The Transition Begins, Poorly Lit

The first public briefing by America’s new shadow government took place, appropriately enough, in a basement. Not just any basement, mind you, but the basement of an undistinguished rectangular building in the heart of the unremarkable office grid that is known as the nation’s capital. The lighting was dim, the walls were gray, and John Podesta, the fidgety organization man who is helping to oversee Barack Obama’s presidential transition effort, did not wear a tie.

Aesthetics didn’t matter because this was a “pen and pad” briefing, which is a term of art that harks back to the days of teletype machines and men’s hats, if not parchment and quill pens. In practice, it means that journalists are allowed to come with digital recorders, laptops and other sundry writing equipment. Cameras of the still and video variety are verboten; the only pictures permitted must be painted in words. (Seven American flags hung in the back of the room, and Podesta, a slight man who talks as if he consumes only Diet Coke, held his arms on a small podium, with microphones that broadcast his words out to journalists around the country listening in on a live conference call feed.)

As odd as the setting seemed, the process of presidential transition is even stranger. Obama, Podesta and their team must build a government in just 77 days, if you count both New Year’s and Christmas. At the first briefing about this process Tuesday, Podesta said that he expects to spend about $12 million on the effort, most of which will be paid for by private donations from individuals who are not registered lobbyists in sums of $5,000 or less. (Congress kicks in $5.2 million to the effort.) All that money will pay for about 450 staff in Chicago and D.C. offices to do reviews of the major federal agencies, create dossiers on potential appointments, and otherwise set up the personnel for the future of the U.S. government, which included in 2004, 15 secretaries, 24 deputy secretaries, more than 275 assistant secretaries and more than 2,500 additional presidential appointees not subject to Senate confirmation.

So who is going where? Podesta did not say. He did suggest that reporters could stakeout buildings in both Chicago and Washington with binoculars. “Are you telling us how to do our job?” asked one reporter in jest. “You could make it easier,” called out another. Upon hearing these remarks, Podesta offered a modest smile, though there is no documentary evidence of this smile, since cameras of all sorts were not allowed in the room.

Podesta did say the process would move fast, and that he was concerned about getting people appointed and confirmed in time to have a functioning government come February. (For example, the FCC is going to have to oversee the switch to digital television signals a few weeks after the inauguration, an event that will be made more difficult if there is no one running the agency.)

Podesta also announced a new conflict-of-interest policy for the people who will be working on the transition. The most important part is this: Lobbyists cannot work on the transition in any subject area for which they have registered to lobby in the last year, which suggests either that the Obama team plans to eschew lobbyist expertise, or hire a bunch of oil lobbyists to structure the Department of Education. Someone asked Podesta about the concern that he might be leaving those people with the most expertise about how government functions out in the cold. “So be it,” said Podesta.

Some minutes later, after he had taken his final question, Podesta attempted to quickly exit the briefing room through a back door, a deft move that would allow him to avoid further interaction with reporters, including a pesky member of the foreign press who was trying to hand him a business card. But the back door would not budge, requiring a quick change of plans. “Okay, we’re locked out,” Podesta announced. “I have to run the gauntlet here.” And so Podesta fearlessly headed straight through the crowd of more than 100 reporters, showing exactly the sort of mental and physical dexterity that will be required of him over the next 10 weeks. The only pity is that no pictures were made to commemorate the man in action.

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  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Well I don’t know if I have a clear picture of what went on in the basement but I have a real clear picture of you. I don’t think that’s the way it is supposed to be MS but you managed to paint the process as everything from sinister to incompetent. Only at the very end did I get a sense that the leader of the transition team was at least determined. I know you personally prefer the GOP and McCain in particular, but get over it they did not win — please tell me that your sole job will not be to try to tear down this administration for the next 4 years? Are you telling me that you believe these people are incompetent? And aisde from the bad lighting tell me you have more that the terrible office space that is official Washington.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Nice piece, Michael. Very nice.

  • donovong

    Gee, thanks, Mikey. I feel so very much better informed now.

    Did this meet your “minimum weekly blog posting requirement” for now?

    Waste of electrons.

  • 53_3

    I’d suggest you spend the time you have in the next 77 days in helping to reform your party.
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    I’d be willing to bet my right eye tooth (my left was jsut pulled!) that you could actually help that particular process along in a constructive way.
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    That is, provided you show some backbone and acatually call a cat a cat, a bird a bird, a bullet a bullet, and a “Traditionalist” a…

  • James, Los Angeles

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    I didn’t get the “sinister and incompetent.” I thought it was a fascinating, vividly-written, straight ahead piece without his customary gratuitous Democrat-bashing. Different strokes, I guess.
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  • Cliff

    Podesta, a slight man who talks as if he consumes only Diet Coke
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    Michael Scherer approached the task of writing like a Dadaist approaches a concrete slab, with a skateboard in hand and a glint in his eye.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    For what it’s worth, I found the post entertaining. I’ll also add that there are many areas where ‘expertise’ is vastly overrated.
    If we’ve been promised anything it NOT “more of the same.”

  • davemc321

    Can someone explain what Mr. Sherer is trying here? Aside from the archly connotative language (‘shadow government”) and the implication the new administration stems from a gray, undistinguished and old-fashioned place and doesn’t respect the media (They didn’t allow video. We get it)he goes out of his way to bury the lede (no lobbyist in the transition).

    And Podesta, a slight man who talks as if he consumes only Diet Coke, what the hell does THAT mean?

