“It’s Always Darkest Before . . . ”

This morning, I wrote up a post noting an apparent lack of tightening in the polls. Au contraire, objects the McCain campaign pollster Bill McInturff in a new public memo: “The McCain campaign has made impressive strides over the last week of tracking. The campaign is functionally tied across the battleground states … with our numbers IMPROVING sharply over the last four tracks.”

McInturff is looking at internal numbers. We in the outside world are left with public numbers. Nate Silver summarizes today’s national numbers this way: “Gallup and Research 2000 moved toward McCain, and IBD/TIPP moved toward Obama; the other five trackers were essentially flat. Among the one-off national polls, Pew and ARG moved toward Obama, and Ipsos moved toward McCain.”

State polls are similarly showing no big movement, or confusing movement. But something could be starting. (A McCain insider assures me that key (unidentified) swing states are back to within 3 points, and closing.) After the jump, the full McInturff memo. Read it for what it says, and for what it fails to say.

TO:                   McCain Strategy Team
FROM:              Bill McInturff, Lead Pollster, McCain-Palin 2008; Partner, Public Opinion Strategies
RE:                   State of the Race and Ballot Position
DATE:              October 28, 2008

First, let’s be clear: This is a hard election to “predict.”

The historic nature of the candidates on both tickets, the huge influx of unregulated money by the Obama campaign, the dour public mood, and the unique level of voter interest all suggest an historic level of turn-out, not witnessed in over 40 years.

Our models/understanding of what is coming is therefore necessarily projective, but, here is what we know for sure:

The McCain campaign has made impressive strides over the last week of tracking.

The campaign is functionally tied across the battleground states … with our numbers IMPROVING sharply over the last four tracks.

The key number in our mind is Senator Obama’s level of support and the margin difference between the two candidates.

As other public polls begin to show Senator Obama dropping below 50% and the margin over McCain beginning to approach margin of error with a week left, all signs say we are headed to an election that may easily be too close to call by next Tuesday.

1.            We are witnessing a significant shift across the battleground states.

The race has moved significantly over the past week, closing to essentially tied on the last two-day roll.  These gains are coming from sub-groups it should be possible to sustain over the next week, including:

-                     Non-college men;
-                     Rural voters, both men and women;
-                     Right-to-life voters; and most encouragingly;
-                     We are beginning to once again get over a 20% chunk of the vote among soft Democrats.

Importantly as well, our long identified target of “Walmart women” – those women without a college degree in households under $60,000 a year in income are also swinging back solidly in our direction.

Finally, in terms of critical improvement, even as this track shows more Republicans voting for us than Democrats supporting Obama, we are witnessing an impressive “pop” with Independent voters.

As I said during our Sunday briefing, we do substantially more interviews per day than any public poll, but, given the shift we were witnessing, it was my expectation that by Tuesday/Wednesday multiple public polls would show the race closing.  A quick glance at Real Clear Politics would indicate this is happening by today, Tuesday, and that’s good!

2.            It is not surprising we are witnessing this closing as we are finally having an opportunity to run a campaign that focuses on Senator Obama’s record on taxes and his lack of experience.

We are tracking how much people have seen, read, or heard about a number of thematic elements from both campaigns, including the false charges about Senator McCain’s health care plan, being out of touch on the economy, and the Obama’s campaign charges about Medicare.  At the same time, we are testing awareness of “Joe the Plumber,” Senator’s Biden’s quote about his own running mate being so inexperienced it invites being tested by our enemies around the world, and Obama’s proposals that will raise federal spending by a trillion dollars.

This has been the week where “Joe the Plumber” has literally become a household name.  An astounding 59% of voters in these battleground states have heard “a lot” about this story, 83% have heard “a lot” or “some” about this episode.

The 59% “a lot” dwarfs the other stories/thematic elements we are tracking this week.

The campaign’s relentless focus has helped strengthen our margins on the issue of taxes and broadened as well to the attribute of handling the economy and jobs.

3.            Our opponent is being correctly perceived as the most liberal nominee in modern times.

In our tracking, now 59% of battleground voters describe Senator Obama as being a “liberal,” a percentage that is higher than previous Democrat losers Gore/Kerry, and significantly higher than for President Clinton and President Carter.

A majority (54%) of voters profile as saying Senator Obama is more liberal than they see themselves politically.

