Sarah in 2012!

KT
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I just put that comment in the thread below this one. I think this will have the effect of giving Obama a landslide. I think a lot of the “base” was going to hold their nose and vote for McCain just to be loyal. But now they can vote for Obama knowing that with the economy the way it is whoever gets in is going to have a rough four years AND they know that four years from now they get Sarah Palin. I ll bet McCain is LIVID! What effect do you think it might have?

Ha! I can’t stop laughing. She should try and squeeze a Town Hall Meeting for her 2012 campaign between McCain/Palin stops. Would that be rude?

I can’t imagine her being a viable player in 4 years. The upheaval and chaos that would have to take place is beyond my fathom.

If she’s a contender in 2012, the Republican party will be a joke.

Very dumb. Gives social conservatives who hate McCain a good reason to stay home on Tuesday.

I don’t think any social conservatives would vote Obama in great numbers sgw. They will stay home.

her comment is so deliciously banal

she also is not campaigning Monday, but heading to Alaska a day early.

That is kind of weird. She could campaign on the left side of the country, say in Montana and North Dakota which are slipping into battlegrounds. Then fly out from Seattle Monday afternoon.

KT:
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You are our che and our liberator! Hail the liberator!
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Off with the High Sheriff’s head!

I don’t think she will have a shot in 2012 because she’s in for a rough ride when she gets back to Alaska

Good golly. McCain is running anti Obama robocalls now in ARIZONA according to TPM.

That is a bit sad.

I think the moderates and the wackos will part ways after this election.
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Romney, et al, will lead the moderates, and Palin will lead the idjits…

Honestly, how hysterical is this? Did she give any clue about who her running mate might be? I hope she thanked McCain for teaching her so much about this great country. and how to lose graciously.

Currently Palin is seen as such a joke in most circles. Is it possible for Palin to gain any depth of understanding about the issues that American’s in the lower 48 states care about; such as health-care, the economy or foreign policy? While anything is possible, her current dismal grasp on any topic suggests otherwise. I just don’t know if I can take hearing about her or listening to her again. Even after a 4 year break.

trifecta,
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there are some social conservatives that are not fools. They know that Obama has the better plans and they hate McCain anyway but they have a sense of loyalty to the Republican party. I am not guaranteeing it but it is a very plausible scenario you would have to admit. They will be thinking that in 4 years Palin will have mroe knowledge and a higher profile. I personally think thats a pipe dream but Im not talking about me

Let’s all donate some money to her campaign — kill the Republican party with kindness.

if she runs in 2012 obama will almost be guaranteed a second term

Let’s all donate some money to her campaign — k!ll the Republican party with kindness.

I don’t think she’ll be able to find enough Pro-American, Real Americans to vote for her in 2012.

I suppose the hope is that in 4 years everyone will have forgotten about her horrible interviews with Couric, the SNL skits and her witch doctor among other things. But if we have learned anything in this election is that while fame is fleeting, You Tube is eternal.

Does my suggestion of Gov. SP’s banality make me elitist?
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If so, then she’s so salt-of-the-earth refreshing.

“Ladies and gentlemen I promise you, although your vote means absolutely nothing this Tuesday, if you can hang on for eight years I will make it worth your while. Yes, this race has gotten so out of hand that even your attention to it is completely meaningless, but you should know that I am already thinking about our redemption. So, let’s let Tuesday happen and then regroup. Could someone get me a soda and some new shoes?”

Let me say this. I am strictly talking about the mind of a wing nut. I have said since last week that if they lose McCain will bury her deeper than Jimmy Hoffa and I stick with that. McCain knows how to cut people off at the knees and he will blame everything on her and the two idjuts that suggested her Schmidt and Davis. Ask yourself when wsa the last time you saw Davis any where? He used to be on every cable station. He has been disappeared like Fiorina

That ominous music that McCain hears playing in the background is the theme to Jaws V:Barracuda.

This is really astonishing; I can only guess that Palin is so unschooled as to know not to do something like this.