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Tough crowd, here.
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  • Cliff

    James, LA, I will grant that it is a vividly written piece, orders of magnitude better than his usual “GOP Transcript and Run” work.
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    But I feel it got a little frilly (as I point out above), and there were a few notions I didn’t care for, like:
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    The most important part is this: Lobbyists cannot work on the transition in any subject area for which they have registered to lobby in the last year, which suggests either that the Obama team plans to eschew lobbyist expertise, or hire a bunch of oil lobbyists to structure the Department of Education.
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    Am I to understand, then, that Scherer doesn’t care for the notion of divorcing special interests from our politics?
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    And, given MS’s history of reporting here, are these really the only two explanations? Or just the only two that he could cudgel his brain into divulging?

  • kattest123

    Michael Scherer:

    No matter what you do, the DK-style posters here are going to call you a GOP plant. So, why not fill a market gap and be one for real?

    For instance, you could point out all the problems with the BHO explanation for his “civilian force”. Or, you could point out the problems with Podesta’s group, namely that when it comes to think tanks they’re just one step up from this one: hardinginstitute.org

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    the Obama team plans to eschew lobbyist expertise
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    No phrase better encapsulates the Village.

  • Cliff

    davemc321: THANK YOU (on the Diet Coke thing).

  • 53_3

    I kinda thought that that “shadow government” crack was a bit negative, since that is not what the transition team does. His descriptions are rather negative, lots of secrecy and evile mechanations implied, I see.
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    The main complaint MS seems to have is that he cannot take pictures.
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    Oh! The pavarazzi!

  • Andy from MA

    MS of Time magazine was forced against his will to put down his laptop and digital recorder and actually take notes. OMG the humanity.

  • 53_3

    “Tough crowd, here.”
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    The trolls are gone. We’re hongry. We gotta eats somthing!

  • Andy from MA

    The press at its worst. MS is really “bitter”. Why not take a voluntary payout and go work at the National review.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I see the black helicopters have returned.

    It’s going to be a looong 8 years,

  • rose83

    MS, good post.
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    Cliff, the lobbyist thing is a joke.
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    davemc321, it means that he’s wired in a legal, vaguely adolescent way. So no cocaine.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Cliff, I’m with you on MS’s “history” as a barbecue-licking McCain campaign operative.
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    The lobbyist ban, well, I read that over at TPM and roundly support it. I thought that MS was doing a little irony humor there rather than passing judgment. I think it was a pretty good straight reporting job, descriptive with a little humor which is appropriate for a blog or a magazine. Hell. I found nothing offensive in the piece at all. Well look, Podesta IS a slight and slightly wired up guy. I think he’d pretty much chuckle at that description. I was looking at it as more of a pool report style piece and didn’t expect him to be promoting or bashing Dems, which he wasn’t, in my view. It was a great first look at how the 77-day sausage is being made.
    .

  • joyomama

    I read the complete ethics statement, and was very impressed. Not everyone who has expertise chooses to peddle it on K street, so I’m not worried. (I was going to use another term for selling ones –ahem — wares on the street, but figured this was more filter-safe.)

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Cliff, I’m with you on MS’s “history” as a barbecue-licking McCain campaign operative.
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    The lobbyist ban, well, I read that over at TPM and roundly support it. I thought that MS was doing a little irony humor there rather than pa$$ing judgment. I think it was a pretty good straight reporting job, descriptive with a little humor which is appropriate for a blog or a magazine. Hell. I found nothing offensive in the piece at all. Well look, Podesta IS a slight and slightly wired up guy. I think he’d pretty much chuckle at that description. I was looking at it as more of a pool report style piece and didn’t expect him to be promoting or bashing Dems, which he wasn’t, in my view. It was a great first look at how the 77-day sausage is being made.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Cliff, I’m with you on MS’s “history” as a barbecue-licking McCain campaign operative.
    .
    The lobbyist ban, well, I read that over at TPM and roundly support it. I thought that MS was doing a little irony humor there rather than pa$$ing judgment. I think it was a pretty good straight reporting job, descriptive with a little humor which is appropriate for a blog or a magazine. He11. I found nothing offensive in the piece at all. Well look, Podesta IS a slight and slightly wired up guy. I think he’d pretty much chuckle at that description. I was looking at it as more of a pool report style piece and didn’t expect him to be promoting or bashing Dems, which he wasn’t, in my view. It was a great first look at how the 77-day sausage is being made.

  • Cliff

    Cliff, the lobbyist thing is a joke.
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    davemc321, it means that he’s wired in a legal, vaguely adolescent way. So no cocaine.
    .
    !!!
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    Quickly, what stocks should I bet on? If we could just tap your psychic powers we could all be millionaires! (Or does it only apply to Michael Scherer posts?)

  • davemc321

    Rose, shouldn’t jokes be funny?

  • Andy from MA

    The irony of this news conference is that it helps all the print journalists who work for newspapers and magazines. See Obama is trying to keep jobs losses at a minimum.
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    You might have to buy a news paper to read what was said. Or in the old days on TV when the the anchor would read copy and there would be a slide(graphic)of Podesta in the background.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Sorry for the triple post. First time I’ve been moderated. I’m crushed.
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    No, they could take their laptops, just no video or pics. They don’t *do* spiral bound notebooks and penknife-sharpened pencils any more.
    It’s not unusual for video or photos to be banned in a thing like this.
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    Maybe I read too many pool reports. This stuff seems normal to me….
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  • Cliff

    James, LA – I can buy that.

