Mitt Romney For Auto Czar, Cont’d

Last week, I mentioned that Mitt Romney was making a lot of sense with his blunt, painful advice for the auto industry. Today, Paul Ingrassia, the former Detroit bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal, further explained the harsh realities faced by companies like General Motors on NBC’s Meet The Press.

I think what we probably need in a case like this is something that might be called hybrid bankruptcy. Or if that word is toxic, let’s call it hybrid restructuring. You need someone that has the authority to really cut through some of the ropes that are tied around this industry that really prevent it from being competitive and effective. The dealer franchise laws basically make it impossible for General Motors to really shrink its dealership network from about 7,000 dealers to about 1500, which it really needs to go down to. The union contract, just the master contract with the UAW and the car companies, is about that [fat] thick. Meanwhile, out in California, General Motors and Toyota have a joint venture called NUMMI, New United Motor Manufacturing Inc., that has a modern contract about that [thin] thick. Much less work rules, much less bureaucracy on both sides. And those kind of things have to be cut through with someone who has the, has the power to invalidate the union contracts and the dealer franchise laws so real restructuring can be done. . . . They [General Motors] have eight brands with about 20, 22 percent of the market. If you just do the math, they don’t have enough money to put behind marketing or product development for eight brands. They really need to get down to Cadillac, Chevy and maybe one other, maybe Saturn. But, again, to do that, it’s going to take someone who can really invalidate some contracts with dealers. . . . The union’s got to come to the party on this. I mean, even today, Tom, some of the Big Three car factories have to staff 20 percent above the staffing level that it would take to normally operate the plant because of absenteeism. I mean, you know, a simpler operating contract, the, the contract that they have out in California at the GM/Toyota joint venture, you just miss a certain number of days and you’re out. There’s no negotiating with bureaucracies about, well, is this an excused absence or not an excused absence? It’s a simpler operating agreement. And the template already exists. They should take the corporate jets and go to California and find it.

According to Bloomberg, Obama’s transition team is already investigating the possibility of a “swift, prepackaged bankruptcy” to save the industry. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi and the auto makers’ current management still reject the idea of a government-backed bankruptcy. Also, don’t miss the New York Times piece on the Chevy Volt, which suggests that the $40,000 car will be an advance for G.M., but not a panacea.

UPDATE: For more on the G.M. union contract, and why it is not as generous for current workers as you may think, see this fine article by Jonathan Cohn at TNR.

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  • 53_3

    Yeah, MS:
    “…to invalidate the union contracts and the dealer franchise laws so real restructuring can be done…”
    .
    You are more stupid than a warm rock on a windowsill!
    .
    I can’t think of how many times I’ve heard this little insertion into every conservative based solution to the problem.
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    Stick it sideways up your ass…

  • 53_3

    You know, MS, you might consider the possiblity that there were two other events besides the presence of unions, which you clearly dislike, that had much greater impact.
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    It doesn’t take someone a lot of mental thunder to figure this one out MS, so I’ll spell them out. Repeat after me:
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    1. This disaster was entrained in the financial collapse due to the lack of credit. Consumers cannot buy cars.
    2. There was a massive spike in gas prices. The problems driven by it were not even discernable ten months ago. Consumer preference abruptly changed.
    .
    Like I said, MS, you are dumber than a warm rock on a windowsill.
    .
    Maybe you should try first to revise in your head what really works here. Gee? Was it just the message? Didn’t we in the GOP spin our point of view enough?
    .
    Yeah! Stomp twice, MS, you got it! The GOP just didn’t do a good enough job selling it!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    So the solution to all our problems revolves around firing workers who have excessive absence. Spoken like a true industrialist.

    First, labor costs, while important, are not as big an issue as most Americans think. While much of the debate about the auto industry has concentrated on the expensive wages given to unionized workers, labor represents a surprisingly small portion of the cost of producing cars. Only about 10 percent of the cost of building a car comes from direct labor costs, according to Kim Hall, director of the Automotive Communities Program at the Center for Automotive Research (C.A.R. is a nonprofit research center with ties to industry, labor, government and academia).

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/why-a-big-three-failure-wouldnt-kill-us-auto-making/

    I see that the disease of not recognizing that American workers and American customers are the same people is still infecting our economic debates. Are there provisions in Union contracts that are unecessarily costly and unproductive? You bet! Is getting rid of them the solution to our problems? Not an effing chance!

