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Today in the Northwest Frontier Province

Fred Kaplan has a good piece about some glimmerings of hopeful news that Barack Obama may be able to take advantage of in a difficult world–and here’s another: Pakistan may actually be our ally again in the fight against the Taliban.

Yes, Pakistan has putatively been on our side against Al Qaeda since the 9/11 attacks–but that support has been tentative, at best, since the Pakistani military and intelligence services have been primary backers, indeed founders, of the Taliban. The safe haven for Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province has made the war in Afghanistan near-impossible to win and is a tacit act of aggression–if such a thing is possible–against the U.S. and NATO troops deployed in the southern and eastern provinces of Afghanistan, which is why the CIA has intensified its Predator drone strikes against suspected terrorists in the Pakistan border areas over the past few months.

The good news is that the new Pakistani government of Asif Ali Zardari seems to understand that the combined Taliban/Al Qaeda forces in the unruly northwest have now targeted the Pakistani government itself. That may well have been the message gleaned from the Marriott Hotel bombing in Islamabad a few months ago–which may have been an assassination attempt on several top Pakistani leaders scheduled to have dinner at the hotel. In any case, as Jane Perlez and Pir Zubair Shah report in the New York Times today, the Pakistani Army has began a brutal and difficult campaign against the terrorists. If this means that the Pakistani military, and particularly the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency no longer consider the more extreme Taliban factions allies, we could be at a turning point in this dreadful war. But that is a big if. The Pakistanis have promised to take action against the Taliban before.

This time, however, the U.S. should help the process along with a concerted and targeted aid package: military aid that can only be used to fight the Taliban (counterinsurgency training and equipment like up-armored humvees etc.) as opposed to untargeted military aid, plus civilian assistance to build local institutions (especially schools, to provide an alternative to the madrassas). Perhaps most important, as President-elect Obama indicated to me a few weeks ago, a high-powered special envoy should be named–someone like Bill Clinton–to try to solve the eternal dispute between Pakistan and India over Kashmir. If India recedes as a threat, the Pakistani military’s imagined need for a guerrilla counterforce in Kashmir and Afghanistan should also recede.

This is a complicated situation–aren’t they all?–but I’m guessing that a consensus on a fresh way forward may soon be found.

Update: Jay Ackroyd raises the very good question of whether we can be sure that targeted military aid is actually targeted. I’m not sure there’s a perfect answer–but I do imagine that if you start with U.S. counterinsurgency trainers, and the aid flows only to units they are training directly in the Northwest Frontier Province, you have a better shot at the aid not going, say, to the Pakistani nuclear weapons program…or to units, or jihadis, facing the Indians in Kashmir.

I’d welcome a reaction from military commenters who might have a better  idea as to how this can be done.

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  • Joe Bftsplk

    Oh. When I saw the headline I thought you meant Alaska.
    I’m not sure we’ve completely subdued the enemy there, either.

  • Andy from MA

    I thought your headline was an oblique reference to Alaska. Silly me.
    .
    I really struggle with a U.S. role in the region. Every government seems to be politically unstable for one reason or another; it feels like running in quicksand.
    .
    What can an Obama admin do differently? Who are the new experts in the Middle East? Or are we faced with retreads from the Clinton admin.?

  • Andy from MA

    Joe B. Great minds think alike, lol

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Seriously, though, Joe — what could the U.S. do to help prop up Zardari without looking like (or being) Western imperialists?
    Are there any moderate clerics to be wooed?

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Andy, I am honored.

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    When I saw the headline, my first thought was that Palin and the AIP had finally seized power.

    Seriously, it’s fine to propose sending Bill off to sort out these issues, but 1) He has no power to make anyone do anything 2) India and Pakistan have been bitterly hostile to each other over the issue for a long time 3) Why not try and resolve Israel and the Palestinians first (which is probably more realistic!). After all, the governments of India and Pakistan are both relatively weak, and it’s far from certain that either could survive being denounced as betraying the country if they make a deal based on partition, which is the likeliest outcome. 4) You might be overestimating Bill’s charm – remember South Carolina?

  • mrtoads

    Interesting thoughts, Joe; While it’s very unlikely that any of your suggestions would work, they’re certainly worth trying. Especially making Mr. Clinton a special envoy to try to cut some sort of deal. If we’re lucky, both the Indian and Pakistani envoys will be women and a negotiated deal will become possible.

