Dark Days Ahead: Why Republicans Need Xmas Vacation

It’s bad. Never mind that for two elections in a row Republicans have lost political independents by wide margins. Never mind that their reputation for competence is approaching Bernie Madoff-like levels, or that the nation’s demographic shift, particularly the growth in Latino voters, imperils their electoral future. Never mind that party leaders will return to Washington next year with less actual power than at any point since 1995. The real Republican concern is this: The deteriorating economy now threatens to undermine the political value of the GOP’s fundamental identity as the party of private markets and limited government.

The terrifying credit crisis is, as I write, morphing into a “liquidity trap,” a term from the bygone era of men’s hats and ladies’ girdles, or at least Japanese kimonos, when the monetary master’s of the universe risk losing control over the financial system, when regular people hoard their money, and when the economy looks to cycle ever downward. It’s not yet the Great Depression Redux, but it can be talked about in the same sentence. And in that lies the potential for great calamity for the party of Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater. Liquidity traps are fought with government interventions. They are fought successfully with big ones. Republicans now face the real possibility of a generation of American voters who will see government not as the problem, but as the solution.

The last time America faced such a major economic retrenchment, Franklin Delano Roosevelt responded with a massive expansion of government spending and regulation, new programs like Social Security and new protections for unions and workers, which were controversial at the time, but which proved to be popular over the long haul. It took leaders like Goldwater more than two decades to gain some significant popular traction in opposition to Roosevelt’s vision. Conservative economic ideas did not really impose themselves on the White House until 1981, more than 40 years after the bulk of the New Deal era had been established.

In the face of this peril, conservatives find themselves without leadership, direction, or even a cogent ideological response to the crisis. Conservative lodestars, like Dick Cheney, are warning of Herbert Hoover times if Republicans don’t open up the federal pocketbooks. Even President Bush has admitted that he “abandoned free market principles to save the free market system.” And he did not succeed, clearing the way for much more abandoning to come.

Following widely accepted Keynesian theories, Barack Obama has proposed an economic stimulus next year of perhaps $1 trillion over two years, money that will take time to filter into an ever-worsening economy. Whether or not it succeeds, all the voters who get jobs because of this new spending will know its source: For a time, Obamadollars will pay their mortgage or rent. Obamadollars will feed their children. As such, the Democratic president has the ability to build a vast new political coalition of support, much like the one that FDR built during the 1930s. Ask Republican political strategists to honestly tell you why they hate government spending and they all offer the same answer: It creates Democratic voters.

So where does that leave the Republican Party? Totally confused. Lines like “redistributing wealth” makes less sense when the wealth is running scared and your husband just got laid off. The “ownership society” becomes a joke when homes and stocks, the things we aspire to own, are consistently losing value. If government is the only bank willing to lend, it is not hard to understand that voters will support government lending. To make matters worse, Republicans in the House are not a unified bunch. Through the credit and auto bailout debates, Congressional Republicans behaved less like statesmen than stray cats on a sinking ship. According to his own strategists, John McCain only had a slim chance to win the White House this year, but once the House GOP voted down the first version of the bank bailout, his fate was sealed. Then after sinking their own electoral hopes, Republicans reversed course, clearing the way for a slightly-altered bailout a few days later. That’s not leadership you can believe in. As a strictly political matter, it was malpractice, or, more sympathetically, a lack of self-control and vision.

As it stands, Republican thinkers appear to be casting about wildly. With his own Rolodex under strain, House Majority Leader John Boehner has put out a public call for any economist who can give some rationale for opposing the Obama stimulus package. The response is so far less than impressive. At best, conservatives have retrenched to argue that the stimulus should focus more on tax cuts then spending. There is a highly technical debate going on between economists about why spending on public works should provide more stimulation than tax cuts for business and the wealthy. (In the classic textbooks, at least, the spending argument beats the tax cut argument.) It does not help the conservatives that their principal academic reference point to argue for tax cuts is a controversial interpretation of a paper written by Christina Romer, the expert on depression economics who is helping to draft Obama’s spend-heavy stimulus plan.

So what will Republicans do? In the short term, the answer is clear. They will retrench to a guerrilla war, a tactical battle much like the one adopted by McCain at the end of the general election. Next year will bring Republicans a great unifying gift in the form of the Employee Free Choice Act, a bill Democrats plan to push over the objections of many small- and middle-sized businesses that would allow the unionization of workplaces without a so-called “secret ballot.” Combined with the Blagojevich scandal, which does not appear to do the labor movement any favors, this could be a short-term political winner for Republicans, especially if it passes. They can cast Democrats as the party of big labor in much the same way that Democrats cast Republicans as the party of big oil. In the near term, Republicans also have the ability to recast themselves as reformers, as the loyal opposition to the waste, fraud and abuse that is endemic to government, and certain to pop up in any massive new spending program. But winning those battles will not win them the war.

What Republicans need is a new ideological message for a new economic era. One of the smartest Republican strategists I know suggested to me that the frame should not be about whether government is good or bad, but whether the solutions to our woes are classic Democrat–industrial age, centralized and top-down–or whether they are new Republican–Internet-age, market-based and bottom-up. Republicans, he recommends, should claim the mantle of innovative government, not just small government. The challenge here is that Obama will try to fill that space as well.

All that said, we also know that the Republican dilemma is not permanent. Karl Rove’s predictions of a generation of Republican rule seem ridiculous in retrospect. Democrats succumb to comfort or hubris at their own peril. But as the cups of eggnog clink and the yule log burns, Republican households across the country would do well to realize the grim future that now faces them in the short term. Christmas is a time for rest and self-reflection. Republicans have little time to rest, and much to reflect upon. Next year begins a new political era for America.

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  • 53_3

    “or that the nation’s demographic shift, particularly the growth in Latino voters, imperils their electoral future.


