appointment.”

    So what’s stopping them from doing it like…now?

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Illinois House Speaker Michael Madigan is calling lawmakers back to Springfield next week for a possible vote on impeaching Gov. Rod Blagojevich. [Link]

    Yes, IL has got to get it together and quickly.

  • gysgt213

    And they are doing it on Wed so it won’t spoil the charade in the senate.

  • jose

    It’s too late. The deed is done and Burris is going to be a senator. I’ve read everything so far and there’s no compelling or even an interesting argument otherwise. Blago is the Governor of Illinois and he appointed a replacement. Unless there’s a law that says the governor loses this right if he gets bugged, he’s in. Everything from this point on is going to embarrass the dems to no end, especially Reid.

  • jose

    Of course, I could be wrong.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Off topic.
    .
    KT, or somebody, could you please remind Michael Kinsley that there WERE terrorist attacks after 9/11, on Bush’s watch, that they involved anthrax, they were never solved, they were far more terrifying to the country than the WTC/Pentagon attacks, and they still have effectively shut down the postal delivery system on the Hill.
    .
    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1869213,00.html

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “To think, they could have spent this kind of energy opposing FISA. Or, the Iraq War…”
    .
    To think, the media could have spent this kind of energy reporting on FISA, the run up to and conduct of the Iraq War, politicization of the DOJ, Bush Admin anti science shenanigans, missing money in Iraq, Downing Street Memo….
    .
    Karen, are you going to make a career out of this low hanging fruit? One of the biggest reasons the Dems are running around w/ all this energy is that they know you in the media will never stop stoking the flames of outrage, why you couldn’t have stoked those flames when it came to far more important and far reaching issues is a question you should answer one day.

  • dunedweller

    Hi K-Tum, Happy 2009! I read your last post and thought – how incredibly childish is this going to get? I’m picturing senators putting Ex-Lax in Burris’ coffee, or shooting spit wads at him. Is it feasible that he be appointed by Blag (who, like it or not, is still technically innocent) and allowed to begin on Tuesday, then if and when a conviction is made his appointment is considered null and void? I suppose that’s what they are getting at in this post, but it seems incredibly complicated. PR-wise wouldn’t it be best to allow the appointment and answer questions with “We will address this matter with due diligence when justice has been served.”

  • gysgt213

    Jane is asking among other things:
    .
    How does it look now that Reid is manipulating Senate procedure to exclude Burris, but simply shrugged his shoulders over Samuel Alito, warrantless wiretapping and the Military Commissions Act?
    .
    My answer: It will look like Harry Reid’s stellar leadership.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Im not really feeling K-Tum
    .
    I think K-Teezie is much more appropriate.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    BTW
    .
    K-Teezie have you started on your book about the campaign yet?
    .
    I didn’t forget.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!


    “Like many others, I’ve been saying this for years. So I’m surprised to be surprised. But the journalistic establishment in Washington, whether it’s the Post or the Politico or much of the rest of the journalistic apparatus in the city, is essentially Republican in character — not necessarily in terms of individual voting habits, though you’d be surprised, but in fundamental outlook about whose opinions matter and how government functions, which is what really counts. And you can see that resurfacing with increasing clarity just in that last week.”

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/01/dc_still_a_repu.php

  • gysgt213

    Boobs. And not the fun kind.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

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  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    wow white twice. Damm, is she transparent?

  • gysgt213

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    Franken holds a 49-vote lead over incumbent Republican Sen. Norm Coleman, pending the resolution of the absentee ballots. Franken’s campaign has declined to say whether he would try to take his seat immediately if the canvassing board certifies him the winner.
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    Well at least Frankin can count on Harry Reid. Oh wait. Frankin is a democrat.
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28471165/

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    re: JMM’s remark.
    .
    It’s funny that wingnuts claim that the educational backgrounds of journalists imparts a liberal bias, but they notice no bias stemming from their also being in the top decile of income earners.

