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It turns out Todd Palin is a closet metrosexual:

On top of the $150,000 first outlined in Federal Election Commission filings, Palin spent “tens of thousands of dollars” on additional clothing, makeup and jewelry for herself and her family, including $40,000 in luxury goods for her husband, Todd, our colleague Michael Shear reports. The campaign was charged for silk boxer shorts, spray tanners and 13 suitcases to carry all the designer clothes, according to two GOP insiders.

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  • Hammerlock

    Well, you need silk boxers to look good in front of crowds and er…um…
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    Right, they soaked the RNC for every penny they could.

  • alekshy

    That makes me laugh. They bring in Palin only to find her spending all their money on makeup and silk boxers for her snowmobile man. They should have kept the snowmobile outfit from SNL for Todd, at least that made me notice him.

  • wvng

    Yep, Joe-Six_Pack, properly accessorized, the perfect choice for higher office.
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    Being a decent person, I feel like I should avert my eyes, but just can’t. However, as someone noted yesterday, taking everything the McCain loyalists say at face value ain’t too smart neither. They are the folks who crafted the most blatantly dishonest presidential campaign the nation has seen in decades. So, we should believe them now?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    I’ve got to avoid thinking about this. It’s not only of small importance in the grand scheme of things (see Joe’s post below) but it reinforces every negative stereotype I might have had about ‘heartland’ types and it’s not healthy for me to overgeneralize that way!

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Sorry to post Newsweek at TIME, but this is my favorite Todd Palin quote:

    “So what’s the difference between a snowmobile and a snow machine, anyway?” Salter asked. “They’re the same thing,” Todd replied. “Right, so why not call it a snowmobile?” Salter joshed. “Because it’s a snow machine,” came the reply.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/167905/page/3

  • wvng

    In case anyone missed this, Campbell Brown really cut through the bull on the whole “blame Palin” thing:

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    Brown has really impressed of late.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    wvng
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    I wanted to point this out yesterday but forgot. Yes the McCain people led a very dishonest campaign, but we shouldnt forget that one of the most dishonest people in the campaign was Sarah Palin. Ultimately I think Sarah Palin will come out of this looking like a victim because so many of these attacks are from unnamed sources. But that shouldn’t obscure the fact that weeks after every fact checking website on the net had debunked it she was still on the stump giving her bridge to nowhere spiel. And lets not even get started on “palling around with terrorists” Now I think its scummy that they are st@bbing her in the back after they decided to pick her with little to no vetting in the first place, but that doesnt mean that they are wrong or are lying about her. And remember quite a bit of this stuff isn’t information that has been leaked after the election. The stuff Cam Cameron was saying on Fixed Noise was quotes he had gotten earlier in the campaign that he agreed not to release until after the election. All in all I see no reason for them to lie about her expenditures which can be easily checked. I really don’t see a need for them to lie about her not knowing who signed on to NAFTA nor that she didn’t know that Africa was a continent. Think of it this way, a statement like that almost HAS to be true because the average person is going to think its not. It would serve no purpose if it was a lie because most people would dismiss it out of hand anyway like rose83 did yesterday. So what motivation would they have to lie about something that most people would have a hard time believing in the first place? In my opinion THATS what makes it all the more believable to me.

  • wvng

    Paul, this is the not-at-all funny vision of the heartland that we really and critically need to see and understand right now. In response to Kathleeen Parker’s truly stunning op-ed today, this comment:
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    “From another southern black woman: I cried twice too. So did my husband and my grown son and grown daughter who were watching with us. But I also wanted to celebrate and talk about it the next day. But the wierdest thing in Alabama is that nobody mentioned politics the whole election season nor did they Wednesday after the election. In Alabama among white people it is if it did not exist. The Universe I read about in the Washington Post does not exist in Alabama. I have two friends who like me voted for Obama and we celebrated in emails to one another. In our office, in restaurants, nothing from other lawyers as we waited to go into our hearings Wednesday,nothing. The only mention of Obama from my office staff came from an email forwarded to me with I think good intentions from one member of my staff, originally from Mr. Blackwell from Ohio who wrote that Obama was a Socialist and most likely the Anti-Christ. I thank you for your column as I search online for people, for words written down about their emotions Tuesday night, because I sure don’t hear a word here in Alabama. It was especially meaningful that these words came from a Southern white woman.
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    pukadog2 wrote: My comment above should have read from a Southern white woman. It is important to my comment that you understand that I am white and that I voted for Obama”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/06/AR2008110602126.html
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    A friend sent a similar note from New Orleans:
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    “We were in New Orleans for the election–the Quarter was spooky quiet, with all the shutters closed.
    Almost all of the black people were completely straight-faced. Perhaps afraid of reprisals since only 20% of whites in LA voted for Obama. We walked the quarter, which now is mostly white anyway, and only saw one outburst of celebration by a group of 4 young black men. There was an election viewing party by Young Black Professionals, and it was very low-key. I mean black people seemed afraid to show any emotion or even acknowledge what had just happened. I quietly said to one of the women we passed–”We’re so excited,” and she flashed me a secret smile. A small truck with black sanitation workers riding on the back went by and we shouted “Obama” and they just looked at us stone-faced.
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    There was one white gay man shouting “Obama” and we joined him, then he yelled to the air–”shoot my ass, I don’t care.” There was a group of very vocal white people (4 or 5) on a balcony–possibly tourists, yelling for joy, and a bar full of young white people celebrating. It was the quietest I’ve ever seen the Quarter. Almost no one on the street.
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    The day before, I had overheard a Latino man from Texas talking to a black man in his 70s or 80s about how Obama is not qualified, and the black man said, “He’s too young.” I felt that it was agreement for the sake of staying out of controversy. I spoke up and said that we had voted for him.
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    A gay man we know, who is probably Republican, though he said he voted for Obama, went to vote at a 9th Ward polling place and he said there was a poster at the polling place announcing an Obama victory party. He said that he told them it wasn’t allowed there and they ignored him, so he ripped it off the wall.
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    There was an election viewing party in the Lower 9th that we wanted to go to and vascillated about for a long time–but we were afraid to go there after dark, thinking we’d have to park some way off and walk in the dark to get to the Lower Ninth Ward Village–a community center of sorts.
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    The next morning, we went to get coffee in our hotel coffee shop, where there was a black parking attendant in his 70s and a 50′s-ish coffee shop waiter/manager. The older man had the paper with Obama headlines in front of him, hidden by his forearms, and they were both expressionless. We said, “We’re so happy and excited that Obama won; we and my 88 year old mother voted for him.” Then they began talking about how sincere and beautiful his speech was and how hopeful they are, and how much it means. “Let me get you some coffee, baby,” the manager said to us. We all had tears in our eyes. We hugged the manager before we left to head back to Texas.”