    What Republicans need is a new ideological message for a new economic era.”
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    On point one-and-a-half here, I might point out that it was indeed, without a doubt, the Black community that kicked your party in the teeth.
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    On point one-and-three-quarters, I might venture to say that maybe an “ideology” isn’t what you need.
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    Big Labor? Now what the hell is that.
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    Micheal:
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    There is a word for this.
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    myopy

  • Andy from MA

    Happy holidays, MS. Thanks for this post. Just imagine for a moment if the outcome of this election had been different and McCain had won. He would have completely boxed in by the orthodoxy of the RW republican establishment.
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    Our economy would be in worse shape than it is, and there would be very little republican impetus to do anything about it. So while this is not the best of times in the US it could be a lot worse.
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    I don’t see the republicans bringing any alternatives to the table, do you? They are bereft of any ideas other than their traditional fomentation of fear, hate and greed. They don’t have much else on their side. It even looks like one of the purveyors of Jesus is taking a walk on the wild side on inauguration day. Your thoughts?

  • Paul-no not that one

    “Republicans thinkers … With his own Rolodex under strain, House Majority Leader John Boehner has put out a public call for any economist who could give some rationale for opposing the Obama stimulus package.”
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    And that, my friends, is the republican party 2008.
    I know I want to be against (x) but I don’t why.
    Perfect.

  • 53_3

    I think that just like McCain never could mouth the words “middle class”, Republicans can’t mouth these words, either:
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    “Black Community”
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    Those old Southern Strategy blinders just won’t let them think outside this particular box…

  • Andy from MA

    PNNTO — And Lamar Alexander has the temerity to say that Obama has no mandate; just approval from the voters for a change in management.
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    You know, MS, it’s not a vacation the Republicans need, it’s a 12 step program.

  • Andy from MA

    53_3: they are standing knee deep in a long river in Egypt. In da Nile.

  • 53_3

    I’m just wondering how he thinks this “big labor” thing is going to sell in a world where jobs and wages are precious?
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    I don’t see “big labor” driving up the price of gas, and as far as money is concerned, it’s the Republicans who are currently looting this country blind.
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    Of course, I’m being partisan by noting this, aren’t I…

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Michael – Republican doom. How did you know? It’s exactly what I wanted! I got you something, too.

  • Andy from MA

    53_3: let’s see you were being logical, factual and rational. Hmmm Republicans don’t fit that profile, so yeah, I guess you’re a realist and a partisan. What would Jesus say?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    The deteriorating economy now threatens to undermine the political value of the GOP’s fundamental identity as the party of private markets and limited government.
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    [Cartman Voice] Goddammit![/CV]
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    No, it has nothing to do with the deteriorating economy. What happened, from 2000-2006 is the Republicans demonstrated that these fundamental identity things were lies. Flat out, no holds barred, not a bit of truth in them, lies.
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    In past years, they were always able to blame some other branch of government for forcing them to spend more money in the current year than the year before. In past years, they could blame Democrats for the spending levels that caused enormous deficits. Of course, they could only do that with the complicity of the traditional media, who would take down their words and print or speak them out with observing that there was not evidence, at all, that this was actually true.
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    But for six years they had control of the entire federal apparatus. And what did they do? Spent money like drunken sailors. Went into debt like a cokehead, drunk in a casino with a credit card tied to his HELOC.
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    this is a lie. it is time to start acting as if it were true. The republicans are NOT the party of smaller government, lower spending, less intrusion, fiscal prudence. They never were. This is a lie.
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    To quote a favorite literary passage:

    Jesus! Haven’t you guys spent any time at all around people like Comstock? Can’t you recognize bullshit? Don’t you think it would be a useful item to add to your intellectual toolkits to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet steaming bullshit lands on your head, ‘My goodness, this appears to be bullshit’?”

  • 53_3

    “You know, MS, it’s not a vacation the Republicans need, it’s a 12 step program.”
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    How do you wean them from there addiction to money? Is 12 steps enough?
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    And MS is propsing that the GOP keep their 30 year tradition of lying, cheating and stealing. But with FOX news out of the loop, and that crackhead Palin showing ever more “flaws”, I’m thinking that they should stay the course!

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    The deteriorating economy now threatens to undermine the political value of the GOP’s fundamental identity as the party of private markets and limited government.
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    [Cartman Voice] Goddammit![/CV]
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    No, it has nothing to do with the deteriorating economy. What happened, from 2000-2006 is the Republicans demonstrated that these fundamental identity things were lies. Flat out, no holds barred, not a bit of truth in them, lies.
    .
    In past years, they were always able to blame some other branch of government for forcing them to spend more money in the current year than the year before. In past years, they could blame Democrats for the spending levels that caused enormous deficits. Of course, they could only do that with the complicity of the traditional media, who would take down their words and print or speak them out with observing that there was not evidence, at all, that this was actually true.
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    But for six years they had control of the entire federal apparatus. And what did they do? Spent money like drunken sailors. Went into debt like a cokehead, drunk in a casino with a credit card tied to his HELOC.
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    this is a lie. it is time to start acting as if it were true. The republicans are NOT the party of smaller government, lower spending, less intrusion, fiscal prudence. They never were. This is a lie.
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    To quote a favorite literary passage:
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    Jesus! Haven’t you guys spent any time at all around people like Comstock? Can’t you recognize bull$hit? Don’t you think it would be a useful item to add to your intellectual toolkits to be capable of saying, when a ton of wet steaming bull$hit lands on your head, ‘My goodness, this appears to be bull$hit’?”

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    “stop acting as if it were true”

  • bobcn1

    What Republicans need is a new ideological message for a new economic era.
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    If the Republicans think that their problem is merely bad marketing then they deserve the electoral failure they are suffering. Conservative republican economic theories have been practiced since ‘Reaganomics’ and they have been a national disaster.
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    We are entering a new era where we don’t have the luxury of allowing incompetent political cronies and ideologues to run the country. Too much is at stake.
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    It’s not a new ‘ideological message’ that the Republicans need. It’s a new ideology.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I think the whole election was about Serious versus Unserious. That’s the message that the republicans won’t/can’t accept.
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    Thus you get them drooling at the chance to demonize labor. And after that MS will write about how, for some reason that they can’t quite understand, the population didn’t reward them.

