Codename POTUS

Joel Stein is looking for a name for his unborn baby. My suggestion: Go ask the Secret Service, by way of the White House Communications Agency. Is there any organization, let alone a government bureaucracy, better at naming?

Current company excluded, that is. A few days back, we got word of the Obama family’s Secret Service code names: Barack is Renegade; Michelle is Renaissance; Malia is Radiance; Sasha is Rosebud. The only name that really impresses me here is Rosebud, owing to Sasha’s obvious charm and the Orson Welles allusion. The others strike me as pretty lame. Obama is a lot of things, but “renegade” is not an adjective that comes to mind, even ironically. Renaissance is too much like baroque. And Radiance is a bit Hallmark Card schmaltzy.

But the recent failures of imagination do little to dim America’s long tradition of fine code names, which have been collected here by the collective wisdom of Wikipedia. My top ten favorites, in no particular order:

Evergreen (Hillary Clinton); Trapline (Neil Bush); Pinafore (Betty Ford); Searchlight (Richard Nixon); Snowbank (Barbara Bush); Scorecard (Dan Quayle); Angler (Dick Cheney); Sunburn (Ted Kennedy, as a candidate); Tumbler (George W. Bush); Lancer (John F. Kennedy)

UPDATE: Karen reminds me that the code names are not always a hit. During his presidential campaign, Jesse Jackson was given the code name Pontiac, which as the AP notes “is the set-up for a well-known racist joke.” (Jackson said publically that he did not take offense.) AP also points to an odd irony to Obama’s new code name. “According to the Online Etymology Dictionary, Renegade’s earliest meanings had to do with deserting one’s religion, coming from the Spanish word ‘renegado,’ originally ‘Christian turned Muslim.’” Oof.

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  • Paul-no not that one

    Tumbler (George W. Bush)
    .
    Okay that is funny on at least two levels.

  • queencersei

    It really has been a slow news week hasn’t it? Yawn. Won’t it be exciting to be able to report on an actual news story again at some point?

  • davemc321

    Lancer=JFK. Folks at the Secret Service has a sense of humor.

  • davemc321

    Oops. The Secret Service has but the folks there have.

  • phaedrus10

    Didn’t the SS originally codename GW Bush “Einstein” until they were ordered to change it? Am I imagining that? Because I’m sure I remember that being a newsstory even though I can’t find a reference to it now. Anyone?

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    How about Wolverine Stein? It has a ring to it…. Of course, he could always go with Hussein Stein. Nothing like being fashionable *s*. If you want to be bipartisan: McCain Hussein Stein.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It’s certainly reassuring to know that guarding the POTUS is only a part time job. That helps explain all that extra hours….

  • toddandincharge

    “Rosebud” is charming only if you DON’T know the source of the allusion.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The Secret Service does not choose these names, however. The White House Communications Agency assigns these names.

    This helps explain why the Nixon era ones strike me as particularly insane.

    Henry Kissinger – Woodcutter
    John Ehrlichman – Wisdom
    H. R. Haldeman – Welcome

  • stuartzechman

    Jesus Christ this post is inane.

  • JJ

    Evergreen (Hillary Clinton)

    Clever.

  • queencersei

    I may be wrong here, but wasn’t Rosebud always a reference to a certain part of the female anatomy? If I am right, that seems a wildly innapropriate nickname for a small child.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Barack Obama…
    .
    Backed out of public financing which historically had helped Dems a lot more than Repubs
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    Didn’t pick HRC as VP candidate even though he was told it would lose him the white women vote
    .
    Refused to sling mud in kind even when everyone urged him to
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    Did not accept money from pacs or special interest groups which was unheard of in a general election
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    Used a 50 state strategy that every body derided Howard Dean for and said wouldn’t work
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    Went on a whirlwind European/Middle Eastern world tour in the middle of his campaign even though many people thought it would come off as elitest and play into his celebrity meme
    .
    Didnt use “walk around money” in Pennsylvania to get votes when people thought that was how you had to do business to win there
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    Committed to meeting our enemies without pre conditions knowing fully well that he would be attacked by both Dems and Repubs as naive for doing so.
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    Structured perhaps the greatest get out the vote effort in the history of the Democratic party in states that Dems havent been competitive in for generations
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    Hitched his hopes for election in large part on the votes of young people, a group notorious for not voting in this country
    .

    Yeah that Obama guy could NEVER be considered a Renegade!

  • http://ktheintz.wordpress.com/ kth

    OT, but a Time story that actually cries out for a thread of its own:

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1858991,00.html

    Short version: the show trial of former AL Governor Don Siegelman was even more rotten than had previously been supposed (including jury tampering).

  • http://ktheintz.wordpress.com/ kth

    #12: ‘Rosebud’ isn’t generally accepted slang for anything. There was a rumor to the effect that ‘rosebud’ as a pet name of sorts was part of the pillow talk of William Randolph Hearst and Marion Davies. But that rumor has one source and one source only: Gore Vidal’s obit of Orson Welles in the NY Review of Books, and he neither substantiates nor attributes it.

  • Cliff

    Maybe that’s part of the problem: Our awesomeness value matrices are precisely opposed..
    .
    Renegade, Renaissance, and Radiance are awesome code names.
    “Angler” for Dick Cheney? That’s lame.
    “Trapline” for Neil Bush? That would be okay except now it sounds like Palin is his mother.
    Tumbler is also lame.

