Mitt Romney For Auto Industry Czar*

If I were a candidate for public office, I would not turn to Mitt Romney for advice. If I were building a million-dollar country mansion, I would not make Romney my interior decorator. If I needed jokes for a standup act, Romney would not be my writer. But if I lived in a nation threatened by a automobile industry collapse, Romney would be at the top of the list of experts whose advice I heeded. The reason: Everything in his life has prepared him for this task.

To understand Romney, one must understand that his entire professional career has been an homage to his father, a successful automobile executive who helped turn around Detroit during another period of financial peril. Romney learned, quite literally, at his father’s knee, and then spent his adult life replicating, and outdoing, his father’s success in the business world. Romney’s record as a corporate financier is one of a disciplined, sometimes ruthless, and determined son. Romney became rich because he had a smarter business mind and a fiercer work ethic than the other guys. (Too bad for him, hard work and smarts are just two of the many requirements for a candidate for president.)

In today’s New York Times, Romney writes an op-ed called “Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.” He proposes firing the management of the big three, rejecting the short-term bailout now on the table, and forcing the American automakers to deal with their substantial pension and labor disadvantages, when compared with foreign automakers. His thesis:

If General Motors, Ford and Chrysler get the bailout that their chief executives asked for yesterday, you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye. It won’t go overnight, but its demise will be virtually guaranteed. Without that bailout, Detroit will need to drastically restructure itself. With it, the automakers will stay the course — the suicidal course of declining market shares, insurmountable labor and retiree burdens, technology atrophy, product inferiority and never-ending job losses. Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check.

His solution:

[D]on’t ask Washington to give shareholders and bondholders a free pass — they bet on management and they lost. The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

There is, of course, a great irony to this sort of op-ed. It was Romney, after all, who won the Michigan primary by attacking John McCain for telling voters that some manufacturing jobs “are not coming back.” Romney the Politician always seemed to be pandering to one group or another. It was hard to believe him after a while. But Romney the Businessman is another thing altogether. The same thing that made him a lousy candidate–an obsession with seeing everything as a Harvard Business School case study–makes him the kind of person you want to listen to in a corporate financial crisis.

*The headline is a joke. I am not in the business of making personnel recommendations to Barack Obama. Though I can’t help thinking about what a stir Obama would make if he did something like that.

UPDATE: Another argument in favor of bankruptcy can be found here, by the Times’ Andrew Ross Sorkin.

ANOTHER: Commenter Pourmecoffee notes properly that it is unfair to just blame unions for the mess. Corporate management must own it too. (They can begin by contemplating the wisdom of their private jets.) Also Matt Yglesias has some good historical perspective on the Big 3 union dilemma. And the argument that management matters is further proved by TIME’s report from Bill Saporito on the relative health of Ford to General Motors, despite similar union arrangements.

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  • 53_3

    Well, hvell the who gives a steaming bowl of excreta about the jobs that will be lost, eh?

  • 53_3

    Why don’t we just let it all go down the hole, and let the Gods of The Free Market handle it?
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    Ahyuh! Ahyuh! Ahyuh!

  • 53_3

    Yes! Principals* over reality!
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    That’ll win the GOP votes come 2010…
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    *Ideology

  • gysgt213

    Michael,

    Do you even know how Mittens made his money? Meet the real life Gordon Geckko.
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    Romney made his fortune by coldbloodedly gambling on the successes and failures of the companies he bought and sold. Romney could care less about labor he only cares about turning money into money and more than a few of his investments were of the scorched-earth variety, buying up companies and cashing out within three to five years, often after closing factories or laying off workers to beef up the bottom line.
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    How does his style and experience help the big 3?

  • 53_3

    GOP take on the manufacturing sector:
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    It’s all going away anyway, so fvck it!

  • Cliff

    All right, I can understand what Romney is saying here. And if we weren’t already teetering on the brink, I’d agree with him.
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    But we are teetering on the brink, and I don’t understand why we can’t bail them out with conditions attached.
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    Now I know that violates Romney’s Three Laws of Business, and I know that Paulson prefers to hand over wheelbarrows of cash with no oversight.
    But in theory, it seems like we could bail them out under the condition that they reinvent themselves.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    So let Romney the Businessman run an automobile business.
    But I don’t take it on faith that his business experience qualifies him to run the economy, or regulate an industry. A good student does not necessarily make a good teacher, and a good player does not necessarily make a good coach.
    Romney’s advice may be good for automobile executives, but it doesn’t follow that it’s good advice for the government.

  • 53_3

    It’s like Scherer doesn’t realize there are other people besides the High Rollers that participate in this economy.
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    Micheal Scherer looks at the world through a gaily painted toilet paper tube!

  • 53_3

    I’ve been a bit nippy here, but what the hvell!
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    Here goes another!
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    “Globalization is inevitable! You will not escape!” He bellowed, firmly clamping the two unfortunates under each of his rubbery armpits as he proceeded toward the airloack.
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    “Globalization is inevitable!”

  • exile500

    This is really dumb.

  • bloodofpatriots

    Shouldn’t that be, “If I were”?

    Just sayin’.

  • chester9000

    “(Too bad for him, hard work and smarts are just two of the many requirements for a candidate for president.)”
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    Irony?

  • michaelscherer

    bloodof, you are right. i changed.

  • 53_3

    Romney’s Three Laws of Business
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    1. Garf ‘em down
    2. Git what I want
    2-1/2. fvck everything else
    3. Splatter fort what’s left

  • Lulu Lulu

    MICHAEL WROTE: Romney learned, quite literally, at his father’s knee
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    That Mr. Romney Senior must have been a tall, tall man.

  • gysgt213

    Let’s keep Mit away from the auto industry and Michael away from offering advice to Obama’s transition team and the country just might survive this current melt down.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    53-
    Do you think Mittens is more Vogon or Golgafrincham?

  • 53_3

    “That Mr. Romney Senior must have been a tall, tall man.”
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    Maybe he was Paul Bunyan.
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    And his Blue Ox was… drumroll, whether you like it or not!
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    Micheal Scherer!

  • 53_3

    I think Vogon, definately. The Golgafrinchams were more wishy washy. Vogons were relentlessly loyal to their ideals…

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs.

