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Neogone

Ok. I don’t want to have too much fun at the expense of the neocons licking their wounds and behaving with characteristic obtuseness small-minded churlishness over at Commentary. Let Matt Duss do that. But I do feel much safer now that there is no chance that the neoconservatives will have a say in U.S. national security and foreign policy. Indeed, what has emerged during the past few months is a centrist consensus, including most of the Bush 41 foreign policy team, the uniformed military, Barack Obama and the Democratic Party’s best known experts, on the way to proceed in Iraq, Afghanistan, talks with Syria and Iran and many of the other problems we face in the greater Middle East. 

Still, I would also like to encourage Randy Scheunemann, Bill Kristol et al to continue to coalesce around Sarah Palin–her intellectual rigor and clarity, especially on foreign policy, indicate that she represents the real future of the neoconservative movement.

Finally, this piece by Sam Tanenhaus is a very perceptive look at the problems facing the Republican Party.

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  • 53_3

    Joe, do you consider yourself GOP or independant?
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    I’m asking seriously. No axes to grind here.
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    I am absolutely thrilled that the Neocons have expired. Like PUMAs and the likes of Salter, who went with “back of the bus stuff” because “the media and Obama made us do it” (quotes not exact).
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    I look forward to seeing just what the GOP reconsitoots itself as. I’m pretty sure that there will be seveal abortive attempts (pun intended!)…

  • JJ

    Tanenhaus is important to watch. This AEI talk was great:

    http://www.aei.org/events/eventID.1550/event_detail.asp (the MP3 is in the upper right hand corner.)

    Jim Sleeper’s analysis of Tanenhaus’s talk was great too (a bit on the intellectual side, but worth trying to wade through the density).

  • JJ

    I am absolutely thrilled that the Neocons have expired.

    I’m not so sure about that… we’ll see.

  • piper1

    Neogone… I love it! We have been neoconned for too long and now the party is over. The best man for the job won the presidency and the adults are back in charge.
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    A new era has dawned…

  • 53_3

    I love it too. Wonder where Liebermann will be wandering these days? That scab has some thinkin’ to do – maybe what he needs to do is start thinking “USA” instead of “Israel”.
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    After all, Isreal has their own politicians.
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    Neogene Period, according to wiki:
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    “The Neogene is a geologic period and system starting 23.03 ± 0.05 million years ago and lasting either until today or ending 2.588 million years ago with …”
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    I’m going to say that “today” in that quote just might be “November 4, 2008″.

  • kathy

    Reading around this morning it astonishes me how many Republicans think they lost because they didn’t game this correctly. May their stars ever rise. But Jeb Bush and Pawlenty seem like they understand that the party has to stand for something in a positive way, and that they have to stop pushing away every constituency if they want to win.
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    I’m also surprised how many Republicans think the answer is to push “small government.” Most Americans now see that as “incompetent government that doesn’t deliver services but charges us for a big government.” We should have a motto contest

  • kathy

    Piper – re: the adults being in charge. I was surprised that Obama called out the politics of Washington as being “immature” in his election speech. Accurate, but it usually gets called by other partisan names. This is just an accurate description.

  • bobcn1

    ‘Still, I would also like to encourage Randy Scheunemann, Bill Kristol et al to continue to coalesce around Sarah Palin–her intellectual rigor and clarity, especially on foreign policy, indicate that she represents the real future of the neoconservative movement.’
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    Brilliant!!

  • thislittlepiggygoes

    what about the fact that dennis ross may be obamas key advisors on all things middle east. he might not be as hardcore as the richard perles of the world but he certainly is a fellow traveller of the neocons. at best it will signal a return to clintonian positions. and while that seems like a breath of fresh air considering the last 8 years, i suspect a certain staleness to obama foreign policy advisors in this region. i hope im wrong.

  • 53_3

    BTW, has anyone done a fairly impartial analysis that shows who in the new consituted House and Senate on both sides are moderates?
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    I would really like to see how the moderates on both sides did!

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    You are overanalyzing Scheunemann. He’s in a bad Saved By The Bell episode – the one where he disrespects his plain girlfriend to go for the hot chick, who in turn dumps him and then he has no one with whom to go to the prom. It’s all covered by SBTB episodes

  • stuartzechman

    I, for one thank God we that have a Centrist consensus.