  • Friar Tuck

    I think we should all have code names. I’ll take “Spackle.”

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Friar
    .
    I have always been partial to “jaberwocky”

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  • toddandincharge

    kth, Vidal was a close friend of Hearst and I’ll take him at his word, but that’s a debate for another day.
    `
    Either way it’s widely alleged to be the source of the reference, whether true ultimately or not. That in my view makes it a crappy nickname for a young girl.

  • palininatowel

    This is a no-brainer (or a big-brainer): Ein

  • Joe Bftsplk

    “Joe Bftsplk” IS a code name:
    http://www.lil-abner.com/other.html
    .
    Actually, I’ve never felt a kinship with the character — I’ve just always liked the challenge of pronouncing the name.

  • palininatowel

    Joetheplumber

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Just to make the whole rosebud conversation a little murkier
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    According to Welles author David Thomson, “Rosebud is the greatest secret in cinema…” [8]:801 [9]
    .

    Orson Welles, explaining the idea behind the word “Rosebud,” said, “It’s a gimmick, really, and rather dollar-book Freud.”[10] The symbolic sled ‘Rosebud’ used in the film was bought for $60,500 by film director Steven Spielberg in 1982. Spielberg commented, “Rosebud will go over my typewriter to remind me that quality in movies comes first.”[11][12] According to Peter Bogdanovich, Welles’ reaction to Spielberg’s purchase of the sled was “I thought we burned it…”
    .

    According to Louis Pizzitola, author of Hearst Over Hollywood, “Rosebud” was a nickname that Orrin Peck, a friend of William Randolph Hearst, gave to his mother, Phoebe Hearst.[13] It was said that Phoebe was as close, or even closer, to Orrin than she was to her own son, lending a bitter-sweet element to the word’s use in a film about a boy being separated from his mother’s love.
    .

    In 1989, essayist Gore Vidal cited contemporary rumors that “Rosebud” was a nickname Hearst used for his mistress Marion Davies; a reference to her clitoris,[14][15] a claim repeated as fact in the 1996 documentary The Battle Over Citizen Kane and again in the 1999 dramatic film RKO 281. A resultant joke noted, with heavy innuendo, that Hearst and/or Kane died “with ‘Rosebud’ on his lips.”[1]

  • Paul-no not that one

    Eeyore.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Personally I think the Pizzitola explanation makes more sense but I honestly dont have a dog in this fight

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Scherer: Codename Dingleberry

  • http://whatnot.bombdotcom.net/ John D. Moore

    Thanks for keeping up with the posting, Mr. Scherer.

    Gotta say, I love the name “Renaissance” for Michelle. And I don’t think it’s only because I’m in love with all things Mrs. Obama right now.

  • davemc321

    Just call me Ishmael.

  • Cliff

    I say “Fruit Loops” for AMC.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Sunburn
    .
    Um, that ruddiness had a different source.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    And, ya know, there’s a Strangelove quality to this. Why assign codenames if you’re going TELL EVERYBODY what they are?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    preview. Please, give us preview. We miss our friend.
    .
    “gonna” or “going to”

  • sgwhiteinfla

    CookiePus
    .
    Good one. I think we can get a game going here. Codenames for Scherer. With explanations where needed.
    .
    Scherer = sockpuppet

  • sgwhiteinfla

    CookiePus
    .
    Good one. I think we can get a game going here. Codenames for Scherer. With explanations where needed.
    .
    Scherer = sockpuppet

  • michaelscherer

    Jay, the codenames are no longer used for security, so they don’t need to be secret. This is from the AP:

    Truth be told, the whole idea of secret code names is something of a misnomer these days.”There’s nothing top secret about them,” Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren said. “It has no operational security significance anymore because of encrypted communication capabilities.” Nowadays, Zahren said, the code names have “nothing to do with security” and more about tradition and ease in radio communication when tracking the subjects’ movements.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Proof Evan Bayh didn’t know what the hell he was talking about last night on Rachel’s show.
    .
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/bayhs-defense-of-lieberma_n_143863.html

  • incandenzah

    Scherer’s codenames, submitted for approval:

    1. “BJ” (re. all the fluffing he did for McCain throughout the election)
    2. McFlack” (because he always appeared to be tacitly angling for a PR position in the a McCain admin)
    3. “Catapult” (as in right-wing press releases and other propaganda)

  • sgwhiteinfla

    you know just for sh!ts and giggles I went to the AP article referenced in the update and then went to the Online Etymology Dictionary. I then put renegade into the search engine and true enough the Christian to Muslim explanation came up, but for some reason accompanying it was a quote about the word “neo-conservative” I thought that curious but I am not real big on conspiracies so I decided to do a little checking. Turns out the site is pretty much like wikipedia where folks can change content. And try as I might I wasn’t able to find even one other online source for etymology that would support the claim that the word originally meant going from Christian to Muslim. I would hate to say that the AP person who penned this article was up to shenanigans but then again this is a pretty fishy aside to put at the end of a pretty innocuous story about code names.
    .
    By the way as a black man I am not quite up on all the racial humor. Can someone explain the joke that has the word “Pontiac” in it that I am supposed to be offended by?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I love the way random things you encounter on the internet can inspire you to look up and learn other things. yesterday it was Zero Income tax liability. Today it’s the etymology of “renegade”
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    The Renegado, or The Gentleman of Venice[1] is a late Jacobean stage play, a tragicomedy written by Philip Massinger and first published in 1630. The play has attracted critical attention for its treatment of cultural conflict between Christian Europe and Muslim North Africa.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Renegado

    It would appear that the specifically Muslim connection is related to this play. The Latin root of the word means “to deny.”