  • 53_3

    “What would Jesus say?”
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    Can’t answer that one, but do you suppose that maybe, just maybe, He is already on the job here?
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    He’s allowed them to convince themselves that their own propaganda is the truth, and in so doing, are willingly doing unto themselves what Jesus would not do, given that He is ostensibly in favor of turning the other cheek.
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    No need for Him to toast any hearts on a stick here…

  • kathy

    Michael – thank you for taking the time to post such a long, thought-provoking entry:

    1) Republicans now face the real possibility of a generation of American voters who will see government not as the problem, but as the solution. You think people aren’t seeing the government as the problem right now? How about “Republicans face a generation of American voters who will see government by Republicans as the problem, government by Democrats as the solution.”

    2)Ask Republican political strategists to honestly tell you why they hate government spending and they all offer the same answer: It creates Democratic voters. This administration has doubled the nation’s debt in 8 years and you think Republicans don’t like government spending????

    3)So what will Republicans do? In the short term, the answer is clear. They will retrench to a guerrilla war,… I’m happy for a loyal opposition, but you rightly suggest that many Republicans are out to take Obama down just because he’s a Democrat. How helpful to us in our hour of need.

    4) whether the solutions to our woes are classic Democrat–industrial age, centralized and top-down–or whether they are new Republican–Internet-age, market-based and bottom-up.??? So how have those market-based solutions been working for ya?

  • kathy

    Oh gee, forgot to put spacers in. Sorry about that.
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    Michael – thank you for taking the time to post such a long, thought-provoking entry:
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    1) Republicans now face the real possibility of a generation of American voters who will see government not as the problem, but as the solution. You think people aren’t seeing the government as the problem right now? How about “Republicans face a generation of American voters who will see government by Republicans as the problem, government by Democrats as the solution.”
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    2)Ask Republican political strategists to honestly tell you why they hate government spending and they all offer the same answer: It creates Democratic voters. This administration has doubled the nation’s debt in 8 years and you think Republicans don’t like government spending????
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    3)So what will Republicans do? In the short term, the answer is clear. They will retrench to a guerrilla war,… I’m happy for a loyal opposition, but you rightly suggest that many Republicans are out to take Obama down just because he’s a Democrat. How helpful to us in our hour of need.
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    4) whether the solutions to our woes are classic Democrat–industrial age, centralized and top-down–or whether they are new Republican–Internet-age, market-based and bottom-up.??? So how have those market-based solutions been working for ya?
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  • Andy from MA

    pourmecoffee, “just one whiff will make you rollover for republicans.”

  • kathy

    Oh great. I didn’t notice the italics didn’t transfer. Guess I need a vacation too :-D

  • 53_3

    PNNTO:
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    I think that that is what they should do. Go ahead. Demonize labor. I mean, after all, who wants job security in a recession!
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    What dolt would want to protect that “middle class” that McCain never mentioned?
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    I mean, hell, let’s let them be x, like you suggested, just so we can be against them in 2010!

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    53_3, I’m all in favor of giving them a bigger shovel with which they can dig a deeper hole.

  • nibblybits

    Wow, scherer, pretty good post. Now that we know you have it in you, hopefully you won’t slack off in your future posts.
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    Your line — “whether the solutions to our woes are classic Democrat–industrial age, centralized and top-down–or whether they are new Republican–Internet-age, market-based and bottom-up. Republicans, he recommends, should claim the mantle of innovative government, not just small government. The challenge here is that Obama will try to fill that space as well.” — is particularly evocative. Obama is filling that space. His campaign couldn’t be more bottom-up Internet-age; likely his administration will be too.

  • 53_3

    Maybe we could all pitch in and by Micheal one…
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    BTW, Micheal, I hope you see that I am not directing my sharp sarcasm at you, personally, but the inability of the Republicans to think outside the box that Karl Rove built for them!

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I’m happy for a loyal opposition, but you rightly suggest that many Republicans are out to take Obama down just because he’s a Democrat. How helpful to us in our hour of need.
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    One thing we have learned is that Republicans are not interested in effective public policy of the welfare of the nation. This is very, very hard to internalize, but it is certainly true. They openly reject reality, in order to further short term benefits to their cronies. They openly do real, serious damage to the country with both eyes open. they really don’t care about the national welfare. They’re like Mugabe, interested only in power. Not a single principle can you name.
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    This is a shocking revelation. But there can be no doubt about it.
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    4) whether the solutions to our woes are classic Democrat–industrial age, centralized and top-down–or whether they are new Republican–Internet-age, market-based and bottom-up.??? So how have those market-based solutions been working for ya?
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    This is another lie. Republicans do not believe in market solutions. They believe in government intervention in support of oligopolists. It happens that one way they do that is by ignoring regulatory laws, and by not using regulations that are in place to insure that fraud doesn’t take place, but they don’t do that in the interest of the free market. When a cattle ranch wants to test all of its stock for mad cow disease, and label it that way, rather than sampling as the law requires, no proponent of free markets would not allow him to do this. But that’s what the Republicans did. They are opposed to the free market, abhor Adam Smith’s declarations that the natural tendency of business is toward monopoly. They ENABLE that tendency. That’s pretty much their raisson d’etre–creating and sustaining monopolies, at the expense of taxpayers and consumers.

  • Andy from MA

    This is OT, but is an example of what happens if you can put labels and ideologies aside. The gesture speaks loads about what we can do for each other as Americans. I wouldn’t give bibles as gifts, but I’m not from Texas either.