  • 53_3

    PD:
    .
    It’s the spin! MS thinks that we are a center-right country and that we really wanted Romney instead of Obama.
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    MS wants a do-over. After all, November 4 was just practice…

  • sevenoaks07

    Informative discussions about workers’ remuneration and productivity with the stress on factual evidence and honest analyses will be illuminating. We also need a searchlight on CEO compensation for their failed stewardship. Isn’t there something wrong when the top brass get rewarded no matter whether the automakers make a profit or a loss. MS: it is not very helpful to riff of one of the talking heads. If you believe everyhing Sen Shelby says, over and over again, you will never know that he far from being the disinterested party on this subject.Mitt Romney did not sing this tune when he campaigned in Michigan. And Ingrassia: why should I give his opinion any more value than those of others. They all seem to reduce very complex problems to a two minute speech. If only the union did this…

  • Art Pepper

    Of course the Volt won’t be a panacea, but it’s still an interesting car. But remember when the first PC came out? It was basically a toy, and who could afford one? I remember articles — probably in TIME — asking if the personal computer was a fad.
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    OT, but I wasn’t in the “punish Lieberman” camp until I saw him on MTP today. What a slimeball.

  • 53_3

    And “invalidating” the labor contract would reduce that 10% by a few percent, so what is the savings there, really, compared to other measures that might actually have a chance of fixing the problem.
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    I know two things. Only two, mind you, but they are, in order:
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    1. The unions are not the cause of the economic disaster
    2. Health cares costs are not driven by malpractice suit awards
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    Bang two rocks together, MS.
    .
    Guess what!
    .
    They’ll make a sound…

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Hey guys lay off Scherer. I mean judging by his post I am sure he would buy a house using a mortgage company that was going through chapter 11 bankruptcy. Right?
    .
    What a maroon!

  • 53_3

    Art Pepper:
    .
    Can you link to Liebermann?

  • michaelscherer

    paul, I think you make a good point, though that still doesn’t change the fact that the U.S. auto industry is not currently a going concern. Direct labor costs, after all, is not the biggest problem with the union contract. I posted Jonathan Cohn’s excellent explanation of this above. The point of this post, and the point of the original post, was not to blame labor. It was just to help explain the problems at the heart of the issue. I don’t think anyone thinks a solution can be found without labor’s help.

  • 53_3

    Nevermind, I’m reading the transcript

  • Art Pepper

    Lieberman: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27873500/page/3/
    .
    Now let’s see if links work.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    I wonder if Scherer has read this piece about the lie Romney has been telling about the “$70 per hour” wages the union members supposedly earn. Surely if he knew the facts about that he would know that Romney’s whole premiss was invalidated. Right?
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    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/11/21/the-myth-of-the-70-per-hour-autoworker.aspx

  • Art Pepper

    53_3: My post with the link just went to dev/null. *sigh*

  • 53_3

    “I don’t think anyone thinks a solution can be found without labor’s help.”
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    “Getting labor’s help” and “invalidate the union contracts” are not the same thing, MS.
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    You sound so reasonable, but like most of these other GOP types, one has to relentlessly decodify your speech.
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    Keep banging those rocks together, MS…

  • 53_3

    I’m sorry, sg, I have to pick on Micheal!
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    He’s trying to couch his crap in terms that are not compatible with what he wrote!

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Scherer
    .
    How much thought have you put into the fact that MAYBE a big part of the problem is the credit crisis because people wanting to buy a car can’t get financing and the Big 3 themselves can’t pay payroll or get materials and tools on credit anymore. Its funny that the credit crisis hardly ever comes up in the media as a problem with the Big 3 and instead only comes up when somebody who represents the State of Michigan the city of Detroit or one of the Big 3 gets to actually talk for themselves which doesn’t happen much.

  • Art Pepper

    sgwhiteinfla: Thanks for that link. I’ve heard before that pensions are a bigger problem for the Big Three than current wages.
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    And of course health care. I thought the GOP said the market would sort that one out.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    53_3
    .
    Reread the post and if need me let me add this tag, “snark”

  • 53_3

    What he’s really proposing is that we “get labor’s help” the same way Reagan “got labor’s help”!
    .
    And even intimating that Obama is looking at this issue, I don’t think that Obama is considering any option to “invalidate the union contracts”!
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    He’s dumber than two warm rocks on a windowsill!

  • 53_3

    Mine was snark too. Apologies. No offense was intended!