  • Andy from MA

    I guess, I don’t see much new thinking on this subject. What political capital does Bill Clinton have in this region? With all due respect to Mr. Clinton, we can only have one President at a time. Quite honestly, I can see Clinton trying to upstage Obama, not for any machiavellian reason, it’s just Clinton being Clinton.

  • nathan7777

    Joe -
    Some may take offense to your implication that “madrassas” are anti-Western, anti-American, schools. Madrasah is simply the Arabic word for school. It has no additional denotations of secular nature or religious affiliation or political ideology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah#Misuse_of_the_Word
    Also, it’s that Pakistan is unable to build secular schools without American assistance. The schools are not the origins of radical ideologies; they merely enable passage from generation to generation. Offering an alternative school still does not make ideological families want to send their kids to a school that they would undoubtedly see as spreading anti-Islamic propaganda.
    I doubt locals would respond well to a blatant American attempt to co-opt the local Pakistani schools.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    The topic of your post IS the central front on the war on terror.

    While I share most Americans ignorance of the details of what has been happening in Pakistan, I recognize that pretending it’s not an issue and calling people who insist that it is ‘naive’ would have been a recipe for disaster. Thank God that John McCain isn’t heading to the White House and Randy Scheunemann has absolutely no role in setting policy. If that had happened what we’d be facing now would be significantly worse than “more of the same failed policies”

  • nathan7777

    That should have read:

    Also, it’s not that Pakistan is unable to build secular schools without American assistance. The schools are not the origins of radical ideologies; they merely enable convenient passage from generation to generation. Offering an alternative school still does not make ideological families want to send their kids to a school that they would undoubtedly see as spreading anti-Islamic propaganda.
    I doubt locals would respond well to a blatant American attempt to co-opt the local Pakistani schools.

  • Andy from MA

    Paul Dirks, you’re right about this. My discomfort is there hasn’t been anyone out there with an alternative. It is likely my ignorance on the subject, but one might think there would have been some OP-ED page fodder.
    .
    Joe I know it’s against your journalism religion to interact, but if you could post some links, it would be appreciated.

  • skinker

    “…military aid that can only be used to fight the Taliban (counterinsurgency training and equipment like up-armored humvees etc.) as opposed to untargeted military aid …”

    I’m not sure this is really possible. You can give them equipment or weapons or whatever and tell them only to use it against the Taliban, but there’s just no way to ensure that the Pakistanis keep their word. Considering how opaque the operations of the army are, you basically either give the military aid unconditionally, or you don’t give it.

  • esblofeld

    India has to cede the Kashmir Valley part of its side of Kashmir. That’s really the only way to deal with the situation. Pakistan’s side of the Line of Control is entirely Muslim, so giving it to India won’t work, and Punjab and Ladakh on India’s side of the LoC are minority Muslim, so they can’t be realistically ceded to Pakistan either. If India didn’t have to deal with the 4 million restive Muslims that make up 95% of the Kashmir Valley they wouldn’t need 700,000 troops there, and Pakistan could redeploy as well.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    JK–
    .
    I don’t mean to cavil, and I’m glad to see prominent airing of the role the US,the Saudis and ISI have played in creating the Taliban as a force in the region. Steve Coll in Ghost Wars and Robert Baer in a book I’m forgetting the name have documented this.
    .
    But the question this inadvertent blowback (on the US’s part. The Saudis may be fine with the creation of a Sunni islamist force) raises is whether these is such a thing as targeted military aid. I mean, the Stingers were meant for Soviet helicopters, but they turned into financial aid, as did many of the AK47s.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I think some of us here are being terribly short-sighted and are harboring so much resentment for Bill Clinton’s role in the campaign, that we are forgetting what an effective president he was on the world stage. Clinton’s greatest admirers continue to be abroad and his credit (deservedly or not) for the economic prosperity of the nineties and his current global initiative puts him in good standing to talk to a countries like India who is dependent on U.S. companies to continue their economic growth and Pakistan.

  • kbanginmotown

    @Dee: I’m with you on giving Bill a role in the Obama Administration, although I would think that he’d be a better pick to have another go at getting the ball across the goal line in Jerusalem. Who would be a capable Special Envoy for Northwest Frontier Province (NFP)? Clark? Holbrook? Kerry?

  • textee

    Wow. Joe Klein made it through a few paragraphs without asserting (falsely, of course) that the “United States military” has “endorsed, wholeheartedly” the thoroughly unqualified, community organizer’s “brilliant”, alleged, so-called “plan”.