  • fourlegsgood

    Michael, I believe the FCC chair has a six year term, which doesn’t expire until 2012.
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    Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe he’s (Martin) is required to step down, since his post requires confirmation.
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    So someone WILL be in charge of the FCC during the changeover to digital. Other than that – I think Obama is a highly competent manager and will have his government ready to go on day one.

  • fourlegsgood

    Maybe I read too many pool reports. This stuff seems normal to me….
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    Seems normal to me too.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    It doesn’t make sense to me that the transition should have to be funded by private money. I’m not trying to raise my taxes, but it seems mickey mouse. It strikes me as a nonpartisan, governmental expense. Weird.

  • Cliff

    I meant “I can buy that” about your triple post. In that light it’s not a bad piece of work.
    But I can buy the “too many pool reports” thing, too. I’ve either never heard of Podesta before or forgot that I’d heard about him.

  • jacuda1

    What’s the purpose of this entry exactly? How did this guy end-up at TIME with this childish reporting? He needs to go chill-out and suck a lollipop for real!

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I don’t know James , I find it hard not to pick up on the negative picture being painted. Spend any time in DC and you know that all of the government buildings are squared, indistinguishable, and gray. So by making this seem as if the building the transition team chose was especially gray and appropriately so — make me wonder what’s wrong with them.
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    His picture of the pen and pad — a generation of things past in comparison to a campaign that we’ve come to know as young, hip and technologically savvy — does it mean that the transition team is at odds with the persona of the campaign — more i line with the Clinton #3 meme?
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    Perhaps he didn’t mean to give me the impression that thee was a level of incompetence that was more concerned about adhering to the dogma of keeping lobbyists out than putting the most competent individuals in position.
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    Perhaps I am wrong but I that’s not my fault if he was trying to paint a different picture well he’s the one with the brush.

  • davemc321

    James, I’d tend to agree with you if MS hadn’t begun with a description of the Obama transition as a ‘shadow government.’ To me, it carries a darker meaning, a secret group within the elected government. Regardless, it is not synonymous with the orderly transfer of power.

  • gysgt213

    fourlegsgood,
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    I believe you are correct. The FCC appointees are appointed for fixed 5 years terms. Since Kevin Martin the current chairman was renominated in 2006 I will leave it to Michael to do the math.
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    http://www.fcc.gov/aboutus.html

  • rose83

    Cliff, it’s just reading comprehension. When you’ve read Erasmus, Henry James and transcripts of Sarah Palin MS is pretty easy to decipher.

    And I just want to say that I’m sorry for the misunderstanding about my Wright comments on the other thread. I wrote a post explaining my thinking, but it’s trapped in moderation limbo.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I’m sure that MS simply found the environment he was in a bit surreal and wanted to convey the feeling. I don’t detect hostile intent (except of course in that lobbyist ‘experience’ line.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Well, I just didn’t get anything sinister out of “shadow government.” It’s kind of funny, given the grim surroundings they were given to set up a brand new government. Reporters have these kinds of briefings literally *all* the time. Sure, he could have called it the “fetal” government I suppose. But, they are actually kind of already shaping policy *right now* so I’d say it qualifies as a “shadow” government, or maybe a Hologram government. Surely someone could come up with a different word.
    .
    Look, I’m not trying to defend Michael, I just think it was a pretty good pool-like description he’s giving us — kind of the insiderey-type story — on how they are going about setting up this government in 77 days. Pretty cool stuff, I think.
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  • James, Los Angeles

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    Son sez it should be called “government-in-waiting.”
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  • iwasindependent

    I hate that I had to do this, but it shows Micheal’s hackishness:
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    Eric Kleenfield @TPM on the conference call: 277 words and much more relevant content.
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    MS: 718 words and did he just call lobbyists experts in running the government? Like those jokers that ran McCain’s campaign??
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    For the sane: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/11/obama_team_bars_lobbyists_from.php

  • Cliff

    Cliff, it’s just reading comprehension. When you’ve read Erasmus, Henry James and transcripts of Sarah Palin MS is pretty easy to decipher.
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    I see, now we’re throwing out some elite cred, huh?
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    I just finished some Henry James stories. It seems like he draws his sentences in curlicues, and I don’t appreciate it. Give me Steinbeck any day.
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    But yeah, if you can decipher Palin then you can pretty much decipher the Bible Code.

  • manthonyaiello

    I suggest those who seem to think that the comments here on Swampland are for levying personal attacks against the Swampland posters carefully read RFC 1855: Nettiquette Guidelines for one-to-many communications (http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html#3). Your material certainly qualifies as incendiary; do you really think anyone wants to read your personal attacks against the authors?
    .
    I’ve been reading Swampland for well over a year now; the comments on many – if not most – posts are deplorable. Only on news sites, it seems, is this sort of behavior tolerated; anywhere else, moderators would remove the offender’s account. (Here, of course, that would raise cries of censorship, or some such.) It’s truly a pity that WordPress doesn’t (appear to) offer a digg- or slashdot-like comment rating scheme; then we could bury the personal attacks so that they wouldn’t distract from meaningful discussion about the subject matter.
    .
    Most closely on topic: those who believe “Shadow Government” has some dark meaning should consider the Wikipedia article on it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_government) which states “A shadow government is a ‘government-in-waiting’ that remains in waiting with the intention of taking control of a government in response to some event.” It’s not as though Scherer invented the term.

  • davemc321

    Well, there’s always a risk over over-interpreting MS, I suppose. And I don’t think he was to treat the transition like a cute little puppy. I just found the tone unnecessarily dismissive.