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  • 53_3

    Meanwhile, back at the Treasury building, the parade of Republicans coming with empty pockets, and leaving with them full, continues.
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    I’m still wondering just when the “party of accountability” (you know, the party of “family values”?) will start showing some restraint with the $7,600,000,000,000 that they are walking off with.
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    Here is a feature for ya:
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    The Earth is 4,586,000,000 years old (Pb/U dating) and if you were to pay $130 a month on the loan, you might just have paid it back by now, give or take about 100,000,000 years!

  • Paul-no not that one

    $130? 53 I need to lower my payments,

  • Andy from MA

    53_3 wrote: I’m still wondering just when the “party of accountability” (you know, the party of “family values”?) will start showing some restraint with the $7,600,000,000,000 that they are walking off with.”
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    When the forecast for hell is mostly cloudy, temps in the teens, and a wind chill of 5 below.

  • 53_3

    PNNTO:
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    Hey! No problem! Of course, that was all at zero percent interest, so I can’t help you there, but hell, what the hell, we’ll just stretch it out another eon or two.
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    Let’s see, were in the Phanerazoic, that’s only 543,000,000 years old. The Proterazoic was about 2,000,000,000 years, so would paying it back in about, say, the eon after this one’s done suit you?
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    That might knock it down to about $80 or so…

  • 53_3

    “When the forecast for hell is mostly cloudy, temps in the teens, and a wind chill of 5 below.”
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    Ummm, Andy.
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    Ummm, that is the forecast here !
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    Just what’re you implying….

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    There is a highly technical debate going on between economists about why spending on public works should provide more stimulation than tax cuts for business and the wealthy.
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    There’s no highly technical debate. A statement in positive, rather than normative, economics is that consumers with a higher marginal propensity to spend who receive additional income spend more of it. Tax cuts don’t work as well as expenditures directed at the bottom quintiles, as with food stamps, more unemployment benefits, an increase in the availability of relatively low wage jobs.
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    Read the link.

  • Andy from MA

    PNNTO and 53_3: but if you’re a fundalmentalist evangelical the earth was created in 4,004 bc (according to Bishop Ussher). So your math it just a but off. Also the payments would be higher.

  • 53_3

    I see your point here, Jayack:
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    The average high income individual might see $431,000 instead of $430,000 to spend this year, but it’s not a difference worthy of mention.
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    To someone making $10,000, an extra thousand will make a significant difference, and it will likely be spent on perpetually postponed purchases (no pun intended, that’s how it is).
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    Anecdotal, yes, but also accurate…

  • Paul-no not that one

    Four thousand FOUR bc. That’s pretty darn precise.
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    As for the slightly higher payments no problem. I’ll just sign this over to 53-You do accept second party out of state plasma checks don’t you?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    How can these empirical results be reconciled? One hypothesis is that that compared with spending increases, tax cuts produce a bigger boost in investment demand. This might work through changing relative prices in a direction favorable to capital investment–a mechanism absent in the textbook Keynesian model.

    That’s Mankiw, from the link. This is about as dumb as you can get. Spending on infrastructure is direct expenditure on investment. it’s one of the few things that you should borrow money to fund, because the resulting capital generates future income, as with a bridge or a subway system. It HAS to lead to greater public investment to invest it directly, rather than give it to people with low MPCs. They will still consume SOME of it.
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    This argument would apply if we were talking about food stamps or unemployment benefits. But it makes no sense in the context of infrastructure expenditures.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    MS

    You just wrote a lengthy post explaining why having pursued policies which have been shown to lead directly to collapse and failure, the Republicans need to embrace those policies even tighter!

    If empirical evidence reveals that in the near term, government spending would be beneficial for Americans including traditionally Republican constituencies, then what’s to prevent Republicans from actually embracing the correct solution to the problem? Some questions don’t come down to ‘ideology’ or ‘partisanship’ or ‘balance’ but actually have answers that we can regard as ‘correct’ You would think in such cases, that people would be willing to advocate for those answers independent of their Party affiliation or favorite slogan.

  • 53_3

    Andy:
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    You got a point, but Ussher’s adherants duked it out with Lyell and Owens in the early 1800s and lost already.
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    I’ll stick with the U/Pb’s. I mean, if the evangelists wan’t to pay higher monthly payments, let ‘em. If they want to pay $100,000,000 a month, I’m all for it. Hell, it’s only comparable to fighting the Iraq War since the Creation, anyway, which is what they woulda wished for…

  • 53_3

    PNNTO:
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    You’re gonna have to ask Bernanke or Paulson. I have a huch that maybe he can work it out so you don’t have to pay back a nickel of it.
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    Cruch all you want. We’ll make more!

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  • 53_3

    “Spending on infrastructure is direct expenditure on investment. it’s one of the few things that you should borrow money to fund, because the resulting capital generates future income, as with a bridge or a subway system.”
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    I think a thought experiment to perform to verify the veracity of this statement is to imagine just what would be like if our highway system disappeared in a puff of smoke.

  • mrtoads

    “John Boehner has put out a public call for any economist who could give some rationale for opposing the Obama stimulus package”
    And here, in a nutshell, is the reason why Republican ‘governance’ keeps failing. When you start with the conclusion (“What Obama wants to do is bad”) and search for reasons to justify it, you’re going to end up creating, exacerbating and then multiplying failure. This is why so many of us who used to be Republicans voted for Obama – he seems likely to operate like many of us do in the Real World: to try to find a solution to a problem, rather than find some sort of Procrustean justification for an ideologically-based decision. His solutions may work or they may not, but at least he’s thinking about cause and effect rather than using some abstract ivory-tower hallucination to “create our own reality”.

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    mrtoads–
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    It’s worse than that. Boehner is trying to find someone who will endorse a counter factual view.