  • sidneysmalls

    *** KT, or somebody, could you please remind Michael Kinsley that there WERE terrorist attacks after 9/11, on Bush’s watch, that they involved anthrax, they were never solved, they were far more terrifying to the country than the WTC/Pentagon attacks, and they still have effectively shut down the postal delivery system on the Hill. ***

    Yo, dumbass. The article you linked to refers to FOREIGN terrorist attacks. There were none. Kinsley doesn’t need reminding — you need reading lessons.

  • rose83

    It’s funny that wingnuts claim that the educational backgrounds of journalists imparts a liberal bias, but they notice no bias stemming from their also being in the top decile of income earners.

    Obviously I basically agree, but to be fair/accurate very high-income people are now more likely to vote Democratic.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    jay
    .
    educational background is bullsh!t anyway. I don’t give a damm who is teaching you in college to do what job, when you get hired by whatever company hires you then you conform to what THEY want you to do. You can take your liberal ass to work for Rupert Murdock if you want to. I bet you won’t last long trying to write about the need for universal healthcare or trying to advocate for gay marriage. The need to pay bills usually out weighs any lofty ideals from some liberal college IMHO.

  • rose83

    Forgot to include a link with that last post: http://rossdouthat.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/11/two_paths_to_reform.php

    David Frum, on the other hand, can look at polls showing that McCain lost three points among college graduates, nine points among people making $100,000 a year, and an astonishing seventeen points among people making over $200,000 a year,

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Why I don’t like Burris:


    “It seems that as state attorney general, Burris pressed for the execution of a man so obviously innocent that prosecutors resigned in protest rather than pursue the case.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/roland_burris_and_justice.html

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!
  • 53_3

    I think this is ridiculous.
    .
    Burris isn’t the problem, Blagojevich is.
    .
    One of the reasons I don’t post much on blogs with subjects of this type is that after having battled right wing trolls and more reasoned conservatives, I’m left with the feeling that I’m stooping too low here. Attacking or being attacked by fellow follewers of the new administration just doesn’t interest me.
    .
    We are just doing to ourselves what FOX can’t:
    .
    We’re smearing ourselves with the Blagojevich scandal and we are breaking the law to do it!
    .
    Hannity and Rush must be loving this…

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I’ve been thinking about which Democratic Senator should be the actual bouncer when Burris shows up, and it’s got to be Jon Tester. He’s got the look. I am a little worried Burris might cut himself on Tester’s hair, though.

  • ivb3016

    jayackroyd, the Bushies have finally decided to adopt the “foreign” qualifier since anthrax was so persistently pointed out – not to mention Tim McVey (oh sorry, he was really one of them, so they dropped him off the radar as well.)
    .
    And, none of the real victims of anthrax made a statement like this one as Krugman reminded yesterday. Did Alberto Gonzales, the former attorney general, really say, “I consider myself a casualty, one of the many casualties of the war on terror”? Proportion.

  • ivb3016

    Realize that McVey was before the Bush admin, but they acted as though there had never been an attack by other than those dreaded Muslims.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Uhmm what was the DC Sniper or have we all forgotten about terrorist attacks that happened in the nations capital just a year after 9-11. I know they were black folks but they still count dammit!

  • ivb3016

    sgw, the DC Sniper certainly caused as much panic and terror as the anthrax attacks did. In both cases, longer term general worry (is there something in this letter I got; is it safe to stop at this gas station on I95) than the attacks on the World Trade Center.

  • Karen Tumulty

    they sure scared the heck out of me.

  • shepherdwong

    “The article you linked to refers to FOREIGN terrorist attacks. There were none.”

    The anthrax attacks are unsolved crimes, only the perp(s) know where or from whom those attacks were launched. At the outset, the Bushies and some of their enablers in the MSM were pushing the notion that it was none other than Iraq/Saddam Hussein.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Everyone should just be happy, as happy as Joe Klein was, that those pizza delivery guys weren’t able to launch their assault on Ft Dix w/ their calzones of death.

  • Cliff

    Man, is someone paying Blago to do this to the Democrats? This whole deal seems almost custom tailored to reveal the Dem leadership as incompetent ninnies.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Did Bush even make any statements during the DC Sniper seige? I honestly don’t remember. But I do know the federal government was impotent when it came to stopping them.