    If we didn’t, we’d make colossal and horrible foreign policy mistakes, like invading a country that hadn’t threatened us, and then occupying that bitterly divided nation with a force level insufficient to check civil war and sporadic instances of genocide.

    Thank the Lord that the Centrists were there to prevent the neo-Conservatives from f**king up our national interests so badly.

    O what would we do without Centrists and their always-right consensus?

    Why, we’d have to rely on the opinions and strategies of those distasteful leftists! We’d have to accept as legitimate the judgment of people who, I don’t know, made speeches before the invasion about how the neo-Conservatives were wrong and about to take the country in a predictably disastrous direction.

    Thank you, thank you, thank you Centrist consensus-makers!

    I can’t wait for the Centrist consensus policy judgment to help our country do the smart thing year after year once again!

  • centfan

    JJ Says:
    Thursday, November 6, 2008 at 12:03 pm
    I am absolutely thrilled that the Neocons have expired.

    I’m not so sure about that… we’ll see.

    I’m with you JJ. They might not get the second seat at the Sunday news talk shows but I see the white sheets and church burnings appearing again. This country is far more polarized than the media will ever (ever) show. A bunch of folks just lost their privileged status and their “birthright”.

  • 53_3

    bobcn1:
    I hope that they simply collapse into their own ideological black hole and suck the rest of those Neocons with him.
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    Can any remind me of just why I should continue to capitalize “Neoconservative”?

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    53: Can any remind me of just why I should continue to capitalize “Neoconservative”?

    Dunno. Strikes me more as a swear word. Like the pejorative “[letter-after-M]igger.”

  • pintortwo

    Palin / Scheunemann 2012!!
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    The perfect combination of faith and ideology. If the republicans don’t want them they can run on the End-of-Days ticket.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    sz, thanks for the 2002 Obama speech link! It’s hel! being right, isn’t it?

  • 53_3

    centfan:
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    Many on my wife’s side of the family have voiced their concerns about possible backlashes by those “angry white males”.
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    It has definitely been on the minds of a lot of people I’ve talked to, but what’s interesting is that their beacons (Hannity, Rush, etc.) have been strangely silent or absent.
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    When the GOP finds it has a reasonable shot at maybe 40% of the electorate that just kicked it’s eeeeelektorial azz in such sound fashion, they might just pay more attention to John Boehmer’s comments in the piece Joe posted.

  • JJ

    From Tanenhaus’s piece:
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    “The key word in Mr. Gerson’s analysis is “movement,” a term more applicable to moral or spiritual crusades than to the practical matters of governance, particularly governance in a two-party system, where success almost invariably requires compromise, consensus and a mind open to all manner of workable solutions.
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    These have not been, historically, the strength of “movement conservatives,” who prefer arguments built on first principles often expressed in supercharged rhetoric. “Conservatives seem to have a genius for winning the all-important semantic battles…”
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    This is exactly right. They argue on a *semantic* basis–they argue like lawyers, not problem solvers. Often, semantic manipulation is more important to them than reality. A perfect example is this political press and climate change hearing with Inhofe’s flak Marc Morano:
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    http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/29/11225/543
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    There’s no reasonable discussion of the truth. Shared empirical fact hardly ever makes an appearance. It’s all about the semantics and perception manipulation.
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    More from Tanenhaus:
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    “The topics scheduled for the conservative conference on Thursday, according to one participant, include a discussion of how to rebuild a “national grass-roots political and policy coalition” modeled on the one conservatives put together in the 1970s, when in the waning days of liberal hegemony, Beltway organizations like the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation extruded position papers, and publications like The Public Interest and Commentary became citadels of conservative ideology.”
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    This time, the tiny left wing conspiracy has to be ready for them…

  • JJ

    “Movement conservative.” It’s an oxymoron, isn’t it?

  • Andy from MA

    At long as the MSM gives them a platform (i.e., gives them space in newspapers, as a talking head on cable news, and on radio talk shows) they’re not going awat anytime soon.
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    It didn’t seem to affect Michelle Bachmann’s politcal career.