  • oizydoizy

    “An angry [McCain] aide characterized the shopping spree as ‘Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast,’ and said the truth will eventually come out when the Republican Party audits its books.”

    – Rolling Stone

  • Hammerlock

    wvng — I might be a bit off-base here, but I think after they got bush elected twice, they figured they could pas5 off a trained chimp onto the American electorate and get it into office. So by that logic, she must have been a very substandard and recalcitrant chimp indeed.
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    Its far easier than being accountable for your own actions–which isn’t in the Republican DNA anymore; they’ve (in)bred out the Goldwater genes.

  • James, Los Angeles

    Karen,

    (cross-posted)

    A record 64.1% of the US voting population voted in 2008, exceeding the 1960 vote of 63.1%. 148,218,161 people cast their vote in 2008, up from 122,294,978 who voted in 2004. It may turn out be the highest turnout of than any presidential election in the 20th century.
    Your post downstairs is wrong about voter turnout being flat. That piece was based on *projections* and not actual data. They should be more careful of about trying to make definitive statements with *projected* data, and I hope you will correct your post below. This is exactly the way that misleading narratives get started in the MSM — someone runs with an erroneous, fact-free story and no amount of facts or truth will shake the reporters from their certainty.
    They are called Zombie Lies.

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  • Foxhunter

    Spray tan? For a guy who could have possibly been First Dude?? Look, I’m metrosexual in an off-beat redneck sort of way, but spray tan? Sure, it’s fitting for some club kid or Jersey-ites, but First Dude?? Doesn’t exactly go with hunter/fisher/roughneck/outdoorsman extraordinaire. Someone check Boehner’s expense accounts, stat! Although, he probabaly went all-in and just bought the Wolf Tanning System for home and office.

  • wvng

    Speaking of trained chimps, Adam at Daily Kos has serious thoughts about Palin’s future. A must read:
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    The Wilderness Years
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/7/10101/7163/401/655558

  • wvng

    BTW, I have a long and substantive comment that may come out of moderation at some point.
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    ta

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Sarah Palin deserves every [true] grenade lobbed at her for this. I will never, ever, forget or forgive that. Never.

  • g_crush

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    Aren’t they donating it all to charity? I can imagine that a pair of Todd Palin’s used silk boxers would fetch a high price at some wingnut auction, like the Bill Bennett Charity Auction for Gambler’s Anonymous or something like that…
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    Yes, that’s not a real auction but it should be.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I would like to know from Mark Salter who on the campaign, if anyone, wrote the line “doesn’t see America the way that you and I see America.” Would someone please get the author of that statement on the record? All of this gossip – fine. Who on the McCain campaign was dividing up America? Please get this on the record. If it’s Salter, shame on him. Who wrote it?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    What’s really interesting and forgive me if this is something that has already been mentioned but I think its odd that everyone is so focused on blaming Palin or the McCain operatives for this loss. Is it possible that it is in their best interest to find a scapegoat because they don’t want to admit they got beat by the black guy? I mean all I am hearing lately is that McCain lost because of the economic meltdown, the bad Bushies or rock’em-sock’em Sarah — is it possible that they lost because they got beat badly by a guy with a superior intellect, who used superor judgement to pick a superior campaign team that ran the best darn campaign in American history.

  • fourlegsgood

    Holy moly.
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    13 suitcases?? 13??!!!????
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    So is the republican lawyer gonna repossess the first dude’s duds too? The sheer hutzpah of it all is just astonishing. Did they think this would not come out?

  • wvng

    Dee. Yes.