  • pintortwo

    O-T
    .
    Israel believes its has won broad international support in the media for its actions in Gaza thanks to its PR strategy, which through a new body has for months been concerned with formulating plans and role-playing to ensure that government officials deliver a clear, unified message to the world’s press.
    .
    The body, known as the National Information Directorate, was set up eight months ago following recommendations from an Israeli inquiry into the 2006 Lebanon war. Its role is to deal with hasbara – meaning, in Hebrew, “explanation”, and referring variously to information, spin, and propaganda.
    .
    The directorate’s chief, Yarden Vatikai, said: “The hasbara apparatus needed a body that would co-ordinate its agencies, coordinate the messages and become a platform for co-operation between all the agencies that deal with communication relations and public diplomacy.”
    .
    The directorate acts across ministries and decides key messages on a daily basis. Of its core messages for the media, there has been the advice that Hamas broke the ceasefire agreements with Israel; that Israel’s objective is the defence of its population; and that Hamas is a terror organisation targeting Israeli civilians. “In general, we think we are succeeding in getting the message across,” said Vatikai.

    .
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/02/israel-palestine-pr-spin

  • shepherdwong

    “they sure scared the heck out of me.”
    .
    And I bet you even knew it was more dangerous to drive to the gas station.
    .
    “This whole deal seems almost custom tailored to reveal the Dem leadership as incompetent ninnies.”
    .
    (See: ship, sailed).

  • constantweader

    It is increasingly obvious that Barack Obama is going to have to abandon his “above the fray” attitude and DO SOMETHING about the debacle surrounding his vacated Senate seat. This three-ring circus is great for the Republicans, but it’s bad for the Democrats and bad for the country. If Obama can’t broker a deal between two Democrats — Harry Reid & Roland Burris — how is he going to broker peace talks between…(fill in the blank)?

    Otherwise, we can expect to see a passle of burly guards kicking an elderly black man down the Capitol steps while his sidekick (Bobby Rush) stands by crying, “racist lynch mob!” Rick Warren is bad enough, but this??? Nice way to start to “change the toxic politics in Washington”!

    The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com

  • formerlyrainbow68

    Is this just about Blago? Is Burris unqualified? I’ve heard that he’s bland, but is that enough to forbid him to hold the seat?

    BTW, Drudge reporting that John Travolta’s 16 year old son has died. Details uncertain.

  • shepherdwong

    “Is this just about Blago? Is Burris unqualified?”
    .
    By all accounts, he’s a relatively unaccomplished egomaniac (he named both his kids – one, a girl – after himself). So yes, he a appears to be entirely qualified for a job in the Senate. That also explains what this is all about.

  • shepherdwong

    “J-Ham warns that that the Democrats could be giving ammunition to the Republicans.”
    .
    Someone might want to send Johnny C. a note to let him know that, unlike Burris, Franken was actually, you know, elected by the voters.

  • rubypanther

    # shepherdwong Says:
    Friday, January 2, 2009 at 3:25 pm

    “The article you linked to refers to FOREIGN terrorist attacks. There were none.”

    The anthrax attacks are unsolved crimes, only the perp(s) know where or from whom those attacks were launched. At the outset, the Bushies and some of their enablers in the MSM were pushing the notion that it was none other than Iraq/Saddam Hussein.

    False. It’s only “unsolved” in the sense that since Bruce Ivins committed suicide a few months back, a case against him cannot be moved forwards to prove his guilt in a court of law.

  • shepherdwong

    “It’s only “unsolved” in the sense that since Bruce Ivins committed suicide a few months back, a case against him cannot be moved forwards to prove his guilt in a court of law.”
    .
    Do tell. I’ve got a nice piece of property in south Florida you should be interested in.

  • formerlyrainbow68

    Thank you, Shephardwong. I’m really frustrated, no angry, that President Obama has this hanging over his head even before he’s inaugurated. And it’s friendly fire, too!