  • Andy from MA

    Dee perhaps you are saying I suffer from myopia. I do and I have the eyeglasses to prove it. My comments about Clinton had nothing to do with the campaign. I never got hung up on it, and I have no resentment about it. He and Hillary did a really good job in the final weeks of the campaign when and where it was needed.
    .
    I was looking for data that supports that Clinton is a good fit for this. I haven’t seen any so far, but I’m open to learning more about it.
    .
    I feel Musharraf and Pakistan have gotten a free ride since 9/11. I don’t see any evidence that during the Clinton admin., there was much leverage Clinton or his diplomats had with Musharraf or with India. I realize that he was a successful president (before Monica).
    .
    I just want to see new and pragmatic thinking before we kick over yet another hornet’s nest in a region of the world where Americans are not held in the hghest regard.

  • Andy from MA

    Dee perhaps you are saying I suffer from myopia. I do and I have the eyeglasses to prove it. My comments about Clinton had nothing to do with the campaign. I never got hung up on it, and I have no resentment about it. He and Hillary did a really good job in the final weeks of the campaign when and where it was needed.
    .
    I was looking for data that supports that Clinton is a good fit for this. I haven’t seen any so far, but I’m open to learning more about it.
    .
    I feel Musharraf and Pakistan have gotten a free ride since 9/11. I don’t see any evidence that during the Clinton admin., there was much leverage Clinton or his diplomats had with Musharraf or with India. I realize that he was a successful president (before Monica).
    .
    I just want to see new and pragmatic thinking before we kick over yet another hornet’s nest in a region of the world where Americans are not held in the hghest regard.

  • dzheyms

    But would either country really trust or want to work with Bill Clinton? India saw him as continuing the US’ historic tilt toward Pakistan, and following their nuke tests he put sanctions on both countries. Maybe since it was both he’d be seen as a neutral arbiter, but it’s still not the best foundation for a good relationship or wielding any influence.

  • Andy from MA

    Dee perhaps you are saying I suffer from myopia. I do and I have the eyegl@sses to prove it. My comments about Clinton had nothing to do with the campaign. I never got hung up on it, and I have no resentment about it. He and Hillary did a really good job in the final weeks of the campaign when and where it was needed.
    .
    I was looking for data that supports that Clinton is a good fit for this. I haven’t seen any so far, but I’m open to learning more about it.
    .
    I feel Musharraf and Pakistan have gotten a free ride since 9/11. I don’t see any evidence that during the Clinton admin., there was much leverage Clinton or his diplomats had with Musharraf or with India. I realize that he was a successful president (before Monica).
    .
    I just want to see new and pragmatic thinking before we kick over yet another hornet’s nest in a region of the world where Americans are not held in the highest regard

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    @kbanginmotown: Don’t you think that with Clinton’s work in his global initiative he would be seen as a more honest broker of credible messenger to offer aid to build schools and provide health care to the Pakistani’s giving him a more natural entree to this region. I’m thinking that despite his near miss in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict this region would be better off with a brand new team put together by a brand new president who is seen from the outset as an honest broker rather than trying to resurrect a dialogue dragging behind it old baggage especially on the Palestinian side prone to question U.S. motives purely out of habit.

  • stuartzechman

    Thank you so much for responding to commentary, Joe Klein.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    ‘Course, uparmored vehicles are probably better than pallets of Ben Franklins in this regard.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Andy, I see your point, but it would pretty hard to prove who would be better at making the pitch since we haven’t really made the pitch in earnest before. I just think the work that Clinton is doing now may make him a more credible figure to certain population. One of the reasons that Obama was so popular abroad is because he represents an immediate departure from the white supremacy that has always been an integral part of U.S. foreign policy when dealing with developing nations– But Obama is not going to be the person who leads these discussion, Clinton at least has a successful model for aiding developing countries that is less condescending than previous aid models and being a former president it will be seen as a high profile appointment and signal the importance of the region. Once you get p@ss all of the ego issues then you can get down to negotiations. Of course this doesn’t mean Clinton is the only one who can fill this slot, I just want to make sure that we are not dismissing Clinton because we have personal issues with Bill and I take your word Andy that you are not.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Clinton’s a good idea. Clinton and Bush I would be a good idea. H3ll, Wesley Clark would good for this, too. Any kind of diplomacy that is sincere and directed to resolving conflict will be a refreshing change.