On the other hand, if the Jimmy Choos fit…

Personally I think if McCain loses then he is done as a force. The Democrats hate him for the vile campaign he has run and the GOP never really liked him anyway. I doubt he would have the clout to bury anyone.

The small sector who love her will probably feel even more strongly when she’s all growed up, but that doesn’t make her presidential material. I wouldn’t say she’s done this for “naught” either – the $150,000 wardrobe and becoming a household name will certainly boost her future endeavors.

That being said there will be a number of totally Po’d GOP “elite” out there fired up to blame any huge losses on someone. Sarah seems to have a big target on her head.

Murphy’s on Gregory right now.

“I think that, if I were to give up and wave a white flag of surrender against some of the political shots that we’ve taken, that would bring this whole… I’m not doing this for naught,” Palin said.

Karen, there’s a small error in your quote. There’s no ampersand in the quote. There’s an ellipse in the original translation at the ABC site in your link. I have shown the correct version in my italicized excerpt above.

Of course, since this is Sarah Palin speaking, it doesn’t matter whether there is an ellipse or an ampersand. There is still no complete English sentence. We can always dream.

So Sarah Palin finally said something I agree with her about:”The American people will show their wisdom next week.”

If McCain some how pulled it off, I’m pretty certain SP would never get close to policymaking.
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the 1947 National Security Act–which created CIA, the WH NSC, the unified military, and so on–specifies the NSC principals as the president, the veep, the secretaries of state and defense (later, in 1949 the NSC advisor became a principal) and then a deptuties committee.
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Bush it the first president to allow, practically speaking, the veep to participate more than nominally.
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McCain would put an end to that, I suspect, rather quickly and SP’s portfolio would be special-needs kids and energy. In reality, she would have no basis for policymaking other that her pull in the social-conservative wing, not much platform for influence.
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I think she/’s buried either way.

queencersei,
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McCain has been in Congress for 26 years. He is the only member of the Keating 5 to survive when he was the only one who had a personal and business interest with Charles Keating. He was in the navy for 22 years and a POW war hero. Yeah he totally jumped the shark but don’t every believe that he won’t have clout. Lest we forget Larry Craig who was trying to solicit ga y se x in a bathroom last year is still in the Congress to this day!

Huh. I honestly would have said that she didn’t know the meaning of the word “naught.” I’ll be darned.

Sarah 2012!

Hmm. This reminds me of “Just Jack 2002!”

Probably just me.

I notice the msnbc pundits are saying that the ad where McCain is saying “Obama’s not ready…yet” is terribly clever, because McCain’s suggesting folks can vote for McCain now, and get Obama later, when he’s more seasoned.
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But wait a minute. I thought he was a socialist who pals around with terrorists. How’s he gonna get “ready?”

sg: As Biden might say, “SG god love ya, but Sarah Palin will be placed on the sedan (see: Elizabeth Taylor in Cleopatra) and carried off the stage by her faithful following and the Republican party to cheers and confetti. McCain will take the fall. This loss will be put at his feet. They will say, “Not even Sarah Palin, rising star of the Republican Party could save his ill-fated campaign.”

Mark my words…I reserve the right to eat them in this venue if I’m wrong…but I don’t think I’m wrong.

Note to commenters: Sarah always puts Sarah Palin first.

I’m sorry; I’m having trouble letting this go. Did she, at any time, refer to the current campaign as a “stinking corpse?”

Maybe if she has more time she can get the words down to “I’m So Pretty.” That Natalie Wood song in West Side Story. ………….

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/12/sarah-palin-im-so-pretty/

archimedesncarlsbad Says:
Wednesday, October 29, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Does my suggestion of Gov. SP’s banality make me elitist?

No.

Makes you not an idiot.

Cliff: Naught is short for naughty.

Casey Morris: in that case I apologize.

I agree with Dee and others, that Palin’s going to be nowhere in 2012. She is headed for serious trouble in Alaska. Some of the things she’s done frankly sound more serious than not reporting gifts on your senate reporting form.

There is a serious investigator looking into these things. My guess is that the most serious charge will be analogous to Stevens’ trouble – getting free help from the contractor who built the sports complex in Wasilla.