  • ivb3016

    False. It’s only “unsolved” in the sense that since Bruce Ivins committed suicide a few months back, a case against him cannot be moved forwards to prove his guilt in a court of law.
    .
    Of course they were equally certain that Stephen Hatfill was the guilty one and for a far longer period of time. I know someone who worked with Ivins and she is very dubious about the government’s case.
    .
    But all that is beside the point.
    .
    There have been terrorist attacks apart from those on Sept. 11 both here, and particularly abroad, and by all accounts the Bush administration has made us more vulnerable to a future attack in this country.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla
  • yoshiattack

    Whatever is discussed about the responsibility for the anthrax terrorism, I disagree that those attacks were more terrifying to the country than thousands of people being obliterated in an all-out assault on our financial and military headquarters carried out with an investment in box cutters. I mean, come on.

  • shepherdwong

    “I’m really frustrated, no angry, that President Obama has this hanging over his head even before he’s inaugurated. And it’s friendly fire, too!”
    .
    Save some of your ire for our vapid press corps, for whom this sort of political drama is what matters above everything that is truly important (though, I must admit, this is such a big-top political circus it’s actually a good and illustrative story).
    .
    My guess is that the Obama folks know that the way past this to seat Burris and impeach Blago, probably in that order. Reid and the Illinois legislature blew the only chances we had to prevent this.

  • rubypanther

    Co-workers are always dubious. Like when somebody goes on a rampage and their neighbors usually say, “I can’t believe he’d do something like that.” Monsters do those things, co-workers and neighbors are real people, not monsters.

    The accusations against Hatfill were weak and circumstantial. If you look at the publicly available evidence against Ivins, you will see that there is very substantial evidence. Nothing at all like the weak and unprofessional slanders against Hatfill. It includes the facts like:

    Analysis of contaminants indicate that parent spores were taken from the flask containing variant RMR-1029 (of which Ivins was the sole custodian) on at least 2 occasions. Immediately before the two clusters of mailings, Ivins access to the room containing the vial spiked substantially, for no valid work reason.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93364738 has links to the released data.

    Information like this is much more interesting than co-workers judging him by the public face he showed them. Again, co-workers are humans, and it’s monsters that commit atrocities.

  • kathy

    If the Republicans try to block Frankin they only end up looking as unreasonable as the Democrats; they should hold their fire, but probably won’t. (In fact, they’ll look more unreasonable than the Democrats).
    .
    It was only a couple of weeks ago when anyone who even talked to Blago was considered tainted. So it’s not so unreasonable to want to investigate Burris’s selection.
    .
    Fitzgerald seems to want to delay the indictment because people are coming out of the woodwork now that they know they’ve been taped.
    .

  • gysgt213

    “If the Republicans try to block Frankin they only end up looking as unreasonable as the Democrats; they should hold their fire, but probably won’t. (In fact, they’ll look more unreasonable than the Democrats).”
    .
    But there is a big difference Kathy. The republicans really don’t care what the media or you or me say. As long as their base is happy and their based would be. But as matter of course, the GOP is much better at selling this stuff with a straight face than the demos are. Hence we have this sorry scene about to happen next week where even if Reid wins. He loses.

  • kathy

    Rainbow
    .
    Is this just about Blago? Is Burris unqualified? I’ve heard that he’s bland, but is that enough to forbid him to hold the seat?
    .
    I don’t think it’s about Burris at all. There would be no reason not to seat him, except that Blago has been accused of fraudulently attempting to sell this seat. It’s hard to go ahead and say “well okay, just as long as we know you wanted to sell the seat, we can now trust that of course you wouldn’t still try to get something in return for the seat, and all is forgiven.”
    .
    There are all sorts of crimes where, before conviction, we keep the accused from being in a position to perhaps commit the same crime again. Blago is out on bail, and perhaps that was a mistake.

  • kathy

    Gunny – I think in truth the Dems are damned if they do and damned if they don’t, from a PR POV. Imagine if they had said “oh well of course there’s no reason not to accept Blagojevich’s appoinment at face value. cmon down.”