    I

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Pontiac is a set-up for a well-known racist joke?!?
    -
    I’ll tell you, that’s the problem with my generation; we don’t even know the racist jokes and stereotypes. We’re abandoning our heritage and tradition.

  • rose83

    I don’t mean to suggest the whole cute code names topic is unimportant, but Krugman’s column today is great: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/opinion/14krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Key concept: For we’re now in a situation where it would be very dangerous to give in to conventional notions of prudence.
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  • Paul-no not that one

    Elvis and sg, I’m not going to print the joke but if you Google Pontiac+racist joke it’s the first entry.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Elvis
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    Thats what im saying! I mean I know a few about a black man and a cadillac but a pontiac? Hells no

  • sgwhiteinfla

    PNNTO
    .
    Thanks for the google tip. I have to say that joke was pretty lame and I give credit when its due. And I can honestly say I took a straw poll and none of my friends had heard of it either. What does it say that its supposedly “well known” but we had to google it to find out the joke?

  • nibblybits

    What? No one’s mentioned yet that John McCain apparently has the same opinion about Jay Carney and Mikey Scherer that the rest of us have. He wasn’t joking when he called them “jerks”.
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    http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/1108/Davis_McCain_thought_Time_guys_were_jerks.html#comments
    .
    Making friends and influencing people.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Democratic Senator Pat Leahy comes out in favor of stripping Lieberman of his chairmanship. Says some of his attacks went “way beyond the pale”
    .
    http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/leahy_calls_on_lieberman_to_be.php

  • sgwhiteinfla

    nibblybits
    .
    The Time person they were talking about wasnt Carney or Scherer unfortunately. And in truth the guy who did the interview did come off a little arseholeish. But I am sure that Carney and Scherer still have access to the tire swing and bbq sauce whenever they like!

  • nibblybits

    sgwhite: Calderone makes it sound like Rick Davis namechecked them. It’s still a funny post since those two apparently come off as douchey in real life. LOL

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Utterly fascinating.

    While it’s unfair to say that Renegado originally “meant” Christian turned Muslim, it became it’s most common usage in English by 1583.

    http://books.google.co.vi/books?id=2YcouJuKiC0C&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=Christian+turned+Muslim+renegado&source=web&ots=jrBsxwXmSD&sig=DDeQZRmZAGvd1unB3jRYJfT3iYc&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=5&ct=result#PPA22,M1

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Pretty funny. Only one place on the web has “renegade” from “renegado” meaning “Christian turned Muslim.” No other place has that connection besides Online Etymology Dictionary. Do a Spanish-English translation – no connection. Go to dictionary and/or thesaurus, no connection whatsoever.
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    And no one has every heard of the Pontiac joke, yet Scherer and AP claims that it’s a well-known joke.
    .
    Michael, it seems as though you and Associated Press have gone to great pains to cast this in the MOST unflattering, even inflammatory, light possible. Now, if this had been Karen, for example, I would consider it an innocent mistake quoting AP, whose Fournierism would suggest they dug this out on purpose, perhaps even being led to the suspicious Online Etymology Dictionary entry by one of their rightwing-pasting hacks. But I would also expect that she would post an immediate update.
    .
    You, however, I can assume rushed this into a blog posting with a considerable amount of glee. “Take THAT! you Obama-loving nasty commenters!” you would say. “Fwap!”
    .
    How about posting an update to your update, to show good faith?
    .

  • Paul-no not that one

    Schummer, Leahy, Durbin, (maybe) Ried have come out for stripping Lieberman. Dem caucus take the hint.
    I’m looking at you Amy Klobuchar.

  • theborgenproject

    “The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
    $30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
    $540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget.”

  • nibblybits

    sgwhite: Actually, it sounds like the interview *was* conducted by Scherer and Carney. McCain loved those guys!

  • Andy from MA

    Here’s a code name for Time = Anachronism

  • Paul-no not that one

    James, LA I note that Conservapedia agrees with MS’s definition. Ha!

  • James, Los Angeles

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    PNNTO,
    Thanks. That’s generally not the first place I look for facts. Glad to know you’re on it, so I don’t have to.
    .
    So it appears that the Fournierists at Associated Press consult Conservapedia as a source. Interesting. Explains a lot.
    .

  • sgwhiteinfla

    PNNTO
    .
    LOL are you surprised?

  • motherfnteresa

    ” its supposedly “well known” but we had to google it to find out the joke? ”

    Maybe its an age thing, but I’ve heard it a few times, along with
    Ford = Found on road dead, Fix or repair daily, first on race day.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Lotta difference between Fix Or Repair Daily and the Pontiac “joke.” Southern origins, maybe?
    .