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Most people saw the vid I linked to a week or two ago where Peter Schiff was predicting the financial crisis on FoxNews over a year ago and he was laughed at by people like Ben Stein. Well Stein isnt laughing anymore and he thinks we should be doing more to prop up the economy and we should be giving a bailout to the auto industry. Now HE is the one Cavuto is trying to shout down. I swear, that guy LOVES being wrong! Notice he says that Ben Stein is one of the smartest people he knows, then proceeds to argue with him. What a fool
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    http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/neil-cavuto-screamathon-ben-stein-over-

  • sevenoaks07

    Just for once I’d like to see a string of union leaders take to the teevee and provide accurate info to counter the stuff that is put out there. Remember most of the MSM people asking the questions barely know the subject and can only give someone 2 minutes…so sound bytism rules.

  • rubypanther

    The good news is, we have a pragmatic incoming administration with the balls to ignore people like MS and Mittens.

    Somebody who understands that effective non-partisan solutions are going to require ignoring these people, and not even trying to triangulate. A lot of “Joes” out there are industrial workers, and neither end of the partisan blah-blahs are going to really satisfy them.

    MS is a dinosaur, and hasn’t noticed the arrival of flowering plants yet.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    sevenoaks07
    .
    The reason that won’t happen is because unions like to keep their contracts very secret. On the one hand they know that some people will feel like they are getting too much, on the other hand they know some of their members will think they aren’t getting enough. So I have found that most unions would much rather keep the specifics of their contracts under wraps as much as possible.

  • 53_3

    I just keep remembering that 31 year GM employee a couple years ago being told to “get a life”.
    .
    It would be a great thing for the Republicans to learn how “working with labor” really is supposed to work. They’ve done givebacks before, but I’m afraid, MS can’t hide the words “invalidate” behind other, fluffier euphemsims.
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    Also, reading the transcript of the MTP interview, yeah, Liebermann sucks big time. I’ll continue to trust Obama’s judgement.
    .
    I did note, however, that Obama has not personally talked to him…

  • 53_3

    “MS is a dinosaur, and hasn’t noticed the arrival of flowering plants yet.”
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    rubypanther:
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    That puts him where, the middle Jurassic, maybe…

  • 53_3

    rubypanther:
    .
    Really, on a more serious note, I wish that the GOPers would realize that most people are average “Joes” and labor still has a function. MS is relentless in his thinking that you really have to eliminate labor’s interests to make progress, and I don’t think that is anywhere near what reality has to offer.

  • Matt

    Does anyone really beleive Romney has credibility on this issue with his family’s auto-centric background and his pollyannish smackdown of McCain’s “dire” predictions on Michigan auto jobs during the GOP primary this January?

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • sevenoaks07

    sgw: well, then leaving the field open to the Mittenites and George Willies is the result. If unions want to keep their contracts secret, and I have a hard times understanding the reasoning, how does one counter attack. Or, is it good old greed at level a and productivity – short hand for all the issues that go into producing a vehicle – health care costs, pensions etc — at level e that is the problem? And don’t forget the jets, dining rooms, and retreats at posh resorts.

  • gysgt213

    If I wrote last week that Mitt Rommey would make a great auto cazar. I sure would not want to prove myself an idiot. But each to their own.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    sevenoaks07
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    Trust me, I am with you on this one. But I also know how unions work. And they just are never going to come out and give specifics because secrecy is one of the tools they use to play the rank and file against management.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    gysgt
    .
    It seems the only people who agree with you are right wing pundits. And yes Scherer you are included in that group. Not saying that it makes your argement wrong, just pointing out the company you keep in making that argument

  • sgwhiteinfla

    53_3
    .
    Where did you find a transcript of MTP?

  • kbanginmotown

    @MS: You might want to research this, but, last time I checked, all GM/UAW Contacts had *two* signatures at the bottom…

  • trifecta

    I can’t comment on this one because of my no insulting Michael pledge.

  • rubypanther

    53_3:

    I think they will. Many of the MS types seem to want the party to go the Palin route, but I think they’ll get rather tired of the sidelines and create some new kind of conservative intellectualism. Which of course has to at least have a claim to economic viability, which means throwing out a lot of the class war crap.

    Or maybe they’ll just thrash for a couple decades and give me lots of entertainment. But I think they hate losing enough to clue up.

  • sevenoaks07

    sg; I am dumbfounded. As a youngster I saw the battle in London and the unions lost out because they were into all sorts of overmanning scams. Rupert Murdoch established himself as union-breaker-in-chief at the time and got of City of London financing for his semi-sutomated printing works. The unions were into very bad practices then and lost public support. I thought that things had changed altho’ I am aware of the history at this end of both bad union and management practices over the years. No wonder union bashing costs so little politically.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Please, yes, get rid of all the brands. Oldsmobile disappeared and nobody noticed (or cared.) I nominate Buick as the first marque on the chopping block.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    postponing the inevitable reckoning with economic reality

    Oddly enough, this phrase cuts to the heart of every economic problem and debate that we’ve been facing all along. I’ve said before, that I don’t pretend to understand economics I know enough about thermodynamics to recognize a simple truth. If, at any time it appears that you are getting something for nothing, not only will it end up being paid for at the end but with the additional cost involved in maintaining the illusion aka. friction.

