Auto Agreement?

There are reports this afternoon that an agreement has been reached to bailout the auto industry. Even if this is true – that leaders in both parties have signed on – I’m told a vote would be very unlikely before Thanksgiving since there’s bound to be GOP senators that, barring an en masse drastic change of heart, would object to the leaders bringing the bill to the floor outside of regular order. Which means the measure would have to overcome a filibuster and a bunch of procedural votes before final passage. Harry Reid’s office is still looking over the deal to try and decide if they like it, and if they do the earliest I’m told the compromise could see a vote is next Wednesday. That said, it’s not outside the realm of possibility that the GOP gets on board and holds their bomb-throwing members (ahem, DeMint, Coburn) at bay. Levin and the other negotiators are having a press conference at 2:00. And, keep in mind, the measure would still face an uphill battle in the House. Both chambers had been aiming to adjourn for the year this week.

Update:
Reid at a press conference right now said the compromise agreement wouldn’t garner enough votes to pass either chamber but they are giving the Big Three one last lifeline: if they can submit viable plans to restructure by Dec. 2, Chris Dodd and Barney Frank will review them. If the two Banking Committee chairmen approve the plans, Reid and Pelosi will consider reconvening both chambers the week of Dec. 8 to vote through a bailout package.

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  • palininatowel

    But the executives flew there on private jets! Shouldn’t that change everything?
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  • sgwhiteinfla

    GM says if you can’t beat em, join em as bank holding companies
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    Screw 25 billion, 700 billion here we come!
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    http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/20/news/companies/gmac/index.htm?postversion=2008112008

  • queencersei

    And the GOP’s losses in the rust belt continue…

  • jarais

    Who’s next for a bailout? Time Warner?

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Sweet! Huge coke/meth party at GM’s Waldorf suite tonight! Save me some Ashley DuPre!

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    You know its not such a bad idea. If GMAC can get money with the stipulation that make loans — to car buyers which is supposedly why GM is having this immediate cash flow problem that could be helpful. and he11 they would be the only bank to get an infusion of cash and actually make loans — that was the original plan right?.

  • jarais

    pourme,
    Sounds great. Are you bringing glow sticks or will the government cover it?

  • Andy from MA

    WHOA NELLIE!
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    The GMAC bank holding company deal would be for credit operations only. they have to promise not use any money for manufacturing operations.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    We are all bank holding companies now!

  • Andy from MA

    JNS my suggestion for a headline: Auto Neurotica

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Ha. No glow stick budget for me – two boys to send to college. I want to see Carl Levin do that “You spin me right round like a record baby” dance.

  • sgwhiteinfla
  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    I’m cheering for the bomb throwers.

  • Slowhand Ted

    The financial firms were basically handed billions with no strings attached. This led to scenarios where the investment banks etc., had the monies but they sat on them, refusing to oil the mechanisms of lending for which the money was intended. It also allowed for some high-living beanos for senior management to take place and nothing could be done about it.

    Is it too much to ask that these loans come with a whole load of strings attached? Boot out failed management, positions within the company for overseers, perhaps stakes in the companies for money lent? Perhaps most importantly of all, a clear agenda of things to be accomplished before the next tranche of each loan is forthcoming.

  • Andy from MA

    CP: you’re da bomb!

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    kaboom

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    This is so confusing for me – really, I’m not being snarky.

    I know thousands and thousands of jobs and pensions are at stake if we don’t bail out, but if we do bail out, what guarantees do we have that we’re not just pouring more money down the toilet? And, on an individual level, aren’t we supposed to be working our way out of the personal debt we’re crushing ourselves with? How does taking out a big loan for a new, gas-guzzling car (because, that’s what’s available to buy, that’s why) fit with that? And, how does a bail out change the cars Detroit builds in the short run? And what would the difference be if they went into chapter 11? Can’t someone lay out the alternatives clearly and objectively so we can choose the lesser evil? I don’t believe there’s a good solution here, but can’t we at least get a clear idea of the reality of the choice before us before we give billions more away?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    first of all just because so many people chose to buy those big azz gas guzzling SUV’s doesn’t mean those were the only cars available to buy.
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    for the last two months all they have been saying is that we have to bail out wall street its about confidence its psychological. well you want to see a psychological blow to the economy that is the equivalent to a financial tsunami –let the auto industry implode and watch 3 million jobs evaporate just before Christmas.
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    Like I said there is no shortage of stupidity in America — Not you pirate wench, but the Richard Shelby, Andrew Sorkin, Mitt Romney et al, saying chapter 11 is the only way out.
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    What’s obvious is that Detroit is already on the way back – should they have done this earlier –yes! But they are doing it now. Are we really going to cut off our nose to spite our faces here really?

