Pardon Season Update

President Bush issued another round of pardons yesterday, including a rare posthumous one for a man convicted of selling B-17s in 1948 to Jewish resistance fighters in Israel. None of the names on the list were the big ones (like Scooter Libby) about which there has been so much speculation. But P.S. Ruckman Jr., an associate professor of politcal science at Rock Valley College in Illinois, raises questions about this one. You can read Ruckman’s blog Pardon Power here. It includes his own “watch list” and historic comparisons between Bush and other Presidents in their use of the pardon.

UPDATE ON THE UPDATE: Never mind. Dana Perino’s statement:

Yesterday the President forwarded to the Pardon Attorney a Master Warrant of Clemency including 19 requests for pardons with direction that he execute and deliver grants of clemency to the named individuals.

With respect to the case of Mr. Isaac R. Toussie, the Counsel to the President reviewed the application and believed, based on the information known to him at the time, that it was a meritorious application. He so advised the President, who accepted the recommendation.

Based on information that has subsequently come to light, the President has directed the Pardon Attorney not to execute and deliver a Grant of Clemency to Mr. Toussie. The Pardon Attorney has not provided a recommendation on Mr. Toussie’s case because it was filed less than five years from completion of his sentence. The President believes that the Pardon Attorney should have an opportunity to review this case before a decision on clemency is made.

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  • nibblybits

    Talk about pay-for-play. Justice doesn’t seem to apply to the rich who make judicious donations.

  • Andy from MA

    KT thanks for posting on this. OT, I got a huge belly laugh went you mentioned your kids didn’t want to be interrupted on Christmas morning by anything like God. Very funny.
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    I wouldn’t expect a pardon for Scooter or Gonzo until 11:58 am on 1/20/09.

  • sqr1

    Haven’t you heard, KT? This entire financial mess is the fault of predatory “urban” borrowers. Once liberals took away the ability of banks to redline, lenders were helpless to stop themselves from handing out loans no questions asked.
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    Bush has done what he could with the TARP money to stand up for the banks, insurance companies, and hedge funds who were scammed by these ruthless borrowers.
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    With this pardon, Bush put a human face on the tragedy. A poor real estate developer who was savaged by the greed and deceit of the masses.

  • kathy

    I’m curious why what is reported to be a good proportion of Bush’s pardons being for drug offenses. Any ideas?
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    KT – your tamales are perfectly safe to eat if they haven’t thawed. If they’ve been in your fridge freezer they might taste weird, but otherwise okay. This is from the USDA site on such things:
    http://www.fsis.usda.gov/help/faqs_hotline_preparation/index.asp#1
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    >How long is it safe to keep a turkey, or other meat or poultry product, in the freezer?
    Because freezing keeps food safe almost indefinitely, recommended storage times are for quality only. Refer to the freezer storage chart at the end of Focus on Freezing, which lists optimum freezing times for best quality.’

  • James, Los Angeles

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    From Scott Horton:
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    Open criminality is a cancer on democracy. It implicates all who know of the conduct and fail to act. Such compliance presents a practical crisis, in that a government that is allowed to torture will inevitably transgress other legal limits. But it also presents an existential political crisis. Many democracies have simply collapsed as the people permitted their leaders to abandon the rule of law in the face of alleged external threats. The turn to torture was rapid, for instance, in Argentina at the time of the Dirty War and in Chile after the American-directed coup against Salvador Allende. In both cases, that turn had little to do with a perceived benefit from the use of torture in interrogation. To the contrary, the very criminality of the act had a talismanic significance. It asserted the primacy of the will of the torturer. It made the claim, for all to accept or reject, that the ruler was the law. Such a claim is, of course, intolerable to democracy, which presupposes, as Thomas Paine wrote, that “the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other.”

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    Justice after Bush:
    Prosecuting an outlaw administration
    By Scott Horton
    http://harpers.org/archive/2008/12/0082303
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  • Paul-no not that one

    “Clinton came under fire for a flurry of last-minute pardons that included fugitive financier Marc Rich,”
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    It is impossible to write a story about Bush and pardons without mentioning Marc Rich.
    It is Pavlovian.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The only pardons that Bush can issue that will raise my eyebrows are for people who have not yet been indicted. Once those start happening, expect the worst.

