Re: Ooof

I think she might be brain damaged.

She certainly has a high regard for herself…

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Rule of Thumb: If the government isn’t doing it, it’s not against the First Amendment.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. They believe that they’re superior to others and have little regard for other people’s feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Great. Now because of her First Amendment Rights, I can’t say anything.

That’s like saying Levi violated Bristol’s First Amendment right to say “no.”

I think Palin is a very reasonable prototype for what will remain of the Republican Party. Beyond the goofiness of suggesting that it’s unconstitutional for the media to opine on a political figure’s statements, I like the irony of the “ability to ask questions” part. I don’t notice her making herself all that available to those who have legitimate question to ask her.

What a blockhead.

That is the sort of analysis that I’m embarrassed to read on like…ESPN forums.

What’s worse, though, is the apologia from supporters who will go to great lengths to explain that while the statement may seem painfully stupid to a layperson, if you weren’t so stupid yourself, you’d understand why it’s a very thoughtful and profound position.

You’d think such a staunch supporter of the second amendment would of spent a few seconds glancing at the first one once in a while…

Sadly, this reminds me too much of political discussions with my extended family. Which is why I don’t go to see them very often.

When Palin says something of such staggering ignorance, you just want to bang your head against the wall. Maybe exile isn’t such a bad idea. I have some cousins who could accompany her.

Newfloridian, I’m transferring my response from the Ooof post here, too:
Actually there’s something worse than narcissism. Borderline Personality Disorder really does lead people to believe that “Because I did it, it’s right”. Such folk do “splitting” — a 3-year-old’s view that everything and everyone is either ALL good or ALL bad.
So if there’s a problem, and it’s MY fault, then I’m bad. But I’m good, so it can’t be MY problem, so it must be YOUR FAULT!
…, Bill Clinton!
Advice from hard-won personal experience — DO NOT marry such a person.

Unbelievable. Except it’s Palin we’re talking about, so it’s depressingly believable.

Freedom OF the Press????

I thought you said freedom FROM the Press!!!

Never Mind…..

Just remember yall. This is “Sarah being Sarah”

Lmaooooo

Ken Duberstein has now endorsed Obama.

Solution: Give Palin one of those meters and as she watches television she can turn it up or down to indicate the degree to which her Constitutional rights are being violated. You are welcome!

LOL HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

She really is retarded.
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seriously.

Palm, meet forehead.

Maybe Palin thought the subject was the Me First Amendment.

She also believes that she achieved the governorship once her pastor removed her evil spirits.
That close proximity to a country makes you an expert on that country.
That our leaders should be just like you and me- ie. average.
That McCain is a reformer.
That $150K on clothes and accessories is fine.
That politicians should bind themselves to ideology and “not blink”.
That community activism is not serious.
That many citizens of this country are not real Americans.
That a cataclysmic war in the Middle East will usher in the End of Days.

Sarah Palin, frequently wrong, never in doubt.

All her initial supporters, including McCain, admired her confidence. The problem is that they assumed the confidence was based on competence. If McCain wins … long live the King!

I have a friend who can relate to Palin. He grew up in a small town and thought he was one of the smartest people in the room. Later on in life it turned out that: 1) he underrated others in the room, and 2) they were very small rooms in a very small town.

Let her talk. She is sounding more like Dan Quayle everyday…wait a minute, that’s an insult to Quayle!

Did her mother try to dry her off in the microwave once?

Hurry back, Amy Poehler – you and Seth need to do another installment of “Really?”

Maybe Lizzy Dole can take Sarah under wing and teach her what’s appropriate to say… opps I forgot she’s getting sued for slander.

Hey KT,

If you’re listening and not at home making caramel apples, Steve Benen’s post on this includes this comment:

I realize far-right activists think Palin is a great leader and the future of the Republican Party. I just can’t figure out why.

Is he right about this? Do far-right activists think Palin is the future of the party? It doesn’t seem that plausible to me.

KT here–

Jayack: Not getting home until late. I am doing Washington Week tonight. And, yes, I think the social conservative base of the party would be thrilled at the thought that she is the future.

Dumb as a stump.