  • aaron1968

    Wow. I can’t believe how many people in the media (and faux-media) seem to happily be jumping on the anti-union bandwagon. I realize that the lies and myths perpetrated by those disciples of Leo Strauss over the past 25+ years have become ingrained to a degree. But the lack of critical thinking in these matters is stunning.

    The problems that the Big 3 have are very serious, and have very little to do with the UAW, especially considering that union has made a number of concessions already, and is willing to make more.

    But the answer is not to create a pseudo-union, as the guest on MTP suggested. And it certainly isn’t to have *no* union, as our friend Richard Shelby would love to see happen.

    AIG, a company that makes absolutely NOTHING gets 10s of billions of dollars for managing their business model so shabbily that their losses are astronomical. Meanwhile, GM, Ford, Chrysler, the heart of US industry for almost 100 years, companies that actually PRODUCE things, is not supposed to be given a chance?

    And on top of it, it’s somehow the fault of the UAW and the workers?

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    The terrible twos are no match for age 3.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    I finally found some clips of the lee atwater story. I encourage people who think Karl Roves is an evil genius to take a look at his political daddy.
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    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/atwater/view/

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I just want to ask where these tough questions were wrt the finance “industry.” AIG engaged in nothing less than fraud, and nobody said “Oh, maybe we should look into this before pumping in taxpayer dollars.”

  • kathy

    Michael – this is an astonishingly bad idea. While Romney does know how to work with Democrats (see KT’s comments about health care, last post) he doesn’t give a sweet damn about workers.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    OK I found the whole lee atwater movie online
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    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6760120905785086347&hl=ru

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    What’s weird about this is why Romney needs to be appointed by the government to deal with this. Let him put together a collection of investors, and take GM private.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    jay
    .
    Isn’t he still a sitting governer and if so wouldnt that be illegal for him to do?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    No.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    No hes not a sitting governer or no it wouldnt be illegal for him?

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    Which Mitt Romney is this? Mitt Romney the Businessman? Mitt Romney the Burnisher of Conservative Credentials? Mitt Romney the Bain Balrog? Why would anyone believe a word that Romney says at this point? Still, he has his perfect advocate in Scherer, since no-one with two cents worth of intelligence believes him either!

  • sevenoaks07

    1. Ingressia on MTP is WSJ: case closed.

    2. For those of you who argue that this is an attack on the Unions my question is: why isn’t the union out and about speaking on this issue. Every compromised Senator (Shelby!) is waxing eloquent against the unions. I have not seen a union leader who has come out and explained his position on how Detroit can be saved. Sg asks me to trust him: and I will until I see a detailed union defense of its stance. Their silence is now an issue. Can we get past the serial attack on the GM and Co gang and ask our unions why they have kept out of this fray? If they have a solid case I have yet to hear or see it on tv.

  • gysgt213

    I been saving this one for Michael.
    .

  • Slowhand Ted

    Astonishing. Not a word of mention of the captains of industry who drove the ships onto the rocks. Instead, Schnorer’s prescription is to get rid of the men in the engine room. Astonishing.

  • trifecta

    Bain Capital is all about concern for workers.

  • kathy

    sgwhite – no, not a governor. Deval Patrick is now governor of Massachusetts, which would hopefully have bubbled up for you at some point.
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    I’ll work on getting my speakers reconnected so I can watch the Atwater. I think there’s now a transcript at PBS, so I may check that out instead.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    thanks kathy. I really didnt know and didnt feel like looking it up.
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    Time for Jack Bauer so laterz

  • trifecta

    I do think that this love of Mitt’s idea does explain a great deal of the coverage we saw this fall from Michael.
    .
    Bankruptcy would allow the courts to wipe out the pensions and the current health care for the workers. Michael sees himself as one of the elites. It’s ironic, considering the downsizing going on at Time. Apparently, Mikey is safe in his employment and can blithely think it’s a good idea to not try to protect the working class.

  • Andy from MA

    MS what about the supply chain?

  • Paul-no not that one

    “the G.M. union contract, and why it is not as generous for current workers as you may think”
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    Why would people have the impression that auto workers have generous salaries and benefits?