    And, apologies to Rose83, I still don’t get the Diet Coke reference. I can see being wired on Coca-Cola or Mountain Dew. But Diet Coke? It’s like saying “talking like a man who flies Delta.”

  • Cliff

    carefully read RFC 1855: Nettiquette Guidelines for one-to-many communications
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    I’ll get right on that.

  • gysgt213

    A shadow government is what the Brits and the Aussies have. But the real problem with Michael using this term is that there are those on the extreme right who are using it to attack the president elect. Michael is either unaware of this, has chosen not to do his job to verify the terms he uses are not being used by extremists or he does not care.
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    http://www.hotfeeder.com/politics/loyal_opposition_and_a_shadow_government_520415

  • Paul-no not that one

    #42 was the funniest post I have read in a while. “Nettiquette”! “Deplorable”!
    Thanks for that, seriously.

  • gysgt213

    “read RFC 1855″
    .
    Is this some type of city ordinance?

  • Andy from MA

    Easy Cliff…

  • davemc321

    James, maybe your son should write the pool reports. I like government-in-waiting.

    Anthony, the same wikipedia cite also says ‘shadow government’ doesn’t apply to government systems like the United States’ because the built-in systems for orderly change.

    I don’t think MS invented the term. I think he misused it.

  • Andy from MA

    must…control…fist…of…de@th

  • Andy from MA

    MS working without an editor…like trapeze artist without a net.

  • rose83

    Cliff, yeah I mostly can’t stand Henry James. I love Graham Greene – a perfect writing style.
    Maybe MS would do better adopting a more TPM approach, with much less description. But sometimes I think if KT said exactly the same thing, we’d all get what she meant because we don’t second-guess every sentence she writes. The Diet Coke thing was clear. It seems to me that the only reason there was any confusion is that we all have this suspicion of MS. If we read that sentence in a novel every one of us would know what it meant.

    manthonyaiello, yes, we’re infringing on MS’s first amendment rights.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    manthonyaiello – Were you breastfed?

  • Cliff

    Easy Cliff…
    .
    What’d I do?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Moreover shadow government is how the media has typically referred to the African American led government here i the District of Columbia. Perhaps I’m being a bit over sensitive but it struck me as odd that MS wold use this term knowing full well that Jesse Jackson was known as the shadow senator.
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    And I still have my biggest problem with the description of the building. The comparison of the shiny new campaign and the reality of the dingy governance. I think that was a deliberate comparison and the reason why I think he went out of his way to describe it that way is because that kind of graying look is the norm here in DC not the exception.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Gunny, I hadn’t heard about the rightwing loonies using that. But then, who cares what they say? They’s irrelevant now!
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    I took the “shadow” term to be in line with the “basement” “poorly lit” “undistinguished rectangular building” as the setting in which this magnificent, shiny new government is being built. Don’t you guys read Poe? At least Cliff is a Steinbeck man! Me too!
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  • Paul-no not that one

    “But sometimes I think if KT said exactly the same thing, we’d all get what she meant because we don’t second-guess every sentence she writes.”
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    Yeah it is almost as if they have track records.

  • Cliff

    It seems to me that the only reason there was any confusion is that we all have this suspicion of MS.
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    Done and done. I admit that I hold mostly subjective, unsubstantiated opinions about Scherer.

  • http://it-arcana.blogspot.com M. Anthony Aiello

    @davemc321: Hmm. The article doesn’t come out and say that the term doesn’t apply to the US – it just mentions that the U.S. has a system for orderly change in the event of catastrophe. It does appear, though, that the term is used widely by conspiracy theorists. I like it, though – it seems more artful than “government-in-waiting.”

  • trifecta

    I am on a bashing MS sabbatical. He didn’t get a promotion to cover the McCain White House. That should be punishment enough. We bashed him often fairly, sometimes unfairly. MS denied that there was anything wrong with his coverage. Nothing has changed.

    It’s over. I am moving on.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    Dee we had completely opposite thoughts, simultaneously.
    .

  • Cliff

    James LA: I haven’t read a ton of his stuff, but most people stare at me like I’ve just grown an extra head when I say I read “Grapes of Wrath” willingly.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    davemc321: I used to _live_ on diet coke… until I had a huge kidney stone that required surgery to remove. Let’s say the stuff _can_ get you going. It’s not watered down, in terms of caffeine and I still drink it when I’m driving long distances.

    I dunno, I’m not feeling the hate toward Mikey, today. I thought he was trying to be low-level Mickey Spillane, like. I thought the piece read Ok. Very much in contrast with his quasi-Electra complex exhibited during the election.

    @ manthonyaiello: pulling out an RFC… Heh, that’s cute.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    What do RFC’s say about wearing pants? No reason.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    manthonyaeillo
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    Thanks for your opinion about our posting habits
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    Now let me offer mine
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    BLOW IT OUT YOUR AZZ!
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    Sincerely,
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    Me

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    @ James, LA: if Poe stopped at just “poorly lit basement” or “undistinguished rectangular building,” it wouldn’t be Poe. He doesn’t _ever_ under-describe something.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “”read RFC 1855″
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    Is this some type of city ordinance?”
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    Mayberry RFC.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    James — I take it you meant the descriptin of the building. Perhaps the reference to the men in hats was a nod to spillane but also reminds one of the era of political bosses chicago style — uh hm.

  • Andy from MA

    I thought MS was doing a combination of Jack Anderson, Drew Pearson (journalist not WR) and Walter Winchell with a touch of Jack Webb
    (-30-). After further review, it is a good parody of mid 20th century print journalism.

