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More on Khalidi and Antisemitism

My friend Jeff Goldberg, author of Prisoners, which is one of the very best books I’ve read about the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, takes me to task, rightly, for some wordplay I engaged in yesterday while  excoriating the vile McCain spokesman, Michael Goldfarb for calling Khalid Rashidi an antisemite. And while the term, antisemitism, will always retain its traditional meaning–anti-Jewishness–it does conflate certain categories: there are those who just hate Jews, and then there are those who merely disapprove of zionism…and a third category, those who accept the idea of a Jewish state, but disapprove of Israeli expansion into the West Bank and Gaza. People like Goldfarb–and far too many other Jewish neoconservatives–go around calling people like Rashidi antisemites when, in fact, they’re merely opposed to the more egregious expansionist schemes favored by the some of the more extreme members of the Likud Party. Indeed, Goldberg defends Khalidi:

But about Khalidi — he’s a fierce partisan of the Palestinian cause, of course, and in my conversations with him, and in his writing, I see that his sympathies frequently cause him to distort Middle East history. But an anti-Semite? I don’t think so. In fact, Rashid Khalidi is one of the rare Palestinian advocates who argues, as he has with me, that Arabs must study Jewish history, including and especially the history of Jew-hatred, in order to better understand Israel, and to reach a compromise with it.

Jeff, however, goes on to make a truly foolish argument about my efforts to call out a small group of Jewish neoconservatives for their disgraceful, bullying behavior and their dangerous influence on John McCain’s and the Bush Administration’s foreign policy:

I know that Joe derives great pleasure from criticizing Jewish supporters of the Iraq War — the Wolfowitzes, Perles and Feiths –in specifically Jewish terms, while never seeming to use the Christianity of other supporters of the war, including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, and other such marginal figures, against them. I don’t like the double-standard, but it’s part of the rough and tumble.

No, Jeff, I don’t derive great pleasure from it. I’m pretty anguished about it. As a Jew, I’m embarrassed by these extremists and outraged by their assumption that they represent mainstream Jewish opinion in this country. Furthermore, I don’t use the Christianity of Bush et al against them because their Christianity had nothing to do with their support for the war. For people like Doug Feith et al, their Jewish identity–their ethnic nationalism, not the religious part of it–had an awful lot to do with their plumping for war with Iraq and, more recently, Iran. Feith et al advised Binyamin Netanyahu, in a paper called “A Clean Break,” to go to war with Iraq when he was Prime Minister in order to protect Israel. I find the conflation, by some Jewish neoconservatives, of Israel’s interests and America’s–and their truly dangerous misreading of both–to be appalling. But much worse is their rush to pin the tag of antisemitism on anyone who disagrees with them, including me.

And even worse than that is the McCain campaign’s tendency, driven by thugs like Goldfarb, to imply that Barack Obama is soft on Islamic terrorism–and perhaps even a closet Muslim himself–by linking his name with people who have Arab names like Rashid Khalidi. This is the vilest form of anti-Americanism. And, happily, it appears not to be working this year.

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  • greymatt

    Jeffrey Golberg may be the world’s most intrepid reporter, and certainly our most intrepid Zionist pundit, but clearly he stole his argument from a certain commenter. http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/10/30/and-lower/#comment-13704 . And Klein, I think you know better. Give commenters their due! Digital democracy! Naw just kidding. You guys are all right.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Glenn, has a column today noting the heat you’ve been taking and also noting how the standard neocon playbook seems to be backfiring;

    Here’s my comment from his thread:

    Count me among those who, quite independent of my concern over who wins on Tuedsay and quite independent of my concern over what would happen if Randy Scheunemann was allowed withing 1/2 mile of the Oval office, is nevertheless quite gratified to see that the old Rove playbook is failing to work.

    People remember when McCain said he was going to run an honorable campaign and the fact that he has reneged on that promise is the number one reason why he’s behind. The Number two reason is that the Palin pick revealed to the world that he doesn’t actually care about the health of our country and that he’s willing to sacrifice the nation’s well-being in exchange for his own.