    In other words, it would make sure that the people who really get screwed are the workers, current and retired.
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    And of course, the people who decided that if the public wants SUV’s then by God we’ll make sure we can’t provide anything BUT, collect their Golden Parachutes in a lump sum, so they can go ahead and put the someplace safe instead.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Chrysler is currently owned by Cerberus Capital Management – a firm full of Mitt Romney clones with identical pedigrees except for the bloodline. They all want the same thing: a mulligan on wage, pension, and union commitments. Meanwhile, southern politicians wait silently like vultures for the plants to close and rise again in their right-to-work states, whether as GM or Toyota – it matters little to them. Mitt Romney would make the worst Auto Czar in the world, because he approaches the issue as a stereotypical private equity play, which is to say solely from a profitability standpoint. He has demonstrated little concern for the messy realities of rust belt manufacturing workers and cities, except to pander thoughtlessly while shaking their greasy hands pending a more thoughtful column for the country club crowd. Mitt Romney cares about one thing above all else: capital formation and flow. That is Mitt Romney.

  • nibblybits

    It’s true. Mittens is looking at the auto business as a financier, not as an industrialist. There is a difference.
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    I would also take issue with your characterization, thus:
    “Romney became rich because he had a smarter business mind and a fiercer work ethic than the other guys.”
    Uhmmm, not really. Scherer makes a rather dumb equivalency, money as measure of achievement. Only if you think a 30 y.o. hedge fund manager is somehow more accomplished and worthy than the President of the United States.

  • 53_3

    Didn’t Micheal Scherer realize that there is a lot of this here “excess labor” these days?
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    I mean, doh! Why in pluperfect hvell does he think we even have an economic meltdown?
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    Riddle me that, Micheal!

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Cerberus Capital, Sirius Cybernetics — it all makes sense now!
    To 53 & me, anyway…

  • gysgt213

    Everyone should read Matt Taibbi’s Rolling Stone Article on Mittens. If it doesn’t prove what an insane idea of letting near the big 3 is then nothing will. Here are some highlights.
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    Harvard-educated prodigy executive, Romney at a very young age was put in charge of a venture-capital outfit called Bain Capital. Reports suggest that many of the traits that mark Romney’s campaign style – his meticulously prepared presentation, his apparent tirelessness, his iron discipline in not straying into controversial or unpredictable policy positions – were also in evidence in his managerial style at Bain, where he is said to have pored over each and every expenditure and bloodlessly weeded out risky investment schemes in an age (the early Eighties) when many investment companies were spending money like drunken sailors. At Bain, each partner had veto power over every deal, and as a result, investing any money at all was an enormously time-consuming process. One former partner, Bob White, says he got so tired of Romney shooting down deals in strategy meetings that he wanted to “punch him in the nose.” But the devil’s-advocate approach paid off – most notably when Bain’s $650,000 investment in a single Staples store turned into an $18 billion chain.
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    Despite this success, however, Romney moved Bain away from boom-bust venture-capital investments and into the darker world of leveraged buyouts, where the firm borrowed money to make deals. A typical example of Bain’s approach was its experience with another office-supply company called Ampad, which it acquired in 1992. In 1993, the company had $11 million in debt; by 1999, that number had grown to nearly $400 million, and the firm eventually declared bankruptcy. But despite Ampad’s failure, Bain made a fortune, raking in more than $100 million while driving the company into the ground and destroying hundreds of jobs in places like New York (where 185 people were thrown out of work in a plant closing near Buffalo) and Indiana (where the firm fired 200 workers from a paper factory).
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    Even more telling was Romney’s interest in a medical-testing firm called Damon Corp., which Bain bought in 1989. The company was eventually fined a record $119 million for defrauding the federal government out of $25 million, but Bain still tripled its investment on the Damon deal. And Romney, who was sitting on the Damon board at the time of the fraud (his claim that he was the one who called for an internal investigation has never been substantiated), made a personal profit of $473,000 on the deal.
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    In a delicious detail that says a lot about the nature of Romney’s morality, the investor had no problem making piles of cash off companies that executed mass layoffs or defrauded the government, but he balked when asked to invest in a Bain deal to acquire a video distribution company called Artisan Entertainment. “I didn’t want to profit from a studio that made R-rated movies,” he huffed
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    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16983679/mitt_romney_the_huckster/3

  • piper1

    Let me make sure I understand this correctly:

    $700 billion down payment for financial industries, allowing them to maintain lavish and oversized executive compensation packages, dividend payments to shareholders and use the money to buy other banks instead of loosening credit- Great idea, no problem. Certainly not socialism.

    $25 billion to help keep alive the American auto industry that employs 3 million plus people, many in crucial battleground electoral states, and, umm, actually produces something- No way, let them fail. That kind of support would clearly be socialism.

    I mean THIS is the line in the sand? Give me a break.

    Bailout the autos in a way that forces them to help bring about a greener economy. Win-win.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    MS — what crap!
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    Normally everyone is on your case because of the obvious hero worship you substitute for reporting, but this is just beyond the pale. Does the management of the big 3 need to be replaced? Absolutely! I am the first one to agree that a number of our most prestigious universities ought to be recalling some of the MBA’s they have bestowed on members of our business community.
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    The auto industry had a chance to be the first with the electric car but they feared it would put the service departments of their dealerships out of business so they scrapped innovation in favor of the status quo. Since the first oil crisis that let the foreign take a foot hold in our markets they have done damn little to fight back.
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    But I get incensed every time I hear the media or politicians cavalierly refer to shedding legacy costs or union contracts, as if these are not workers or retirees we are talking about shafting. Why is it that we rarely refer to it as reducing wages, cutting benefits like health care and shifting the responsibilities of pensions on to the tax payers. It would be one thing if the GOP hadn’t blocked every attempt to put national health care on the map.
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    Why does your post not bother to ask the question why are foreign automobile companies able to to keep their labor costs cheaper? Could it be because health care is not part of the mix. Sure we could do that too but is Mitt talking about transferring health care costs to the public domain or is he just talking about transferring the cost to the workers.
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    We just had an election where the voters clearly said that the era of rich guys first and every man for himself was over. So don’t hold Mitt up as some paragon of business acumen. He and his type of businessmen who were more interested in increasing the bottom line for himself and their shareholders than maintaining a thriving environment that workers can count on started us on this path. Now that we reached rock bottom you suggest we hand them the means to finish us off.
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    MS either you are naive, corrupt or just plain stupid but I for one do not need to rained on twice to know water is wet and Mitt Romney is nothing more than an opportunity, did he learn that at his fathers knee too?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    First off, Scherer, you are an incorrigible moron. As proof, you’ve linked to a 9 months old story about Romney’s win in Michigan instead of the op-ed your talking about. Here’s the link to the actual op-ed:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/opinion/19romney.html
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    So lay off workers, cut pensions and everything will be okey dokey? Hopefully these people will be able to find enough change in between the couch cushions to buy these new cars which will be dramatically cheaper now I suppose. The crisis we’re facing isn’t that things cost too much, it’s that they don’t cost enough. We are facing a prolonged deflationary period…now is the time to put money in people’s pockets Einstein.
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    As usual, there’s more reportage in the comments section than in the meat of Scherer’s scribblings. What god do I have to sacrifice to get Scherer laid off?
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    Well, since all bets are off as far as this capitalism thingy goes…why not just nationalize the industry and use it as the foundation for the new Manhattan Project? I don’t see any upside in bailing them out but leaving them in charge when they’ve proven themselves completely incapable of managing themselves.