  • Paul-no not that one

    demwoman if you can stomach NPR’s Inskeep this interview with Barney Frank is pretty helpful. It was for me anyway.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97187470

  • bitterpill8

    JNS: Not to rain on your parade: but isn’t “there are reports” premature. Are you under the gun to post before things are actually decided upon? This is still not a done thing.

  • nibblybits

    pirate wench: Don’t think of this as a business decision; think of this as an electoral decision. The Dems probably know that Detroit is broken, but they also employ 3 million workers and votes. The prospect of turning Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Minnesota, and Indiana into something that looks like the West Coast or the Northeast has to be tempting.
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    At the same time, you’re right. In the current trajectory, it sounds like an enormous money pit. Cue Obama two top priorities, health care and energy. I think he’s thinking that if he can somehow rejigger health care to take that burden off the Big 3, that’s one step towards efficiency. Then somehow gradually convert auto manufacturing to the alternative energy revolution that Obama was envisioning during the campaign.
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    Could it work? What other choice do we have? Remember when the steel industry went under? The rust belt, which goes somewhat up and down Appalachia, stayed rusty and went Republican for a generation. To paraphrase an impolitic comment, without jobs and economic security, people will cling to guns and religion (ie. go Repub).

  • Paul-no not that one

    Dee I came across this about what is likely Shelby’s motivation.

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    “There is much discussion on the web about the fact that Senator Shelby of Alabama is the most quoted opponent of a Detroit bailout, but he is never asked about how the foreign auto companies in his right-to-work state would benefit mightily if they lose their competition building inefficient SUVs (in the case of Alabama, it’s Mercedes and two other foreign manufacturers of gas-guzzlers)”

  • sgwhiteinfla

    here is what I just posted at rick sanchez’s myspace page

    While we are railing against the largesse of the CEOs of the Big 3 its very important that we not lose sight of the big picture. The 3 million workers that will be affected by the collapse of the Big 3 do not get to
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    1. Approve CEO salaries
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    2. Approve CEO golden parachutes
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    3. Approve of the purchase of luxury airplanes
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    4. Get to ride in those luxury airplanes
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    So while we are all dismayed by their hubris lets not forget that the bridge loan is not to save THEIR jobs. I am sure most of them will be fine if the Company goes under. We are doing it to help the line workers who will lose their jobs and their health care and then probably lose their homes as well. And we are doing it for the economy of this country that wont be able to pay for all of the social services including unemployment pay that would be brought on by the Big 3 collapsing. That should not be an option for us.

  • Jay Newton-Small

    bitterpill8: Amazingly enough, there were reports all over CNN, ABC, MSNBC, Politico, etc. If you prefer, I can ignore news as it’s happening and write one post at the end of the day. But if we all did that, what would you look at all day long?
    JNS

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    thread goes to JNS

  • yogi

    JNS, I for one like the blog, for if you and your colleagues didn’t update it, would be one very bored person here at work…although a side effect is I might get more work done…hmmm… oh Time blogs, I wish I could quit you.

  • drgardner

    This is a great idea – viable plans for restructuring. It’s only reasonable – we’re talking about $25B here. We demanded the same level of consideration and planning when we gave the $700B to Wall Street, so it’s only fair that we….

    Uh…wait…never mind.