    The fact that these tactics are failing provides me with significant hope and renews my faith in the American electorate. Let’s hope that my faith is not misdirected!

    I’ll go on to mention that I do seem to remember an instance of you noting the basic hypocrisy behind being a war-cheerleading Christian. It was a number of weeks ago, but its worth recalling because it does negate the entire of the paragraph you quoted.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    This is a very worthwhile conversation, if bloody. Let everyone affix the labels on their presumed opponents openly that they have been doing in private. Everyone will then peel them off screeching, and what’s left will be a more open discussion of what to do going forward in the region. It will be more possible to do it in the light of an Obama administration than the dark of Cheney’s vault.

  • g_crush

    .
    And even more on Khalidi, from Harper‘s Scott Horton and Juan Cole.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Joe Klein,
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    People are just taking shots at you to help raise their profile. You were technically right that Khalidi is in fact a semite. And bigger than that the fact that you pointed it out will actually elevate the conversation in this country to see what words actually mean. Goldberg asserts that because some Jew-Hater “created” the term to only mean Jews that you and everybody else should just allow the term to stand that way. But in the same breath he himself says he prefers to say “jew-hater” so as to not confuse the term. If semites are not exclusively jews then people who spew hatred toward’s jews should not be labeled anti-semetic. They should be called anti-jewish or racist. Goldberg tries to compare you to an anti semite by saying that the only people he has ever heard explain that palestinians are also semites are people who hate Jews. Funny how he justifies smearing you by saying you told the truth. WOW. But the best part was the quote that he tries to use to hang the term of anti semitism around your neck. He quotes someone as saying palestinians are the “only true semites”. Now even a fool can see that the statement has nothing to do with your post from yesterday. You never said palestinians were the ONLY semites. Goldberg is just grasping at straws because you had the nerve to stand up for a palestinian. Notice that for as long as his post is he gives maybe two lines to defending Khalidi in the most lukewarm of fashions. Again I don’t think you should be apolgizing to this guy for telling the truth simply because he wants to make the case that because the term has been historically used incorrectly then you must be wrong. Thats bunk and I hope you change your post to reflect that.

  • piper1

    Keep up the good work, Joe. The more you make clear that Jewish does not equal Neocon and Jewish does not equal Zionist, the better it will be for everyone involved. These Neocons insist on coining anyone who disagrees with far-right Likud policies an anti-Semite, and frankly I find it to be the last refuge of a coward.
    .
    Argue the merits of the case as best you can (neocons/ Zionists), but you simply will have to eventually acknowledge that there are legitimate reasons to criticize Israel and doing so in and of itself does not represent anti-Semitism.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks
  • Jim, Foolish Literalist

    Furthermore, I don’t use the Christianity of Bush et al against them because their Christianity had nothing to do with their support for the war.

    Wow. You’re kidding yourself there. Where, exactly, have you been through the Bush years? I don’t know about “et al”, but Bush has repeatedly described this war in religious terms, from his semi-comprehending use of the word “crusade” to his maudlin nattering about “freedom is our Creator’s gift,” and we are called upon to spread it. Then there’s his reported, and to my mind only too credible declaration that “God told me to strike al Qaeda, and I did; then God told me to strike Saddam, and I did.” His simple minded references to “the evil doers” and “the enemy”, singular, a mass noun representing a metaphysical force, not a complex array of historical and geo-political forces.
    And as for “et al”, I’ll let others discuss Condi, Rummy, and Teh Dark Lord, but “Joe The Plumber”, a Bush American if ever there was one–proudly, aggressively ignorant and absurdly confident in his righteousness–referred to the Iraq War in Xian terms last week. Jerry Boykin and “my god is stronger than your god”? To say nothing of the John Hagee types who see this war as only the first step in the coming Armageddon, a necessary part of which is the final elimination of the last Kingdom of Israel (didn’t Joe Lieberman refer to Hagee as Moses? Fanaticism makes for strange bedfellows). I’m sure others could think of myriad examples that don’t come to the top of my head before that first cup of coffee.
    And bring back preview.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    stuck in moderation yet again

  • g_crush

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    Wrong link for the Juan Cole piece on Khalidi, sorry.