  • pintortwo

    The republican party has no base to stand on. Their “platform” is mist and rhetoric.
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    Fiscal conservative? -they haven’t been this in my lifetime, repub administrations outspend dems AND borrow (sell debt) to do so. This ideal has been corrupted to stand for de-regulation and lower taxes for the wealthiest Americans.
    Free-market capitalism/de-regulation? -myth shattered. Profit-driven corps and individuals will not self-regulate.
    Small government? -government spending helps the economy.
    National Security? -the repub track-record doesn’t look so good right now. Besides, the US military spends more than the rest of the world combined! “Threat-of-the-new-century Iran’s budget, btw, is less than 1% of ours. Building non-working shields against non-existent missiles or spending billion$ on flying submarines is a tragic waste.
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    The RNC has been reduced to innuendo, deception and fear-mongering since the pillars of their party have been exposed as fraudulent.
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    It is truly unfortunate that social conservatives, chicken-hawks and selfish elites have taken over the republican party. I would welcome a resurgence of fiscal conservatives, you know, people who advocate responsible government spending. Well, maybe in 8 years after some things have been corrected.

  • alaskanturkey

    “new Republican–Internet-age”
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    Republican and ‘internet-age’ really shouldn’t be included in the same sentence, they have almost nothing to do with one another.
    .
    I like the concept of trying to tie dems to some type of industrial age fantasy while saying republications are faster and more efficient, but the truth is (and will be for quite awhile) that Republicans have become “industrial age, centralized and top-down” while Democrats are “Internet-age…and bottom-up.” Who knows.

  • davemc321

    When exactly was the last time the GOP gave a rat’s ass about “private markets and limited government?” That’s only rhetoric they use when they want to screw poor people.

  • covvb0y

    it’s all the republican parties fault. They did it all without the consent of the Democratic Congress, put in place to check and balance the status of our society as it sits today. Imagine how many corrupt liberals sold out their office in order to establish such a stable economy. It’s all Bush’s fault, he controls it all. Sarcasm intended!

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    ms–when will you recogize that the inability to accurately assess the GOP’s strength and weaknesses is the key to both yours and the party’s incompetence.

  • covvb0y

    davmc,

    are the greedy unions that are begging for billions from the taxpayers (who obviously don’t want to buy their cheaply made automobiles) considered a private market or are they limited government. I’m just trying to see your point and differentiate between who is actually what they say they are. Hopefully I didn’t lose you.

  • covvb0y

    obamadollars? What percentage will the taxpayer pay on those? How much further in debt will we be? since it’s basically giving, which means at some point it has to be made up. All I see in an obamadollar is delaying the inevitable and that is actually paying, rather than thinking it’s free and living on the credit system. The more obamadollars you pump out, the quicker the economy will sink, just like the decline of my healthcare system and coverage because good ole’ working America is burdened with covering free healthcare. That’s what an obabadollar is worth to the taxpayer, a percentage rate.

  • jcapan

    Japanese bubble burst in 1990 you arsehat
    .
    Allow me to pause to grab my long and short swords, put on my kimono and open up your entrails to the light of day.
    .
    Otherwise, pretty good work here. A dark and deserved day indeed. They can cluck about framing and moving FWD all they want–by and large American voters are savvy enough to see who’s responsible for it. Clinton and Obama = good for you wallet/Bushes and GOP = very very bad

  • Cliff

    Plenty of food for thought in this post.
    .
    The “ownership society” becomes a joke when homes and stocks, the things we aspire to own, are consistently losing value.
    .
    “Ownership society” was a joke from the first moment it was uttered.
    .
    the Blagojevich scandal, which does not appear to do the labor movement any favors
    .
    I read the article, and I think it’s more Blago-hysteria, and I’ll thank you not to foist any more of it upon us.
    Additionally, you’re fooling yourself if you think this Blago-business is anything more than a flash in the pan.
    .
    At best, conservatives have retrenched to argue that the stimulus should focus more on tax cuts then spending.
    .
    Ha! Ha! This is especially funny when you look at the talk about casting the GOP as the innovative government party, later on down the post. Tax cuts are one of about three arrows in the GOP’s quiver. They can’t innovate their way out of a paper bag.
    .
    In the near term, Republicans also have the ability to recast themselves as reformers, as the loyal opposition to the waste, fraud and abuse that is endemic to government, and certain to pop up in any massive new spending program.
    .
    Who is going to buy this, after the last eight years? At least, who will buy it that’s been paying attention?
    .
    whether the solutions to our woes are classic Democrat–industrial age, centralized and top-down–or whether they are new Republican–Internet-age, market-based and bottom-up
    .
    At this point, this is a false dichotomy.

  • 53_3

    covvb0y:
    .
    Have you noticed anything here?
    .
    Your “sarcasm” isn’t really sarcasm at all, but a list of facts that did in fact lead to the current situation.
    .
    Look upthread. How much of that debt would you like to take up? You didn’t notice that “greedy unions” are in fact, GM and Chrysler?
    .
    Cowboy, you are dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill. So far as I know, Obama has not taken office yet, and Bernanke, an appointee of a Republican president, is currently handing out free money to the wealthy.
    .
    Welfare? Health Care? What in pluperfect hell are you talking about. The amount of welfare for the rich being handed out is $7,600,000,000,000.
    .
    That is enough money to send to a cowboy like yourself $130 / month for the entire life of this planet!
    .
    If I were you, cowboy, which I’m not (and thank God!), I would try to find a different horse to ride…

  • shepherdwong

    “What Republicans need is a new ideological message for a new economic era.”

    Why, don’t you think we’ve suffered enough already?

  • 53_3

    “Imagine how many corrupt liberals sold out their office in order to establish such a stable economy.”
    .
    Cowboy, look at the faces crowded around the treasury. Not a Dem in the bunch.
    .
    I’ll guess that that number is zero.