As Senator Obama’s profile as a “liberal” increases, it has helped further erode his support among key sub-groups.

4.            Turn-out IS going to go through the roof.

Public Opinion Strategies has been using a 1 to 10 scale to help look at self-described interest in the election since 1993.   In 1996, in our last track, 48% of voters described their interest in the election as a “10.”   In 2000, the last track was 54% saying “10.”  Remarkably, in 2004, our last track had self-described “10s” at 75% of the electorate.

You need to understand we are witnessing a day-to-day trend of serious magnitude as self-described “10s” increase in every roll.

Last night, 81% of voters described their interest in this election as a 10!  Wow.

Here is the importance of this number:  We have watched as turn-out has gone up in the last three presidential elections from roughly 96 million voters in 1996, to 104 million voters in 2000, to a whopping 122 million voters in 2004.

I now believe turn-out will begin to approach levels not seen since other comparable presidential campaigns in 1960 and 1968.

In today’s terms, that could mean breaking the barrier of 130 million voters!

There is simply no model that begins to know or predict the composition of the electorate at this level of turn-out.

My own view … and our own weights in our surveys … reflect a belief that African American turn-out will be at historic levels, there will be a significant boost with voters 18 to 29 years old, yet the overall high level of turn-out will begin to mute the increase in the percentage these sub-groups represent in the overall electorate.

5.            There is more elasticity in this campaign than is imagined.

We have merged all of our interviews over the last three plus weeks to identify undecided and respondents who “refuse to respond” on the ballot question.  This can be as high as one out of ten voters, but is generally about eight percent (8%) of the electorate in battleground states.

These voters might generally be non-voters in most cycles.   But, in this cycle, 61% describe their interest in the election as a 10.   This is higher than the last track among ALL voters in 1996 and 2000.

These voters are older, downscale, more rural, and are certainly economically stressed.  They are quite negative about the direction of country and seek change.  They voted for Bush over Kerry by a margin of 47% to 24% and this partisan advantage is a critical element to understanding our capacity to “get” these voters.

They have significant hesitations about Senator Obama’s experience and judgment.

Given an Obama TV media barrage we have not witnessed since the last candidate to run without public financing, Richard Nixon in 1972, and the daily drumbeat about Obama’s chances, given their demographics, it is my sense these voters WILL vote in this election and WILL break decisively in our direction.

These undecided/refuse to respond voters breaking decisively against Senator Obama mirrors the pattern of the last two months of the Democrat primary season.

When they do break, I believe they will add a net three plus points to our margins.

6.            I am becoming more and more convinced Senator Obama “gets what he gets in the tracking.”

Typically a Republican candidate trails among African Americans on a survey by a margin of something like 78% to 14%.  As a firm, we consistently warn our clients that on Election Day, they will underperform their polling margins with African American voters.  If their tracking says 78% – 18%, they should expect to only carry 8% of the African American vote, as the Democrat candidate will typically carry more than 90% of the African American vote.

Senator Obama’s numbers are different than anything we have ever seen before among African Americans.

In most polls, McCain is losing these African American voters by margins like 97% to 1%.

This means when you see Senator Obama’s number in a survey, it already reflects his significant and full support among African American voters.

Functionally, this means the only undecided/refuse to respond voters are white and Latino.

So, in a state like Indiana where he has recently “led” Senator McCain, in most tracks, Senator Obama is at 46% to 47% of the vote.

I am becoming increasingly persuaded it will be very difficult for Senator Obama to perform much above his percentage of the vote in a state.  This puts any number of historically red states very much “in play” and MUCH more competitive than is generally believed by the media.  But critically, as Obama drops below 50% in other blue states, some of these states may also becoming back in play as well.

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  • trifecta

    Denial is not just a river in Egypt. I am a democrat. I tend to freak out over every blip in the polls. McCain has lost Iowa and New Mexico and Colorado.

    Pennsylvania is a lost cause. Virginia too. It’s over. Now something could happen like Bush DWI from 2000 to change that, but absent that, it’s done.

  • Andy from MA

    MS — Sounds like the republican are going to win. If this and if this and if this and if this and if this AND if this all comes together.

  • Paul-no not that one

    I’ve been waiting all day for you to walk back your earlier post MS.