  • g_crush
  • sgwhiteinfla

    Hey Joe,
    .
    Obama’s got your back. He kicked the Washington Times NY Post and Dallas Morning news off his plane starting Sunday

  • rose83

    More chaos in Pakistan. And more misleading news coverage on CNN – Pakistan isn’t complaining about missile strikes against the Taliban, it’s complaining about missile strikes that kill civilians. Perhaps the strikes are necessary in spite of the civilian casualties, but it’s not helpful to ignore why Pakistanis are so opposed to the attacks: they’ve just sustained a massive earthquake, and a series of retaliatory suicide bombs, so American missiles killing women and children are not going to be that popular right now.

  • rose83

    I’m stuck in moderation, because my post was full of “sad” words that guarantee moderation. This needs to change – it’s been about a week already. Seriously, I do not want to write a post on the situation in Pakistan saying ki!l.

  • Casey Morris

    Joe, you are going to lose your readership if you don’t get your readers out of moderation and soon.
    .
    Just saying.

  • Casey Morris

    sg, you got a linkie for that news?

  • Casey Morris

    Ouch. From Kos:

    Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 10/28-30. Likely voters. MoE 4% (No trend lines)

    McCain (R) 48
    Obama (D) 47

    Early voters (17 percent of sample)

    McCain (R) 42
    Obama (D) 54

    I can’t believe we may actually win Arizona. And I have a bonus treat for you guys:

    If the 2010 election for U.S. Senate were held today for whom would you vote for if the choices were between Janet Napolitano the Democrat and John McCain the Republican?

    McCain (R) 45
    Napolitano (D) 53

  • bitterpill8

    You are correct to point to the fact that “mainstream Jewish opinion” is hardly on the extremes. It may be worth nothing that nowhere else is there a more animated and serious discourse on Israel and Palestine isssues than Israel itself. I have sat in on hot inter family discussions and come away very appreciatuve of the fact that many Israelis are torn about the way Palestinians are forced to live their lives separated by so many artificial barriers. etc, etc. The lousiest and most ignorant commentary is to be found from those who are furthest from the day to day issues facing Israelis, inhabiting think tanks where the last thing they do is serious and honest thinking.

  • Casey Morris

    Wait, the link for the news about the WashTimes et al. being removed from the plane for space reasons is over at Politico.
    .
    Here’s the punchline: There’s only a total of 14 comments at Calderone’s blog expressing angst at Obama’s Stalinist oppression of the media.
    .
    Now, that’s entertainment.

  • Aaron

    Jeffrey Goldberg is guilty of writing the same dishonesty concerning the war in Iraq that Judy Miller wrote. Why the double standard?
    .
    Anyway, Joe Klein has criticized Christian extremists:

    The Jewish lobby does, sadly, have a profound impact on American foreign policy, especially upon the Bush Administration—but so do the evangelical Christians who see support for Israel as part of the bizarre end-game laid out in the Book of Revelations.

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    It would appear that, once again, Jeffrey Goldberg is wrong.

  • ivb3016

    Is this the NEW new format?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Wow this is crazy

  • sgwhiteinfla

    assume

  • sgwhiteinfla

    actually it IS easier to read posts now lol

  • piper1

    Wow, this site is absolutely falling apart. What a letdown after this amazing campaign season.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    piper,

    seriously though you can read the posts easier. Yes im going with the glass is half full lol

  • Paul-no not that one

    wow, trippy man!

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Looks the same to me on the Chrome beta. But it looks way different on IE.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Off topic–

    If the gay mafia funding campaigns for key state legislative seats is worthy of coverage

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1854884,00.html

    (and it is. Gill in particular has been genius at these stealth campaigns.)

    Isn’t the gay Belrway Republicans also worth a story.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    When I refresh, I see a light and my grandma is there and she’s telling me to come to the light, and I want to because it looks so warm and sweet, and I love you grandma, here I come …

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Woo.Took me a while to get her through the TIME home page using IE (wanted to make sure I got the most current page). Trippy indeed. I think they’ll get their columns back soon.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Still little squinky TimesRoman letter with Chrome, and the columns are working. Let’s try Firefox…..