    It seemed he was writing for radio than for print.

  • Andy from MA
  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    manthonyaiello….I’ve never heard such ill tempered fooforaw in all my years…good day to you sir!
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    “Are you telling us how to do our job?”
    Someone has to…has anyone heard this Scherer interview w/ Mark Salter?
    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1856960,00.html

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    test

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    manthonyaiello….I’ve never heard such ill tempered fooforaw in all my years…good day to you sir!
    .
    “Are you telling us how to do our job?”
    Someone has to…has anyone heard this Scherer interview w/ Mark Salter?
    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1856960,00.html

  • James, Los Angeles

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    @ Nice guy,

    oh yeah, but I didn’t claim that he *was* Poe! I just meant that it evoked Poe in a way — Poe-ish, if you will. Poey, maybe. Poe-lite. A little nacht Poe. Well, I guess that *would* be rather sinister. So here we are.
    .

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    http:

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Got this from the TPM article
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    • The cabinet will have not just Democrats, but also Republicans and independents, “not just at a token level.”
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    Somehow I would think that was a relevant quote that should be included in any post about this meaning. But I guess I was wrong lol. MS is sending his resume to RedState.com as we speak

  • Andy from MA

    m anthony aiello: Are you trying to gull us? What kind of flummery is this?

  • iwasindependent

    @rose83: actually, KT would have no problem explaining the Diet Coke thing if it had created this sort of response on one of her posts. And she would’ve done it with disarming class and charm. I don’t think Micheal can get off the tire swing right now to address this.

  • Cliff

    Oh COME ON that is RIDICULOUS I AM TRYING TO DISCUSS STEINBECK HERE YOU MODERATING PIECE OF SH!T
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    Anyway,
    James LA: I haven’t read a ton of his stuff, but most people stare at me like I’ve just grown an extra head when I say I read “Gr@pes of Wrath” willingly.

  • James, Los Angeles

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    @Andy. I miss the fedoras.
    .

  • Paul-no not that one

    Gropes of Wrath?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Andy
    .
    I had heard about it but hadn’t seen that particular post. After reading the thinkprogress report on how many times LIEberman has shown himself to be anything but a good progressive Dem in the last 2 years I am even more hopeful that they strip him of his chairmanships.

  • Andy from MA

    James, LA: like in the 1940s movie serials the fedoras never came off during the fist fights.
    .
    Cincy: Salter interview: It was an excreable piece of journalism. MS handed Salter the laptop on that one.
    .

  • Cliff

    Paul NNTO – how is that appropriate but the actual title is forbidden? I mean, come on, “Gr0pes of Wrath” sounds like a pr0n title.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Cliff
    .
    I’m a huuuuuuge Steinbeck fan. Mice and Men? Cannery Row? Two of my favorites. G of W of course is his serious classic. He was reviled as a commie back in his day, of course, he wrote a lot about the early labor movement — In Dubious Battle. You know John Dos P@ssos?
    .

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    MS is sending his resume to RedState.com as we speak.

    I don’t think they’ll take him. He doesn’t have that plagiarism thing down yet.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    I’m in moderation again discussing Steinbeck. Go figure. I have no idea what it is, I didn’t say Gr a pes. I did say c o m m i e though.

    Meh, what I said isn’t important enough to troubleshoot for repost.

    This s u c k s.

  • Andy from MA

    DEE

    All I got from MS, was: since the building was a rectangle, I was able to deduce that meeting wasn’t at the Pentagon…unless MS flunked geometry.

  • Paul-no not that one

    “”Gr0pes of Wrath” sounds like a pr0n title.”
    .
    I just Googled-It is! I have a fall back career!

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Remember when Conyers had to hold hearings in some basement? On the Downing Street Memos or some such?
    .

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    yeah but Andy it was in a basement and not just any basement…we have tunnels you know perhaps the door Podesta was locked out of led to the general services building…
    .
    Okay perhaps he was just trying to be literary and demonstrating that he had some writing skills. And of course past posts are coloring my judgment. But I also think that all my years in the capital city is forcing me to question the author’s motives.

  • iwasindependent

    KT would post to clarify Diet Coke.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Andy from MA, re interview w/ Salter. Do you think he was just scared of Salter and didn’t want to challenge him for fear of getting beaten up? He does have a face that screams ‘beat me, take my lunch money!’, and having that face your whole life surely does things psychologically. Michael, if you’re reading the comments, despite their incendiary quality, a bit of advice. Wear an eyepatch. It might give you just enough of an aura of dangerousness that you won’t so easily be steamrolled. At first, you’ll have to say you had eye surgery or something, but as time passes, you can change your story, like you lost your eye fighting a one legged Guatemalan pimp in a bar after one of his ladies declared their love for you. Something…

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Andy from MA, re interview w/ Salter. Do you think he was just scared of Salter and didn’t want to challenge him for fear of getting beaten up? He does have a face that screams ‘beat me, take my lunch money!’, and having that face your whole life surely does things to you psychologically. Michael, if you’re reading the comments, despite their incendiary quality, a bit of advice. Wear an eyepatch. It might give you just enough of an aura of dangerousness that you won’t so easily be steamrolled. At first, you’ll have to say you had eye surgery or something, but as time passes, you can change your story, like you lost your eye fighting a one legged Guatemalan p!mp in a bar after one of his ladies declared their love for you. Something…