I think she is setting herself up for a tremendous fall. Popcorn, please.

And hooray for Tina Fey job security, in case 30 Rock is cancelled.

Casey Morris comment #36 You got me to belly laugh now!

It’s getting very hot and bothered down there in PA.

Cliff: Naught is short for naughty.
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Ooooooh, I see.

As far as I can tell, Tina Fey would rather eat regularly at the soup kitchen than be locked into playing Sarah Palin ever again after November 4th.

Ok Kathy and Dee, tell me who emerges among the GOP front runners in 2012?

Andy,
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Don’t get me wrong. It won’t be immediate. And it probably won’t be direct. But some how some way dirt will start coming out about her. Think about this do you REALLY believe John the human torch McCain doesn’t know who called her a “whack job” the other day. Better yet do you REALLY believe he didn’t order it? Give it say 6 months and you will start hearing more and more of what a bat sht crazy greedy back stabbing lever with string that you use to reel in a heavy object usually mounted on the front of a pickup truck. McCain will be thrown under the bus first and he will quietly return to the Senate after giving a “heartfelt” apology and say he is just an old man who let his ambition cloud his judgement. Joe Klein and others will be like the woman in a chick flick and first they will turn away but after a little while they will run right back to him with flowers and candy. Sarah Palin only has one demographic that likes her and thats the WingNuts. By in large most of them are figure heads with no power though. The leadership of the GOP arent Neo Cons. Again just wait and see how it all plays out.

I’ve been thinking about it a little more, and I think it’s great she’s going to keep plugging away through Tuesday. Good for her! She’s a real trooper and it’s sweet of her to run out the line.

Mudflats says this about our Sarah (and the latest charge filed against her with the AG:

Governor Palin would be advised to get used to this. Grassroots discontent can be a formidable thing. You never know who will show up to pull the next ticket. Frank Gwartney? Who’s that guy? The answer is: The first guy in line.

Anyone worried that Alaska political junkies will have nothing to talk about after this election can rest easy.

Kathy,

Race for the White House on MSNBC right now has this line up on with David Gregory and E. J. Dionne. Joe Scarborough and Dick Army. I guess David and E.J. are representing Obama’s position.

Cliff,
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She actually said all for NOT. But ABC was being generous. Please don’t give her too much credit.

I believe Tina Fey said she would rather leave earth, but I worry about 30 Rock.

SG We’ll see, and I’ll step up and eat crow right here if I’m wrong.

Sarah MO: Get help climbing the ladder and after you reach the top pull the ladder up after you. It happened in Wasilla, in Juneau and now with McCain.

She’s the GOPs next superstar.

Nate Silver has some good news for us. Hope this doesn’t get moderated.
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“BONUS EDIT: Here’s a fun little reality check for those of you who are sweating the trackers. Since our last update yesterday evening, I have added 34 polls to my database, including both state and national numbers. Barack Obama is ahead in 32 of those 34 polls. The two exceptions are in Arizona and Alaska, the home states of John McCain and his VP nominee, respectively.”

Someone please help me. I can’t stop laughing. Let me just say this, and I am going out on a limb here: I don’t think the McCain campaign necessarily wanted to transfer the “white flag of surrender” image it had spent a year laying at the feet of Obama as Commander in Chief and drape it over their own campaign. Just a hunch.

“It’s getting very hot and bothered down there in PA.”

Yeah. Murtha was right, I’m afraid, about western Pennsylvania (which begins on the other side of City Avenue in Philadelphia).

Try to get this out of moderation: I’ll bet the campaign loves how she took the “white flag of surrender image” they had pinned on Obama and laid it on the coffin of the campaign. I’ll bet that went over HUGE with the campaign.