  • Andy from MA

    MS – I’m glad you posted a memo from the Republicans. Something you can take to the bank (like Lehman Brothers or Bear Stearns).

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    You may end up with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I’m entitled to THE math.

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/karl_roves_math.php

    One is of course struck by the utter dissimilarity between this person’s job and what actual research would entail. The difference between using data to determine a result vs using a desired result to massage the data is dramatic.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Mr. Moderator.

    Please release me!

  • uncletbag

    Very enlightening. Thanks, MS, for having the courage to tell it like it is. MS: It’s not just a degenerative brain condition anymore!

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Hahahaha.
    .
    So, the narrative called for a tightening post. You looked. No tightening. Then you got an angry email from the side who wants you to write about tightening, and lo, tightening stenography.
    .

  • uncletbag

    He has worked national assignments for Mother Jones magazine and Salon.com.

    Actually, I guess if this were my resume, I’d be a little sensitive about it too.

  • waltculver

    The logic in the following escapes me, because I think blacks tend not to feel comfortable talking about politics to a stranger at the other end of a polling call. So the refuse-to-respond, it seems to me, should also include reticent blacks.
    Here’s the part of the memo I’m referring to: “In most polls, McCain is losing these African American voters by margins like 97% to 1%.
    “This means when you see Senator Obama’s number in a survey, it already reflects his significant and full support among African American voters.
    “Functionally, this means the only undecided/refuse to respond voters are white and Latino.
    “So, in a state like Indiana where he has recently “led” Senator McCain, in most tracks, Senator Obama is at 46% to 47% of the vote.”
    Am I all wet on this?

  • Andy from MA

    MS why didn’t you post this from Nate’s site?

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/harbinger.html

  • gysgt213

    You can vote for who ever you like. The children have given their permission.
    .
    http://wonkette.com/403899/dancing-children-voters-allowed-to-choose-either-of-two-candidates

  • uncletbag

    OK, one last post:

    This morning, I wrote up a post noting an apparent lack of tightening in the polls. Au contraire, objects the McCain campaign pollster Bill McInturff in a new public memo:

    I, for one, am deeply impressed with your level of access to people who run shitty campaigns.

    McInturff is looking at internal numbers. We in the outside world are left with public numbers.

    Is there any evidence that internal polls are any better that the public polls? Especially public polls taken in the aggregate? Nate made the point yesterday: the trackers covered something like 3,000 interviews yesterday. The state polls covered more than 30,000. If the McCain campaign is spending that much money on polling … well, then I know why they’re losing.

    (A McCain insider assures me that key (unidentified) swing states are back to within 3 points, and closing.)

    See my second point above. Actually, see my first point too.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Or to put it differently, have you not noticed how awful his last seven days have been? In what alternative universe would this race be tightening? There has been no good news for McCain. He’s still running away from the center. Tightening? Why?

  • trifecta

    I would like a prediction out of MS on the race. Not who he wants to win, who he thinks will win and by how much. You will notice MS that I have been on good behavior. Humor me, and make a prediction.

  • bryanfromhouston

    Gunny,
    .
    You can vote for whoever you like, unless, like MS here, you’re drank kool-aid and enjoyed the BBQ.
    .
    MS,
    .
    Wipe the BBQ off your shirt, it doesn’t look good.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    “A McCain insider assures me that key (unidentified) swing states are back to within 3 points, and closing.” Um, why not investigate those assurances?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Just to save MS the time he already put in his “out”

    Read it for what it says, and for what it fails to say.

  • http://robwolfe.blogspot.com robertwolfe

    What I want to know is “what it says, and for what it fails to say.” .. I dont want to have to read 1500 words of Republican internal rah rah crap to figure it out.

    Don’t you get paid for analysis as well as just cutting and pasting?

  • Andy from MA

    PNNTO is correct about the disclaimer at the bottom of the post. MS has hedged his bets.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    “A McCain insider assures me that key (unidentified) swing states are back to within 3 points, and closing.” Um, why not investigate those a$$urances?

  • Andy from MA

    MS gets paid for cutting and pasting. Analysis is gratuitous, and worth every penny.