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    I can do this all night modbot:
    .
    Andy from MA, re interview w/ Salter. Do you think he was just scared of Salter and didn’t want to challenge him for fear of getting beaten up? He does have a face that screams ‘beat me, take my lunch money!’, and having that face your whole life surely does things to you psychologically. Michael, if you’re reading the comments, despite their incendiary quality, a bit of advice. Wear an eyepatch. It might give you just enough of an aura of dangerousness that you won’t so easily be steamrolled. At first, you’ll have to say you had eye surgery or something, but as time p@sses, you can change your story, like you lost your eye fighting a one legged Guatemalan p!mp in a bar after one of his ladies declared their love for you. Something…

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Here is what I dont get out of the diet coke reference.
    .
    How do you TALK as if you consume only diet coke?
    .
    Does that mean your voice is high pitched? Or does it mean you would give Barry White a run for his money?
    .
    Does it mean you sound like you are out of breath because you drink diet coke instead of water? Or does it mean you sound healthy because instead of Vodka on the rocks you prefer diet coke?
    .
    Enquiring minds really don’t care but will pretend to want to know!

  • Paul-no not that one

    Cin, with all due respect I think you miss the obvious reason for MS accepting Salter’s abuse of the media.
    .
    MS agrees.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    You have to look at the context of the Diet Coke comment:
    “Seven American flags hung in the back of the room, and Podesta, a slight man who talks as if he consumes only Diet Coke, held his arms on a small podium, with microphones that broadcast his words out to journalists around the country listening in on a live conference call feed.”
    .
    All those flags represent freedom and the men and women who died for those freedoms. Diet Coke is a drink that only women, qu#ers and generally girly men drink. It’s a drink for p@ssies. Democrats are p@ssies.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Andy
    .
    watch this youtube video. If you want you can just forward it to about the 4 minute mark. But its another reason why Lieberman HAS to be stripped of his chairmanship.
    .

  • Andy from MA

    Cincy — The eyepatch may make people think he’s the Hathaway shirt guy. I was incredulous when I read the Salter interview. It was like giving someone an open mike on a live broadcast. Here say whatever you want.
    .
    This article had to have editorial review. So I can only conclude that this was done to let Salter vent. It was most unprofessional. I would have fired the editor who didn’t spike this story and given MS a tongue lashing for leaving his reporter’s skills in the parcel room or with the hat check girl.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    SG– I really think that MS was trying to make an Obama thug reference you know back to the old street organizer meme. Podesta was wired and thin so he must talk like he’s been sniffing coke or smoking crack all night — of course that would have been to bold so MS went with the diet coke euphemism.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    cinci
    .
    I guess I would have considered that context….But uhmmm coming from Scherer??? Not exactly the bastion of machoness there. That would definitely be one of those pot/kettle moments.

  • michaelscherer

    To Fourlegsgood,
    I am not sure off hand if the FCC chairman is required to step down by law, but there is no doubt that it is expected to happen. (The FCC chair stepped down during the transition in 1993 and 2001.) Here is a good link on the search: http://www.businessweek.com/print/technology/content/nov2008/tc2008119_650156.htm

    As for the Diet Coke thing, I didn’t expect it to be such a puzzler. I just meant he talks very fast, with stops and starts, as if he were very caffinated. Don’t y’all know people who drink a lot of Diet Coke who talk like time goes slower for them? Maybe that breed only lives in DC. And to be clear, I have no idea if Podesta actually likes Diet Coke, or drinks it, or even if he drinks caffine. But the man speaks in a very intense way. I would show you the video, but well . . .

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Paul-no not that one, I’ve always seen MS as a careerist first and foremost, but he’s also a major league milquetoast. Seriously, Stephen Moore from the Club for Growth laughs at Michael Scherer. You know what happens when a big war hero blesses a milquetoast like MS with his approval and friendship? Big time man crush. I’ve seen it before, and MS exhibits all the symptoms, but only time will tell now that McCain has been removed from the equation.
    .
    Ahhhh sgwhiteinfla, but it’s the wimps that want to project the aura of toughness, or attach themselves to someone who does. I’d go into my whole thing about the 2 personality types that become cops, but people might get offended.

  • Andy from MA

    Actually I thought Salter did a great Captain Queeg (testifying at the court martial*) imitation in the interview. He brought up everything but the “strawberries, the messboys and the duplicate key to the food locker” as the reason for the McCain loss, not the incompetence of the campaign.
    .
    MS failed by not challenging anything he said.
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    *The Caine Mutiny by Herman Wouk

  • http://jonorato42.wordpress.com/ John O

    Sound and fury, signifying nothing? Sheesh, what a lot of nada.

    My goodness. I guess the only people who have any expertise on any particular policy matter have a vested interest in their team winning.

    Mike, why don’t you just tell us you think Islamofacsist-terror loving homo-supporting take our guns away Obama represents the death of America, and get it over with?

    I know I’ll be criticized for over-reading your post, and that’s fair. My dispute about that particular criticism is that I’ve been reading all of your posts for months or years.

    You can tell a lot about someone who writes professionally, because they’re by and large good at expressing themselves.

    You’re good at expressing yourself, Mr. S.

    It’s going to be OK. And mainly, how about we give the man a year or two before we start hacking at him? I mean, God forbid a campaign spokesperson avoid speaking too explicitly about the transition.

    In case you haven’t noticed, this country has problems (which, in your defense as a modern and fabulous member of the pundocracy you probably don’t share) which are pretty serious in nature. I would’ve supported McCain in the same fashion, even though my doubts about his ability to make structural changes for the good of this country would have been greater.