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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Few things.
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    yes, the shopping claims have to be true, because they can be checked. But you won’t see Palin’s name signed to any of them. She’ll be able to play the victim to her supporters on this one, too.
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    As a TPMer emailed, why should you believe any anonymous McCain staffer on the “she was ignorant” claims? They lied, unceasingly, on the record and off in the interests of the campaign and their own futures. Why believe them now? And if this stuff was true, and they left her on the ticket, isn’t this sorta tantamount to treason?
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    Palin’s gonna be in a lot of legal trouble over this. Taking that stuff from campaign funds is against the law. It’s income as well, that has to be reported, and, like the very worst kind of game show prize, has a proportionately small cash value.
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    Now legal trouble, especially legal trouble with the IRS, is not the kind of thing that endangers one’s standing if the fans involved believe “Drill baby drill” is an energy and “Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist” is a reason to oppose his candidacy.
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    I say again, if she hires the right handler, she can at least get rich offa this, and may be able to continue to lead the know-nothing base. (I have to say that I came to this because of earlier commentary here. The idea that anyone could take her seriously was incomprehensible.)

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I know I know it’s more fun to diss Sarah the secret shopper — and I can’t say that I feel keeping the clothes is like a consolation prize. But did they realy send a lawyer up there to take back the clothes from the kids? Gee whiz I always knew the GOP were mostly heartless SOB’s but aren’t these people supposed to be the comp@ssionate conservatives? Yes you can go after Sarah and her husband but leave the kids stuff out of it. At least let Levi keep his suit he might need it to get married in.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    So is the republican lawyer gonna repossess the first dude’s duds too? The sheer hutzpah of it all is just astonishing. Did they think this would not come out?
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    I think this is kinda revelatory about the nature of politics in AK. It seems clear that they these were the normal perqs that come with moving up in class.
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    Stevens’ win or close loss was also revelatory in a similar way.

  • ivb3016

    wvng, thanks for calling attention to the Daily Kos diary. I wonder if she is disciplined enough and intelligent enough to do the required self education. She can do a lot of fund raising for the base, but at some point she is going to have to respond to questions from the press and no matter how good the prep, you can’t anticipate every one. Plus I think there will be a very bad taste left after this.
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    Anything that isn’t repoed by the RNC including the silk boxers (yuck), will be taxable income for them. As I recall learning that was what prompted her to originally say that she wasn’t keeping them. I trust the IRS is on top of this.
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    kathy, thanks for the link (in another thread) to Mudflats about the Alaska vote. One explanation is that the earlier vote counts were wrong – note the over 100% of voters in many areas, but then the question is why?

  • dunedweller

    hammerlock: I don’t think your trained chimp comment is too off-base. When Palin was first announced I started researching her and the way I perceived the dots connecting is that her so called “energy” experience (basically being pro oil and drilling), made her a useful replacement for Bush as a pawn for big oil interests – lack of intelligence included.

  • Art Pepper

    Schadenfreude is fun, and Sarah Palin is a reprehensible person. Right now I’m more interested in the GOP attempts to claim that Obama does not have a mandate.

    Like clockwork, David Brooks is pushing that line in his NYT column today. And Newsweek ran the story saying that we are a “center right” nation – though if you read the article, by “center right” the author really just meant we are not socialist in the (old) European model.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    BTW the next time you’re moved to complain about the fluff/issue ratio in TradMed reporting, note the ratio of comments here vs Joe Klein’s post about Obama changing the tone of negotiations in Iraq, just by being nominated. Steve Benen at Washington Monthly notes the same effect.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    ArtPepper:
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    I go on about bobo’s column at some length, Here.
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    FWIW.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Politicians are the same species as regular humans. I bet the Palins were just plain old disliked. Some things are uncomplicated: in a losing cause, likeable people inspire great loyalty and the unlikeable get thrown under the bus. Remember, she wasn’t even allowed to give a concession speech. It seems like a lot of people that worked with Sarah Palin really hated her. No one is immune to that, and it’s relevant not trivial. Sure, the anonymous campaign sources are loathsome – but it is meaningful that Palin exits the campaign with tomatoes being thrown at her from behind. Leaders inspire confidence and loyalty, not derision.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    WVNG — on a more serious note. If memory serves me correctly. This is usually the time when winning campaigns get as much if not more attention about how they put it all together and I’m not seeing that. All I see so far is the McCain saga and what damage has been done to him by the secret devious diva known as Sarah the barracuda. By the end of this thing its not going to be about the lack of vetting or McCain’s misjudgment but about how his operatives, former Bushies all, served him poorly and how Sarah sneaked on to the campaign plane and sabotaged the race so she could run in 2012. And McCain will soon come to be known as Charlie Krauthammer put it this morning, “the most worthy presidential nominee ever to be denied the prize.”

  • sceptic1

    Yawn. Another tidbit from spineless (and, of course, nameless) McCain operatives, trying to blame the loss on Palin. Pathetic.

    I find it more interesting that so-called journalists just blare out anything these bitter and small people leak, without a comment. Tools.