  • incandenzah

    I’m kvelling a little for Michael today. Sure, it’s just a McCain campaign message memo reposting, but at least there wasn’t the typical McCain fluffing hidden in plain sight in the surrounding post. Baby steps… Rome not built in a day … &c.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    “A McCain insider a$$ures me that key (unidentified) swing states are back to within 3 points, and closing.” Idea: investigate those a$$urances?

  • Slowhand Ted

    Ah Schnorer, I love the way you window-dress the McCain press releases and campaign commercials!
    .
    Yes, it may be partisan hackery of the worst kind, but nobody does with such panache as you. Have you ever considered a career in interior design?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Guys and gals
    I think Mike Scherer might have one leg off the tire swing with this post. Reread his part again. There is just the slightest bit of snark in it. I dont know why but when I read where he said “outside world” I can imagine him really wanting to say “real world”. I am still looking for “what it fails to say” though. I think he is tired of getting bullied and he can see the ship is sinking. Or it might be the crappy news they got about the layoffs. But I get the feeling that the memo irritated him but maybe I am just reading too much into it.

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    Shorter McCain propaganda: we want you to think the polls are tightening, in case we have to steal this election as well.

  • Paul-no not that one

    Au contraire, objects the McCain campaign pollster Bill McInturff
    .

    “Au contraire “? “Au contraire”? Send “Bill” back to Frenchland with all the other surrender monkeys!
    (High fives myself) Paul, republican 2004

  • Andy from MA

    Coffee: Just like the @ssurances that Ashley Todd was attacked by an Obama supporter who is african american. Well the credibility is just a little questionable right now.

  • http://robwolfe.blogspot.com robertwolfe

    I would just once like for MS to say that all the spin is insulting his intelligence and “here is what I really think”.

    And I want a pony too

  • formerlyrainbow68

    Wishful thinking. No, it’s angry denial. The polls have been consistent for some time now.

  • Andy from MA

    sg: Perhaps you might be right.

  • southernbell49

    The polls will tighten, they always do.

    All the McCain camp is trying to do is to create a narrative that a big turnaround is happening, instead of normal, always-happens tightening of the polls.

    And of course Michael is happy to do the Repubs bidding.

  • Andy from MA

    robert: you’ll hear the hoofbeats before you hear MS.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    For whatever reason, my comparison of McInturff’s opus to this famous karl Rove statement has been placed in limbo:

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/karl_roves_math.php

  • Paul-no not that one

    Andy –how happy is MS that Swampland was down during the Ashley Todd stuff?
    “A McCain insider tells me…” you can guess the rest.

  • Paul-no not that one

    sg, if what you speculate is true than shame on MS for not having the integrity to just say it.

  • Andy from MA

    Paul Dirks I had forgotten about “THE MATH.” Thanks for posting.

    PNNTO – The Swampies dodged a fast moving projectile released from a fire arm on that story.

  • Cliff

    Just to save MS the time he already put in his “out”
    Read it for what it says, and for what it fails to say.
    .
    Good call, good call.
    .
    For the same reason that I can’t stand jazz and refuse to listen to the notes that aren’t there, I will not be reading this memo for the words that are not written.
    The words that are written are pretty laughable, though.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    I read it as sgwhiteinfla did, instantly thought of the episode Paul Dirks links to at (currently) comment #29.
    -
    “We have the math! You go into the election with the electorate you have, not the electorate you wish you had.”

  • Andy from MA

    MS why did you post this?
    .
    Commenters, since he won’t answer, why do you think he posted this?

  • http://robwolfe.blogspot.com robertwolfe

    My theory is that he gets paid by the word.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    PNNTO,
    .
    You have to remember that MS has been drinking the kool aid for a LONG time. Like I said I think he might have one leg off the tire swing but the other one is on and is locked and loaded just. in. case. I really think he was more irritated with the guy who sent him the email, than he is starting to be realistic about McCain’s chances. Dont forget how testy MS gets when you question his integrity. Remember the Media Matters episode. By the way I am taping the KO show right now so as to preserve the comment at the end where he calls out Sarah Palin for being a socialist.

  • formerlyrainbow68

    Lame attempt at 11th hour suspense? Dishearten Democrats? Give aid and comfort to Republicans?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Andy,
    .
    I think he did it to cover his middle part of his body that faces opposite the direction of his face and usually smells. Remember this was a response by the campaign to something he posted earlier. I think they have to either refer to it or post it when they get a response like that. Plus I think he wanted to expose how out of touch with reality they are. I think I figured out he part that is not included in the statistics. They talked about how many people recognize JTP but they dont talk about the very low percentage of people who said they cared about the JTP story. What do i get for a prize MS?