  • shepherdwong

    “Whatever is discussed about the responsibility for the anthrax terrorism, I disagree that those attacks were more terrifying to the country than thousands of people being obliterated in an all-out assault on our financial and military headquarters carried out with an investment in box cutters. I mean, come on.”
    .
    Agreed. The shock value of what al Qaeda did that day was truly diabolical. The only shred of defense for the mainstream press corps’ enabling of the Bush regime afterward is that witnessing that event drove us all a little mad for a while (eg., Bush’s approval rating went up 30 points after he let “Obama [determined to] strike the US,” spent another seven minutes reading to school children and then fled to the skies for the rest of the day). The only good news was that it was an almost impossible act to follow and anything substantially less dramatic would have made al Qaeda look impotent – probably the real reason we’ve been spared from further attack (along with the fact that the FBI finally pulled their heads from their @sses and started paying attention to the threat).

  • shepherdwong

    “Information like this is much more interesting than co-workers judging him by the public face he showed them.”
    .
    Perhaps. But it is also far from conclusive and there are a number of exculpatory facts as well (see linky above). The fact is, the FBI blew this one too and we’ll probably never know the truth of it.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    gysgt
    .
    I started typing then saw your post and you said it just like I would have. Oh and its Franken not Franklin Kathy.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    yoshiaattack says
    .

    Whatever is discussed about the responsibility for the anthrax terrorism, I disagree that those attacks were more terrifying to the country than thousands of people being obliterated in an all-out assault on our financial and military headquarters carried out with an investment in box cutters. I mean, come on.

    .
    I think that is a debatable point. I know a lot of people who didn’t live in major cities and don’t fly much who were scared about 9-11 but didn’t necessarily think it would ever touch them. But with the anthrax mailings EVERYBODY thought they might be next. Hell there were reports of mail with suspicious powder being sent to some people not too long ago after the election. Thats not to diminish what happened on 9-11 but I think you are diminishing the effect the anthrax attacks had. Especially when not long after that people were sending hoax anthrax letters.

  • kathy

    sgwhite – mmm. just a typo – I did Frankin not Franklin, and not Franken.

  • ivb3016

    sgw, thank you. That was the point I was trying to make. If you lived on the I-95 corridor and were going to travel through MD and DC, the sniper caused a more immediate scare effect as well.

  • shepherdwong

    “If you lived on the I-95 corridor and were going to travel through MD and DC, the sniper caused a more immediate scare effect as well.”
    .
    Just don’t overlook the magnifying effect of having recently witnessed the 9/11 attacks. Much like the current financial crisis, these things can have widespread, long-lasting, mostly unsuspected psychological effects. It’s a good idea to try to be aware of them.

  • http://www.newsforum.com/politics/20631-obama-blagojevich-appointee-shouldnt-seated.html#post35056 Obama: Blagojevich appointee shouldn’t be seated

    [...] that Burris will get a Writ of Mandamus ordering the Secretary of State to sign the certificate. MORE __________________ When Obama be President – he gonna bring [...]

  • http://time.postdown.com/2009/01/02/senate-showdown-looms/ Time » Blog Archive » Senate Showdown Looms

    [...] TIME’s Karen Tumulty examines options to avert a confrontation on the Senate floor. [...]

  • formerlyjames

    A smart move by Burris would be to graceously decline Blago’s appointment. But as all politicians are basically corrupt, he doesn’t even see, much less appreciate, such a position.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    formerlyjames
    .
    Smart for whom though? Lets be real here for a moment, if Burris is seated nothing about this situation will hinder him from doing his job. The only possibly hinderances will be to any Dems looking to get elected in subsequent years and Burris trying to get reelected. Republicans and Democrats alike can call Burris everything but a child of God but they can’t affect the way he votes or when he votes if he is seated. He doesn’t need an office to vote, hell he doesn’t even need the confidence of his colleagues to vote. And what other than voting do you or anybody else think he will be doing in the Senate for the next two years? Its actually a sweet deal for Burris. He doesn’t have to raise money or do any debates and he gets to say he was a US Senator and get it inscribed on his monument. He literally has nothing to lose and everything to gain from agreeing to the appointment. I wish he wasnt as selfish and tone deaf about it and that he would have said no but that doesn’t change the facts of the situation.