  • g_crush

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    Dee in Columbia MD: Is it possible that it is in their best interest to find a scapegoat because they don’t want to admit they got beat by the black guy?
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    That would be the easy explanation, and fitting in a few cases. The more complex explanation is that the convincing Democratic victory on Tuesday demonstrates that much of the agenda and ideas the right wing has been pushing (free market theory, social conservatism, etc.) for the couple of decades is deeply flawed. The right-wingers – the true ones, not the opportunists like Palin – have so convinced themselves of the superiority of their viewpoint that they are having a hard time facing up to the reality that they aren’t as correct and popular as they thought they were…
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    Which, considering that they are right-wingers, is no great suprise. What we’re witnessing is the right-wingers going through something like the Five Stages of Grief. They’ll come out of it eventually.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    I don’t buy into the current Pity Palin meme. Sarah Palin drew incredibly sharp and aggressive distinctions about the “good people” that are grown in “small towns” and “real America” versus “the elite” who “don’t see America as we do.” She RAN on the superiority of her and her tribe’s morality. Time to close the loop on that morality before packing it up for 2012.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Dee-
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    A lot of republican staff types sat this one out. The ones who didn’t are going to have the L affixed to their foreheads, and will be finished. Democrats go back to losing strategists over and over again. Republicans, not so much.
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    (Note that Obama did not employ the usual suspects in his campaign.)

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Yes Jay and Art–
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    It seems to all be a part of a multifaceted attempt to take attention away from the decisive winner in this contest. Add to that the immediate rejection of his initial decision on chief of staff — as if bi-partisanship means do it the GOP way. I think what the GOP plan is to say while we didn’t win let’s make it about us anyway. They are going with he didn’t really beat us we beat ourselves so therefore the public really wants us. And then lets follow that up with since Obama is a lefty and he knows we are a center right country when he said change he meant moving toward our way of doing things.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    The thing is, every indictment of Palin is an indictment of McCain’s judgment and qualifications, too.
    So they oughta be careful about throwing her under the bus, ‘cuz they’re handcuffed to her.

  • beccabyrd

    There are certainly conservative forces that don’t want Palin as the New Face of the GOP. They couldn’t stand the ridicule at those co-mingling DC and NYC cocktail parties.

    Of course, there are some that realize what an unmitigated disaster her ilk has been for our country, not just their party.

    It’s the Barney Fife strategy– “Gotta nip it! Nip it in the bud!”.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    jay
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    RE: fluff thread commments
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    I think sometimes its not an apples to apples comparison to say that fluff gets more attention than something substantial. I personally read Joe Klein’s post and didnt really come up with anything substantial to add on to the post or to ask about because I think we will basically have to wait and see how everything works out AFTER Obama is sworn in. We could speculate but personally I don’t know if anybody has the answers to what motivated Ahmadenijhad to send that letter to Obama. I have been back a couple of times just to see if any trolls showed up with their usual “Obamas going to allow Iran to destroy Israel” memes but other than that I didnt feel like I had much to offer that conversation. This post is definitely fluff but I also know that it divides us up on different sides of the coin. I had a strong feeling Dee would show up on this thread because she is almost VIOLENTLY opposed to anybody criticizing Sarah Palin being a shop a holic (Dee I remember your admiration of her red jacket ;) ) I also knew some people would think the leakers were full of sh!t and others would think Sarah Palin is full of sh!t. And I would much rather debate something light hearted like this than ultra serious stuff like we all have been commenting on leading up to the election. Right now I would take all the fluff I can get!!! But in 3 years I will be back to wanting substance. Thats just my take on it.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    I get what everybody is saying and I’m sure that there are a lot of complex reasons why people react to what they do. but I’ve seen a lot of losing campaigns and it is more typical to call out bad strategy than bad actors. But in this case its not just the other side. Even Democrats and msm types seem to be pinning this victory on the outside, beyond the control of the candidate events rather than the superiority of the Obama campaign. Oh yeah they mention it every now and then but in every story the turning point is September 15th when the economy collapsed. It’s like the collapse triggered a default switch to Obama rather than his victory was the result of a superior strategic vision that positioned him to be able to take advantage of the economic down turn. — no it was all a happy accident the luck of the Irish. yeah right.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Dee,
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    They use the financial crisis in the same manner. They want to make it seem that Obama could do no wrong and they could do no right after the crisis hit and therefore Obama shouldn’t get much credit. But as I said yesterday, if on Sept 15 McCain could have said he was deferring to his VP choice Mitt Romney who helped to save the olympics to come up with a plan to lead the country out of this financial crisis we very well would all be here commiserating today instead of celebrating. That they won’t admit that publically shows that they are either really that clueless or that they don’t want anyone to believe that the black man had a better strategy and made better decisions than they did.

  • choska

    It’s fascinating watching “small c” conservatives like Andrew Sullivan battle it out with the right-wing Republican party apparatchiks like William Kristol. The fascinating part is that the are both entirely delusional, and that delusion is what fuels their debate.

    Sullivan equates good government with small government, and that is true to the extent that the government shouldn’t over regulate people’s personal lives. But he is delusional if he thinks that small government with a limited role in regulating the market is the answer to everything. To his credit he realizes that the instrument of conservative beliefs, the US Republican Party, is completely corrupt.

    Kristol and the rest of the neo-cons are simply delusional. They don’t give a crap about the Country or the people who live in it. To them we are simply lab rats to be subjected to their crazy political theories.

    What’s pathetic is that there are still tens of millions of people who voted for the massively corrupt and intellectually bankrupt Republican Party because they honestly believe that the Republican theories of supply-side economics, hyper-aggressive militarism, and government-mandated social behavior will actually help them or anyone else.