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Hmmm. Columns work in Firefox as well.

    Little more readable with Firefox, actually. The blue font has less weight and the text, while still serif isn’t all slanty and nearly italic as at Chrome.

    IE is still a mess, but it’s a sans serif mess. So there’s something good in all the different instances.

    Does it haz auto paragraphing?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Hung in firefox….

    reminding me that I stopped using firefox because it was hanging so often on ad loads.

    Ah, it loaded.
    .
    Nope, no autoparagraphs.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Aaron must have put the HTML tags in.Like this.

    If it worke.

    We’ll see.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Seems to me the last time trouble started was on a Friday.

  • billiecat

    Looks unchanged in Firefox. But I fired up IE to check it out and, well, um. Sure. You could design a site like that, if you wanted to.

  • rose83

    It’s unchanged on Safari. I have no idea what you’re all talking about!

  • readinwritin

    The absurdity of this is apparent if we only think about how this became an issue. Khalidi’s name was ONLY brought up because he is Palestinian.

    Look at the evidence–this came from a story in the LA Times that is 6 months old. What kind of research and thinking went into making this a focus of the campaign? Somebody–probably lots of somebodies–have been sitting and poring through reams and reams of internet material for months.

    They have not been looking for evidence of problems with Obama’s campaign platform, they are looking for what will do maximum damage to his credibility. Of all the things they came up with, they are pushing Khalidi.

    What attracted them to this old story? His name and ethnic background. Period, full stop. The links to the PLO are so insubstantial that they would never on their own be an issue. This is no Bill Ayers, but they are being treated as equivalent. Why? Because of the name. You don’t need to go further than that to know that this is a venomous racist attack.

    I can’t wait for November 4.

  • http://ktheintz.wordpress.com/ kth

    Marty Peretz is defending Khalidi, end of story. Hope this TNR url doesn’t put this comment into moderation purgatory (not embedding it, you’ll have to copy/paste):

    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2008/10/30/excuse-me.aspx

    Hopefully the LA Times can persuade their anonymouse to give permission to show the tape, so this ‘bombshell’ will fizzle just like all the other ones did. And if this kerfluffle increases Khalidi’s public profile, it’s all good.

  • nibblybits

    Frankly, McCain’s play is just so egregiously race-baiting, I will never in future associate him with anything else. He likes to live on his strength of will during in POW years almost 40 years ago, but look at what he’s doing now. He shames himself, and he shames us all. At this point, I would like to see a complete repudiation of him and every shred of reputation he has left.

  • dduty

    You’re right about calling out the Jewish neocons on the war. But you are not right in stating Bush’s “Christianity had nothing to do with his support for the war”. By almost all accounts, after Bush’s ‘born-again’ experience many years ago he felt his decisions were greatly influenced by God. While The Dick and Rummy show had much more sinister reasons for pushing Bush(and therefore Powell)to greatly exaggerate many facts in the speech to America and the U.N., Bush always seemed to be blissfully ignorant about the post-invasion fiasco. He also seemed to believe he was one of Christ’s soldiers, and we would be “greeted as liberators”. History be damned, we will bring democracy and and Chrisianity to this vile Muslim land! Oh, Christianity had much to do with the quagmire in Iraq. And this is coming from a devout Christian.

  • billsanford

    Joe Klein is not much more than just another slime writer for the Tank Media.

    The Tank Media is partisan Democrat, and can not be trusted to put out anything more than just propaganda for Liberals.

    Whatever Klein is writing is worthless.

  • david2b

    I find it quite sad, Joe, that as a Jew yourself, you use the same scurrilous arguments that renowned anti-semites like Walt and Mersheimer use. Namely, that an Arab can’t be an one because he is a semite or that anti-zionism is not the same as anti-semitism. Isn’t that the argument tha Ahmadinijad uses – that he doesn’t want to kill all the Jews, just wipe Israel off the map?