  • Mr. Nice Guy

    “Movement conservative.” “Bowel movement.” Is there a difference?

  • 53_3

    “Dunno. Strikes me more as a swear word. Like the pejorative “[letter-after-M]igger.”
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    Pseudo-code rocks!
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    Thinking more on it, the perjoritive you described is what the ignorant GOP base imagined Black Americans to be, and “Neoconservative” describes what we imagine them to be.
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    And in reality, neither one exists!

  • 53_3

    test
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    using UNIX…
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    yah!

  • 53_3

    Mr. Nice Guy:
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    Just got back form a summons by nature, and I am happy to report that the is no difference!

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    First Chalabi and now Palin.

    That Randy Scheunemann guy needs to pick his friends a little more carefully!

  • pierogielunaire (formerly superterrificdelegate)

    Overcome by a wave of Schadenfreude, I tuned the radio to Glenn Beck just to see how incoherent he could be. It was marvelous to hear him suggest that maybe, just maybe McCain staffers were attacking Palin because she was a real reformer! Bwahahahaha! That’s right, Glenn. You stand up and fight for the real reformer!

  • southernbell49

    Piero, a little Schadenfreude is allowed when it comes to the Neogones and Palin.

    History’s view of presidents changes with the decades. Imo, LBJ’s stock will rise and Reagan’s will fall. Reagan will always get credit for his part in ending the Evil Empire but his economic philosophy has been deeply discredited and his heirs are obsessed with the personal lives of their fellow citizens above all else.

    Political movements in the long run are often judged by who comes after the initiator of the movement, who picks up the mantle. The spawn of Reagan do not have very much to recommend them.

  • centfan

    Fuuny thing 53_3 is that I’m finding it hard to find anyone to talk to about it. Sure, I know friends and family that went Obama, but at work almost no white guy thought he was worth the risk. Wide open racist that they freely joke about… although, of course, Obama and his supporters are the racists. This stuff will go underground. There will be Timothy McVeigh’s running around all over.

  • pierogielunaire (formerly superterrificdelegate)

    Agreed, Southern. I’m trying not to wallow in the ol’ Schadenfruede because of all the crises we face as a country, but watching the wingnuts go after each other is certainly satisfying.

  • ivb3016

    Breaking – Rahm has accepted and North Carolina has been called for Obama.

  • Cliff

    Still, I would also like to encourage Randy Scheunemann, Bill Kristol et al to continue to coalesce around Sarah Palin–her intellectual rigor and clarity, especially on foreign policy, indicate that she represents the real future of the neoconservative movement.
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    Where’s Rusty? He can tell us if they’ve elected her to be Grand High Wizard yet.

  • midnight05

    Victor Gold, in his book, Invasion of the Party Snatchers, outlined the damage that the neocons and the religious right has wrought on the old fiscally-sane and privacy-valuing GOP. The party is going to have to purge that element out if it is going to be a national party again. It has to talk with the center and moderate elements of their party as well as the same elements of the Democrats.

    Right now, the GOP and its Conservative movement is walking about but beginning to experience the effects of an infestation as dangerous to its health as the Ebola virus. The 2006 and 2008 elections are the first rise in temperature and it will soon be bedridden unless its immmune system kicks in. George Will, David Brooks, Christopher Buckley and others have warned of this but the party was courting the basest parts of its imagined base.

  • wvng

    centfan: “This stuff will go underground. There will be Timothy McVeigh’s running around all over.”
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    I am more than a little bit worried that you are right. No obvious national leadership to contain them, lots of weapons, brains the size of peas, paranoid delusions, insecurity complexes the size of a small state, and a McCain/Palin campaign that went out of its way to feed their grievances.

  • 53_3

    centfan:
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    I think it’s a good thing to push it underground. In essence, the GOP stand on the place of hate in political discourse ( How many times have I heard them say that doing otherwise is surpressing the “diversity of opinion”?) has been refuted.
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    The Secret Service will have to work very hard to keep up. I’m hoping that they are up to it.
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    To make an even pointier point, FOX news now has to behave itself. Five or so months ago, Nugent’s death threat was a matter for red meat hungry politicos (I don’t believer that, btw), but now, if those guys aren’t careful, they may run up against national security issues.
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    BTW, does anyone know whether Chertoff can be dismissed by the POTUS?