  • kbanginmotown

    @Dee: I’m with you on the global initiative having leverage with humanitarian aid organizations in the NFP. And the baggage issue is going to come up no matter where Clinton (or any US rep) is deployed…
    .
    My advocacy of Bill for the Israeli/Palestinian spot is based on (1) reports I read at the time (1999/2000) that said that although the deal ultimately flopped, Clinton’s grasp of the minutiae of the situation (settlement locations, land claims, etc.) was thorough enough to bring the two sides as close as they came, and (2) the need to focus high-level attention on this issue from DAY1 if there is to be any hope of reaching an agreement by 2012.
    .
    What better way to show the world that we are serious about peace in the region than sending an ex-president? (OK, not just *any* ex-president. ;)

  • Cliff

    Why not try and resolve Israel and the Palestinians first (which is probably more realistic!). After all, the governments of India and Pakistan are both relatively weak
    .
    Or we can work on both at the same time. Which would be nice, because IIRC both the Pakis and the Indians have nukes.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Other bit of good news in the linked Kaplan piece:
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    According to a story by Bryan Bender in the Boston Globe, the Defense Business Board, a senior advisory group appointed by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, recommended huge cuts in the military budget, noting that the current level of spending on weapons is “unsustainable.” Several private and congressional defense analysts have been making this point for a few years now; the U.S. Government Accountability Office recently calculated that the Pentagon’s 95 largest weapons systems have accumulated cost overruns amounting to $300 billion (that’s just the overruns, not the total cost, which amounts to many hundreds of billions more). It’s also clear, from the Pentagon’s own budget analyses, that well over half of the $700 billion-plus budget has little if anything to do with the threats the United States faces now or in the foreseeable future. The past seven years have been a free-for-all for the nation’s military contractors and service chiefs; the number of canceled weapons projects can be counted on one hand; they’ve otherwise received nearly all the money for everything they’ve asked for. Even many of the beneficiaries realize that the binge is coming to an end; the nation simply can’t afford it. Obama’s fortune is that he can order the cuts, invoking not his own preferences but the sober-minded urgings of a business advisory group in the Bush administration.

  • Andy from MA

    JK I echo Stuart_Zechman. Bravo!

  • Andy from MA

    Jayackroyd, kudos to you for getting JK to interact. I’m with you on finding anyone who is willing to move the ball forward.
    .
    I’m intrigued with Wesley Clark, particularly because he did good work in the Balkans and has some experience dealing with factions that have hundreds of years of conflict between them.
    .
    Dee, I’m was thinking if Al Gore would step up on this. He should have been POTUS, has a nobel peace prize, and is wonkish enough to be involved. I just don;t know if he has the interest or need to do this right now.
    .
    I’d also be interested in what Richard Clarke might bring to the table. Anyone have any responses to these three people?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I think everything we know about Renegade (I love this secret service moniker)tell us that he is big on multi-tasking. Remember what he said when grandpa tried to suspend his campaign — “A president has to be able to do more than one thing at a time.” So I’m thinking that he is going to focus on the middle east conflict from the outset and at the same time focus on Pakistan and India so that he has more leverage to resolve the Afghanistan/Pakistan issue. Clearly, it is just as important if not more so since it is clear that the Taliban is trying to bring down Pakistan so they can gain control of those nukes.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I’d also be interested in what Richard Clarke might bring to the table. Anyone have any responses to these three people?
    .
    I think he may a loon whom you may want purely in a staff role. Sometimes loons are right, and you need people who see danger everywhere in place. But you don’t want them making decisions.
    .

  • zwfwrestling

    “This time, however, the U.S. should help the process along with a concerted and targeted aid package: military aid that can only be used to fight the Taliban (counterinsurgency training and equipment like up-armored humvees etc.) as opposed to untargeted military aid, plus civilian assistance to build local institutions (especially schools, to provide an alternative to the madrassas). ”

    Joe, I understand where you’re coming from on this, but please let me give you a word of warning. My parents were born and raised in Pakistan, and I have been there a number of times over the last ten years. I know many of the politicians personally and am quite aware of the sordid state of affairs the government is in right now. With that said, providing any aid to a government run by Zardari is a HUGE mistake. This guy is the biggest crook in Pakistan’s history and is the likely mastermind of his wife’s murder (in Pakistan, recently it’s being looked at in the public kind of like we look at OJ being “not guilty” in the US).

    Since taking over I can almost 100% guarantee you that the treasury has been emptied and sent to Zardari’s bank account. This is no different from the behavior of Zardari’s only other real competition in Nawaz Sharif, who after being deposed was found to have tons of hidden palaces bought using government money.