    This is not to say that the Democratic Party is flawless. In fact the opposite is true. The Democratic Party is barely less corrupt than the Republicans. But at least their intellectual has been proven correct and ahead of the curve for decades.

    Nearly every single issue that those “crazy hippie liberals” have advocated have been proven correct, eventually. Working backwards the “liberals” have been right about the Iraq war, the war in Afghanistan, global warming, banking deregulation, investment in cops on the street and soft military power, regulation of carbon-producing energy, the establishment and increase of CAFE standards, Medicare, the civil rights amendment, and the economic practices and policies that were put in place after the Great Depression to help build a social safety net: Social Security, TVA, and the public works projects that built the dams in the West.

    And every time these policies were put in place you had the Republican Party and conservatives there to retard our society and our country.

    When I read right wing columnists and bloggers I realize that PT Barnum was right, there IS a sucker born every minute. Happily the majority of the American people decided to ignore fools like Kristol, Limbaugh, and Lieberman this time.

    Let’s hope the good thinking continues for a few years so we can make progress before the Republicans begin their campaign to start fooling people again.

  • rmrd

    Most MSM outlets did not touch Palin’s relationship to a secessionist group. Now we learn that at least Fox was hiding more very damaging information on the VP candidate. Why were facts hidden?

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    Don’t bogart the spray tanner, Todd.

  • piper1

    Dee has a great point. When you hear McCain’s loss being blamed on the economic crisis, you’ll note that no one ever refers to HIS HANDLING OF SAID CRISIS. Its all about some outside force that McCain couldn’t over come. But why couldn’t he?
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    Maybe if he’d embraced a meaningful change (like, hmmm, not proposing ANOTHER BIG CAPITOL GAINS CUT) to deal with the crisis, and hadn’t looked like a particularly old chicken with his head cut off, he could have prevailed. He could have opposed the bailout substantively and come up with a better policy. He could have reacted more appropriately in the beginning instead of instinctively defending President Bush by chiming in that the “fundamentals are strong.” He could have passed over his transparently stupid “campaign suspension” gimmick. He could have looked calm, cool, rational and understanding- like President-Elect Obama.
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    John McCain lost this election because his opponent was far smarter, quicker, more thoughtful, a better strategist, calmer, and demonstrably more presidential. Barack Obama WON. John McCain LOST. And as others have noted, anyone who wants to pin this on Palin needs to go back to the corrupt dope who picked her in the first place: John Sydney McCain III.
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    The George W Bush of his storied family.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Politics is the manipulation of symbols. Palin was all symbol. It is substantive and not fluff to defuse the power of Palin the symbol and not leave it out in some field to explode in the electorate’s face at a later date. There are millions of Americans who throw their allegiance to people who are “one of them” and “have a good heart.” Showing Sarah Palin’s true colors is part of a process to lift that veil from people’s eyes and make inroads into self-destructive tribal voting patterns.

  • piper1

    Dee has a great point. When you hear McCain’s loss being blamed on the economic crisis, you’ll note that no one ever refers to HIS HANDLING OF SAID CRISIS. Its all about some outside force that McCain couldn’t over come. But why couldn’t he?
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    Maybe if he’d embraced a meaningful change (like, hmmm, not proposing ANOTHER BIG CAPITOL GAINS CUT) to deal with the crisis, and hadn’t looked like a particularly old chicken with his head cut off, he could have prevailed. He could have opposed the bailout substantively and come up with a better policy. He could have reacted more appropriately in the beginning instead of instinctively defending President Bush by chiming in that the “fundamentals are strong.” He could have p@$$ed over his transparently stupid “campaign suspension” gimmick. He could have looked calm, cool, rational and understanding- like President-Elect Obama.
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    John McCain lost this election because his opponent was far smarter, quicker, more thoughtful, a better strategist, calmer, and demonstrably more presidential. Barack Obama WON. John McCain LOST. And as others have noted, anyone who wants to pin this on Palin needs to go back to the corrupt dope who picked her in the first place: John Sydney McCain III.
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    The George W Bush of his storied family.

  • Friar Tuck

    I was informed this morning via conference call that I have been “down-sized.” This is NOT the sort of thing you want to read at a time like this.
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    “Redistributing the wealth,” indeed! For shame.

  • Cliff

    Spray on tanners are so new money.

  • Cliff

    Sorry to hear about that, Friar Tuck.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    SG–
    .
    Exactly. I should have known you’d get me. Now how about joining my crusade to liberate the red leather jacket from RNC custody.

    Piper–
    .
    I never thought about it but yes John Sydney McCain is kind of like W. I think even his mother had a similar reaction to Barbara when he told her he was running for President. I think she called him dumb if I’m not mistaken. According to Oliver Stone Barbara just dropped her jaw and said say what…

  • Karen Tumulty

    KT here—
    Friar: I am so sorry to hear this. As you know, you have plenty of company, and a year from now, when you’ve figured out your next move, you may well be looking back at this as a blessing. But in the meantime, please keep us posted.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Friar
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    I like everyone else here am saddened to hear about your situation. I know that words don’t solve your problems but I will be putting out some prayers for you and yours that you will weather this storm and find yourself better for it on the other side! God bless.