  • Andy from MA

    And the

    AMC=Narcissist
    KT=Pulitzer
    JC=Messiah
    MS=handmaiden
    MM=scapegoat
    JNS=nelliebly
    JK=mensch
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  • Paul-no not that one

    I just wanted to point out that MS has, uh, support.
    .
    I was scratching my head trying to remember what those dopey republicans set up. I tried conservative dictionary, nope. And then I recalled that they were angy at Wikipedia and Wa-la there it was.

  • ivb3016

    From the Compact Oxford English Dictionary –
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    renegade:
    • noun a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles.
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    • adjective having treacherously changed allegiance.
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    — ORIGIN Spanish renegado, from Latin renegare ‘renounce’.
    .
    On the other hand, I like Renaissance for Michele. I’m sorry you were apparently unhappy in an art history survey course Michael – the “too much like baroque” (which is isn’t at all) but the meaning of Renaissance is re-birth or renewal.

  • sgwhiteinfla
  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but I feel compelled to repeat. The use of the word ‘renegado’ to describe a Muslim convert is NOT a recently contrived Conservative myth.

    http://books.google.co.vi/books?id=sLd170QJrUUC&dq=renegado

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    As to “He didn’t want to do that interview, he thought they were being jerks,” that’s weird. They were only asking him softball questions. I mean, “Senator, can you free-associate about the word ‘honor’?” I wonder if he meant some behind the scenes stuff that happened before the questions, because McCain really, really wanted to contradict them no matter how friendly they tried to be.
    -
    Thanks for the Google tip, PNNTO. That doesn’t quite qualify as a joke. I can’t imagine anyone ever saying that. We demand funnier humor than our forefathers, I guess.

  • ivb3016

    Sigh. I miss you, old friend preview, as well.

  • Paul-no not that one

    The book, called “Joe the Plumber — Fighting for the American Dream,” is to be released by a group called PearlGate Publishing
    .

    Regency got out-bid?

  • davemc321

    I have lived in Texas all my life (save for five years exile in Oklahoma) and I’ve never heard the Pontiac racist joke. And Lord knows I’ve heard most of them.

    So, what’s the point of MS bringing it up? Humor? A shot at Jesse Jackson? Showing off?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Elvis, McCain being a jerk isn’t the part I found interesting. It was MS getting abused and in response turning his fawning up to 11. Which is one more fawn than 10.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Paul Dirks
    .
    I looked at your post but didnt think it mean Christians to Muslim. I went googled Renegadoes and it refers to some kind of pirates. Im just saying

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Jay, the codenames are no longer used for security, so they don’t need to be secret.
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    Obviously. So why not go with “Barack” and “Michelle”? Or “POTUS Elect” and “New First Lady.”
    .
    All it’s really about is the code names make them feel like real double nought spies.
    .
    I wish more people were like Bloomberg’s girlfriend, who when asked about Rudy’s Judi and security said “Why do I need security in the safest city in the world>” on her way to the subway station.
    .
    Really. Obama can still go to the barbershop.

  • Andy from MA

    I’m pretty old and I never heard of the Pontiac joke, but then I never knew the punchline about the difference between a river that runs uphill and a catholic either.

  • davemc321

    I’ll read Joe the Plumber’s book right after I read Atlas Shrugged.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    McCain being a jerk isn’t the part I found interesting. It was MS getting abused and in response turning his fawning up to 11. Which is one more fawn than 10.

    Carney, on the other hand, actually did take a step back and reevaluate his relationship with the “Maverick”

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    My takeaway from Krugman this morning, Rose, was “Prudence is folly.”
    .
    FDR’s kitchen sink approach is the only one that makes any sense when you are in a liquidity trap.

  • Andy from MA

    Paul Dirks I say the difference between Carney and Scherer’s reaction was self awareness and life experience.

  • davemc321

    Maybe McCain through MS was a jerk because he told the well-known Pontiac joke.

  • palininatowel

    A “Joe the Plumber” book? I love America!

  • ivb3016

    This is from the Oxford English Dictionary, which is the basic resource on etymology. First meaning is … and uses follow with citation date.
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    1. An apostate from any form of religious faith, esp. a Christian who becomes a Muslim.
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    1583 Leg. Bp. St. Androis 10 Ane fals, forloppen, fenyeit freir, Ane rannugard [v.r. rannigard] for greed of geir. 1598 R. BARCKLEY Felic. Man (1631) 232 The renegades in place of defending the king joyned with them [the Turks] in the spoyle. 1611 FLORIO, Rinegato,..a renegade, a foresworne man, or one that hath renounced his religion or country. 1645 E. PAGITT Heresiogr. (1662) Ep. Ded., Some of the watch~men ought to have been watched themselvs, who..in conclusion run over and turned renegads. 1712 BLACKMORE Creation Pref. (ed. 2) 20 Renegades and Deserters of Heaven, who renounce their God for the Favour of Men. 1814 SOUTHEY Roderick VIII, How best they might evade The Moor, and renegade’s more watchful eye. 1873 SMILES Huguenots Fr. I. vii. (1881) 147 Like all renegades, he was a bitter and furious persecutor.
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    Second meaning and citations…
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    2. One who deserts a party, person, or principle, in favour of another; a turn-coat.
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    1665 MANLEY Grotius’ Low C. Warres 127 Not a few English turning Renegades, and being contemned by the Spaniard. 1751 Affect. Narr. of Wager 31 For if these Renegades had formed such a Conspiracy, what hindered their accomplishing it? 1817 MOORE Lalla R., Veiled Prophet 690 Must he..be driven A renegade like me from Love and Heaven? 1849 MACAULAY Hist. Eng. iv. I. 451 The renegade soon found a patron in the obdurate and revengeful James. 1872 C. GIBBON For the King ii, The past makes me seem in my own eyes, and in the eyes of others a renegade.
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    Don’t think any are complementary. And earliest found use is 1583 in first meaning.