Just so all you minorities and women know. This is what Dennis Prager and the right thinks and so don’t you go getting all uppity ya hear!
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Equality, which is the primary value of the left, is a European value, not an American value. Let me tell you that right now. I know this sounds offensive to half of my fellow Americans, because they have been Europeanized in their values. The French Revolution is not the American Revolution. The French Revolution said Liberty, Fraternity, Equality. The American Revolution said Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. We have lost touch with what our distinctive American values are. We have distinctive American values. … We have a better value system, and this is being protected by one of the two parties: the Republican party.
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http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/prager-equality-unamerican/

gysgt,
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I saw that earlier. One thing I will say about this election cycle is the masks are coming off. Tom Delay was on and is on Hardball (repeat) and Tweety was trying his best to get him to come out with a cup of crazy too. Unfortunately Delay didnt quite take the bait. He almost did but he pulled back right at the brink. But Tweety did about as much as anyone could to get him to do it. He did walk him back a little bit but he still set a trap for him with the Barney Frank question and Delay just nibbled but wouldnt bite. I was pi$$ed at first because he was allowing DeLay to lie over and over but I am beginning to see what Tweety is all about now. He just wants to keep feeding rope so people can hang themselves.

Who is this Dennis Prager and what is the best method to deliver a photocopy of my @ss to him?

OMG, I can’t stop laughing. Did she have any time to reflect on where they’d gone wrong in this campaign, possibly something in the Not-Recognizing-Her-Awesomeness department? Maybe this weekend she could share some post-mortem reflections with major media outlets and the Des Moines Register. Not Tuesday, though. She feels an obligation to vote, and I respect her for that.

A proposal. A group post by all swampland bloggers on Friday with election predictions. That is all.

Blitzer: Any reaction yet, Dana, from this blunt statement that she would in fact be interested in leading the Republican Party going forward after Tuesday if they lose?

Bash: I just got off the phone, Wolf, with a senior McCain adviser and I read this person the quote and I think it’s fair to say that this person was speechless. There was a long pause and I just heard a “huh” on the other end of the phone. I mean, this is certainly not a surprise to anybody who has watched Sarah Palin that she is interested in potentially a future national run. Certainly she is being urged to be a lot of people inside the Republican Party if they do lose, but it is an if, and people inside the McCain campaign – they do not want ANY discussion that has in “if” in front of it six days before the election.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/29/18532/620/712/646110

What worries me isn’t just western Pennsylvania, but the macro political climate.
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Part of the success of the Obama campaign has been to dictate the macro political climate – the meta-narrative if you prefer – so no matter how many local skirmishes Schmidt and McCain thought they’d won, the big picture was always Obama’s: optimism, unity and progress.
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People have talked to death the Bradley Effect and can America really elect a black president? What’s more important to me is: will the political weather flip at the last moment?
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If Palin and McCain (particularly Palin) push the crazy – terrorist connections, communism etc – and it all starts to get ugly out there, undecideds in particular start to instinctively look for the safe and the known. Obama is the blue sky candidate; he gets elected in a broadly blue sky climate. Things may not be good now, but he offers, yes, hope. McCain is the bunker in the storm. Kinda dingy, smells of pee, but you’ll be safe there until it’s all over.
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My wish is for Obama supporters to give wide berths to McCain and Palin events. Don’t court confrontation. Don’t get involved in p!ssing contests. Concentrate on your own candidate and plans. Let the McCain-Palin storm machine run out of dry ice and fake thunder.

I predict on Saturday she takes down her yard sign and has Todd get her pregnant again. Time to move on.

I know Dennis Prager well. He has been a long time host on KABC radio in LA. He is a moralizing conservative Jew who tries to convince fellow Jews that the fundies who want them all to burn in the rapture are really their friends.

He is a bit full of himself.

I’ve said it before–we can only be so lucky that the GOP is dumb enough that they’ll double down on ignorance, embracing this nutjob dumdum in ’12. My feeling is a moderate or at least a populist like Huck comes out ahead in the end. Crist, well, he’s gay, Jeb, well, he’s from that family. Jindal?

I think beginning next Tueday night, she is going to be shredded, gloves off, scorched earth style by not only Mac’s boys, but by most who have been loyal up until now.

I heard she’s going to start a cult in Barrow–30 days of night like.

trifecta: a conservative who is Jewish, or a conservative Jew…there’s a difference.

@trifecta – “a conservative who is Jewish, or a conservative Jew…there’s a difference.”