  • kathy

    I haven’t reread this today, but at the time (august 2006) I was impressed with Malcolm Gladwell’s assessment of some of the reasons the US auto industry is in such a financial bind vis a vis other auto makers, because of their historical choices around health insurance. Worth a read:
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    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/08/28/060828fa_fact

  • nibblybits

    At the risk of sounding repetitive, may I bring up again the fascinating power struggle for the chair of the House Energy and Commerce Committee between Dingell and Waxman? I bring it up because many of the woes of the auto industry today is attributable to John Dingell’s control of this powerful committee. For decades, he has carried the water for the Big 3, blocking innovation and any calls for fuel efficiency standards. Many environmental proposals were ruthlessly killed by Dingell in this committee.
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    So in a surprise move a week ago, Waxman made a play for the committee chair. Since then the two have been rallying support. Dingell’s first calls were to his K Street lobbyists and the Michigan delegation. Waxman has been quietly building his allies from the California delegation, from environmentalists, and newer members who were voted in on change. This fight between two powerhouses is Shakespearean, and even more, relevant.
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    Obama stated on the stump and in the debates that energy independence was his #1 priority in his administration. This committee is key to furthering that agenda. Waxman has shown himself to be an activist with a strong environmental record. Dingell is a dinosaur clinging with last legs. Vote is coming up, and there is a lot of back room whipping for votes going on. Stay tuned.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Sorry to bang the Lieberman drum again, but again, all Scherer posts are to be treated as open threads. Did anyone remember that Traitor Joe cut a $250,000 check for the DSCC just a couple months ago?
    http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/28/lieberman-to-reid-will-250-million-be-enough-video/
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    “Gee, that’s a nice gavel….be a shame if anything happened to it.”

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Let me ask a stupid question:
    1. If we just passed a law giving $700 billion to financial institutions (Group A) for the purpose of and with a heavy emphasis on making loans; and
    2. The auto industry (Group B) testifies that, far from a bailout, they are simply in need of $25 billion in “bridge loans” to tide them over during a little dustup; then
    3. Why doesn’t Group A make these loans to Group B?

  • 53_3

    Joe Bftsplk:
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    Damm Joe! I feel like I bucketed one from midcourt with two seconds left! Pure luck and not one bit of skill! Mittens is a Vogon to the core!
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    Cerebrus Financial. Gads, what a title.
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    Excuse me while I harf it all up…
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    “…fiercer work ethic…”
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    Nibbly:
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    Isn’t this a euphemism for “inhuman”, “cold bloodedness”, or some other such reptilian attribute?
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    Is that all the GOP has to offer? No social conscience, nothing about the families who will lose their homes and livelihoods?
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    I mean, really, I was wrong.
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    Micheal Scherer looks at life through two gaily painted toilet paper rolls!

  • toddandincharge

    I think MS has a new crush.
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    Three guesses as to who’ll be assigned to travel with the Romney campaign in 2012.

  • bobcn1

    ‘It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs.’
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    So the solution to this problem is to take away pensions? Pensions are not ‘excess’. They are compensation for work performed.
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    Pensioners should be the LAST people to be harmed by a reorganization. Unfortunately, usually they are the first (since they are the least able to defend themselves). This is exactly why we need unions. Driving old people into poverty is an unacceptable solution. If the Big 3 must be sold off, pensioners should be at the front of the line to be compensated, not the back.
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    Also, for those who say ‘let the auto industry die’ — they probably won’t. They very well might be sold to the Chinese. It has been reported that the Chinese are interested in buying. Is that really what you want?

  • billiecat

    To be fair, Mittens is talking about some kind of Chapter 11 bankruptcy, which, if it were possible, might actually be a way to reform the industry, provided the UAW didn’t end up getting the shaft. But the real problem is that there is unlikely in this economy to be sufficient DiP financing, so a Chapter 11 becomes a Chapter 7, dissolution. That’s the nightmare scenario where Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Indiana and Illinois, all of which have significant auto industry presence, get bombed back to the stone age.
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    Notice anything significant about those states? They all went blue this year. And if the Republicans let the Big Three fall, they’ll be blue for the foreseeable future.

  • stuartzechman

    If the jobs and industrial capability are so important to our economic recovery and future manufacturing viability as a nation, and yet the current executives are incapable of even preventing the collapse of their entire industry without enormous taxpayer support, then why not simply nationalize the auto-industry?

    Why shouldn’t taxpayers become direct shareholders a la Social Security, if we’re begged –no, threatened into investing our money? When does this lunacy of privatizing the profits, and socializing the risks and costs end?

    Why give this money directly to the people who have a track record of catastrophic failure? Isn’t that sort of like giving a blank check to the Bush Administration to continue a failed occupation indefinitely? Democrats would never…oh, wait…

    Is this sort of deal really what we elected Democrats to power to do on our behalf?

    Is this always what we can expect from them, i.e. to be held hostage to whatever problem confronts them, to piss and moan about how powerless anybody is to solve it, and to eventually hand over the Federal credit card to whoever scares them sufficiently?

  • pintortwo

    The problems of the auto industry present an opportunity, of sorts, for Obama. Arguably, the most significant and innovative component of his platform is his green initiative- specifically, a $150 billion investment over 10 years to develop and commercialize alternative energy sources. Not only could an auto-industry rescue package force auto-makers into higher emissions standards and more eco-friendly manufacturing, but could mandate utilization of any non-oil based fuels that are developed. In other words, this could potentially end oil’s reign as the dominant transportation fuel. This, many argue, is the only way to end our addiction to oil.