  • 53_3

    Cowboy:
    .
    Have you noticed that every time you snap the reigns, jab those spurs, and admonish your horse with a sharp “giddyap!”, all that seems to happen is the buzz of the flies gets louder.
    .
    I wonder why…

  • oizydoizy

    The theology of modern Republicanism must die before Republicans can move forward. They deify Reagan, Milton Friedman, and Laffer, while turning a blind eye to their mistakes.

    Without Reagan, a parody like George W. Bush would not inhabit the White House. But for Independents and Democrats, a parody of George W. Bush would soon be Vice President.

    Until Republicans admit that what they did in the last 30 years (with less than full resistance from the Clintons) brought us to this point, I am secure in the knowledge that they have learned NOTHING.

  • 53_3

    “In the near term, Republicans also have the ability to recast themselves as reformers, as the loyal opposition to the waste, fraud and abuse that is endemic to government, and certain to pop up in any massive new spending program.”
    .
    Micheal, yesterday you said I was being partisan when I pointed out the foiables and lack of oversight of Republican management of the badly needed economic bailout.
    .
    It seems that you are definatly “staying the course” on denial of the sheer magnitude of the corruption the Republicans are involved in.
    .
    After all, the $6,900,000,000,000 in handouts that are outside the TARP is being handled by a Republican who refuses to reveal just what he’s doing with it.
    .
    Even without TARP and the money for the auto industry, this is more than twice the yearly budget of the entire planet!

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “The deteriorating economy now threatens to undermine the political value of the GOP’s fundamental identity as the party of private markets and limited government.”
    .
    Oh no! Not that! Anything but that! I might see myself and everyone I love on the street, I may have to resort to cannibalism or violent action to feed myself, but I simply can’t live in a world where the GOP’s identity as the party of free market principles has been tarnished! Incorrigible Moron, it could be worse….you could have been McCain’s press secretary tasked w/ explaining why lowering the corporate tax rate was key to turning the economy around. At least you’d have a job. Ah well, you gave it your best shot Michael…Jeb in 2012?
    .
    “In the face of this peril, conservatives find themselves without leadership, direction, or even a cogent ideological response to the crisis.”
    .
    Einstein, conservatives didn’t suddenly ‘find’ themselves in this predicament….they made the bed we lie in currently. All you seem to care about is how the GOP spins this, what the next bumper sticker catch phrase is, the next shiny bauble to help distract the populace so they can once again enrich their friends. GFY.

  • michaelscherer

    cincy, good to see you are still reading. been a while since I been chewed out by you.

    Cowboy, As for the Obamadollar problem, this befuddled me for a while too. But take a look at the Krugman link on the word Keynesian theory in the post. The idea is that in times of major recession it is better, in the long run, to keep the economy running even if it means government overspending, because far more will be lost if the economy idles. Krugman puts it this way:

    “One of these prejudices is the fear of red ink. In normal times, it’s good to worry about the budget deficit — and fiscal responsibility is a virtue we’ll need to relearn as soon as this crisis is past. When depression economics prevails, however, this virtue becomes a vice. F.D.R.’s premature attempt to balance the budget in 1937 almost destroyed the New Deal.

    “Another prejudice is the belief that policy should move cautiously. In normal times, this makes sense: you shouldn’t make big changes in policy until it’s clear they’re needed. Under current conditions, however, caution is risky, because big changes for the worse are already happening, and any delay in acting raises the chance of a deeper economic disaster. The policy response should be as well-crafted as possible, but time is of the essence.”

    Of course this goes against everything we think we know about government spending. But that’s what a major recession/potential recession does. The other thing to consider is that banks make money when they lend (by lending out others deposits they are effectively increasing the money supply, since one dollar is suddenly in two places at once.) But banks are not lending.

    Here is more explanation: http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-chikeynes.htm

  • michaelscherer

    Actually this link is better than the one above.

    http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/Keynesianism.htm

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    I know Republicans are in all matters to put party first, but you might consider for a second the ramifications of what’s happening to actual individuals who may not give a sh!t about the GOP.
    .
    So when do we get a post about the policies and ideology of the GOP, and what it had to do w/ this mess in the first place. Or does Jebby have you on a short leash?
    .
    Was it really ‘Morning in America’ in 1980 Michael? Or did Reagan confuse dusk for dawn?

  • michaelscherer

    Is that how it’s going to be? Now that the campaign is over I am Jeb Bush’s lap dog? Does he do bbqs? Does he have a tire swing? Merry Christmas, Cinc.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Here’s your Xmas present Michael…three questions you’ll never answer:
    Why are we in Iraq?
    How did the US economy find itself in this mess?
    Why aren’t there any liberal columnists at Time?

  • Art Pepper

    Thanks for the interesting post.
    -
    Combining “Republican” and “Internet age” is funny. Today’s GOP is anti science and anti technology. And remember that the Internet was invented by DARPA, not by the free market.

  • 53_3

    Micheal:
    .
    The “obamadollar” problem would befuddle me too, if one yet existed.
    .
    Howsomeever, the money that Bernanke is handing out while avoiding accountability, but with your appearant trust, is 10 times the size of any “obamadollar” layout and 440 times the size of what is being handed out to “big labor” (cowboy’s euphemism for the automakers).
    .
    Perhaps, Micheal, if
    both of you whip that horse, maybe the legs on it will start moving.
    .
    That is, instead of just stirring up another swarm of angry flies…

  • Paul-no not that one

    Beyond the idiotic -MS coined I assume-term Obamadollar what is confusing about it?
    Not surprised to see that the Fraudulent Scherer has a kindred spirit in Covvboy. Great minds…

  • http://time.postdown.com/2008/12/24/labors-great-expectations/ Time » Blog Archive » Labor’s Great Expectations

    [...] need to get lives as we’re both on “vacation.” I didn’t see his insightful post until I’d already had mine up. It’s not really a cross-post, though, as my story [...]

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Combining “Republican” and “Internet age” is funny.
    .
    Also Funny. “Republican” and “bottom up.”
    .