Lipstick?

Andy, both. He is conservative and conservative.

Here is the video with Dana Bash:

http://wonkette.com/403933/palin-shoots-for-2012-mccain-campaign-speechless

She’s gone all Mavericky all right.

(I officially am NOT down with this new comment system here at Swampland. The comments are much harder to read.)

Andy – good question, about who’s ahead. Depends on whether the party continues to turn inward and shrink its base. My guess is Huckabee. He’s an anti-evolutionist, but he’s a very humorous guy, who thinks on his feet, and he’s practicing and getting a following on Fox.

Surely it is time for the Ayatollah from Alaska to start the “Dump McCain” phase of the program. As the fortune cookie McFizzle got yesterday said “Don’t walk near any cliffs, Senator, and stay out of high buildings. Avoid women with strange eyelid twitches who smell of moose. Under no circumstances allow them to demonstrate on you how much fun it is to put a shotgun in your mouth.”

Uhmmm KT,
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Think maybe we could get something about this posted to combat the McCain Palin guilt by association bull sht?
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/the-khalidi-g-1.html
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An uncomfortable glitch in this attack: Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., chairs an organization that gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to a group Khalidi founded and for which he served on the board (more on that HERE).

The IRI has now issued a statement, confirming that it gave money to Khalidi’s group (though IRI officials are going through their records trying to determine how much, exactly) and also trying to distance the organization from Khalidi himself.

“Questions have arisen regarding the International Republican Institute’s (IRI) work with Palestinians in the 1990s,” a statement from the group reads. “In the 1990s, IRI gave grants to the Center for Palestinian Research and Studies (CPRS) for polling in the West Bank/Gaza. The polls measured support for the peace process, for various Palestinian political groups, and for efforts to enhance governance in the West Bank/Gaza. At that time no other organization could credibly conduct polling in the West Bank/Gaza.

“We understand that Rashid Khalidi was one of the many founders of CPRS, and we understand that he was for some (unclear) amount of time a board member. IRI did not in the 1990s conduct background checks of grantees’ founders or board members. IRI did on a number of occasions vet CPRS as an organization, including, as was our custom, with the Israeli government, and we were given no cause for concern. We do not recall any contact between Mr. Khalidi and IRI, and there is no evidence that Mr. Khalidi benefited (sic) in any way from IRI’s grants.

“Other organizations that reportedly gave funding to CPRS include the National Endowment for Democracy, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s Center for International Private Enterprise, the Ford and Rockefeller Foundations, the Japanese Embassy, and Germany’s Friedrich Naumann Stiftung. IRI’s relationship with CPRS ended in 2000, and we understand that it no longer exists.”

I will say in Palin’s defense, that what she actually said, like everything she says, didn’t actually make much sense.
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I guess she did acknowledge that they might lose, and could of said something like “that won’t happen because we’re going to win.”
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But neither did say anything real definitive like “this is over, but I’m marching on to 2012!” She just gave one of her ramblers.

Thanks Trifecta:

@coffee: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_denominations

Here’s a scorecard Mr. Coffee. Lipstick used to be a punchline to the difference between a vulture and a …

@Kathy nature and the GOP abhors a vacuum. Huck and no one else = vacuum.

OT, but here is a perfect example of why I am growing to detest D!ckerson (exclamation point included to prevent Moderatron 2000 from clutching pearls):
http://www.slate.com/id/2203341/
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“Don’t Worry, Be Happy
The McCain campaign is unusually upbeat. Does it have reason to be?”
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The first relevant quote:
“Where do we plot the mindset of the McCain campaign on a continuum that stretches from deceit (aides know they’re losing badly and they’re play-acting) to Drudge-like self-delusion (they’re mindlessly clutching at, and believing in, any glimmer of positive news) to truth (there actually are real signs of hope)? The line can be hard to define, but it seems to me that the McCain campaign is somewhere between self-delusion and truth.”
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Which is backed up by statements like:
“But what was once a narrow path to victory now seems a little bit wider. That’s enough to lift their mood.