  • piper1

    Dee,
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    I’ve always thought McCain was the natural heir to Bush in so many ways. But in terms of family and black sheep dynamics: both are underachieving flyboy scions of famous political families with big time daddy issues who always wanted to one-up their old men. Bush won a Pyrrhic victory- by winning reelection but failing catastrophically from there- but McCain just could never pass his father and grandfather’s rank.
    .
    Beyond that, neither men would have been granted anything like the opportunities and second chances they were afforded were it not for preferential treatment on account of their famous families- Bush in the National Guard and all of his business ventures (the only guy who couldn’t find oil in Texas), and McCain in the Navy. I don’t think Mr. McCain would have even been allowed to fly the final plane he crashed in Vietnam on account of his terrible record crashing planes in other situations. And he seemed to have at the very least gotten off very easy in the USS Forrester incident.
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    We dodged a big bullet by not having that erratic hothead at the helm of the most powerful nation on earth. I am eternally grateful that the Man McCain prevailed over the Myth of McCain and the American people saw it, electing the best man for the job in Barack Hussein Obama.

  • piper1

    moderator sucks. down with moderator

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Friar, I’m so sorry. You’re obviously competent, so I’ll wish you luck, and hope that you don’t need it.

  • Hammerlock

    Back in ought-three, I was in the same boat FT–victim of the IT/Telecom implosion. Barely scraped by doing freelance work/temping for 6 months until I got a good contract job and then a permanent position–with the company that originally downsized me (and where I’m still at today).
    .
    Its hard now, and will only get worse in the interim, but it will pass. Just gotta pound the pavement and do what you need to, to get by until things improve.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Friar, I’m so sorry. You’re obviously competent, so I’ll wish you luck, and hope that you don’t really need it.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Sorry to hear about your situation friar tuck I know personally that this might seem like the worst time for this kind of thing to happen but keep your chin-up. Being down-sized on a conference call means that this is not the kind of place where a thoughtful person wants to be anyway so they don’t deserve you and now you’ll be free to find that better fit.

  • Hammerlock

    Moderation is soooo bad.
    Repost:
    Friar–Back in ought-three, I was in the same boat–victim of the IT/Telecom implosion. Barely scraped by doing freelance work/temping for 6 months until I got a good contract job and then a permanent position–with the company that originally downsized me (and where I’m still at today).
    .
    Its hard now, and will only get worse in the interim, but it will pas5. Just gotta pound the pavement and do what you need to, to get by until things improve.

  • Hammerlock

    I give up on the modding. KT, please just release one of the comments if/when you can.

    FT–my condolences; stay strong.

  • queencersei

    Sorry Friar. That happened to me in 2000 during the dot com bust. My job at HP went to Costa Rica. Though I heard that it eventually was brought back to the states. Go figure. I also heard that they are paying the workers $2.00 an hour less then me and my group made. Chin up!

  • amanaplanacanal

    Dang, FT. Sorry to hear that.

  • Friar Tuck

    Wow!
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    Thank you, all. My belief in a provident God remains unfazed. It’ll be OK.
    .
    Again, thanks. Wow!

  • bbpdx

    These guys get the charge card and go for the silk boxers and spray-on tanner.
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    Bumpkins.

  • bbpdx

    Friar, I’m sorry to hear your bad news. I was downsized from my last job, with a brand new baby at home. I was scared out of my mind, but found my current job doing something slightly different – and it turned out 100 times better! Losing tha job is one of the best things that’s ever happened to me.
    .
    Hang in there! And remember it happens to 95% of people during their careers.

  • jarais

    the L.A. Times reports that a Republican National Committee lawyer is headed to Alaska to inventory and retrieve the items still in her possession.

    Oh, no! Will Piper have to give up her Louis Vuitton bag?
    .
    We dodged a bullet, y’all.

  • g_crush

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    Friar Tuck: I was informed this morning via conference call that I have been “down-sized.”
    .
    Sorry to hear that. It was my turn on Monday; the company I worked for had to reduce everything to core operations, and I wasn’t core enough.
    .
    For anyone out there who thinks that what goes on in government doesn’t affect you, think again.

  • southernbell49

    I want Palin smacked down hard, once and for all.

    I get ill when I hear pundits talk about her “natural political ability”.

    The woman has NO political ability. She is charismatic and reads speeches very well but you can tell she has no interest in what politics is actually about, that she has no desire to do anything with her political power. It’s just a flashy job for an ambitious person.

    SNL was dead on when Tina Fey as Palin said she wanted to be the “white Oprah”.

    So, as far as I’m concerned, these stories should be aired and get lots of attention.

  • southernbell49

    Friar, I’m so sorry about your situation.

  • Hammerlock

    SB–as much as that might be sweet, delicious justice ( http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e74/flemco/neo-con-tears.jpg ) I think it would be the better fate for her to be relegated back to the Arctic wastes–to the obscurity from whence she came.
    .
    Of course, the good money is still on Senator Palin in 3 months, but we’ll see.

  • ivb3016

    Friar and g_crush, So sorry to learn about the down-sizes. Will have you both in thoughts and look forward to hearing about a good upside.