  • reggy57

    As a Jew, and a child of Holocaust survivors, I confess that I’ll never cease being surprised by my fellow Jews….Did you not learn anything from the Holocaust? …My parents, may God rest their souls, loved America and sadly explained that it was foolish intelectual Jews in Europe that died (and the others that listened to them), not being able to understand that playing stupid games of one-upsmanship in Philosophy and Politics and argueing with haughty rhetoric is real fun but doesn’t trump, or defend against, being loaded into a cattle car, headed for ovens. Argue all you want, you foolish children, the Israelis (at least those of years gone by, since it seems like today’s Israelis are also forgetting the lesson) have “been there, done that” and decided to get tough, kick some ass and shoot, instead of talk. Is there peace in the middle east, no, but at least Israeli Jews are still alive to face the future and whatever it brings, contrary to the Jewish intelectuals of Europe, many who sadly died not understanding that there is a time for words and a time for whoop ass. All you Obama supporting Jews are making that same mistake as the proud intellectual German Jews that are no longer here. Obama and the American intelligentsia, Ward Churchill, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, Farrakahn and Pfleger and all the rest of the professors that brainwash today’s college kids are NOT YOUR FRIENDS! ….and neither is Obama. These people are friends of Lenin and Marx, Chavez and Castro and we all know how that turned out for the Jews of Russia and Venezuela and Cuba….I don’t like McCain but I know that he is “better for the Jews” than Obama and his friends…simple. At least I won’t have that look of shock on my when Obama doesn’t come to the aid of Israel in it’s last hours.

  • http://www.plumbbobblog.com philwynk

    This is a thoroughly dishonest piece, and you should be deeply ashamed. Better yet, you should be driven from the profession of journalism. I’m not kidding.

    In the first place, people who charge racism for the mere flyspeck of including a shot of white female celebrity in an ad denouncing a black man’s celebrity status, have to have testicles the size of Montana to take others to task for the failing to note the distinction between “anti-Semite” and “pro-Palestinian.” I’ll grant you “anti-Israel” is more precise; trying to make the difference between the completely supportable “anti-Israel” and the slightly inaccurate “anti-Semite” into an accusation of bullying and racism, is beyond the pale. You are a demagogue, and should be horsewhipped publicly.

    In the second place, I accuse you of deliberate obtuseness regarding the Palestinian cause. These “pro-Palestinian” activists who “…accept the idea of a Jewish state, but disapprove of Israeli expansion into the West Bank and Gaza” have been playing the same game with the West for 30 years now, and anybody who is still falling for it is either too foolish to be trusted with our credence, or to dishonest to be trusted with our credence. They talk this way to the Western press, and then, when they’re among their own, they talk of driving the Jews into the sea. They’re not even waiting until they can do it an Arabic anymore; they announce their intentions in English, just so long as there’s no hostile press nearby. There wasn’t even a day’s respite between the turnover of Gaza and the first attacks into Israel. How many times does this have to repeat before you get it? Answer: it doesn’t matter how many times, Joe Klein isn’t interested in the truth on this matter.

    I repeat: in a fair world, you would be driven from the profession of journalism in shame an dishonor. It’s a measure of the corruption of journalism that you are not; but honest citizens have taken note, and your name, sir, is deservedly a malediction.

  • L, King

    Re: philwynk

    One has to remember that the 2 State solution is essentially an American policy designed to shape Palestinian opinion into accepting the idea of a Palestinian country living in peace next to Israel. A viable alternative would be for them to form an economic union with Jordan and/or Egypt. The rational is that a people concerned with trade and civil infrastructure will shy away from war – the real problem is to get the Palestinians to that point.

    Its still a good idea but you are right that the Palestinian leadership has indicated both in word and in actions that such as state might serve as a springboard for future aggression and that the long term goal is the destruction of the Jewish State.

    Diplomacy is the art of exploiting ambiguity. If enough Palestinians come to realize that their best option is to build an economy, a nation, a future, rather than letting their own nabka define their existence, then there is a chance for peace.

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