  • Cliff

    I’d actually heard the Pontiac joke before, from my grandfather.
    .
    It’s interesting, because now I only ever see Navajo driving Pontiacs. I’m not sure why that is.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Thanks, ivb. You’ve saved me a strained pec and squinky eyes.
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    I saw an ad for the real OED (not the BOTMC microscopic version I got at the Strand) for 850 bucks. Getting cheaper.
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    Auden’s edition was supposed dedraggled and dogeared from overuse. At least according to Edward Mendelson, his archivist.
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    Took a large lecture class from Mendelson. He yelled at people for reading newspapers during class. Last day some wit distributed papers for everybody, which we opened when he started the lecture. He also wrote for PCMagazine, and was pretty active in their online forum.
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    (You didn’t need to know any of that, but there it is.)

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    It’s interesting, because now I only ever see Navajo driving Pontiacs. I’m not sure why that is.
    ,
    In my favorite sports book of my youth, Instant Replay, Jerry Kramer said that people from Green Bay tell Belgian jokes.
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    Growing up in Maine, French Canadians were the butts of jokes. Much to Ed Muskie’s eventual dismay. (It’s interesting that back then it was better to be named after a fish than be Polish. Another sign of America getting to be a better, more diverse and accepting place is so much less name changing goes on. Gary Hartpence is a lot more innocuous than Barrack Hussein Obama.)
    .
    And, still, one of my favorite Marshall Dodge bits is the Moose Hollerr. And the Bugs Bunny nemesis Black Jacques Shellack.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Navajo driving Pontiacs
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    I suppose that’s like seeing gazelles driving Impalas.

  • JJ

    one of my favorite Marshall Dodge bits is the Moose Hollerr

    One of my friends growing up was like a third cousin of his (and had the accent too). I went to grade school up the street from Artemus Ward’s birthplace

  • ivb3016

    Found that info about Auden very interesting. And the Mendelson story fun. They were different days.

  • JJ

    But still… I’m not all that funny. That may be due to the Massachusetts side of the family, still considered by the locals as “year round summer people.”
    .
    Computer Terms for Aroostook County (Northern Maine)
    .
    1. Log on – Make the wood stove hotter
    .
    2. Log off – Don’t add no more wood
    .
    3. Monitor – Keep an eye on that wood stove
    .
    4. Download – Getting the firewood off the truck
    .
    5. Floppy disk – What you get from downloading too much firewood
    .
    6. Ram – The thing that splits the firewood
    .
    7. Hard Drive – Getting home in the winter
    .
    8. Prompt – What the US mail ain’t in the winter
    .
    9. Window – What to shut when its cold outside
    .
    10. Screen – What to shut in black fly season
    .
    11. Byte – What the black flies do
    .
    12. Bit – What the black flies did
    .
    13. Mega Byte – What the BIG black flies do during trout season
    .
    14. Chip – Munchies for TV
    .
    15. Micro Chip – What’s left in the bag after you eat chips
    .
    16. Modem – What you did to the weeds growing in the driveway
    .
    17. Dot matrix – Old Dan Matrix’s wife
    .
    18. Lap top – Where the beer spills when you nod off
    .
    19. Software – The dumb plastic knives and forks at McDonalds
    .
    20. Hardware – Real stainless steel cutlery
    .
    21. Mouse – What makes the holes in the Cheerio box
    .
    22. Main frame – What holds the house up, hopefully
    .
    23. Enter – The only way to win those magazine sweepstakes
    .
    24. Web – What a spider makes
    .
    25. Web site – High corners of the ceiling
    .
    26. Cursor – Someone who swears
    .
    27. Search Engine – What you do when the car dies
    .
    28. Screen Saver – duct tape for the torn window screen at camp

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    ‘Roostook County is a more accurate spelling…

  • 53_3

    MS is on a tear, I guess.
    .
    Too bad it’s not about anything of substance, like making some noise about ridding the GOP of hate motivated rhetoric and ideas.
    .
    Tsk, tsk, tsk…

  • sgwhiteinfla

    HuffPo is now saying Obama offered HRC the Sec State post and she asked for time to consider. Nothing on the record though

  • motherfnteresa

    “Lotta difference between Fix Or Repair Daily and the Pontiac “joke.” Southern origins, maybe?”

    Not exactly sure, but always heard them together, race/car fans?