  • gysgt213

    James-let’s compliment Horton with a dose of that liberal cheeto eating Greenwald.
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    That’s exactly right. The same controversies over government lawbreaking arise over and over. And why is that? Because our political leaders keep breaking the law — chronically and deliberately. And why do they keep doing that? Because there is no deterrent against it. Every time they get caught breaking the law, the Ronald Reagans and Ruth Marcuses of the world step in to insist that they should not be punished, that the criminal law is not for elite leaders in political office, that those involved in the noble function of ruling America are too intrinsically well-intentioned to warrant punishment even when they commit crimes, that it’s more important to look forward than back.
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    Every time we immunize political leaders from the consequences of their crimes, it’s manipulatively justified in the name of “ensuring that it never happens again.” And every time, we do exactly the opposite: we make sure it will happen again. And it does: Richard Nixon is pardoned. J. Edgar Hoover’s lawbreakers are protected. The Iran-contra criminals are set free and put back into government. Lewis Libby is spared having to serve even a single day in prison despite multiple felony convictions. And now it’s time to immunize even those who tortured detainees and spied on Americans in violation of numerous treaties, domestic laws, and the most basic precepts of civilized Western justice.
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    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/?source=rss

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    The thing about Bush’s pardon of Tousies is not just the appearance of a bribe but also the visual of pardoning a guy involved in mortgage fraud during a mortgage crisis in this country. The only thing about it is I doubt anybody is really going to make a stink about it for more than a day or two. After all he was only selling the crappy houses to teh poor blaks. Who cares about them, right?

  • gysgt213

    “After all he was only selling the crappy houses to teh poor blaks. Who cares about them”
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    Oh get real SG. You know full well teh poor screwed over all the MBAs and thrust the entire country in to this melt down. Happy Festivus! Now quit crying and fight your father!
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    http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=14894

  • Andy from MA
  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    gysgt
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    lol. By the way, CNN just released the results of their new poll on Obama. Get this, his approval numbers went UP. How’s that attack ad going for you RNC?
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    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/24/cnn-poll-obama-transition-draws-approval-of-4-in-5-americans/#more-33485

  • Andy from MA

    Gunny and SG have a safe and Merry Christmas. See you after the holidays.

  • gysgt213

    Andy-What makes Caroline Hussein Kennedy qualified? Merry Christmas.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    Andy
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    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and yours.

  • gysgt213

    Most important link of the day. For you kids.
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    http://www.noradsanta.org/

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “including a rare posthumous one for a man convicted of selling B-17s in 1948 to Jewish resistance fighters in Israel”
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    Ahhhh yes, ‘resistance fighters’. It’s interesting that we don’t call Hamas ‘resistance fighters’. I wonder why that is?
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    Happy Holidays and Merry Xmas. The last one of an era…enjoy it.

  • 53_3

    sqr1:
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    “Once liberals took away the ability of banks to redline, lenders were helpless to stop themselves from handing out loans no questions asked.”
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    Am I hearing this right? Is sqr1 saying that racist practices in banking (which, incidentally, I had enough money to overcome their tactics) was the bulwark protecting our economy from collapse?
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    Excuse me, but sqr1 has officially taken the Ig Noble for the most inanely racist statement since the “property values” argument was used as the bulwark against which a flood of Black Americans migrating into mainstream America had to overcome.
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    Christmas cheer for everyone else, but a decidely onerous Christmas pox on sqr1.
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    Fry in hell, btard…

  • 53_3

    I’ll modify this was a hope that sqr1 was just being totally sarcastic!
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    I simply cannot see how one would state something so otherwise ridiculous. So, if you are still reading, make it clear, and I will be happy to apologize if in fact you are being facetious!

  • kattest123

    Meanwhile, you won’t find lying Beltway hacks like Tumulty discussing this pardon, except perhaps to support it.

  • Karen Tumulty

    KT here–

    Nomoreblather, is that you up there at #20?

  • ivb3016

    KT, LOL.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    53_3
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    Its pretty obvious to me it was snark. Reread the whole thing.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    This is why nobody takes wingnuts seriously except other similarly stupid wingnuts. From the wingtard kattest:
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    However, showing exactly where his loyalties lie, one of those pardoned was convicted of conspiracy to harbor and transport illegal aliens:
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    John Allen Aregood a/k/a Johnny (Sonny) Aregood – Riviera, Texas
    Offense: Conspiracy to harbor and transport illegal aliens; 18 U.S.C. (S) 371, 8 U.S.C. (S) 1324(a)(1)(A)(ii)(iii).
    Sentence: Nov. 21, 1996; Southern District of Texas; three years of probation, $1,000 fine.<blockquote<
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    I don’t know the particulars of the case, but someone with the same name is listed as the contact for Aregood Farms in that town here, where he and one or two other employees provide crop harvesting services

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    Outraged over a case that the wingnut acknowledges he has no knowledge of just so they can bring up the border patrol guards who killed somebody, because ya know that just makes you so patriotic. BUHAHAHAHAHAHA. Great job Lou Dobbs wingnut, bravo!