  • stuartzechman

    Forget what I just wrote.

    What pourmecoffee just said.

  • 53_3

    Dee:
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    It urinates me when I hear people like Micheal try to put everything on the “corrupt unions” and labor minions.
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    It’s like we should all walk in a line, like cows in the slaughter chute, mooing contentedly while some GOPer, blessed with a “fierce work ethic”, shoots a nailgun in our heads, one at a time.
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    What total, posilute drivel.

  • Andy from MA

    I’ve got four words for you, MS: “Follow the supply chain.”
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    Every politican that has weighed in on not bailing out the auto industry has no freakin’ clue about the impact to suppliers upstream and downstream of the manufacturing process. The auto industry has been outsourced much of its business to suppliers. Apparently this Time journalist has no freakin’ clue either.
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    The domestic auto industry bankruptcy would have a tremendous impact on suppliers, ad agencies, TV and radio stations,newspaper and MAGAZINES who sell advertising space (and time). If left to fail this will have a bigger impact than anything that could have happened to AIG if it were to fail.
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    The people who it will affect/impact/destroy are citizens: That is spelled V-O-T-E-R-S, bucko! If the republicans want to kill the small and medium size businesses that are part of the domestic auto industry supply chain so be it. It will make this recession turn into a depression.
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    Yes MS, my friend, you’ll be looking for work as some weekly newspaper columnist/ad rep/office boy somewhere in the hinterlands.

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  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    No, actually you and I were right Stuart. Nationalize. Use the infrastructure as the foundation for the New Manhattan Project. The era of the combustible engine is over. Use this crisis as an opportunity to make a huge leap forward. Propping up the auto industry to maintain the status quo won’t work. In this deflationary period, people aren’t going to have money to spend on autos, fuel efficient or otherwise.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    The bigger problem with Romney is that all of his energy is around returning the automakers to profitability — a very difficult thing that I have no doubt he is one of a handful of experts at doing. Here’s the thing, though: I don’t care about the profitability of these companies as going-forward entities. If that’s all that is at stake, let them fail. The reason it matters to me and the country is that the fate of a huge number of workers, and an entire region is bound up in their fate. It’s not just wages and pensions, either. Romney didn’t once mention in his article the rust belt cities rotting to death in this industrial transition period. He didn’t mention what to do with the narrowly trained worker base. I know it’s just one article, and I’m sure he cares in a general sense — but not enough to escape his balance sheet world view. This is where my anger is: from a balance sheet view – these companies are failures and let them die. They richly deserve it. If we rescue them, it necessarily involves an abandonment of that view, and calls for bringing in a range of concerns for which Romney is not only non-expert, but actively hostile.

  • Cliff

    Use the infrastructure as the foundation for the New Manhattan Project.
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    Bob Woodward says we already got one of those. It’s fer killin’ terrists. But he can’t talk about it, because then we wouldn’t be able to kill as many terrists.
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    Also, I thought the current plan was to divert $25 billion from the Big Bailout to the auto companies, rather than scrape $25 billion more up from somewhere.

  • nibblybits

    Worth noting that Beavis (Mittens) & Butthead (Carly Fiorina) were on Morning Joe today arguing for bankruptcy.
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27801735#27801735
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27801735#27801902
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    My question is neither of these clowns have a job; if they think they could do so much better, why don’t they volunteer? Of course, Carly was fired for running her last company into the ground and Mittens has never built anything in his life, but hey, they’re on TV mouthing off. So let them have at it.

  • michaelscherer

    Romney is not saying that the government should not help automakers, just that the help should happen within the Chapter 11 process which would lead to the company being more competitive in the future. Here is another column on this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/business/economy/18sorkin.html

    As to the union issue, I am not blaming the unions. But as it stands, we face a choice: Either the U.S. taxpayers subsidize the employment agreements of the big three which are far beyond what their rivals pay (even in the U.S.) or those agreements change. Here is how Sorkin sums it up in the Times.

    Part of the problem is summed up by comments like this one in The Detroit Free Press, made by Kandy O’Neill, 39, an assembler at G.M.’s plant in Lake Orion, Mich., where she builds the Chevy Malibu and Pontiac G6. “I think we’ve given enough,” she said about the cuts to her salary and pension plan.

    “Everybody wants to come down hard on the workers,” she said. “Nobody knows what we do inside there but the people who work there. It’s hard. It is not an easy job.”

    When you read a line like that you might sympathize with her, but then you realize that nothing can be accomplished without bankruptcy. Ms. O’Neill: your company is asking the taxpayers — many of whom don’t have health care coverage — to pay your salary and health insurance.”

    It also does not follow that by rejecting the current bailout the U.S. government abandons all responsibility for those hurt by the automotive downturn. The question is just how should the money be spent best.

  • Andy from MA

    Stuart and Cincy: Based upon the inertia that happened in the democratic caucus yesterday, nationalizing the auto industry would be truly an act of God.
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    The preamble of the constitution of the US should be rewritten:
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    “We the corporations of the US…”

  • fourlegsgood

    I wouldn’t hire Romney for any job that involved people. Period.

  • Andy from MA

    MS: the US is subsidizingt the healthcare, compensation, and pension benfit of the major financial institutions. What is the difference between finance and the auto industry?

  • fourlegsgood

    Excess pension and labor costs = cutting worker wages and wiping out their pensions.
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    A real prince, that Mitt. He pretty much wants to put the auto industry in a carrier on his roof.

  • nibblybits

    Worth noting that Beavis (Mittens) & Butthead (Carly Fiorina) were on Morning Joe today arguing for bankruptcy.
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27801735#27801735
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    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27801735#27801902
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    My question is neither of these clowns has a job; if they think they could do so much better, why don’t they step up? Of course, Carly was fired for running her last company into the ground and Mittens has never built anything in his life, but hey, they’re on TV mouthing off. So let them have at it.

  • Cliff

    Ms. O’Neill: your company is asking the taxpayers — many of whom don’t have health care coverage — to pay your salary and health insurance.
    .
    Well, I’m already paying for shiny new death machines and floating sh!tpiles for the Pentagon. Ms. O’Neill may as well hop on the gravy train too.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    I was gonna post one article from thinkprogress about how the Big 3 CEOs are blowing it by showing up in separate private luxury jets while begging for money. A couple of congressmen took them to task about it. But then I saw several other stories that I thought might be of some interest so im just posting the link for the site
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    http://thinkprogress.org/

  • trifecta

    The Republican point person opposing the loans seems to be Richard Shelby. Yet, I never hear it mentioned that 3 foreign car companies have plants in Alabama, and he has a bit of a conflict of interest here, because the big 3 are the competition for the car companies who have set up shop in Alabama.