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    She is worried about sniper fire. Rimshot.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    “McCain being a jerk isn’t the part I found interesting. It was MS getting abused and in response turning his fawning up to 11. Which is one more fawn than 10.”
    .
    And here’s the proof, Scherer’s sniveling interview w/ Salter:
    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1856960,00.html
    (click on video link on left column)
    .
    My code name for Time magazine: Obsolete
    .
    My code name for Michael Scherer: Incorrigible Moron(okay, it’s actually Josh Marshall’s but it’s spot on)
    .
    Obama bypassing the media to go directly to the public:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/obamas-transparent-presid_n_143805.html
    .
    The reasons to continue reading and listening to our establishment media continue to dwindle. Like the auto industry, these people just don’t understand that things have changed and seem determined to hasten their own extinction:
    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/244475.php

  • sgwhiteinfla
  • viciousmaniac

    For those of you curious as to what relic boomer-era race-baiting joke could possibly link African-Americans to Pontiacs, click on the link below, hit CTRL + F and enter Pontiac to jump straight to the “joke” (and marvel at how quaintly dated it is).
    .
    http://www.resist.com/jokes.htm
    .
    On-topic: Considering the sheer amount of establishment Barack had to defeat to get to his position, he certainly is “renegade”.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    @sgw – Again here, the proper response from Kashkari would have been to leap across the table only to be held back by a Treasury posse member. I sincerely hope when Cummings goes out to his car in the garage tonight Kashkari is waiting with nunchuks.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    pourme
    .
    Here is the full exchange. By the way I think Cummings would whup Kashkari’s arse. Whatcha got on it in imaginary internet bucks?
    .

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    @sgw – Definitely Kashkari flame-out. Cummings all the way. My boys make me watch and laugh at this video about once a week, and that’s what I think it would be like.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I should say – NOT FOR SQUEAMISH.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    pourme
    .
    Too late
    .
    The meathook in the eye on an electric pulley was just wrong!
    .
    Excuse me while I watch again

  • rose83

    She is worried about sniper fire. Rimshot.

    LOL. I was talking to my mom about this, and she said it’s all starting to look like that SNL sketch where Obama called HRC for help from the Oval Office, totally out of his depth on everything. He ran on foreign policy! I just don’t get it, and I’m a huge fan of hers…

  • Andy from MA

    A classic Muskie story:

    A Texan farmer visits Maine and agrees to drive around the farm with a local Mainer. The Texan brags that “you drive all day long and never get to the end of my farm.” The Mainer responds, “Ayuh, I had a car like that once, but traded it in for one that runs.”

  • Paul-no not that one

    Nice Muskie story, Andy.
    .
    If McCain were really funny he would have trotted out his predecessor’s line on Leno.
    .
    Mo Udall after coming in second “The people have spoken, the b@stards.”

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Gotta love the Republican Governers and who they gave Sarah Palin the one finger salute lol
    .
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/14/palin-rga-leadership/

  • Paul-no not that one

    Vermont has a republican Governor?

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I forgot about the meathook ending, which is what prompted the warning. Teenage boys are indelicate.

  • ivb3016

    There was another aspect to the sniper fire, but I covered that during the primary and have no interest in saying anything more now.
    .
    That said, I certainly would prefer HRC to Richardson or Kerry.
    .
    And, speaking of McCain on Leno, when is he going to retire that slept like a baby story?

  • JJ

    Vermont has a republican Governor?

    When Howard Dean was governor, a friend of mine in Vermont told me that people there would say they had “a right wing Democratic governor in a left wing Republican state.” (Dean was a fiscal conservative.)

    Of course, when you say Republican in New England, until recently you had Lincoln Chafee. And you still have Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins who may come in handy with upcoming cloture votes…

  • JJ
  • JJ

    Margaret Chase Smith was a New England Republican.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    ivb
    .
    The only thing about that is if HRC gets Sec of State over Richardson thats going to seem REALLY phucked up considering Richardson endorsed Obama even though Bill Clinton had given him a job back in the 90s and Richardson risked all kinds of backlash had HRC won the nomination. Remember the whole “judas” charge by Carville? So it would have to sting if he went through all that for Obama and then lost out to HRC in the job he seems to be lobbying for. Im not saying thats a good enough reason for Obama not to give her the job. But I AM saying its gonna look bad

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    “What’s this, Mahitabel?”
    .
    “It’s a sassage. How do you like it?”
    .
    “Pretty good. But ain’t much to it afta you clean it.”
    .
    —————
    Virgil was in charge of the hot air balloon event at the Fryeburg fair. But it got loose, and he went adriftin’ off. After a while, he came to a farm, saw a farmer and said
    .
    “Where am I?”
    .
    “You’re in a balloon you d@mnfool.”
    .
    —————-
    “Al. I heard you had to shoot your dog.”
    .
    “Ayuh”
    .
    “Was he mad?”
    .
    “Guess he weren’t so godd@mned pleased about it.”
    ————
    And the classic, “Which way to Millinocket.”
    .
    Outastater in a red sports car pulls up to a general store.
    .
    “Which way to Millinocket?” he says.
    .
    One of the guys on the general store porch:
    .
    “Well, you could keep on goin’ straight theah for three-four miles until you come to the crossroad…..No. that won’t work. Well, you could cross over to the new county road by headin’ back a ways, and then…..no that won’t work either. You know, there is the new state highway, and if you head over to there, and go due west for a while….No, that’s no good. You know, you can’t get there from here.”