  • 53_3

    sg:
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    It did sound snarky to me, too, but I don’t recall sqr1.
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    I apologize sqr1, and I wish you a Merry Christmas too!
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    Forgive me for the reaction, but sometimes maybe the snarkiness does have to be pointed out.

  • Paul-no not that one

    OT-Coleman was shot down by the Minnesota Supreme Court in re/ “duplicate ballots”
    Merry Holidays.

  • Cliff

    Good call, KT, that does look like nomoreblather’s blog, if I remember right.
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    OT: Is anyone getting emails about “SENATE BILL S. 2433 THE GLOBAL POVERTY ACT‏” and how it will strip away our 2nd Amendment rights, subject us to UN law, and force us to spend a hojillion kajillion dollars on poor nations? And how it’s the fault of Obama and Biden?
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    Because I just got that from my grandpa today.

  • sqr1

    Yes! An Ig Noble!
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    “I simply cannot see how one would state something so otherwise ridiculous.”
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    You obviously have never seen Larry Kudlow in action.

  • trifecta55

    I think if Bush was nice, he would pardon all the non violent drug offenders who were convicted of small quantities.
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    He isn’t nice though.

  • kattest123

    Karen Tumulty:
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    Yes, this is NoMoreBlatherDotCom; that login doesn’t work anymore after Time changed their system (and, for one reason or other, deleted all the comments on previous entries).
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    I called you a liar because you stated that we know that BHO was born in HI.
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    However, if you examine the evidence in an objective fashion, you’ll see that BHO has never provided definitive proof of where he was born. That doesn’t necessarily imply other things, and no doubt hacks like you or sockpuppets will try to derail the argument using strawman arguments.
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    Note that, for instance, FactCheck says that the state of HI has confirmed BHO was born there. However, there is nothing in their statement (see it at the link above) saying where he was born or confirming the cert on his site. All they said is that he has a valid cert on file, they didn’t confirm anything else.
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    And, in response to my inquiry, they refused to to confirm FactCheck’s statement.
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    You don’t have to be a liar, but you will be (at least on the lie that’s the topic of this comment) until you either confirm with HI that BHO was born there or print a correction. There are no other options, so I suggest choosing one.

  • trifecta55

    The White House has undone the pardon of Isaac Toussie. Apparently the pardon wasn’t official yet when the controversy hit. Linky here.
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    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/12/20081224-5.html
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    Toussie is the guy in the link in KT’s story whose dad donated $28,500 to the RNC this year. He scammed poor people in mortgage fraud. He is pardoned no more.

  • gysgt213

    tits questmas eve and gujnny is drunk. Died i dtell you gvuys i LVE YOU. if nott I rarely do.

  • trifecta55

    NoMoreBlather, I have heard from Obama’s people. These are the same ones who burned his Kenya birth certificate, and taught Michelle the terrorist fist bump. They are real insiders.
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    Apparently, it is true. The UN helicopters (black of course), will be flying out towards the heartland to arrest people who don’t give up their guns. The re-education camp will be in Marin County just north of San Francisco. You will be forced to watch gay marriages and to eat tofu until you are properly civilized.
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    They should be coming in late Aprilish.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I like the D&D kind of vibe from nomoreblather. Or maybe it’s more Comic Book Guy. Either way it’s pretty funny. Kudos.