    I am pointedly ignoring Michael because I vowed not to insult him, and it’s rather hard to keep to that if you talk about his posts.

  • bryanfromhouston

    Pourmecoffee,
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    I feel your pain, but there is a reality here that we must face. Sometimes, you get in a boat and you paddle out and find it has a leak. If isn’t too big, you can rein it back into the harbor and have it repaired. But, if you taking on water faster than you paddle back to shore, it is far more efficient to just abandon ship and swim back to shore. Certainly, nobody wants to lose their boat, but that is when you bring in a salvage operation. This situation is directly analagous to what we have today, except that real people are going to suffer, lose homes and communities will disappear. That unfortunately, just like taking on water in leaky boat, will happen anyway.
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    Sadly, there is nothing that will stop this trajectory. Just like a plane that stalls on take-off…pull out your parachute and jump away from the plane. It can’t be recovered! The fact is that Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Mazda are all reducing or shutting down production lines. See here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/162933 Certainly, this is no fun. People will lose jobs, homes, etc…but it will not change the reality that I can’t afford a new car at the moment at any price, nor are there enough buyers to provide the demand to keep those folks employed. Just bailing out auto companies to pay workers to produce cars that nobody is able to afford or can get credit to buy is foolish. What we are facing right now is deleveraging. It is what happens when Wall Street, the Big 3, and the housing industry gets drunk and no one takes away the punch bowl. We have way too much capacity for production, entirely too much supply and not nearly enough demand unless we begin exporting to India and China at prices that they can afford.
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    The supply / demand curve in the present economy is out of whack, and there is no easy or non-painful way to put it back in balance. God knows, I wish there was, but it is time to pay the Piper. We can’t keep robbing Peter to pay Paul.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    MS – Reducing automaker problems to simply unions and labor costs is reflexive and shallow. German automakers are heavily unionized and well paid. The problem is that GM now sits atop the very sharp point of an iceberg of decades of incompetence and bad management and they are yelling “ouch!” Of course, dropping the biggest items from one side of its balance sheet would help but it’s not the problem. Start here for a good, quick overview, but the current CEOs better get something straight: they are going to have to own their failures if they want our jack. None of this “slight hiccup” or union-blaming. If they want to get into our pants they had better buy us a big dinner and ask about our dreams.

  • queencersei

    Woe to the line worker who faithfully showed up to the job five days a week for twenty plus years. According to Romney these people’s life time of hard work should be rewarded with a big up yours as the Big Three rolls back or cancels their pensions. Nice. And what will happen to these people’s who’s hard earned retirements are gutted? Certainly not multi-millionaire Romney. Who ever said compationate conservatism was a myth!

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    The problem MS is that you are so busy defending your crush on Mittens that you fail to ask the obvious question — is there another alternative beside shafting the taxpayers or the workers? The GOP have had only one strategy since 1980 and that’s break it up and sell if off workers be damned.
    .
    And tell me if we need the auto industries to retool for a war or some other defensive necessity who are we going to count on to provide the skill set — Mitt?
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    Aren’t we still building submarines we don’t need because we can’t afford to lose the know how. What’s the difference. We seem to marvel about how streamlined our foreign competitors are but their governments support them when needed but of course we can’t do that because it goes against the GOP ideology — yeah the same ideology that has the US economically on our knees.
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    What’s funny is that mittens and his ilk (I suppose this includes you too) have the unmitigated gall to suggest they have the answer, in the same breath that they call for the heads of the failed auto managers. Well isn’t Mitt a GOP member and also responsible for the country’s failed management.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Scherer
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    You know good and damm well why Romney and every other conservative wants the Big 3 to go into bankruptcy and thats because in theory it would be the biggest union busting measure in the history of the country. But the truth is the unions worked their azzes off to get the best deals for their workers and thats how it SHOULD be in a society based on capitalism. Why should management and ownership be the only ones to profit when a company is doing well??? Its funny to me how EVERY republican is decrying the UAW but only a select few have anything to say about the compensation of the management of those companies. They say they want to remove the leadership because of past performance but they have made no effort to tie that to curbing their salaries. The UAW has already made concessions in the past to lower their cost to the Big3 and they are transitioning the pensions from company management to union management. Allowing the Big 3 to go into bankruptucy is going to tip us into a Depression but some people don’t care because that will actually help them politically. Just remember this prediction, when it happens the Unions will be blamed and it will be used as a reason to block Card Check in the Congress

  • michaelscherer

    Pourmecoffee, I totally agree with your 3:11 comment.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Bob Woodward says we already got one of those. It’s fer killin’ terrists. But he can’t talk about it, because then we wouldn’t be able to kill as many terrists.”
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    Is that the neural scrambler for crowd control?
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    Again, I’m reminding people that Lieberman cut a quarter million dollar check to the DSCC 2 months ago…hey! you don’t think…..

  • textee

    Hint for Time magazine: The thoroughly unqualified community organizer is a Marxist. Romney isn’t a Marxist. He’s pretty much a capitalist, although he did occasionaly swerve into the socialist camp while he was governor. Consequently, the thoroughly unqualified community organizer will have nothing to do with Romney. Nice wishful thinking, though.

  • Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    bleh. I had a big long post explaining what Romney was really proposing and why it was actually pro-little guy anti-big guy but some internet bug ate it. double bleh.
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    Short version: Chapter 11 isn’t chapter 7. Romney’s plan wipes out every investor while preserving as many jobs as possible. Electricity made whaling less valuable. Automation and globalization have made manufacturing less valuable. Be a Luddite and throw things at the factory or accept it and start looking for new things for people to do.
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    looms put a lot of weavers out of business. They were unhappy about it. The ones who accepted things had changed did better than the ones who spent 10 years whining about it.
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    Also, with a few notable exceptions, a lot of you really, really need to learn something about business before commenting so specifically on it. The anger level could be a bit lower too. Would probably help a lot with clarity of thought.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    MS– if you agree with pourme then how could write the post you did or is this a sudden conversion? If you want me to accept it you have to own up to it first.