    The rest of the world is wise though. China, Pakistan’s historically closest ally, for the first time gave Zardari a huge slap in the face by rejecting a request for aid. They know this guy is corrupt:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/19/world/asia/19zardari.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

    The World Bank promptly cancelled its 300 million dollar loan meant to shore up Pakistan’s economy about a week later after this crook met with the IMF and did not make a convincing argument:

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=58688

    Musharraf’s old party is already working behind the scenes to try to bring him back into politics to challenge Zardari and the PPP. Obama would be wise to stay out of this maelstrom and let this play out because the lack of support we’re getting from Pakistan in Afghanistan is directly related to this internal power struggle that is still unresolved, as Zardari continues to bankrupt an increasingly unstable nation.

  • morayeel

    “Perhaps most important, as President-elect Obama indicated to me a few weeks ago, a high-powered special envoy should be named–someone like Bill Clinton–to try to solve the eternal dispute between Pakistan and India over Kashmir.”

    While Pakistan would love this, it will be a non-starter for India – they’ve firmly held to the position that Kashmir must be resolved by bilateral talks between India and Pakistan, with no third parties involved. This position hasn’t changed in decades and through several Indian changes in leadership. The US would be well advised to stay out of this – there’s a lot of downside and minimal chance at an upside.

  • WisconsinLiberal

    honestly I’m not sure how much good the up-armored Humvees would end up doing, the main problem areas are extremely mountainous and hard to access, we’d be a lot better off if we managed to coordinate our UAV recon flights with Pakistani forces, that way we don’t insult them by essentially invading their country every time we see a target but we can make use of our superior intelligence gathering capability. We may have to put some special forces liaisons into place but this could be accomplished without needing any additional US troops on the Pakistani side of the Border.

  • pneogy

    # morayeel Says:
    Tuesday, November 11, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    “Perhaps most important, as President-elect Obama indicated to me a few weeks ago, a high-powered special envoy should be named–someone like Bill Clinton–to try to solve the eternal dispute between Pakistan and India over Kashmir.”

    ‘While Pakistan would love this, it will be a non-starter for India – they’ve firmly held to the position that Kashmir must be resolved by bilateral talks between India and Pakistan, with no third parties involved. This position hasn’t changed in decades and through several Indian changes in leadership. The US would be well advised to stay out of this – there’s a lot of downside and minimal chance at an upside.’

    I agree. The last time boundaries were drawn on the basis of religion in the subcontinent ,millions perished. Nobody wants a repeat of that. Besides, Obama’s objective is not so much a solution to the Kashmir problem as a segue from the unilateral neo-con intervention in Iraq to a more circumspect engagement in Afghanistan/Pakistan. A part of that approach is to build confidence in Pakistan that the US is willing to try a different strategy. Offers to mediate in the Kashmir dispute, I think, is part of that confidence building.

  • interestedindian

    Hi Joe,

    Indians have been pretty supportive of Obama’s election over McCain primarily because 1) his message of unity and change resonates in a country as diverse as India 2) Obama’s pledge to deal strongly with Pakistan’s support of terrorism was appealing to a country that has long suffered Pakistan’s terrorist ativities.

    However, Kashmir is non-negotiable and using it as a bait to get Pakistan to co-operate is definitely not a winning option for US. We may have our differences but when it comes to Kashmir Indians stand united. Kashmir is an integral part of India and it will remain so. And I take objection to the comments made by esblofeld. They are as ignorant and as hawkish as the Republican party in US.

    If Pakistan wants to obssess about Kashmir and destabilize its economy further, that is their choice. As Indians, we will contnue to do what we have always done – protect our territorial integrity and focus on our economical growth.

  • rajphys

    As others said, the Indian policy of bilateral talks have been pretty stable over the years. It should be noted that it was a strategy specifically designed to keep US and even UN (which India thought was dominated by the US) out of it. So there is a severe level of mistrust on this.

    Over the years Indian politics has ushered in the era of coalition governments, where no party has enough political capital to get a territorial solution to Kashmir issue. So it is harder now than say 15 years ago.

    Further, what is the US leverage with India? The nuclear issue could have been, but it was almost enough to topple the govt. without any mention of Kashmir. The fact is that U.S. does not have as much leverage with India as it has with Pakistan.

    Finally, my sense is that the Indian foreign policy establishment was pretty suspicious of the Clinton govt. and Clinton may not be the best person (to gain Indian confidence) on this issue. Bill Clinton does not really have the larger than life persona for Indians.

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