  • Ohg Rea Tone

    There are no pardons for the millions of poor and homeless in America. ……………

    http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/12/24/dead-body-found-in-woods/

  • kattest123

    Forgot to add: sgwhiteinfla falsely accuses the “border guards” of killing someone, when in fact they shot a since-convicted drug smuggler in the butt. The case is complicated, and most MSM hacks don’t want to discuss it. And, many “liberals” are willing to be useful idiots for Bush and the Mexican government.
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    And, here’s some questions for Tumulty about her lie that I discuss above:
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    1. Can someone have a valid cert on file in HI *and* have been born in another state or country? Yes or no.
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    2. Would it be illegal under HI state law for an official to verify the *contents* of a cert they have on file, such as birth location? Yes or no.
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    3. Quote the part of the 10/31 statement from the state of HI were they explicitly confirmed that BHO was born in HI.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    kattest
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    You lost dummy. We have already been taken over by the muslim Arab Barack Hussein Obama. Your options are few. I suggest you flee the country and go hole up in a cave some where. Elsewise the thought police are coming for you to put you in the socialist brainwashing concentration camps. People are saying you should stand and fight but Hussein has already put tracking devices in all of your weapons. You are probably on the screen of a predator operator RIGHT NOW. Run you fool run before the minorites come to get you. Forget your blog, forget the internet, just jump in the closest body of water and start swimming to away!
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    Oh and dont forget to wear concrete shoes when you do it so as to block the radars.
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    God I love wingnuts.

  • newfloridian

    I just wanted to say Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone on Swmapland. May you all get all the riches and the greatest presents you always wanted.. of course maybe that’s just Peace, Love and Understanding. And Gunny, have one for me too!

    As for Kattest123 I hope he just gets a large lump of coal. Yes Kattest you should be afraid.. that man coming down your chimney in a red suit tonight is really an Obama thought policeman coming to apprehend you.. you’ve revealed the awful truth to us all… Obama was not born in the US (according to you) and no doubt he is also a Muslim. It’s off to the re-education camps for you. And by the way the Christmas lights in your neighborhood they are just signals pointing the way to your home.. your neighbors are all in on it and have joined the Obama patrols. When you were out shopping did you notice lots of people talking about you in the stores. We’ve been tracking you. We’ve placed spyware on your computer and know everywhere you’ve been even those bad women sites. We’ve been watching you since September.. and tonight Santa Claus is coming to town.

  • nibblybits

    The fact that they rescinded Toussie’s pardon is bizarre. He pleaded guilty, so why was he considered for a pardon anyway? Are the Bushies even paying attention or are they handing out pardons based on amusing names? My god, January 20 can’t come fast enough.

  • jarais

    If I don’t get a new fainting couch for 2009, I’m going to stop believing in Santa. Happy holidays, everyone!
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    Kattest, the big, bad fairness doctrine is coming to eat talk radio.

  • Cliff

    NoMoreBlather, I refer you to the following portion of the statement:
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    Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai’i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai’i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
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    I recommend seeking treatment for your douchebaggery problem.

  • 53_3

    Aside from a well-deserved Ig Noble presented to myself by sqr1 for jumping two sharks, I hear that the pardon that elicited my inappropriate response has indeed been reversed:
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    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1868699,00.html
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    Merry Christmas all!

  • gysgt213

    KT-Maybe I missing the big picture, but I just can’t see why people get so worked up about these pardons. On one hand every pardon has the potential to cause pain to victims and families and on the other there are always going to be people who deserve one that will never receive one. The president has one limitation and no standards that must be followed except for the ones the president personally sets. The power and decision rests with the president.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Here is some excellent excellent news from the latest Pew media survey:
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    The internet, which emerged this year as a leading source for campaign news, has now surpassed all other media except television as a main source for national and international news.
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    Currently, 40% say they get most of their news about national and international issues from the internet, up from just 24% in September 2007. For the first time in a Pew survey, more people say they rely mostly on the internet for news than cite newspapers (35%). Television continues to be cited most frequently as a main source for national and international news, at 70%.
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    (snip)
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    For young people, however, the internet now rivals television as a main source of national and international news. Nearly six-in-ten Americans younger than 30 (59%) say they get most of their national and international news online; an identical percentage cites television. In September 2007, twice as many young people said they relied mostly on television for news than mentioned the internet (68% vs. 34%).

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    and also
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    Nearly a quarter of the public (23%) says they get most of their news from CNN, while 17% cite Fox News; smaller shares mention other cable and broadcast outlets.