  • stuartzechman

    First of all, thanks to Michael Scherer for engaging in commentary.

    Second of all, why don’t we stop and ask a pretty fundamental question:

    “What exactly will this 25 billion dollars be spent on, and when?”

    …until some intrepid reporter answers that question, we might want to hold off on the “Should we or shouldn’t we” debate.

    Am I right…or does nobody have the faintest idea what will be done with this money, and we don’t care?

  • Cliff

    Is that the neural scrambler for crowd control?
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    I don’t know, he didn’t talk about it. But my impression was it had something to do with identifying Terror and killing it.
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    But we’d better stop talking about it, otherwise John McCain will get all up in our grills because we’re not allowed to talk about killing terrorists beyond stating the fact that we’re killing them.

  • toddandincharge

    Before everyone was a credit market analyst. Now we are all auto industry experts. I find it unreal that MS would declare without equivocation the following:
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    “But as it stands, we face a choice: Either the U.S. taxpayers subsidize the employment agreements of the big three which are far beyond what their rivals pay (even in the U.S.) or those agreements change.”

    `
    Pourmecoffee is getting somewhere, and the links provided are useful, but MS needs to get out of the auto industry advice business. I do agree that bankruptcy’s primary attraction to guys like Romney is that it unshackles the obligations of the industry to workers and retirees, and that obviously serves a larger policy and political goal that could not be achieved by tanking Lehman Brothers.

  • michaelscherer

    Stuart, As i understand it, that’s the whole problem. For the $25 billion to be spent properly it has to be spent on change, and there is a significant fear that absent bankruptcy and some forced painful choices, that change won’t happen. By the way, I posted a link to the Yglesias piece, and PourMe’s comment above.

  • Andy from MA

    Stuart good question, as usual.

  • 53_3

    Micheal Scherer still doesn’t get it:
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    The Big 3 are going under primarily because of the credit freeze and the jump in fuel prices.
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    Neither of which were anticipated. I’m not saying they don’t need fixing but there is a limit to just how much we sacrifice.
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    We can structure a bailout to get what the public wants, which is greater efficiency. And that GM worker is right. Why should they be the ones to keep giving and giving.
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    If you are going to ask me for my tax dollars, I’d turn down the CEO’s and say yes to the workers. Bottom line:
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    Does the bailout protect our manufactuing base?
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    Does the bailout provide an effective way of helping the big 3 become better competitors?
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    Does the bailout help keep the big 3 steered towards greater energy independence?
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    Mitt Romneys answers are no, yes, and no.
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    I think there are ways to come up with a ‘yes, yes and yes’ solution, but sadly, MS and the GOP just doesn’t get it.
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    I will never forget that video clip in which a CEO told the 31 year GM worker to “get a life”.
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    That is not how we create opportunities!

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Sean, the examples you cite are replacements of technology. What’s replacing the automobile? Certainly not public transport here in the USA. I don’t foresee automobile demand in general to decline very much long-term.
    Which is not to say that the whole industry isn’t in for a big setback, at least in the USA. They may sell more cars in Asia, but that’s another problem.
    I think Bryan has a point, and it scares me. Suppose we DO bail them out — there’s still the problem of who’s gonna buy their cars?

  • Cliff

    The anger level could be a bit lower too. Would probably help a lot with clarity of thought.
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    Sorry for getting worked up about possibly getting plunged into a Depression. I guess I’ll go sit quietly in a room somewhere.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Automation and globalization have made manufacturing less valuable.

    I’m sure you meant to say that it made Manufacturing labor less valuable. I for one, feel much better relying on an economy that produces tangible goods than one that operates on a shell game of trading in ‘risk’ and ‘information.’

  • michaelscherer

    Dee, you all accused me of saying “it’s all the unions fault” by linking to Romney. I don’t think that is what he is saying, and it’s not what i believe. And I agree with Yglesias that as a rhetorical device in the hands of conservative pundits the union thing is a red herring. But it seems an objective fact that either the pension and benefit problem is dealt with, or the U.S. taxpayer should be prepared for more bailouts of the Big 3 to come.

    It is also notable that Ford’s management has done a much better job with similar union contracts. see here:
    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1860554,00.html

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    @Dee – I think Romney agrees the automakers have been poorly managed. Here’s the disconnect: his going-forward goal is much more about returning these companies to profitability than a broad economic recovery. I firmly believe that the range of issues Romney envisions being “on the table” in a managed bankruptcy of automakers is far narrower than it should be. If we are forced to be socialists, then let’s at least be good ones and incorporate worker, regional, environmental, and broad social considerations into the discussion. Romney wants to go just as far into socialism as it takes to clean up these balance sheets. Not going to happen.

  • sqr1

    It’s good to know that I live in a country where, with the economy in shambles and the auto industry on the verge of collapse, the range of solutions offered by the best and the brightest consists of (a) let ‘em fail or (b) give ‘em $25B, no questions asked.

  • Cliff

    For the $25 billion to be spent properly it has to be spent on change, and there is a significant fear that absent bankruptcy and some forced painful choices, that change won’t happen.
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    Good point, Michael, that is a very valid fear. Especially looking at how the rest of the bailout is going.
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    I guess it would require some sort of oversight, and some way of enforcing accountability.
    Which, as we all know, is utterly beyond America’s capabilities. Regulating industries? Enforcing standards? Who has ever heard of such a thing?

  • 53_3

    This isn’t a Loom/Weaver issue.
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    Not in the least! Vehicles will be made after this, and it is not a case where the weavers are complaining.
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    Sean, textee, etc don’t know what they are talking about. Manufacturing is not something that will be replaced by “something else”. Manufacturing will reamian in existance as long as man has the technology to manipulate matter so we are talking about manufacturing, in wahtever form, to continue to exist long into the future!
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    This is ridiculous.
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    You guys are domber’n rocks. On a windowsill, no less…

  • pintortwo

    Yes Textee, Obama will only deal with fellow Marxists.

  • 53_3

    Joe Bftsplk:
    Terrorist fist bump!

  • 53_3

    I think, MS, that I might venture that the money wasted on excess CEO benefits far outsrips the money promised to workers under their retirement and benefit programs.
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    Of course, that is, unless you’re of a similar mind to Kashkari, who testified a couple of days ago that the $503,000,000 wastage of the $150,000,000,000 coughed up to bankers recently was “…to keep people from quitting…” [quoted from memory]
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    Domber than warm rocks on a windsill!