    C’mon.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Mountaindew is the drink of choice for those seeking a caffine rush in my experience. Diet Coke isnt usually even in the top 3. But hey maybe its just me

  • Andy from MA

    MS did you wear a fedora to this “pad and pen” event with your press card sticking out of the hatband?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Captain Queeg almost had them convinced in the movie that he had ferreted out the strawberry thief lol. That movie was a CLASSIC! By the way Salter wrote his own article about why McCain lost on thedailybeast.com and it was SURPRISINGLY similar to the MS interview lol. Go figure

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Captain Queeg almost had them convinced in the movie that he had ferreted out the strawberry thief lol. That movie was a CLA$$IC! By the way Salter wrote his own article about why McCain lost on thedailybeast.com and it was SURPRISINGLY similar to the MS interview lol. Go figure

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    It’s either the eyepatch, or maybe the shaved head w/ goatee thing that some guys do.
    .
    Does Diet Coke have more caffeine than regular coke? Or is DC populated by those people who refuse to work out and think doing things like drinking diet soda makes a diff?
    .
    What I do definitely know is that I read the piece about the same briefing at TPM and got pretty informed about where the Obama transitional team is at right now. Conversely, having read MS’ post, I’m left confused as to the caffeine content of diet sodas but pretty sure this briefing happened in a basement.

  • iwasindependent

    what cinci said…

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Maybe MS means it literally, as in Podesta says things like “Dude, get me a Diet Coke right the h-ll now and it better not be some poser drink or I will put a cap in your a$$. Now, the transition …”

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    AMC on Maddow now….looking rather Elisha Cuthbert-ish.

  • Andy from MA

    AMC = Cuba Gooding, Jr. in Jerry Maguire
    .
    Show me the money

  • Paul-no not that one

    Dang Andy that was so accurately mean.

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    The three saddest words in the English language: “By Michael Scherer”. Everyone has a bad novel in them, but only you seem compelled to post yours to the Time site. Why, Michael,why?

  • acidj

    Whoa! Suddenly Scherer thinks he’s Kafka! What happened to the Pynchon worship, bro?
    .
    Seriously, this post is a literary achievement. If only the nefarious shadow government had the power to do anything at all, the creepy atmosphere would have been believeable.
    .
    As for lobbyists dealing with stuff they don’t have expertise in, that could be a problem. I know because I’ve seen the way reporters go about it.

  • Andy from MA

    PNNTO – I call them as I see them.

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Diet Coke’s big out here in my neck of the woods.
    I’m an addict myself, when it’s too hot for coffee.
    .
    I guess it’s a regional thang.
    .

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Anybody else watching the Lee Atwater special?

  • Hammerlock

    “Shadow Government” and secretive meetings?
    .
    Mr Podesta, I’m vaguely familiar with D1ck Cheney, and you sir are no D1ck Cheney.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    T’ain’t regional, James, LA. Maybe coastal; it’s big near NYC, too. Now, when I lived near Columbus, OH, Mello Yello got me buzzin’. Can’t find it, here, so I go with Diet Coke. The sugar-laden stuff tastes too heavy. Of course, I have caffeine pills that I take straight up, when a beverage just isn’t enough. Oh, don’t worry – it’s cool. They have vitamin C, so they’re considered “supplements.”

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I’ve actually been at an event with Podesta as one of the speakers. He is fit, certainly, but was not particularly wired or hyper. Spoke with him, quite briefly, afterwards. Engaged. Focused. But not “wired” in any way.

    I was pleased to see he has a role in the transition. Very realistic guy. At a time when the candidate was in doubt, he was talking about stuff that transcended the choice.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    This Lee Atwater story is pretty striking. Perhaps the most striking part is how they keep showing Mary Maitlin straight up lying and in a perpetual state of denial. It was also amazing how some of the stuff he pulled back then for Bush 41 was done this year by the McCain people. Very powerful stuff

  • davemc321

    You guys get buzzed on Diet Coke? Is that a trend? Or do don’t know how to get caffeine in the system. I know a woman who drinks Red Bull and vodka. But Diet Coke?

    What do I know. I’m in Texas and we drink mescal and fight over the worm. Then we go to Starbuck’s.

  • ivb3016

    Late to the party, but Michael lost me with shadow government because for me it has the British meaning and that is what the opposition is. It also has a nasty connotation that I thought was inappropriately applied to the transition team.
    .
    Although I heard a comment on NPR about which Repubs are throwing their hats in for 2012, so I guess it isn’t too soon to trash the transition team. I just thought we might wait until after the inauguration, but guess I’m wrong.

  • ertw

    great post!

    Obama is a puppy controlled by the “shadow government”. I got it.

  • bitterpill8

    I guess the lack of a picture forced MS to write a thousand words.

  • rustyreturns

    I liked Mike’s portrayal of the up-coming administration. Rats in the cellar, how appropriate!

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Well there you go!
    .
    When rusty gives you his seal of approval that says it all doesnt it!
    .
    BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  • maurice2u

    {Podesta also announced a new conflict-of-interest policy for the people who will be working on the transition. The most important part is this: Lobbyists cannot work on the transition in any subject area for which they have registered to lobby in the last year, which suggests either that the Obama team plans to eschew lobbyist expertise, or hire a bunch of oil lobbyists to structure the Department of Education. Someone asked Podesta about the concern that he might be leaving those people with the most expertise about how government functions out in the cold. “So be it,” said Podesta.} ~~
    .
    Maybe change really is coming to Washington. So be it.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    be leaving those people with the most expertise about how government functions out in the cold. “So be it,” said Podesta.