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    I think this is very, very encouraging. People relying on the internet for their news at least have the chance to seek out better journalism than the trivial cr@p fed to them by newspapers and television. Television in particular serves up infotainment masquerading as news, and it is a wonderful thing to see that its influence is declining among young people.
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    Getting news from the internet is an active acquisition of knowledge that enables the seeker to go to multiple sources of information, always a healthier method than passively relying on being fed whatever the TV news producers and deem to be salable.
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    Maybe it’s time for beltway journos to stop wringing their hands rending their garments over their diminishing role as gateway news arbiters, and look for internet news business models that will be profitable for them.
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    Also, take a look at the most closely followed stories on the internet at the link. There is nothing frivolous there. These are very substantive stories that were closely followed, except perhaps the Olympics. You don’t see any of the cr@p stories there that the beltway gossips like to obsess over. Sometime soon, just maybe, that message will get through to the beltway’s tiny little world and they will see that the Blago story is just another gossipy insider cocktail item of no interest or importance, and they will hang their heads in shame.
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    Source: Summary of Findings: Internet Overtakes Newspapers As News Source
    There’s some nice tables and graphs too.

  • Matt

    Nice to do these lovely pardons of apparent friendly GOP donors right around Christmas. Now Buss matches Obama in politically savvy dumps before the holiday…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    James,
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    I don’t mean to be difficult, but the top five news sites according to Alexa are Yahoo, BBC Newsline, CNN, BBC News, and My Yahoo.
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    Yahoo aggregates from wire services, mostly Reuters.
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    People are still getting their news from the same sources–they’re just viewing it in a different medium. It’s true that in absence of time or space limitations there is room for much more material, such as the full transcripts of presidential candidate interviews here. JK’s with Obama was particularly interesting, and wouldn’t have been available in 2004. But if newspapers shut their doors, the most popular content on the internet would also go away.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    On one hand every pardon has the potential to cause pain to victims and families and on the other there are always going to be people who deserve one that will never receive one.
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    But, on the other hand, stories of people like Marc Rich can buy their way out of a conviction, or that office holders who commit crimes will never be accountable, are stories I want to read.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Also, take a look at the most closely followed stories on the internet at the link. There is nothing frivolous there”
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    James that, I think, is the most telling part of the study. How often have we been told “People SAY they want serious stories but look at the ratings for (Missing white woman of the moment)!”
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    With limitless choices it’s encouraging what people were following. All of which doesn’t argue against jay’s point about the sourcing.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Yes, Jayack. Yahoo aggregates from all of the wire services, AP, AFP Reuters, Bloomberg, McClatchy, Politico, CS Monitor. People can *choose their news source.* They don’t have to go with the standard AP fare that is served up by most American newspapers. There’s nothing wrong with the wire services, They are the hard news gatherers, and mostly are not corrupted by the idiosyncrasies of the beltway elite cocktail circuits. And, for every click on CNN, whose international news gathering operation is actually decent I might add, there is a click on BBC? That’s healthy.
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    Alexa isn’t the very best way to measure usage on the internet tubes.
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    I’m just saying, when people actively seek out news, and when more than one sources for a news item is available, that’s a healthy thing.
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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Now, what was encouraging, and a real slap in the face of the Villagers, government and media alike, were the excellent, never asked questions that dominated the top ten citizen questions at change.gov.
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    Why doesn’t anybody ask why the heck people who have doctors prescribing marijuana aren’t allowed to have it, despite state laws permitting it? Why is marijuana illegal, at all?
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    http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/open_for_questions_response/

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Those change.gov questions were very encouraging, jayack. I love that the Obamabites are getting input directly from us rubes and bypassing, to some extent, the self-important Villagers. It’s fun to watch them fret.
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    Someday, maybe they will come to realize how much damage their tiny, enclosed little self-interested world has done to America in the past 30 years. the more rapidly their influence wanes, the better off we all will be, methinks.
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  • jose

    For those still around. According to Josh once a pardons done it’s done and is irrevocable. Constitution and all that. Stay tuned.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I saw that too jose. The gang that couldn’t shoot straight finishes their run in classic fashion.

  • James, Los Angeles

    PNNTO,
    I don’t doubt that people follow those missing white woman stories. It is because of the emphasis they receive on cable TV, huge headlines, huffing and puffing, team coverage and all that. That signals to people that it is an “important” story. And a lot of people *do* follow them. BUT, the survey indicates that they are not the most “followed closely” story. They *do* generate ratings though. There isn’t a one of those gossipy pieces of trivia on the list.
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    What’s encouraging, though, is that people are turning the internet in which they have access to multiple sources which they may actively seek out the news that they want to follow. It’s better than passively absorbing what NBC’s news producers want you to follow.
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  • James, Los Angeles