@jay – I always go back to this moment to remind myself of just how in love with Palin is the religious right. The moment she was picked, Dobson hopped on board. The instant. It’s a very strong bond.

…but perhaps the point is that social conservatives are now THE base of the party, and not longer one (albeit most noise-making) component of the base. There was, previously, a separate base composed of those that worshipped the dollar as the one true god and saw the government’s role being make the world safe for business. That, perhaps now lost base, would not have much use for Ms. Palin…

pourme,

I still contend that McCain is going to bury her after the election if they lose. She won’t know what hit her

To jayackroyd @5:33 p.m.:
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I live in probably THE most conservative part of Texas (East Texas, that northeast chunk that abuts OK, AR and LA), fervently fundamentalist/evangelical, and I can tell you that here, Caribou Barbie is like royalty. It’s disturbing. She is considered smart (I may throw up), is touted as “real” and “one of us,” and if McCain dropped out of the race tomorrow, people here wouldn’t even miss him. They’re voting for Sarah now, and they are waiting for her to lead them to the Promised Land.

@sgt – You’ve said that several times, and I have no doubt he wants to and will act on that wish, but … he will be a man without a constituency. What leverage does he have with Dobson and the religious right? I’m not trying to be argumentative, but the answer is none. They despised him the day before the Palin pick and will revert to form the day after the election. The Weekly Standard neocon crowd? They truly hated him without Palin and it’s back to the same after. So, sure McCain will say bad things, but she has the support of those constituencies and he has the support of none.

The Republican’s and their enablers in the MSM are already selling the meme that Palin was unfairly attacked by the libral media and that is why her poll numbers tanked. Her stupididty had nothing to do with it.

Sue: Poor you living amongst that school of thought. It must be that eliminating one’s right to choose is the no.1 issue for them and they believe Palin will stop at nothing to git-r-done.

Talk about taking away your first amendment rights over second amendment rights. You have GOT to read this.
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http://rawstory.com/rawreplay/?p=2315

Thanks KT, sue, pour. There are things that are just incomprehensible from here, and this is one of them.
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sg, I don’t see any chance of McCain having a whiff of power. It’s just him, Holy Joe and Huckleberry. And I don’t see how Graham can stand by him, either. Did you see the Napalitano-head to head numbers in a 2010 senate race? I doubt he runs.
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What he may try to do in his last two years is find a couple of issues to support Obama on, like immigration. But for all his talk of compromise, I don’t see any issues where there is a useful middle ground right now.
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If the campaign hadn’t been heinous, even evil, you’d be tempted to feel sorry for him. Bush drove the country over a cliff, took the party with him, and McCain may end up getting the blame for the latter.
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sue–East Texas? The home of Michelle Shocked, who sang about East Texas AND Anchorage.

I still contend that McCain is going to bury her after the election if they lose
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sg I was just having an end of the week beverage with my sister and passed your theory along. She asked if you had examples and I mumbled something about how you seem pretty on top of things.
Do you have history to support that or is it your hunch?

What a dingbat! The 1st Amendment protects the press’s freedom to question and criticize the government.

Go figure – a right wingnut doesn’t know the 1st and most important guarantee of the Bill of Rights!!

She seems to think that it’s meant to guarantee her airtime and press coverage (which, by the way, to some degree is guaranteed under the equal time rules of campaign laws, but that sure the heck is not the 1st Amendment!)

“I still contend that McCain is going to bury her after the election if they lose”

I have been curious sg-what do you base that on?

Sarah is above the constitution…after all she wants to be VP.

Thanks KT, sue, pour. There are things that are just incomprehensible from here, and this is one of them.

I posted that earlier, on top of a longer post in limbo.

Funny. Let’s open the Republican Hope Chest and see what’s in it. One thing. One tiny little thing: Murtha. It’s funny because it’s true.