  • wvng

    George Will:
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    “Although John McCain’s loss was not as numerically stunning as the 1964 defeat of Barry Goldwater, who won 16 fewer states and 122 fewer electoral votes than McCain seems to have won as of this writing, Tuesday’s trouncing was more dispiriting for conservatives. Goldwater’s loss was constructive; it invigorated his party by reorienting it ideologically. McCain’s loss was sterile, containing no seeds of intellectual rebirth.”
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/11/a_few_gop_brightspots.html

  • Deggjr

    From the article, the agenda includes “a discussion of how to rebuild a “national grass-roots political and policy coalition”.
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    I hope the agenda also includes a discussion on what would be best for the country and a discussion on the Constitution.

  • smartpeopleiknow

    It’s time for the postneocons. PoNoCos? :)

  • judgementz

    Well now all you Obama worshipers got what you asked for and we will see what happens. I personally hope he is not challenged because I feel he doesn’t have the experience as was his handling of the Georgia incident that he bungled. We see it wasn’t 6 hours after he was elected that Russia already started flexing their muscles. I guess we will find out the tensil of this steel spin even quicker than Joe thought.

    So now that you guys have all the reigns, now the conservatives can sit back and tear down and heckle every idea you guys have just like Dems have done for the past 8 years. I have a feeling you guys are going to way over reach given what Barney Frank, Pelosi and Reid have been saying. Your only hope is that Obama very cautious however, that isn’t in his record either. Maybe the populous will get even dumber over the next four years.

    It is poetic justice that Obama got elected, because now he can deal with the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae mess that Carter started and now he can’t weasle out of the blame either. I think the Trillions and unprecidented spending to come is just sause for the goose. The dems got us here and now they will have to clean up their own mess. Instead of blaming someone else. He might have gotten away with running a campaign against Bush this time but, that won’t fly again.

  • ivb3016

    BTW, does anyone know whether Chertoff can be dismissed by the POTUS?

    Tom Ridge “resigned” so Bush could appoint Chertoff, so I don’t think there’s any reason why Chertoff couldn’t be asked to resign and be replaced.

  • Ffred

    The election’s over but not the entertainment. Hail Swampland!

  • You Know Me

    I just love heavy sarcasm days.

  • JJ

    …now he can deal with the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae mess that Carter started and now he can’t weasle out of the blame either.

    You guys can start your reform by not swallowing zombie false memes whole. Just the other day, Byron York of the rightie flagship National Review was out there spitting out this talking point without having any idea what a credit default swap was:

    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/10/matt_taibbi_and_byron_york_but.html

    Being a dittohead, easy. Actually doing your homework, too much like work.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    judgementz,
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    What you and the rest of the GOP apologists dont get is that the only hope YOU have is that the Dems over reach. How sad for you is it that your own party can do NOTHING to improve its stature on its own. The only way you have a shot in he11 in two years is for the Dems to make a mistake. But that leads to the obvious question. What if they don’t? Because you see in the last 2 years the people of America have announced resoundingly that they do not believe in the ideology of the Republican party. But faced with that reality you and your party would rather stick your head in the sand and blame it all on a strawman. Surely this is all a mistake. lol I wonder what you will say when your party loses even more congressional seats after 2010 because instead of changing the focus of the party yall choose to double down on something that most people don’t like.
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    Good luck with that.

  • Cliff

    So now that you guys have all the reigns, now the conservatives can sit back and tear down and heckle every idea you guys have just like Dems have done for the past 8 years.
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    BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
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    Maybe the populous will get even dumber over the next four years.
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    You’ve got a fantastic head start there, chief.
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    The dems got us here and now they will have to clean up their own mess. Instead of blaming someone else.
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    Right, you wingnuts are all about accepting responsibility for your own failures. You’re totally not trying to blame this on anyone and everyone but yourselves.