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    Great, now the Republicans have their Marc Rich pardon. What to do, what to do?
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    Marc Rich!
    Isaac Toussie!
    B-b-b-but Mqrc Rich!
    Oh yeah? Isaac Toussie!
    heh.
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  • Paul-no not that one

    We aren’t disagreeing James. It’s a positive.
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    It also confirms what some have been suspecting for quite a while. I look forward to Howie Kurtz explaining to me how it shows what a good job the media is doing.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    And, James, I’m just saying that, increasingly, people get their news from the same sources, only they get the news on line. Most people I know have their homepage at myyahoo, BBC, CNN, NYT. It’s a far better resource than the television for dealing with the 24 hour news cycle. And, yes, the “pull” model from a wideranging set of sources is a much better news presentation model.
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    I’m actually surprised the teevee number is still 70%.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Right. I’m not arguing.
    I actually think that the wires are a great source of hard news. I’ll be glad to see AP get taken down a few notches, or clean up their act by firing Fournier. Fournierism is a lethal trend in AP news, and I think a lot of AP reporters think so too. True, the wires don’t do in-depth journalism or investigative journalism like the dailies are supposed to do. But any more, we get the best investigative stuff in books, not newspaper.
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    I’m surprised at the TV numbers too, but people *do* turn to CNN for stuff like hurricane news, and I have to say cable news’ finest hour was the coverage of Katrina, before the pundits took over again. But you look at the numbers, and people just aren’t sitting down at 7 pm every night for their national news any more. And why should they? It’s been remarkable to follow the Rather lawsuit depositions and how Arthur Heywood and CBS bigwigs squelched the Abu Ghraib story. They prohibited mention of Abu Ghraib on their nightly newcast. That is incredible. Just incredible.
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  • rose83

    Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas everyone!

  • anon76

    PNNTO- What Monty Python skit does a href=”http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/12/24/pardon-season-update/?apage=2#comment-29916″>your description of the Bush administration remind me of? Hint: Cheney has shot Whittington into second place by mistake.

    Merry Christmas to anyone still reading!

  • anon76

    How loud do we need to scream for preview, by the way? If the high sheriffs can’t get it together for Christmas, they still have 12 more days before Epiphany. This ain’t rocket science.

  • Karen Tumulty

    Jose writes: For those still around. According to Josh once a pardons done it’s done and is irrevocable. Constitution and all that. Stay tuned.

    Apparently, that’s not the case:

    http://pardonpower.com/2008/12/on-revocation-of-pardons.html

    I love this Pardon Power blog, by the way.

  • http://smoothlikeremy.blogspot.com/ sgwhiteinfla

    KT
    .
    I have seen that same argument made elsewhere but they always focused on the case of where there were two different presidents. Now thats not to say Bush can’t do it, but you have to ask yourself if Bush wants to be dragged into court over it and potentially have to justify any other pardons he hands out before he leaves office. Especially if there are some big names on that list. Hell his approval ratings won’t go any lower by letting the guy off with a pardon but jail time might be an option if he goes to court and is made to have to testify about the situation.
    .
    On the other hand I kinda hope he does stick with the revocation, because he will have just reminded the Obama administration and the people of this country that if he pardon’s Dick Cheney and himself, PEOTUS Obama has the option of revoking those pardons also.

  • Karen Tumulty

    KT here–

    SG: At this point, there are no big names on the list. You are assuming that Bush is going to issue some big pardons, but it hasn’t happened yet, and he has thus far been far more cautious with the power than his predecessors have. I think this is one where we will just have to see what happens.
    .
    Also, please see my latest post.

  • anon76

    Mele Kalikimaka, KT!

  • Karen Tumulty

    KT here–

    MK to you too, anon. I’m hoping for some more Hawaiian stuff to post from the pool reports. It sure looks like a nice place to be spending the holiday.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    he has thus far been far more cautious with the power than his predecessors have.
    .
    Ahem. Irve Libby?

  • Art Pepper

    re Internet news aggregators such as Yahoo … most local papers are the same. If you look at the Seattle Times, they do their own local reporting (which is valuable) but the national and international news is mostly picked up from Reuters, AP, and the major national papers (NYT, LAT, etc).
    -
    So really the Seattle Times should go paperless and I can subscribe to their local Washington-area coverage as one news feed on my preferred aggregator.
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    Of course the business model is hard to see, but the business model for the paper edition is getting harder to see.

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