  • rose83

    Think of it this way, a statement like that almost HAS to be true because the average person is going to think its not. It would serve no purpose if it was a lie because most people would dismiss it out of hand anyway like rose83 did yesterday. So what motivation would they have to lie about something that most people would have a hard time believing in the first place? In my opinion THATS what makes it all the more believable to me.

    sgwhiteinfla, I think you’re overestimating their intelligence. I made that mistake many times during the primaries and GE. But eventually I realized that yes, they are that stupid and incompetent. They would run an incompetent smear campaign against Palin.

    friar and g_crush, so sorry, and good luck with the job search. This economy is a disaster. I’m thinking about going to grad school soon, but I’m not sure that this is the best time to go into debt…

  • judgementz

    I am sorry about your downsizing, I have been out of work for 6 months now which is one reason that I haven’t been around. I hope that your part of the country is more resilient that here in Atlanta.

    OT: I think this is so sleazy. How much does it cost to cloth a family of seven with all new clothes. I mean why are people talking about this as opposed to trying to figure out with almost 2% of federal revenue went to earmarks last year and that doesn’t enclude the 130 billion to sweeten the bailout deal. Maybe we should be more concerned about that money.

  • davemc321

    Friar Tuck,

    I share your pain. I’ve dodged a buyout and two layoffs at the newspaper I worked, finally taking a buyout in September. I walked off a job of 27 years and loved every day. A month later, about two dozen colleagues were laid off. My mother-in-law keeps calling me retired. I’m unemployed.

    It’s a scary time, but it’s also a time to refit yourself for a new worklife. Hang tough. It’s scary but you’re going to be fine. Trust me.

  • billiecat

    Campbell Brown, for all her Bullschtick, is right: My own eyes told me Palin was god-awful. The pile on by those who kept her propped up for the last nine weeks just tells me the people around her were god-awful, too.

  • textee

    Karen Tumulty alleges: “On top of the $150,000 first outlined in Federal Election Commission filings, Palin spent ‘tens of thousands of dollars’ on additional clothing, makeup and jewelry for herself and her family, including $40,000 in luxury goods for her husband, Todd, our colleague Michael Shear reports.” Evidence provided by Tumulty to support that allegation? Answer: The political advocacy group called the Washington Post says that Michael Shear said so.

    Karen Tumulty also alleges: “The campaign was charged for silk boxer shorts, spray tanners and 13 suitcases to carry all the designer clothes, according to two GOP insiders.” Evidence provided by Tumulty to support that allegation? Answer: “[T]wo” alleged “GOP insiders” allegedly alleged it to be so, according to the allegation of the Washington Post.

    Do any of the leftist political activists at political advocacy group Time magazine know what evidence is?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    How does McCain show his face on the international stage after introducing the idiot Palin to them as a qualified leader ready to engage the world? They’ve gotta be laughing at him behind his back and he must know that.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    rose83
    .
    Trust me I don’t give those bozos ANY credit. My point is the stuff that came out about NAFTA and Africa would make no sense in any way shape or form to say unless it were true. Remember again that this particular stuff was told to Cameron well before they lost the election. So its not that they were trying to bury her with that info on Wednesday. Thats something that they didnt mind saying when they still had a prayer of a chance of winning. And again I personally know people who would get confused about Africa being a country or not. None of them were running for VP though. My suggestion is that you google her debate performances from when she was running for governer. I watched one of the debates from beginning to end and it was apparent that she didnt know a lot. But what she was able to do was to take any question and frame the answer with stuff she did sorta know about like fishing and mining and oil. Being a good politician doesnt necessarily mean you have to be a knowledgeable person. Let us not forget that Michele Bachmann was just voted back into office after showing herself to be absolutely positively batsh!t crazy!
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    I am kinda hoping Palin ends up in the Senate after Stevens is kicked out so her particular brand of crazy is on full display for the country to see

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    textee – If you don’t think that KT knows about every pair of boxer shorts bought everywhere in America, you are sadly mistaken. There is a self-storage facility outside if Newark that would absolutely blow your mind. I’ve said enough. I’ve said too much.

  • davemc321

    I know this won’t mean much to texte, since it factual, but KT isn’t alleging anything. She’s reporting was two Republicans told the Post, citing details in the Federal Election Commission filings.

    If you know Michael Sher’s making it up, prove it.

    As for ‘evidence’ of any malfeasance on Palin’s part or that of the McCain campaign over the governor’s wardrobe will come if and when charges are filed.

    Because you don’t like the news doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

  • billiecat

    Oh, good. Texte didn’t jump out a window, or if she did the window was on the garden level. I was worried.

  • davemc321

    pourme: Points for an R.E.M. reference.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Does anyone else find it ironic that our society has organized around the premise that a free ind independent press is a reliable way to seek the truth. Much like science, the process of competition and certain minimal standards guarantee that while what you might read might be subject to correction and slanted by wishful thinking and partisan posturing, it nevertheless has a sufficient grounding in reality that most people actually rely on it to inform them of what is happening in the world.

    What then are we to assume about an individual who insists against all evidence that absolutely EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS WRONG!!!???.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    @dave – Ha! Big fan. Cat’s Cradle. Chapel Hill. Late 80′s. Skinny tie.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Does anyone else find it ironic that our society has organized around the premise that a free and independent press is a reliable way to seek the truth. Much like science, the process of competition and certain minimal standards guarantee that while what you might read might be subject to correction and slanted by wishful thinking and partisan posturing, it nevertheless has a sufficient grounding in reality that most people actually rely on it to inform them of what is happening in the world.

    What then are we to a$$ume about an individual who insists against all evidence that absolutely EVERYTHING WE KNOW IS WRONG!!!???.