  • 53_3

    In a bankruptcy, workers walk and CEOs talk.
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    How convenient!

  • Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    Paul Dirks & Joe Bftsplk,
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    Yeah, sorry about that, I meant labor. My original post was much better. Stupid internets tubes.
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    Also, to reinforce MS’s point above in #75, Romney is arguing that the problem with the unions is their relationship with management. its way, way too hostile. Same goes for managements attitudes towards the unions. I dislike Germany as a comparison because they have a radically different set of surrounding circumstances at their European plants. German U.S. plants, you’ll note, do not work the same as German European plants do.
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    quoting from a longer post on my website about unions (www.124monkeys.com)
    “I spent part of last summer in China working on my MBA through a joint program between KU and Tsinghua University. While there we visited a local Delphi plant and had a chance to speak with the executives and tour the facility. One thing I was particularly struck by was the Chinese notion of how a union should work. At this Delphi plant, everyone belonged to the union, from the white-collar plant managers to the blue collar assembly workers. They all worked together to promote the best workers and environment while also ensuring the companies’ growth and profitability. The relationship was significantly non-adversarial. This meant that there wasn’t reflexive opposition to firing anyone for poor performance, nor was there angst over bonuses when a particularly good production week happened.”
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    pourme,
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    If the companies aren’t profitable there’s no point in saving them. They HAVE to be returned to profitability or, like Stuart Z. says, we might as well nationalize them. Though without the prospect of profitability that would just turn them into a soviet-style industrial jobs program. Romney also advocated firing everyone in management and cutting all the perks and bonuses for the new guys.
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    Cliff,
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    Nothing wrong with being angry about things going wrong, but it’s not productive to stay angry when looking at potential solutions. That’s why juries are made up of impartial strangers.

  • 53_3

    I also might point out that my seial postings ain’t just rhetoric.
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    Look at the histories related to bankruptcies. Look at them, starting with the groundbreaker in the practice, Bar S…

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Pourme, MS — I’m glad to hear that we don’t disagree in thinking we need to come up with some sort of hybrid reorganization structure. Obviously health care needs to be dealt with.
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    The reason I take offense to Mitt, is because while he started the universal health in MA as governor, he hasn’t mentioned it as part of the equation in this situation because that does not bode well for the GOP primaries in 2012 — someone should call him on it. And MS I think that should have been part of your post.
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    Also while we look to chapter 11 for the solution to the bad management problem, which I think has an additional set of problems attached to it, its not as if once unburdened by pension obligation that taxpayers will not be on the hook for that as well.
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    The GOP is simply starting the 2012 campaign early. Paulson punts, Limbaugh already calling this the Obama recession, once they put the autos on Obama they will have washed their hands of it and will begin to blame the wrecked economy on Obama. The mantra will be is we told you he was a socialists. MS I just don’t get why no matter how many times they play this game (because they only have one move ever) the msm falls for it.

  • sqr1

    Here’s my solution: If the Auto industry needs $25B cash, then let’s BUY $25B worth of fuel efficient vehicles, VOLTs, etc., deliverable 2-10 years from now. In this way you are providing Detroit with immediate cash, guaranteeing that the money will go to green technologies, and providing the government with a modern, fuel-efficient fleet of vehicles.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Automation and globalization have made manufacturing less valuable.”
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    Brilliant! All we have to do is find a way to keep the economy rolling without producing anything. Maybe we could all just sell each other our houses for big profit? Or, since we don’t produce, lets just create tradeable instruments out of thin air…maybe package up debt and offer it up to the highest bidder on the open market….oh wait!
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    Cliff, Sean DeCoursey got offended and ran away, will likely be the guy wielding the neural scrambler thingy to keep your angry @ss in check while you’re in the soup line.

  • Sean DeCoursey forgot his password

    Just to be clear: I wasn’t referring specifically to Cliff when I made my point about toning down the anger leading to greater thought clarity. I replied to him because he seemed offended by it.
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    Sqr1,
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    That’s actually a really good idea. I like it a lot. It works on a lot of levels.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Here’s my solution: If the Auto industry needs $25B cash, then let’s BUY $25B worth of fuel efficient vehicles, VOLTs, etc., deliverable 2-10 years from now.
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    While I recognize that the federal procurement process is so convuluted outside of a no-bid contract this could never happen — but buy it and they will build it always seems to be the SOP of the defense department.

  • Cliff

    Sean, I’m just saying it’s acceptable to get worked up over this.
    I think a lot of us are seeing, or are afraid of seeing, a continuing disregard for workers, and a continuing inability to address the actual problems of our economy.
    This particular topic touches on issues that are important to a lot of people, so it’s good, IMHO, to see the commenters get riled up.

  • 53_3

    sgr1:
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    I agree that we should have a stake. I’d be willing to put in, I’d like a vehicle that won’t suck my wallet dry and will be consistent with Obama’s aim of greener independence from oil.
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    The point is, globalization and accepting yet more job losses just because it’s azzumed that it has to be a part of becoming leaner and more productive is not the answer.
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    Like I said, and what is relentlessly ignored, is that the auto industry’s disaster is entrained in the financial crisis. One has helped cause the other. The auto industry, in response to a year old spike in fuel prices has responded by producing several hybrids and high efficiency vehicles.
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    I might remind the GOPers sharply that ten months ago, their solution to everything was ‘shop, shop, shop’ and ‘who cares? It’s the market, stoopid’, and other sundry attitutudes that helped the big 3 make the decisions they made about whether to produce lots of Titans and other gas guzzlers rather than going for the efficiency market.
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    Don’t forget MS, your mantra, along with texte and sean was “grow grow grow” and to hell with the dependencies!

  • 53_3

    Sean, I am urinated!
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    And it is because the GOP put into place those policies and attitudes that led to this!
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    MS and the GOP hasn’t a cloo on this and I ain’t going to be nicey nicey about it!

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Sean – Of course I understand that a return to profitability is ultimately necessary, just as you understand my point that Romney views the issues on the table in a managed bankruptcy of automakers more narrowly than others do. That’s the battleground for a fair fight, one which will be fought once these CEO’s fly home in their jets.

  • dbindenver

    Don’t you people have jobs?
    Structured bankruptcy is the way to go on the Big Three. We didn’t bail out the airlines and they managed. Unions – having LONG outlived their purpose on this earth are greatly to blame as is greedy, bloated management.
    The truth hurts but I’m glad Mitt had the guts to TELL IT!
    Now, pardon me while I get back to WORK so I can afford to pay my TAXES next year.