Paul,
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I think its going to be an eat or be eaten situation if they lose. Sarah Palin is going to try to throw McCain under the bus because he didnt go after Obama for Rev Wright and other reasons and she is going to try to serve him up to the base on a platter. I think, no I am positive that McCain knows this and isn’t going to go quietly into that good night. He has been around too long to let it happen and the only way to stop it will be to bury her instead. I firmly believe these “leaks” about her being a rogue and a “whack job” came from McCain and if you notice it was always a response to something she did that potentially hurt him. Bringing up the 150k worth of clothes after she was told not to. Having one of her allies claim it was all McCain’s fault for flubbing her roll out. Its going to be a knock down drag out but I think McCain will end up with the other hand before he retires back to the ranch

As I also noted in the comment in limbo, sg,I don’t see a mechanism for McCain to do that. He is going to be disgraced.
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A Republican strategist commenting on the Democrats (can’t remember who now) expressed amused disbelief that Bob Shrum kept getting to run campaigns. He said with Republicans it’s one strike and you’re out. I doubt that McCain will even run in 2010; have you seen the numbers head to head with Napolitano?
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The real question is whether the comment Dirks made over at my blog is right–that the corporate/beltway republicans will take the party back from these know-nothings.
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jay,
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Don’t forget that I never said McCain would go back to being a senator in good standing. Maybe you misunderstand me. When I talk about her trying to bury him I am not talking about him being triumphant in running for Senate in two years and continuing on that way. I am talking about permanently tarnishing his record and making him an outcast in the Republican party. She is going to try to use him like she has used others like a stepping stone to vault herself into the “leader” of the GOP. And my point is you won’t remember her name in 2 years because he is going to see to it that she doesn’t benefit from st@bbing him in the back.

I think “social conservatives” (more accurately, “reactionaries”) have forgotten that they need to appear at least borderline rational, so they can get some of the non-crazy vote.

@sgwhite – An acquaintance of mine is the chair of the local Republican party. He tells me that the day after the election every single local Republican party, club, and candidate will have Sarah Palin as #1 on their speaker list because of the money she will bring in and that she could spend two years doing nothing but that. That’s power.

I keep finding this fascinating.
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First, sg, what you’re saying is that McCain will say mean things about Palin. That’s all he’s got. He has no money, no political capital, no future and no support. He’s called in every chit, spent everything he had, and he’s regarded by most of the party as only slightly less toxic than Bush. Moreover, when he says mean things about her, she’ll just respond be saying “See!! That’s what he’s like. That’s how he treated me, while I provided all the energy of the campaign.” And, since McCain is an ill-tempered narcissist, that will work.
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pour–The default frontrunner in a presidential contest is the previous election’s VP, except in the event of a landslide (LeMay, Shriver, Ferraro). Yes, even Lieberman. At the same time, this is remniscent of the post-1960 environment, with Goldwaterites taking over the convention and the party. There was no real battle then. It was his party. It doesn’t look like we will have a landslide like ’64/’72/’84 (note that ’64 was the least lopsided, AZ plus the deep south for Goldwater of the three with an absolute loon as VP). So in this case, we have the absolute loon VP, a tighter race (TX will NOT vote for Obama) and a fractured party. It doesn’t really match up to anything.
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Complicating this further is that the post-Civil Rights act conversion is now complete. It does not seem to have left a viable Republican party behind, as it is in feedback loop forcing the party ever further away from the American center. From what I read above, it could well be that Palin plays a leading role in the party outside the coasts and the Beltway. \
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And she could do so by attacking them for being rich, elitist, corrupt DC politicians. She could even show the rubes the pea–say they’ve promised to stop abortion, to implement Christianist policies but somehow never gotten around to doing it. Well, with the rubes support, she will. You betcha. Put the reg-a-lar people in charge for a change. Not this fakeroni that Nixon started and they’ve kept going, not a fake man of the people, but a real woman, who is really of the people.
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The bit about the clothes being like the stagecraft sets this up. The RNC put her on the stage, bought her clothes that weren’t her, made her be something she is not because they are hucksters, part of the elite. They’ve let you (the rubes) down, in just the same way they’ve let me down.
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Could work. Especially if the religious hucksters back her play.