  • webyourstuff

    I find it a very sad commentary to learn that Republican party is hiring experts to come up with a viewpoint from where they can contend Obama’s stimulus package.

    I haven’t, myself, decided whether I agree with this pacage or not. However, I certainly DO NOT agree with inventing a reason to oppose it simply (apparently) because the other team proposed it.

    Laura P, Independent

  • drfredinpa

    Lower taxes and less government is the way of freedom. A major reason Republicans lost is because they spent money like Democrats in their efforts to retain power. Well, now the Democrats will try the same thing. But I’ve got a newsflash: Our current problems are due to overspending and overborrowing. We are broke. More of the same will not cure the problem. We are about to repeat Japan’s lost decade. We need to start living within our means. We are handing our progeny huge bills that are going to be unpayable. We are anywhere from 50 to 90 trillion in the red when Medicare and Social Security are properly accounted for. There isn’t enough money on the planet to cover that. So, you won. Piss away a whole bunch more money that we don’t have like Bush, Paulson and soon Geithner (the guy in charge of monitoring Citibank (!)). I’ll be stocking up on the new currency (food) as you all hyperinflate our currency into Zimbabwe territory. Good luck! (Especially in all those big cities that can grow their own food.)

  • carkrueger

    Michael,

    Your article was the most hate filled partisan hack commentary that I’ve read in a while.

    Before liberals start toasting each other, why don’t we just wait for Obama to actually accomplish something.

    I think your jubilation of the death of the GOP is quite pre-mature.

  • thechicagoan

    Almost everyone here seems to think that the reason that the Republicans spent like drunken sailors for the last eight years was because of Republican ideas.What have you all been smoking?They spent because after being in power for too long they FORGOT Republican ideas and starting acting like traditional Democrats,without the higher taxes.Higher spending under the Republicans was a consequence of power corrupting them like it corrupted the Democrats before them and like it will corrupt the Democrats now.I am and have always been an independant because I know that power is the corrupting influence,not party label.A little revolution now and then is a good thing.Now we’ve had a Democratic revolution and,after they screw us over,as they will,we’ll have another Republican revolution.Anyone who actually thinks that the Democrats will be in power for good is either a fool,a moron or has never read a history book.

  • http://allglbtforobama.wordpress.com/ allglbtforobama

    “”The psychology of politics”"

    THOSE WHO ASK “WHO + WHAT” = USE OR ABUSE POWER = MANY REPUBLICANS SOME DEMOCRATS = OFTEN NON INCLUSIVE

    THOSE WHO ASK “WHEN + WHERE” = WILL ACT / ACTION = SOME REPUBLICANS + SOME DEM/S = SELECTIVELY INCLUSIVE

    THOSE WHO ASK “WHY + HOW” = SHOWS EMPATHY = MANY DEMOCRATS SOME REPUBLICANS = ALWAYS INCLUSIVE

    GEORGE “CUSTER” BUSH = “ABUSES POWER” + ” ACTION” = “CUSTERS LAST SURGE”,SPEAKS EMPATHY IN WORDS NOT ACTIONS

    HILLARY CLINTON = USES ACTION + EMPATHY / REASONING = LACKS SOME UNDERSTANDING OF POWER RESPECT

    BARACK OBAMA = POWER + ACTION + EMPATHY/REASONING = HAS ALL THREE IN EQUAL AMOUNTS = SAFE USA FUTURE

    WE TEST DOCTORS, TEACHERS, PROFESSIONALS AND MOST CITIZENS FOR BASIC EMPLOYMENT PSYCHOLOGICALLY!

    WHY NOT TEST POLITICIANS FOR ALL THREE ATTRIBUTES = RESPECT OF POWER, ABILITY FOR ACTION, EMPATHY TO OTHERS,
    BEFORE THEY CAN RUN FOR OFFICE, SO THEY CAN SUCCESSFULLY LEAD THE U.S.A. ? ? ? ? ?

    ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ASK WHO,WHAT,WHEN,WHERE = LACKS MIRROR NEURONS TO ASK HOW + WHY = NON FUNCTIONAL

    so yes our neighbor republicans need to look at themselves and see deeper into their ability to hear from all kinds of people. Jesus says let those who can hear hear i pray they will finally learn to listen and hear.

  • 53_3

    Now this is why I tag you all as dumber than warm rocks on a windowsill:
    .
    “Lower taxes and less government is the way of freedom.”
    .
    I see. Any reasoning or data that supports your rhetoric?
    .
    “A major reason Republicans lost is because they spent money like Democrats in their efforts to retain power.”
    .
    No. That is not why. In case you hadn’t noticed, that crackhead Palin rates higher among White males than all/any women. There is a madness here behind the results.
    .
    The madness:
    .
    People resoundingly rejected Republican values. Go look for yourself. No smoke and mirrors here. You lost big and a lost badly.
    .
    ” Well, now the Democrats will try the same thing.
    .
    No, they won’t. Didn’t anyone clue you in that they are not Republicans? No?
    .
    “But I’ve got a newsflash: Our current problems are due to overspending and overborrowing. We are broke. More of the same will not cure the problem.
    .
    Another “newsflash”, er, rather, history back at you:
    .
    FDR. Nuff said. And to punctuate this with a stinger, every one of the highest deficits run up during the last 30 years was under a Republican administration.
    .
    And only once has a Republican administration had a surplus to work with, and that was 43′s first year, and a gift from Clinton.
    .
    “We are about to repeat Japan’s lost decade. We need to start living within our means. We are handing our progeny huge bills that are going to be unpayable.
    .
    Riiiight, only after Bernanke, who refuses to account for his spending of $6,900,000,000,000 (excluding TARP) finishes the Republican rape of our treasury?
    .
    “We are anywhere from 50 to 90 trillion in the red when Medicare and Social Security are properly accounted for.
    .
    One, this is an outright lie, and two, the real numbers (approx $2 trillion) are also future debt. The money has not been paid out yet!
    .
    “There isn’t enough money on the planet to cover that. So, you won. Piss away a whole bunch more money that we don’t have like Bush, Paulson and soon Geithner (the guy in charge of monitoring Citibank (!)). I’ll be stocking up on the new currency (food) as you all hyperinflate our currency into Zimbabwe territory. Good luck! (Especially in all those big cities that can grow their own food.)”
    .
    Well, in closing, all I can say at this point is that you have the right attitude toward self-preservation, but you lack sorely in the reasoning department.
    .
    Keep up the, uh, “good”, work, numbskull…