  • berkeleyfarm

    Yeah, it’s pretty much win-win for Burris as well as being a master political stroke for Blago.
    .
    Personally I think the Senate should just stop flapping their gums about it and seat him. He’s a lot better than Blago could have picked (e.g. parachuting himself in or picking someone else for the f*** you factor – I joked that he should have told Alan Keyes to move back to Ill-annoy, fast) and seating him will get it out of the news cycle. It will also give the contenders for the ’10 election time to raise money and mobilize.
    .
    Whiskey tango foxtrot at Burris not returning Dick Durbin’s calls, though. That is plain old-fashioned bad manners.

  • gysgt213

    Did I mention how f***king stupid Harry Reid is?
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    Days before Gov. Blagojevich was charged with trying to sell President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. Senate seat to the highest bidder, top Senate Democrat Harry Reid made it clear who he didn’t want in the post: Jesse Jackson, Jr., Danny Davis or Emil Jones.
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    Rather, Reid called Blagojevich to argue he appoint either state Veterans Affairs chief Tammy Duckworth or Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan, sources told the Chicago Sun-Times.
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    Sources say the Senate majority leader pushed against Jackson and Davis — both democratic congressmen from Illinois — and against Jones — the Illinois Senate president who is the political godfather of President-elect Barack Obama — because he did not believe the three men were electable. He feared losing the seat to a Republican in a future election.
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    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/blagojevich/1360191,harry-reid-blagojevich-jesse-jackson-010209.article

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    berkley
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    I believe now its Durbin thats not returning calls. Oh and what gysgt said.
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    Game Set Match.
    .
    K-Teezie this is one story you can write the obituary on. Capitulation HERE WE COME!

  • berkeleyfarm

    sg: Was capitulation ever in doubt? We are talking about Reid, after all. (LOL)

    Lisa Madigan would have been a bold political move by Blago, because it is well known in Illinois that they hate each other (no quid pro quo) and it would have taken her out of his hair. But yeah, the race card. And it wouldn’t have stopped her from gunning hard for the state house in ’10.

  • bitterpill8

    Cave-in Reid or Craven Reid or both?

  • sqr1

    Omfg, Reid!

    New thread, K-Tizzle! Newthread, please.

  • http://discovertexarkana.com/2009/01/senate-showdown-looms/ Discover Texarkana » Senate Showdown Looms

    [...] TIME’s Karen Tumulty examines options to avert a confrontation on the Senate floor. [...]

  • mithra5

    How about giving this a rest? When saying bad things and being a butt is against the law there will be no one left

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    A serious question: is it really clear that Madigan/Duckworth are significantly more electable than all three of Davis/Jones/Jackson? Maybe so, but it’s not to me. If it isn’t, I’m not amused by Reid’s comment. Does he hold some kind of baseline prejudice against black candidates that is not based on data? Moreover, if he is in general terms “right” that a black candidate faces tougher obstacles in a statewide election, is it really alright for the Majority Leader of the Senate to be lobbying against their candidacy — essentially reinforcing cultural disadvantages. Reid must be held to account for his reasons here.

  • jlperkins2004

    53_3 Says:
    Friday, January 2, 2009 at 2:39 pm
    I think this is ridiculous.
    .
    Burris isn’t the problem, Blagojevich is.

    . . . .
    .
    We are just doing to ourselves what FOX can’t:

    We’re smearing ourselves with the Blagojevich scandal and we are breaking the law to do it!

    Hannity and Rush must be loving this…

    And I say Amen, Amen and Amen – if Reid persists in his foolishness he will perpetuate an image of Democrats as incompetent and ineffectual fuzzy headed thinkers – and for what?

  • http://www.coffeerama.com coffee fiend

    i’m hoping Blagojevich will inspire Congress to finally grow a pair and start doing what’s best for the people they represent (by putting this guy away for a long time)

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