  • bitterpill8

    PNNTO: Sevenoaks07 and sg have had an exchange on “who speaks for the unions and why are they missing from the debate?” I am struck by the fact that no union reps have been on the gasbag circuit providing info and rebutting the likes of the Muttster. I know from personal exp that our workers are having a tough time. But I have yet to see a case for “Why the $70 an hour cost of Labour at GM is a fraudulent argument”. sg points to contract secrecy. Anyone with any thoughts?

  • gysgt213

    Deep question. Is it physically possible for Mark Halperin to be any more of a complete and utter tool?
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    http://www.eandppub.com/2008/11/more-sour-grape.html

  • kbanginmotown

    @bitter: Ron Gettlefinger, pres of the UAW, had the microphones on him last week confirming that the UAW would work with GM and that GM’s collapse would cost hundreds of thousands of jobs. But, no, he did not address the labor cost issue directly.
    .
    On a related note: didja see where Citigroup got $20B in cash plus another $300B asset buyout over the weekend? WTF!!?! Did they have to go home and write an essay about how they would spend this money? The double standard is incredible!
    .
    To Karen’s contest of last Friday, I would add: GM should rename itself “GM Bank and Trust”…it would get all the money it needs!!

  • gysgt213

    Just wondering at which point credit card holders decide they are not going to pay off their bill.

  • sevenoaks07

    kbang: I note bitter’s entry and your response. If the Unions are working with GM et al shouldn’t they be at the table before the House Committee? Something does not compute.

    On Citigroup: is double standard enough to explain $20 bill? The CEO shouts: Get Treasury on the phone!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Is it physically possible for Mark Halperin to be any more of a complete and utter tool?

    Short answer:
    No.
    Longer answer:
    Not a snowball’s chance in H3LL.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    gysgt
    .
    wvng posted this link on KT’s thread last night which is semi dead. Diggby tore Halperin a new one and exposed him and how he has his own biases.
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    http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

  • sgwhiteinfla

    gysgt
    .
    wvng gave us this gem from digby on KT’s thread. Halperin gets exposed BIG TIME.

  • Andy from MA

    Why MS has hitched his wagon to a falling star. This OP-ED explains why chapter 11 is the end rather than the beginning of the process.
    .
    Romney has a better chance to become the PETA czar thathe auto czar.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/24/opinion/24abraham.html?_r=1&ref=opinion

  • gysgt213

    Thanks sg. I read digby.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I have decided to call this yankruptcy since it’s primary purpose it to grab union and pension money back from workers. I have spoken, Scherer. Adjust accordingly.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Argh, preview: its not it’s.

  • Cliff

    I think MS’s support for Romney as Car Czar could be reconsidered, but I don’t think he (Scherer) is standing on an explicit “F–k Unions” platform here.

  • oo12oo

    Wonder how the presidential election would have played out if Mr. McCain had partnered with Mr. Romney?

    http://ontheseventhday.wordpress.com/

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I am getting so sick and tired of reading how epic mismanagement, for decades, is the union’s fault.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Dirks–
    .
    I’m pretty sure we can say “hell.”
    .
    Still need manual paragraph breaks, though.

  • bryanfromhouston

    MS,
    This is a much better and more reasoned article. You should take it for a spin.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/22/business/22nocera.html?_r=1&8dpc

  • shepherdwong

    “But I have yet to see a case for “Why the $70 an hour cost of Labour at GM is a fraudulent argument”. sg points to contract secrecy. Anyone with any thoughts?”
    .

    For one thing, it includes the cost of the complete pension liability of the company divided by the number of current workers. The correct hourly figure for salary + benefits for current workers is probably around $38.

    Speaking of which, if you were to federalize the pensions (which will happen anyway if they fail) and enact national health insurance – like our foreign competitors – the “labor problem” disappears.

  • bryanfromhouston

    shepherdwong,
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    You may have just hit on something there. What if the plan among Republicans is to allow the auto industry to fail and give backdoor approval to federalization of pensions????
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    We went to war with Iraq on WMDs, afterall!!

  • shepherdwong

    “What if the plan among Republicans is to allow the auto industry to fail and give backdoor approval to federalization of pensions????
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    We went to war with Iraq on WMDs, afterall!!”

    _

    It’s dishonest enough but doesn’t fit Republican ideology. The war this time is against another of their perceived enemies, the unions. And, once again, they’re perfectly willing to lie to the American public and destroy a country to attack a despised enemy. Unfortunately, his time the country is our own.

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