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  • sgwhiteinfla

    marina
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    Are you another spammer from the borgen project?
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    Ill hold my breath waiting for you to answer

  • bitterpill8

    JNS: unfortunately I can’t watch tv all day long; just dip in as work allows. I take your point. You are in a competitive business and the urge to get it out first is natural. My point: I can wait a few hours for accurate news. But don’t let me dampen your efforts: you are tryng, this is your job and the best of luck to you.

  • newfloridian

    Crash and Burn Baby. Sort of like Drill Baby Drill! Huh?

    Citigroup is now under $5 a share, most mutual funds drop stocks that go under $5 a share, which means big sell off in the next few days for Citigroup. Good time to short Citigroup. Of course every fund manager, hedgers and savy investor is thinking the same thing. Probably will not be enough buyers to handle all the sell orders on a short frenzy.

    Senator Shelby of Alabama: “Unemployed workers taste just like chicken.” It’s the Republican’s new solution to unemployment.

    The only good news is that the economy and market may be so far gone by the time Obama takes control on January 20th that they look like heroes no matter what they do!!!

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    PNNTO – thanks, I’ll check it out.
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    In the meantime, everyone is talking like the alternatives are bail out or lose the industry and all its suppliers. Let me say first clearly that I am not advocating the chapter 11 option, but that option is an alternative to not having any industry at all, yes? The companies would be forced to restructure but would remain in business, much like what happened with the airlines? Now the consequences for that path may be just as dire, if not more so, than the bail out, but I would like to see all the options for both presented before a decision is made.
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    Now I’ll go check out Paul’s resource, where this point may have already been addressed, but posting first saved me a back and forth :) . Or not :) . Yarr!

  • Paul-no not that one

    Enjoy the audio if you can demwoman-Barney Frank is not someone Inskeep should treat so shabbily.

  • kbanginmotown

    @piratewench: The short answer to your question is that the US automakers need LOANS to see them through until new products make it to market. (The MSM likes the term “bailout” – this is misleading).
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    The automakers ARE in the process of creating newer, more fuel efficient products. Unfortunately, it takes about 3 years to get a new model off of the assembly line. Gas prices can spike in a matter of hours.
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    As recently as 2007, the Center for Automotive Research (the same group that issued the economic impact warning last week) surveyed auto industry executives to find out what was being done in response to gas prices being $3(!) a gallon. The car companies were already scrambling to make better vehicles by the time gas went to $4. Then people stopped buying cars altogether.
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    So there you have it. Had gas stayed at $3 this past year, the Biggish-3 may have made it to the goal line. Not now. Do you throw a person a life ring when he’s they’re in sight of the pier? Or, do you chastise them for not having swam harder, sooner?
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    @Pnnto: I heard Barney Frank’s interview yesterday. D@mn. I wish he’d move to Michigan. I can’t recall when I last heard one of our reps make the case for the auto industry as good as he did.
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    CAR: “Every automotive program has an internal business case that is ultimately controlled by vehicle prices and sales volumes; all aspects of a program plan must meet the resulting budget constraint.”
    KB: And when sales volumes evaporate…it’s time for Plan B.

  • Paul-no not that one

    kbang, Barney made what I thought was a strong case. And the pushing back he did with the misinformation was pretty impressive.
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    Your point about the terms is a good one. Bailout suggests a no strings attached bill. And it is anything but.

  • centfan

    Maybe this is nuts but if you told the American people “we’ll catch you if you fall” wouldn’t they tend to feel more confident about spending money? If we took these billions and applied it directly to unemployment and only that wouldn’t it a) get people spending and b) allow a few of the institutions that are most sick and tired (and greedy and stupid) to die and have whatever is worth something in their guts (portfolio) harvested to the highest bidder?
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    Yes, I know unemployed people aren’t going to spend much and dead companies don’t employ people and folks with semi-bad credit are going to find it hard to get a loan outside of a loan shark, but Obama has to stick with “just folks”, not the corporate “flavor of the minute”. If these industries are smart they survive. If they don’t, new and better ones will rise from their rotting, twentieth century thinking carcasses. It’s called the Forest Fire Renewal Approach.
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    If people know that they will keep a roof over their heads even if things get bad… then thing will never get bad because people won’t be stuffing their gold bars in their mattresses (you know, like CEO’s).

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