  • Matt

    There will be a real split in the party among those who blame Palin for the loss and those who see her as an infallible future leader for the conservative movement. It won;t be pretty…

    http://www.political-buzz.com/

  • wvng

    These two guys will fit right in on Beck’s new show:
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    Tim F at Balloon Juice: “Awesome. Eric Cantor and Mike Pence will take the #2 and #3 leadership spots in the House GOP. Pence stirred up some trouble when he backed Bush’s abortive immigration plan, but overall these are two of the most ideological true believers in the GOP caucus. If the GOP needs to broaden its appeal through reform then choosing these two is like putting cancer in charge of the chemo.”
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=13504

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Pence. I knew it. Who’s next, Chauncey Gardiner?

  • FlownOver

    piero – Nothing in the rule book prohibits giggling at the nutbars’ self-immolation as we work to fix the mess they left.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    is it true that the new GOP house leadership will be MORE conservative instead trying to stake a claim on the centre?

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    The GOP may lean Huckabee or Sarah Palin in 2012 while the nation nominates a moderate in the primaries again and they have trouble reconciling it with thier base – over compensating with an ultra conservative and redMeat message – leading to a resounding defeat… oh wait – isnt that what just happend? (:
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    best wishes and goodluck with everything Grand Old de-Parted
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    Its a case of political evolution – and I think if they continue on this path theyre going to bite the dust or at the very least remain in the wilderness for a long number of cycles.

  • judgementz

    Please,

    This had more to do with Bush than McCain, because Obama ran against Bush instead of McCain. The only thing as a conservative that I did like about Bush was the fact that I felt he did right by seeing it through in Iraq and the fact that we have thwarted more attacks intended for America.

    JJ,

    CRA was the start but, it is what Clinton did to the CRA in early 1993 President Bill Clinton ordered new regulations for the CRA which would increase access to mortgage credit for inner city and distressed rural communities. The new rules went into effect on January 31, 1995 and featured: requiring strictly numerical assessments to get a satisfactory CRA rating; using federal home-loan data broken down by neighborhood, income group, and race; encouraging community groups to complain when banks were not loaning enough to specified neighborhood, income group, and race; allowing community groups that marketed loans to targeted groups to collect a fee from the banks.

    Predator loan lenders made it even worse and then on top of that yes credit default swaps. However, CRA is were it started.

    I have done my homework.

  • wvng

    FL: “Nothing in the rule book prohibits giggling at the nutbars’ self-immolation as we work to fix the mess they left.”
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    I’ll match your giggle and raise you one Guffaw and a hearty Yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrsggggghhhhhhhh!
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    Good times.

  • midnight05

    I think Lieberman was thinking of Lieberman, not of Israel. I am glad to see him trumped.

    The big deal for me is that the end of the neocons will mean that the GOP (not my party, by the way) will start rethinking its basic principles of fiscal prudence and a libertarian regard for the privacy of the bedroom.

    Liberals need a healthy conservative counterweight and it was missing during the eight years of the Bush fiasco. The religious right and its anti-science, anti-freedom agenda has got to be purged along with the neocon warhawks. Deficit awareness has to return to the center of the agenda.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    this is all so ridiculous — since when does the vanquished get to determine how the victor ought to define change? Rahm Emanuel is a perfect pick. Obama didn’t do this because he wanted a national stage for a photo-op. He has plans and he is going to pick a team that can get it done. The GOP couldn’t lead. So now they need to follow or get out of the way.

  • pintortwo

    In the wake of this election, I hope we see a more fair and responsible press. Of course, MSM is about $$, and therefore, popularity (ratings). This election may have demonstrated a rising tide of Americans not concerned with ideology and semantics- that have a personal investment in politics and policy- that value pragmatism. If true, we may see less political operatives being passed off as “experts” and less talking-points regurgitation. And that’s a good thing. Maddow and Brown come to mind as possible examples of a trend.
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    And, what midnight said…

  • pintortwo

    (counter moderation measures… comment take-two)
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    In the wake of this election, I hope we begin to see a more fair and responsible press. Of course, MSM is about $$, and therefore, popularity (ratings). This election may have demonstrated a rising tide of Americans not concerned with ideology and semantics- that have a personal investment in politics and policy- that value pragmatism. If true, we may see less political operatives being pa$$ed off as political “experts” and less talking-points regurgitation. And that’s a good thing. Maddow and Brown come to mind as possible examples of a trend.
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    And, what midnight said…

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    How do you tell the difference between a Neocon and a centrist? They worked in unison to get the country into Iraq, and are still working together, to keep the country there.