Still, the landscape looks pretty bleak. A flood of public polls show that McCain is down in several important traditionally Republican states.”
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and:
“How do McCain aides get around this dire picture without the aid of strong drink? Let’s just say that McCain’s campaign now relies on hope more than Obama’s does. They hope that the Obama organization isn’t as impressive as signs suggest it is…[followed by other examples of their hope]”
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and:
“Could McInturff be blowing pretty rings of imaginary smoke? Perhaps. But he has a good reputation for honesty among pollsters.”
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and:
“The McCain campaign also says its message about Obama’s plan to “spread the wealth” is taking hold. Republicans are coming back to McCain, they say, and Obama’s favorables are dropping a little. They say they are now able to drive the message about Joe the Plumber as effectively as Obama is able to push any of his messages. And they say the robo-calls, which many in the political business say are useless, are working to raise doubts about Obama.”
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And that is why I am learning to disregard anything D!ckerson says.

Reminds me of Genesis (the group, not the book)
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“There’s no need to be nice on the way up, ’cause you’re not coming down . . .”

Pulling the ladder after her, indeed.

@ Trifecta — Thanks

@coffee: you need a scorecard; here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_denominations

Lipstick used to be a punchline for the difference between a vulture and a XXX.

@ Kathy Nature and the GOP h@tes a vacuum. Huckabee and no one else = vacuum

Well, while my first comment is waiting to be unmoderated, here’s an abbreviated version:
OT, but here is a perfect example of why I am growing to detest D!ckerson (exclamation point included to prevent Moderatron 2000 from clutching pearls):
http://www.slate.com/id/2203341/

“I officially am NOT down with this new comment system here at Swampland.”
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bbpdx,
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I’m getting use to it. Almost every site I visit has changed its design over time. However, I get use to them and eventually like the change. I’m getting use to this one, but it still sucks big time.

“I officially am NOT down with this new comment system here at Swampland.”
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bbpdx,
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I’m getting use to it. Almost every site I visit has changed its design over time. However, I get use to them and eventually like the change. I’m getting use to this one, but it still sucks big time.

Trifecta thanks

Oh please, Palin will be the front runner for 2012 because the MSM is lazy. Remeber that Lieberman was the front runner after 2000. That turned out well for him. The same thing will happen to Palin.

Coffee you need a score card http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_denominations

Lipstick is a punchline from a very old joke

If Sarah Palin wins that nomination, that is so very important, that is whole, then victory and freedom are our greatest strengths. And also, the great Americans who’ve supported her and that very important support from US Americans they would not be doing it for naught. This is the greatest nation of all time that guarantees that freedom, that is so important in the world and also that is so great. Wink.

Is McCain still in her five?

Kathy Nature and the GOP abhors a vacuum. Huckabee and no one else = vacuum.

Hence Sarah

@ coffee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_denominations

coffee: Jewish denominations at wiki p e d i a.org
Will answer why I asked about Conservative Jew

pretty good commercial by Obama

SG,

But was it effective, hard hitting or what is the other crap Michael can’t wait to run here with when McCain releases another web only ad?

People…we have emoticons:

>:)

gysgt,
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Halperin was all on Obama’s Richard after the ad. He said it was f ing brilliant. I thought it did a dang good job of giving people a very positive impression of Obama and what kind of values he has and who he will be fighting for.

SG: Tonight we saw REAL americans

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We sure do have emoticons:
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http://codex.wordpress.org/List_of_Emoticons
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Andy,
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Yeah and they all had REAL problems

KT,
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I have a prediction that by this time tomorrow some right wing evangelicals will be throwing Obama under the bus for reading the “evil” Harry Potter books to his daughters. Ill take all bets on that one

sgwhite- I had the very same Harry potter thought.

Oh – and I’m pretty sure Michelle said he’d read them with the older daughter.

kathy,
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I have been read the riot act by some evangelicals in my own family about taking my kids to see Harry Potter movies. Now I am a christian but I am a firm believer in having some common sense and not being a zealot or sheltering my kids. When I grew up I watched “The Wizard of Oz” that had witches and flying monkeys and the whole nine. I don’t think I turned out too bad.

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