  • Cliff

    Michael,
    Your article was the most hate filled partisan hack commentary that I’ve read in a while.
    Before liberals start toasting each other, why don’t we just wait for Obama to actually accomplish something.
    I think your jubilation of the death of the GOP is quite pre-mature.
    .
    Ha! You should read more. Scherer is a milquetoast compared to some journalists out there.
    .
    thechicagoan: The Democrats will likely be in power until the GOP gets its sh!t together again, or until a new party shows up.

  • 53_3

    Cliff:
    .
    It’s a wonder that the Love To Hate segment of the GOP is so rabid that they can’t recognize freind from foe.
    .
    I recommend 3mg Risperdal and 600mg Trileptal, as well as 100mg Trazadone for sleep for the 4,000,000 or so left on the same raft as FOX and the Dynamic Druggie Duo Palin and Limbaugh.
    .
    Otherwise, it’s ok, though.
    .
    They can lather themselves up in a furious rage in the privacy of their own basements.
    .
    Merry XMas MS, and good will toward you!

  • Cliff

    Damn it! I screwed up the italics! (I’d love to blame it on a lack of preview, but I never used it in the first place.)

  • sinister6972

    “What Republicans need is a new ideological message for a new economic era. One of the smartest Republican strategists I know suggested to me that the frame should not be about whether government is good or bad, but whether the solutions to our woes are classic Democrat–industrial age, centralized and top-down–or whether they are new Republican–Internet-age, market-based and bottom-up. Republicans, he recommends, should claim the mantle of innovative government, not just small government.”

    I gotta say, that’s funny. That’s like saying were trying to get away our dependence on foreign oil. It just ain’t gonna happen. Is funny because historically, you do see a trend in Dems but overall, you do see also a trend in the GOP in times like these. The GOP wanna portray the Dems as this party as erratic or misunderstood or even unfit, while they’re portray as say…the Yanks, for example. Classic, traditional, old-school, and special brand. Let alone conservatives are not really use to “change” and here we have talking about innovation or the Internet or bottom up, etc. I mean, what is this?? Multiplication tables?? I personally believe they gotta upgrade. They not only need to be innovative(if they know what that means) but creative. Let alone the nominee for this party was the same person who they stood up against and later found out they needed him, (or not) and that’s Senator McCain. It is ironic the nominee for the same party was the same person they were critique off…I wonder who got close to “innovation” or “creativity?”

    All I’m saying is that is a very complex issue, very complex. Let’s just say that I’m trying to find answers and I’m telling you now, it ain’t gonna be easy. No offense but this party was so anxious and desperate, that I don’t nkow if they cheered more the V.P than the nominee…that tells you something.

    I wish I could help them but I ain’t. I’ll charge them…just like the Chinese are doing to us, LOL!! Hey, what bothered, conservatism led to a trillion dollar war and thousands of our beloved soldiers fighting, a crisis that nobody expect and the solution is giving money, an administration who’s approval ratings are lower than our weather(Chicago), a lame duck congress where they only went to work went things went the hard way and I can go on and on. All this crap for were we are now. Let’s just do what we do best and write history…again.

    (damn government makes me do everything…give me a damn shot)

  • banzai7

    BUSH THE FECKLESS CONMAN BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE GOP
    (to the melody of Barack the Magic Negro or Puff the Magic Dragon)
    WilliamBanzai7

    Bush, the feckless conman brought to you by the GOP
    Frolicked with the hypocrites of the grand old party of larceny and dishonesty,
    Little Dicky Cheney loved that rascal Bush,
    And brought him water boards, illegal wire taps and other fancy stuff. oh

    Bush, the feckless conman brought to you by the GOP
    Frolicked with the hypocrites of the grand old party of larceny and dishonesty
    Bush, the feckless conman brought to you by the GOP
    Frolicked with the hypocrites of the grand old party of larceny and dishonesty

    Together they would travel on a Presidential yacht filled with felons, child molesters, liars and corrupt political appointees.
    Dickie kept a lookout while Dubya huffed and puffed and failed his own country,
    Hastert, Delay, Foley, Craig, Vitter, Gonzalez, Libby, Stevens, Brownie, Rummy the list’s too long to explain,
    Somali pirate ships should all lower their flags to honor the Republican ship of shame. oh!

    Bush, the feckless conman brought to you by the GOP
    Frolicked with the hypocrites of the grand old party of larceny and dishonesty
    Bush, the feckless conman brought to you by the GOP
    Frolicked with the hypocrites of the grand old party of larceny and dishonesty

    A dragon lives forever but not so the two faced, lying and corrupt
    West wings and campaign finance rings make way for boy toys behind bars.
    One grey night it happened, Barack came knocking on the White House door
    And Bush that cagey conman, ceased his feckless roar.

    His head was hunched in sorrow, the neocons cried in pain,
    Dickie could no longer play along the Camp David lane.
    Outside the oval office, Dubya could not be brave,
    So Bush that feckless conman sadly slipped into his Crawford cave. oh!

    Bush, the feckless conman brought to you by the GOP
    Frolicked with the hypocrites of the grand old party of larceny and dishonesty
    Bush, the feckless conman brought to you by the GOP
    Frolicked with the hypocrites of the grand old party of larceny and dishonesty

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