    As with any good joke, there is truth in this one. Millinocket IS hard to get to. Most main roads in Maine run north south, and Millinocket is west of everywhere useful, but north or south of nothing useful.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    And there’s the classic Calvin Coolidge joke:
    .
    At a white house dinner, society matron sitting next to Coolidge: “Mr President, I bet my friend a hundred dollars that I could get more than two words out of you.”
    .
    “You lose.”

  • Paul-no not that one

    “And, speaking of McCain on Leno, when is he going to retire ” Full stop. For both.
    .
    J.J. Thanks for the Vermont knowledge. With Bernie Sanders I assumed it was all blue there.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Bernie is a phenomenon all his own. Burlington (where he was mayor) is a typical university town, well left of center. But the state, as Kathy will attest, is Yankee conservative. The crazy pinkos in Brattleboro are conservation nuts who shop at the best cooperative I’ve ever seen–bringing in their gallon water jugs to refill, and buying in bulk. The general attitude is, as she once termed it, frugal.
    .
    that’s the kind of conservatism we can believe in, my friends. It’s why it drove people like me crazy to see Dean labeled as some kind of wacky hippie liberal. Not at all.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Jay you have lived in Maine, Minnesota, and Vermont? Are you really Thom Hartman?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Adding no one who pays attention thinks Doctor/ Governor / Chairman Dean is a wacky liberal isn’t paying attention.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    PNNTO
    .
    lol read your post again
    .
    I just about got a headache trying to read it lol
    .
    Frikkin preview man

  • Paul-no not that one

    Oy-sorry sg.
    .
    The important thing is that the essence gets through. Not that I’m offering up anything worth the effort. ha
    .
    And yes, I blame lack of preview!

  • rose83

    I think it looks bad – maybe bizarre would be a better word – for HRC to be Secretary of State, because then what were the primaries for?! I actually always saw them as nearly identical on foreign policy, with HRC being more progressive on domestic policy. But Obama won the nomination because he convinced enough people that he would have voted against Iraq if he had been a Senator. If I were one of those people, I’d be upset now. HRC is not Colin Powell; She’ll follow Obama’s lead, but only within limits. If she becomes SOS, she’ll have a powerful influence over foreign policy.

    This is like if HRC had won, and she then asked Obama to take over health care policy.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    rose83
    .
    The only thing about HRC being Sec of State is that she would truly serve at the pleasure of the President and could be removed at any time unlike traitor Joe Lieberman. Therefore it would be pretty stupid and difficult for her to undermine Obama if she gets the position. Besides Sec of State I believe is either 3rd or 4th in line of sucession should something happen so its a pretty prestigious deal. And strategically it would help solidify people behind Obama looking ahead to 2012. It would be pretty hard for him to have a terrible administration and that not reflect poorly on her too. So it would almost have the effect of ensuring she doesnt undermine him. I am NOT saying he should name her Sec of State. I am just saying there are some pretty good reasons to do so.

  • rose83

    sg, I’ve heard that argument a lot today. It’s not that she would try to undermine Obama – she’s not a traitor – but if she felt that a policy was bad for America, she wouldn’t support it. Again, she’s not Colin Powell.

    And Obama can only fire her, which is not a powerful threat. As an ex-Secretary of State, and former First Lady, she could join her husband’s foundation (The Clinton Foundation, not the Bill Clinton Foundation) and basically have a very cool life. If the Newsweek article is right, and HRC was even ambiguous about the Presidency, Obama has very little leverage. She seems to genuinely be motivated by policy, so she has no reason to follow a foreign policy she doesn’t support. In addition, with the WH led by Emanuel it may become filled with leaks and behind the scenes drama spilling out into the open. Those are fights that HRC knows how to win.

    I’ve been a little confused by the talk of HRC being a primary threat in 2012, since the only way I could imagine Obama facing difficulties is if he doesn’t end the war in Iraq, in which case HRC would have no chance anyway. But… with the economy tanking, I suppose there is some nightmare scenario of 15% unemployment and high inflation that could produce a primary challenge from someone with strong economic credentials. I truly hope that this thinking is playing no role in the Obama team’s decision making process. He’s perfectly capable of leading the economy out of this downturn, and no one should be wasting their time thinking about the 2012 primaries.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    rose83
    .
    What I am saying and what you aaid but didnt realize is this. If HRC gets Sec of State that means she cant be in the Senate. If she is left in the Senate she can seriously undermine Obama on many different issues. For instance if he pushes his health care reform which doesnt have mandates over Bacchus’s plan that DOES have mandates which HRC prefers she could raise all kind of hell and still come out smelling like roses and looking good. She could do this a LOT. But as Sec of State if she tries anything or doesnt support Obama she will be gone. And by gone I mean out of politics for good because most people will assume she wasnt supporting out president. And of course her Senate seat would be gone. Now if nobody thinks HRC is a threat to Obama then I don’t see why she would be that bad of a pick for Sec of State honestly. She would be there to further Obama’s interests not her own. So if she declines then I guess we can probably expect some rocky roads ahead for the two of them because I really believe it will mean osmething if she says no. By the way I am still confident in Rahm Emmanuel. I read that post that you put up but what it didnt say was that Obey himself has a lot of enemies and I couldnt find any other sources to back up the claims of that article nor any other articles that mentioned anything about Rahm leaking information. And if the Democratic caucus had a problem with him they had a funny way of saying it considering he was the 4th highest ranked Democratic member off the house of reps. Im just sayin

  • etsumi

    I second & third Stu’s inanity pt. Mike, sorry bud, but you’re just not funny.