Miller, not LeMay. LeMay ran with Wallace in ’68.

jay,
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This won’t be any kind of frontal assault or a war of words. It will be a methodical dismantling of her career. Its not money nor clout that McCain needs to accomplish this. All he needs is friends and after 22 years in the Navy and 26 years in Congress you can best believe he has a lot of those. We have already talked about how a lot of these people trashing him now will be welcoming him with open arms the minute he apologizes. Again look at the leaks coming out now that mirror the leaks that came out against his fellow senators in the Keating five scandal. By the way you do know that Jack Abramahoff was connected to the people who supposedly did the robocalls on McCain in SC in 2000 right? Supposedly thats the whole reason he took up the cause, to throw him under the bus. Again the lines in the sand will be pronounced if they lose. I predict Sarah Palin will come out swinging through her various allies and surrogates throwing McCain under the bus. He won’t attack but like I said she will see a precipitous slide into obscurity by curiously seemingly unconnected events. When you get a chance try to track down a copy of the book “The Real McCain”. It talks about how seriously and how far McCain takes grudges.

pourmecoffee Says:
That’s like saying Levi violated Bristol’s First Amendment right to say “no.”"
ouch
OUCH!

I’m betting Palin will win. She can raise money and crowds. McCain… can trash her to all his former friends who have disowned him for picking her. It’s not even a fair fight.

Classic. Just classic. Apply the rules to the other side with the biggest hammer you can find, but scream and whine when someone tries to apply them to you.

Unfortunately, we haven’t heard the last of Sarah Palin. I don’t think she’s stupid. I do think she’s crazy – clinically delusional – and a religious fanatic who will choose the twisted tenets of her beliefs over rational thought every time. Willful ignorance in the face of hard fact is how a certain type of religious zealot operates. And that’s why she appeals to the Religious Right, who have taken over and destroyed what used to be the Republican Party.

After this election, in the interests of truth-in-labeling, the GOP should just rename itself the Fundamentalist Christian Party. (Separation of Church and State only when they can use it to hurt their opposition!) The moderates – what’s left of them – can then try to re-form a Republican Party that they and their forebears would recognize.

newfloridian @4

Thank you for pointing that out. People throw the term “narcissist” out all the time in reference to Palin, but it could be more serious than that. We could really be talking about someone with more than just an overly developed ego here. She appears to have some classic NPD traits: Believes she deserves recognition and glory without commensurate achievement; Unable to empathize with others or modify her behavior to protect others (Bristol’s pregnancy was merely a speed bump on her way to national attention); most frightening of all her “narcissistic rage,” which has been repeatedly demonstrated in her obsessive and vindictive efforts to destroy the lives or careers of people who have crossed her–frequently totally out proportion to the actual slight. Several sources close to her have noted that she does not like to be around people who are smarter than she is–the one area where her fragile self-image is displayed. I think she has shown us all very clearly that not only is she not presidential material, she is very possibly dangerously narcissistic–imagine if she decides to apply her obsessive narcissistic rage to a rogue country who she perceives has slighted her. I also think people are underestimating the manipulative skills of people like this and mistakenly believe her incompetence will be her undoing. She has had a taste of national celebrity now and she believes it is her birthright. She won’t quietly go away. She would rather completely destroy the party than give up the spotlight.

An argument could be made that there are a lot of people with personality disorders in the government, so why should she be singled out? I think it is because, probably due to her inexperience, she lacks the finesse and skills most troubled politicians develop to make them more acceptable to the public. Part of this lack of finesse means she has been very foolish and ham-fisted in how she engages in governance and the public record now documents that she clearly has a penchant for abusing her power and making the lives of people around her miserable. If that’s what the Republicans decide they want, more power to ‘em.

Read this on a blog somewhere and think it’s fitting: Supreme confidence not backed by demonstrable knowledge or ability is not a sign of great leadership. It is a sign of mental illness.

# Joe Bftsplk @12 and newfloridian,

My earlier post is hung up, but wanted to just point out that narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder are part of the same cluster (cluster B), along with anti-social personality disorder in the DSM diagnostic manual because they share similar features, most notably a lack of empathy, and there can be considerable overlap in presentation. Cluster B personalities are over-represented in the fields of politics and banking, so if she is someone with cluster B traits, she will feel very much at home in DC.