  • 53_3

    dbindenver:
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    “Now, pardon me while I get back to WORK so I can afford to pay my TAXES next year.”
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    Careful there with that superiority. Might bang your head on the ceiling, attracting the attention of your boss.
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    I’m at work. I’m in my office at home, and have two deadlines to meat, and they will be met.
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    I can post when I damm well pleaze, vogon…

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “Now, pardon me while I get back to WORK so I can afford to pay my TAXES next year.”
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    By all means….your Dad’s lawn isn’t gonna mow itself young man!

  • 53_3

    BTW, MS, Sean, et all (warm rocks on a windowsill):
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    The Gods of The Market Are Speaking To You.
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    Pay attention. The Dow-O-Meter is now below 8,000 for some silly reason…

  • 53_3

    MS:
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    I’d whip out another pair of those gaily painted toilet rolls you’re observing the planet with.
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    The one’s you’ve got are wet…

  • sgwhiteinfla
  • Dee in Columbia MD

    dbindenver Says: Don’t you people have jobs?

    Either you’re an idiot and are simply parroting the statements of others that you don’t really understand or you lack the mental acuity to assessing this situation correctly.
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    As a frequent business traveler I can assure you that the airlines are not doing so well.
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    You hate unions but they are workers do you hate them to – oh must you support cutting thier wages, stripping their health care and canceling their pensions.
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    And I am work its called multi-tasking (I do it well).

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    sgwhiteinfla, been chasing you around w/ this link….didja know?
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    http://firedoglake.com/2008/08/28/lieberman-to-reid-will-250-million-be-enough-video/

  • Friar Tuck

    From the Department of the Blindingly Obvious But Frequently Forgotten:
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    Don’t have a job? Can’t buy a car.
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    Have a job you’re pretty sure you’re going to lose? Won’t buy a car.
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    Fewer cars bought = smaller car industry.
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    Folks, this ain’t politics. It’s ARITHMETIC.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    cinci
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    LOL I LOVE it. I wonder how others will try to spin this now. “Obama was all about fundraising wasn’t he?” lol

  • Cliff

    We didn’t bail out the airlines and they managed.
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    What? I thought the airlines were eating sh!t right now. I thought I remember hearing that the airline industry has always been propped up by the government, that it’s never been independently profitable.
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    I’m also pretty sure airline employees have been getting raked over the coals for years to keep the airlines afloat.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    sgwhiteinfla, I’m over it I guess…nothing to be done. However, there are no more excuses left. I’m w/ Obama, but if 18 months from now significant legislation hasn’t passed I’m off the bandwagon. And I’ll be pissed if we bailout the auto industry w/o taking significant control over the hiring/firing of CEOs and power to dismiss the board. Nationalize it temporarily, use it as the infrastructure for Manhattan Project 2.

  • bryanfromhouston

    What Friartuck says, but with an I feel your pain empathy.
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    Have you guys ever seen a supply-demand curve? Seriously, it isn’t rocket science, and I know those little lines represent people’s lives, dreams, and hopes…but at some point reality must be acknowledged. This is the problem with the current occupant of the White House not being an adult. Rome burns and he plays Xbox all afternoon.
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    Just to repeat. I feel your pain, but there is a reality here that we must face. Sadly, there is nothing that will stop this trajectory. Just like a plane that stalls on take-off…pull out your parachute and jump away from the plane. It can’t be recovered! The fact is that Toyota, Honda, Nissan, and Mazda are all reducing or shutting down production lines. See here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/162933 Certainly, this is no fun. People will lose jobs, homes, etc…but it will not change the reality that I can’t afford a new car at the moment at any price, nor are there enough buyers to provide the demand to keep those folks employed. Just bailing out auto companies to pay workers to produce cars that nobody is able to afford or can get credit to buy is foolish. What we are facing right now is deleveraging. It is what happens when Wall Street, the Big 3, and the housing industry gets drunk and no one takes away the punch bowl. We have way too much capacity for production, entirely too much supply and not nearly enough demand unless we begin exporting to India and China at prices that they can afford.
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    The supply / demand curve in the present economy is out of whack, and there is no easy or non-painful way to put it back in balance. God knows, I wish there was, but it is time to pay the Piper. We can’t keep robbing Peter to pay Paul.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “In a nation that was proud of hard work, strong families, close-knit communities, and our faith in God, too many of us now tend to worship self-indulgence and consumption. Human identity is no longer defined by what one does, but by what one owns. But we’ve discovered that owning things and consuming things does not satisfy our longing for meaning.
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    I’m asking you for your good and for your nation’s security to take no unnecessary trips, to use carpools or public transportation whenever you can, to park your car one extra day per week, to obey the speed limit, and to set your thermostats to save fuel… I have seen the strength of America in the inexhaustible resources of our people. In the days to come, let us renew that strength in the struggle for an energy-secure nation.”
    -Jimmy Carter, ‘Malaise’ speech, July 15, 1979

  • Cliff

    Bryan, I get what you’re saying and I agree – the time is coming when everyone is going to have to eat sh!t.
    .
    I don’t think we should just hand over a check for $25 billion and tell them to go nuts. Trying to prop up the auto industry as-is is insane.
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    I’m saying bail them out, but force them to work on shifting us into a green economy. Get their nuts in a vice and tell them we want 100 mile per gallon cars on the cheap, and when they say it can’t be done give the vice another quarter turn.
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    Letting the Big 3 implode and waiting for someone to replace them might get the same thing accomplished, but my understanding is that that way risks the entire economy collapsing.

  • Friar Tuck

    The problem is, I don’t get the feeling that automakers (or most politicians) understand even now that demand is really shrinking – heck, past tense, has already shrunk – and isn’t coming back for a while. Making purchases “affordable” and “attractive” (or “responsible” or “patriotic”) is about MARKETING – the actual problem is a lack of potential buyers. I may WANT a car like all get-out, but if I’m broke, I’m not a potential buyer.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    de·fla·tion
    a contraction in the volume of available money or credit that results in a general decline in prices
    .
    “U.S. consumer prices plunged 1 percent last month, the most since records began in 1947, while housing starts tumbled to an annual rate of 791,000, a record low. The onset of deflation can be devastating for an economy as consumers and businesses delay spending to benefit from lower prices.”
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601110&sid=anl4zqffjcBI

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