    Obama won as a liberal, not a centrist. He was called a commie, and he still won. There is no need for Obama to apologize for being a liberal, and the centrists and Neocons will just have to learn to live with it. Otherwise, they can let their misery turn to despair.

  • Ohg Rea Tone

    The NeoCon legacy is dead. Good change is measured with time. The neocon legacy died before it had a chance to get a hold. …………

    http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/11/06/obama-and-sustainable-solutions/

  • fense

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    The Republican Party is in a death spiral. Independents left, so all that remains are a few Moderates and a bunch of Wingnuts. If the Wingnuts continue to push the Moderates away by engaging in partisan politics (which, by definition, Wingnuts are prone to do), at the very time when it is painfully obvious that partisan politics is NOT what the country wants, the death spiral will continue.
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    We Democrats need to be careful to embrace the Independents and Moderate Republicans while we have the chance.
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  • Hammerlock

    Given the number of “blue dog” dems, fense, I think that is already happening.
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    We’re seeing the Left and Right realign.
    Fiscal conservatism is now going to the Democratic party. It will be a big disappointment to Rush and Hannity that this philosophy is not counter to the social programs that Dems traditionally favor–there is a difference between making sure everything is paid for and is done so responsibly, and “small/minimalist” government.
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    Its going to be a messy few years. I hope the cleanup efforts are successful and thorough, and I hope that Obama gets to make the investments into America that he’s promised (energy, infrastructure). We’ll see.
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    Until Feb, though, we have to keep in mind that Junior is still in the white house. Obama’s team will hopefully have input, but he’s not in control yet.

  • Art Pepper

    Kind of Tanenhaus to call the Democrats “pragmatic” when he really meant “spineless.”
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    “President Bush, though he lost the popular vote in 2000 [...] had little trouble pushing his first initiatives through Congress.”
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    I hope this particular characteristic of the Dems will change.

  • textee

    Joe Klein alleges: “Indeed, what has emerged during the past few months is a centrist consensus, including most of the Bush 41 foreign policy team, the uniformed military, Barack Obama and the Democratic Party’s best known experts, on the way to proceed in Iraq, Afghanistan, talks with Syria and Iran and many of the other problems we face in the greater Middle East.”

    “[T]he uniformed military, Barack Obama and the Democrat Party’s best known [so-called] experts” all in the same sentence? ROTFLMAO!!! “Indeed”!!!

    I’ll be waiting for Klein to provide the name of a single member of the 1,000,000 plus member “uniformed military” who agrees with the thoroughly unqualied community organizer’s desire to unconditionally surrender to America’s enemies in Iraq. As far as the “uniformed military” agreeing with Klein and the unqualified community organizer’s operation order on Afghanistan, I’m certain that the “uniformed military” is extremely impressed with the august military expertise of Klein and Obama “on the way to proceed”. As far as Syria and Iran, maybe Klein can provide the names of five members of the 1,000,000 plus member “uniformed military” who have devoted a single second of thought to “talks with Syria and Iran”. A company commander? A squad leader? A platoon sergeant? A division commander? A rifleman? How about the name of a single supply sergeant who is devoting his time to planning for “talks with Syria and Iran” and agrees with the thoroughly unqualified community organizer, to boot? Does anyone at Time magazine know what evidence is?

  • Hammerlock

    WB texte.

    Here’s one name: David Petraeus

    Thank you, drive through.

  • CedarFlute

    On Matt Duss’s disdain for “dumb, macho grandstanding (as) a good response to terrorism.” — It occurred to me, not long into the Iraq invasio that our response felt more like the behavior of a school-yard bully…..and I’m a Marine Viet Vet. Since then I’ve become convinced the current administration really knows nothing but the bully’s response to anything they don’t like. Thanks to Joe and Matt for articulating the problem so clearly.

  • rubypanther

    53_3,

    I think it’s rather well known that he’s a perpetually disgruntled Democrat

  • 53_3

    Did anyone tell texte that the election is over and that Obama won?
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    Anyone?
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    Never mind. I’ll just turn out this light…

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