    Truly amazing how revealing this phrase is. Obama campaigned long and hard on the idea that he represented ‘Change’ and that his opponent represented ‘more of the same failed policies’. So the first words out of a certain reporters’ mouth are “aren’t you afraid that you are abandonong the same failed policies and embracng change?”

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Great observation Paul. You nailed it. And you can look at the state of elite DC journalism and see the very same problem. The same douchbags who have been so catastrophically, grievously wrong about virtually every question — foreign policy, economics, law, you name it — continue pontificating. CNN just hired a bunch of wingnut bushie crazies like Steven Hayes.
    .
    Where are the Democrats on CNN?
    .

  • plukasiak

    don’t let the Oborg get you down, Michael — just realize that had McCain won, and you’d written the exact same piece about his transition team, none of those who are critical of you would find anything objectionable in the least.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    If this had been a story about McCain the whole tone would have changed. Poorly lit would have changed to nostalgiac ambiance. No videos would have been “old school”. Podesta on Diet Coke would have become Charlie Black’s commanding presence. I hope the rethugs never step into the world of reality though. LOL we will just keep racking up wins while they continue their descent into irrelevance

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Oh noes. Lukasiak has broken through!!

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    WaPo has an interesting piece on Obama spox Robert Gibbs.
    .
    A Spokesman So Close, He’s the ‘Barack Whisperer’ – washingtonpost.com
    .

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Did no one watch the lee atwater story last night? I wanted to discuss! Surely somebody HAD to have been as bored as i was and wanted to learn more about this man

  • James, Los Angeles

    .
    Good to see p-luk again.
    .

  • usesherbrain

    Man, I’m late to the party, but oh well…
    .
    I thought MS had turned into Special Agent Fox Mulder. Mulder was forever talking about “shadow governments” in his multitude of conspiracy theories… so what gives? Paying homage to the X-Files? And does this make AMC your Dana Scully?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    @plusiak: now that makes a lot of sense. Most of us posters are probably in agreement with shwhite’s assessment regarding Mikey’s “slant” in the post right after yours, and you think we’d quietly accept MS’s almost guaranteed “creative fiction” if McCain had won?

    How do you get from one to the other?

  • Andy from MA

    Somewhat off topic, but since MS’s film noir depiction of Podestra’s presser is close to fiction:

    Distributed in midtown Manhattan this morning was a Pastiche of The New York Times. Headline “IRAQ WAR ENDS”.
    .
    Dated July 4, 2009, the pastiche looks a newer, more progressive U.S.
    .
    In a hilarious send up of its columnist Tom Friedman, who writes “The sudden outbreak of peace in Iraq has made me realize, among other things, one incontestible fact: I have no business holding a pen, at least with the intent to write.” Several paragraphs later Friedman announces he’s trading his pen for a screwdriver and retraining to be an engineer working on non-carbon based energy technologies.
    .
    Bush is indicted for treason, Harvard Business School shutters its doors, and a who host of other things you would have not thought possible. But then who would have thought a year ago Obama would be elected president.
    .
    I was hoping to find an on-line version. but alas, no.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Hey, Mikey! As hostile as we are toward you, how ’bout releasing some of the hostages from moderation?

  • fense

    sgwhiteinfla — I saw a few minutes of the Lee Atwater thing on PBS last night, but I had to turn if off before I became ill.
    .

  • sgwhiteinfla

    fense
    .
    It was sickening but also very enlightening. One fun quote is when a white guy who was friend with Lee Atwater says that because of how he danced Atwater was really a black man in a white man’s body. I wont even get in to how latently racist that sentiment was but I will say it was pervasive throughout the show. But how about this quote from George H W Bush when Atwater blatantly lied on Dukakis and challenged his patriotism. “I am not questioning his patriotism, I am questioning his judgement” Sound familiar? It shows how much the Republican party has not changed in all this time.

  • lowellfield

    I can’t shake the feeling that Mr. Scherer harbors a certain amount of skepticism about the incoming Obama administration.

  • michaelscherer

    all moderation released. I honestly don’t understand how this system flags you guys.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Scherer
    .
    Its based on words even if they are located inside other words as in @ss in cl@ssic or r@pe in gr@apes. Stupid as all he!! but thats what happens

  • michaelscherer

    can’t it be turned off? I will send an email.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    KT’s been dogging the High Sheriffs to, evidently, no avail. But, if you can make it happen, I’ll buy you a beer at the upcoming Time-sponsored Swamprat Rendezvous that KT’s hashing up for the inauguration.

    (Ok, that’s a bit of fiction, but think how cool it would be if it actually happened…)

  • michaelscherer

    I doubt I would make it out of the bar alive.

  • toddandincharge

    Ok, I’m late to this, but add my vote to those who thought this piece was not bad, at least by MS standards. It’s overreaching in terms of its pretense and affectation, but otherwise I liked it.

  • janexdoe

    Does anyone even read comment no. 154? anyway, just wanted to say that I really liked the way this post was written. I’d read about this meeting in other places, but nobody else was able to capture it as well as you. I think sometimes good writing gets a back seat to immediate coverage, but I tell a lot of thought was put into this post.
    Nice work.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    C’mon, Mike. Most of the reg’lars are progressives or Dems’ – they’re not typically hostile. According to the R’s, they’re “peace-loving commies.” I think you’d make it through the night just fine.

    @janexdoe: you’re not Mike’s mom, or significant other, are you? Just kidding…

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