  • kbanginmotown

    @Friar: Sorry to hear. Hang in there. Could be worse…could be rainin’. (It is here in Michigan…)
    @wvng#11(et.al): I read the Nixon post…great history lesson. Where it misses the mark, IMO, is that Nixon had the intelligence and professional background to muster enough -gravitas- to see him through to a rebirth. Palin, I believe, is more like Dan Quayle. If you recall, there were any number of Time/Newsweek articles in the mid-90′s that documented/speculated about Q’s efforts to form a network of supporters that would back him for POTUS in 2000. The story goes that Q’s network was GHWB’s network, and when W decided to run, it was over for Q. Perhaps. But it still would have been a very, VERY tough task to sell Quayle as POTUS material, even after having been out of office for 8 years. To put it another way: why was Quayle not running in 2008? He’s still in his 60′s. The fact is that he is and will always be a footnote in history. Much like Palin will be…politically, at least. (Watch out, Oprah!)

  • southernbell49

    Here’s something from Newsweek (KT, excuse me for mentioning the competition and truly I rarely visit the site):

    “The day of the third debate, Palin refused to go onstage with New Hampshire GOP Sen. John Sununu and Jeb Bradley, a New Hampshire congressman running for the Senate, because they were pro-choice and because Bradley opposed drilling in Alaska. The McCain campaign ordered her onstage at the next campaign stop, but she refused to acknowledge the two Republican candidates standing behind her. McCain himself rarely spoke to Palin (perhaps once a week when they were not traveling together, estimated one adviser). Aides kept him in the dark about Palin’s spending on clothes because they were sure he’d be offended. In his concession speech, McCain praised Palin, but the body language between them onstage was not particularly friendly. (Palin had asked to speak; Schmidt vetoed the request.)”

    So, how on earth are the Repugs going to expand their base if their candidate for “leader” won’t make nice with other GOPers when campaigning?

  • ivb3016

    McCain praised Palin, but the body language between them onstage was not particularly friendly.
    .
    OTOH, it was more friendly than the body language with Cindy onstage at the end.
    .
    Sorry, my mean spirited persona won out.

  • Karen Tumulty

    KT here–
    just liberated 22 comments.

  • textee

    “Here’s something from Newsweek (KT, excuse me for mentioning the competition and truly I rarely visit the site):

    “The day of the third debate, Palin refused to go onstage with New Hampshire GOP Sen. John Sununu and Jeb Bradley, a New Hampshire congressman running for the Senate, because they were pro-choice, ….”

    southernbell49

    Sen. John Sununu is pro-abortion? Southernbell49 might want to tell the leftist useful idiots at Newsweek that John Sununu has a 100% voting record from the National Right to Life. He ain’t pro-abortion. Consequently, the allegation allegedly made by some leftist dupe at Newsweek that Palin “refused to go on stage with New Hapshire GOP Sen. John Sununu” because he is pro-abortion if false. How many useful idiots does Newsweek have who blindly swallow that leftist bilge? As many as Time magazine?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    BREAKING: Pictures of Todd Palin after his shopping and spray tan binge have been made public:
    http://www.frakincool.com/images/gino3.jpg
    http://www.frakincool.com/images/gino6.jpg

    …this is not a Photoshop job, this is your country people.

  • Friar Tuck

    Thanks, davemc321!
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    As of this moment, I am hereby “retired.”
    .
    What do yo think, g_crush?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Ok, fess up, Cincy – you got these from http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com, didn’t you? If you didn’t, that’s where you’re going to send ‘em, right?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    Tuck & g_crush, like others, I’m sorry to hear of your recent financial uneasiness. I had to take a job 350 miles away from home, driving back and forth every other week, to support my family. Obama, like me, does not have a magic wand to make every bad thing – like Repugs – disappear, but I expect that, once the adults start working on our problems, things will get better. I just hope you folks can hold out that long, if you don’t find something to tide you over sooner.

  • stevebeste

    KT – - Love your new bio about lowering average salaries at UT-A and HBS.

  • ficheye

    I’ve never seen so many ‘off topic’ comments. We’re talking about Sarah Palin and her dimwit husband Todd, who should also have known better since he was an ad hoc government employee.

    Here’s the REAL point: Sarah Palin was INSTANTLY corruptible. As soon as she sniffed out the possibility of freebies and perks, JUST LIKE TED STEVENS, she got busy taking advantage of it all. Just like showing up at a friends buffet with a suitcase full of tupperware, then proceeding to fill all the containers. Even though it seems gossipy, the nation is in dire financial straights, and what she did was to spend about a quarter of a million dollars on stuff for her and Todd.

    A lot of Alaskans (and I know a lot of Alaskans) have a similar mentality. They feel that they are not really part of the ‘lower 48′. But they wouldn’t even exist as a state if someone ‘down here’ didn’t buy the damn place. Jesus. I guess all those secessionists forgot about that. Maybe they can buy it back. Let’s see the money!!! And we’re not gonna take polar bear skins in trade either.

    And how are those clothes EVER going to be sold or given to charity? It’s going to cost money to sell them. What a strange and circular screwup. But after the last eight years (and, yes, many, many Alaskans voted for George Bush the Moron), the Republicans don’t know any other way to act. Grrrrr.

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