    I say this as someone who is “septic with his own unappeasable anger,” which ironically enough a Time critic once said of the great writer Sherman Alexie.

    So, I may not be funny either (as OR-JC or jcapan either), but give me septicity over witless piffle anyday.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Jay you have lived in Maine, Minnesota, and Vermont?

    Haven’t lived in VT. Born in NH. Grew up in Maine. Went to school, as they say, in Cambridge, and lived there for three years afterwards. Spent a year in central Sudan on a development project in the midst of the Cambridge tenure. A year in Brooklyn. Grad school in Minnesota. Then NJ (Torricelli’s district) for 7 long years. Then, glory be, Manhattan.

    Shoulda started here. There’s no place like it. But it took seven years of saving to afford the apartment….

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Oh, but I did some work for the Sanders mayoral administration. Property assessment related stuff. And my dad spent a year or so working for FEMA in Rutledge.

  • Paul-no not that one

    That is quite a life experience. I am now too intimidated to speak with you!
    Yours truly, parochial Paul.

  • kathy

    Jayack and Pnnto – late to the conversation.
    .
    Since 1960 we’ve traded parties every time we’ve changed governors, and we’ve never kicked a governor out, as far as I can remember. Howard Dean became governor when the Republican governor that preceded him died of a heart attack swimming alone in his home pool. Howard was the Lieutenant Governor and was interrupted while seeing a patient.
    .
    The current Republican (who replaced Howard Dean) sounds like a DJ and still moderates his home town town meeting (Middlebury). Many old folks think he’s a nice young man. He might have been defeated if the liberals had put all their eggs in one basket, but the progressive (sort of Bernie’s successor) declared first, and it looked for awhile we weren’t going to have a Democrat. But the retiring speaker of the house eventually entered, and she turned out to be an appallingly bad campaigner. So the vote was split. very frustrating. But it is true that he’s not a conservative Republican. Listened to him explaining on VPR last year why his administration was not going to do anything at all about the many illegal aliens who supply farm labor in the state (the farmers depend on them).
    .
    Jay – I was just telling another thread today about the sign that used to hang in the Burlington Airport during Bernie’s tenure, where you had to see it when you came off a plane: “Welcome to the People’s Republic of Burlington.”

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Aside from the time in the Sudan, which has been a difficult place for an American to get to for quite a while, this doesn’t seem particularly remarkable to me. I learned a lot in grad school, though. Minnesota, at the time, was a hot bed of new classical economics, directly in conflict with my college training. The consumer theory guy, Marcel Richter, (my favorite subspeciality at the time) was really good. And the stat department had a lot of Bayesians, which was instructive.

    College was more like drinking from a firehouse, shifted from a rural to an urban setting a little more quickly than perhaps was wise.

    If you’re really pressed for reading material, there’s a book about the Sudan project Between a Swamp and a Hard Place. Personal interest aside, it’s a pretty unflinching study of why such projects so often fail.

    It was kinda funny, though, saying the Dinka greeting pattern to Manute Bol in Grand Central Station, when he and I happened to cross paths.

  • kathy

    This is my favorite Coolidge story:

    One day the President and Mrs. Coolidge were visiting a government
    farm. Soon after their arrival they were taken off on separate tours.When Mrs. Coolidge passed the chicken pens she paused to ask the man in charge if the rooster copul@tes more than once each day. “Dozens of times,” was the reply. “Please tell that to the President,” Mrs. Coolidge requested.

    When the President passed the pens and was told about the
    roosters, he asked “Same hen every time?” “Oh no, Mr.
    President, a different one each time.” The President nodded
    slowly, then said, “Tell that to Mrs. Coolidge.”

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    The current Republican (who replaced Howard Dean) sounds like a DJ and still moderates his home town town meeting (Middlebury).
    .
    We had a really nice visit to the state house in September. The tour guide mentioned this. Seems very cool to me.
    .
    First name politicians are few and far between. Bernie. Barney. Ronnie.
    .
    That is a classic Coolidge chestnut. I still can’t believe that I wrongly thought he was governor of VT. He’s so, well, Vermonty.

  • kathy

    jay – you do know we still claim him as one of our own? (His family’s homestead still is maintained as a museum in Plymouth, and he was there when he learned that he had become President. Sworn in by his father in the middle of the night. His wife returned to Vermont after Cal’s death). This is his best-known(at least in Vermont) little speech about Vermont, given after the 27 flood. (I even have it on a jigsaw puzzle.)

    “My fellow Vermonters:
    Vermont is a state I love.
    I could not look upon the peaks of Ascutney,
    Killington, Mansfield and Equinox
    Without being moved in a way that no other scene could move me.
    It was here that I first saw the light of day;
    Here I received my bride;
    Here my dead lie,
    pillowed on the loving breast of our everlasting hills.
    I love Vermont because of her hills and valleys,
    Her scenery and invigorating climate,
    but most of all because of her indomitable people.
    They are a race of pioneers who have almost beggared themselves
    to serve others.
    If the spirit of liberty should vanish in other parts of the Union
    and support of our institutions should languish,
    It could all be replenished from the generous store held by the people Of this brave little state of Vermont.”

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