  • Andy from MA

    sg: JTP?

  • Paul-no not that one

    Andy, MS posted this to erase his earlier post about how the race isn’t tightening. Nothing more complicated than that.

    sg, unless and until MS can make a simple declarative sentence that the republican campaign is trying to play him I’m afraid his body of work leaves me to believe that he is at best a willing dupe. At best.
    Not to be uncharitable but a history does exist.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Joe The Plumber. Sorry about that

  • sgwhiteinfla

    PNNTO,
    .
    I agree. Like I said I think he just got pi$$ed at the particular guy who emailed him. Not at the campaign as a whole. I think he wants McCain to adopt him after this is all over lol

  • sgwhiteinfla

    I wonder why nobody is talking about John McCain saying he won’t raise the minimum wage if he gets elected.

  • Andy from MA

    PNNTO Not that you hold MS “in minimum high regard” or anything like that? I think “willing dupe” = “stooge”?

    SG: Josephine the plumber? Mary Wickes? I’m really dating myself now.

  • Paul-no not that one

    ha sg, I think that would be best for both parties.
    And much to the McCain’s credit they have a history of adoption.

  • Andy from MA

    sg: Real Americans detest the minimum wage.

  • Andy from MA
  • Paul-no not that one

    Andy I hold MS in the same regard as he holds the readers/commenters at Swampland.
    .
    If anyone is less happy with the new format than the regulars it is MS who may miss the positive reenforcement that Rusty/QH/Obamish would send him.
    .
    And yes that’s a pretty good definition of willing dupe. But “willing” is key.

  • Andy from MA
  • Andy from MA

    MS: the CNN.com site has a link I can’t post here that polls say McCain is losing ground in OHIO. It’s on the Politics section posted at 9 p.m. tonight.

    I got that from a SWampland insider.

  • gysgt213

    You people have lost me. Whaaaaats with all the words and crap. Lets just get high.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Please let MS be one of the 600 oh sweet lord! I have rejected you most of my life…if you can make this one thing come true, I will dutifully worship you and praise you and go to church and turn my back on my profligate lifestyle oh Great God of the Sky. Verily I say!

    Listen to Joe the R@cist Mor0n in his own words, getting his @ss handed to him by Shepard Smith:
    http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Joe_The_Plumber_attacks_Obama_would_1028.html

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Hot off the presses
    .

    .
    Sarah Palin sharing the wealth

  • sgwhiteinfla

    gysgt,
    .
    Don’t play. As crazy as this election is getting I would smoke myself into oblivion if I was back in college right now lol

  • mgale

    “This is a hard election to ‘predict’”. In other words, I’m going to run out a bunch of bulls h i t, and when it becomes obvious it is bull s h i t I’m going to say, “What did you expect? I said it was a hard election to predict.”

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Damn it Gunny, had I only read your post first…dear Lord, you do understand that I’m not giving up the weed don’t you? Let me make clear then, I’ll give up my profligate lifestyle in every way…except the weed. No way, no how.

  • bygriff

    When campaigns feel they must go public with their own polls you know they are in deep do-do.

  • Andy from MA

    KO used the F-word? Wow, that might be actionable. But wait Sarah is a public figure…whew…that was a close one General Electric.

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    D@mn it Gunny, had I only read your post first…dear Lord, you do understand that I’m not giving up the weed don’t you? Let me make clear then, I’ll give up my profligate lifestyle in every way…except the weed. No way, no how.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    cinci you d@mn near made me drop my laptop lol But I understand ;)

  • rose83

    themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
    Shorter McCain propaganda: we want you to think the polls are tightening, in case we have to steal this election as well.

    Well said.

    Also, I thought this was interesting, although not for the obvious reason: In most polls, McCain is losing these African American voters by margins like 97% to 1%.
    In light of those completely predictable numbers, why were the network focus groups, and the town hall debate, full of undecided African-American voters? I imagine that the networks would say that they didn’t want African-American representation among the undecided voters to drop below their representation in the general population, in order to reflect voter diversity. But giving these 2% of African-American voters so much airtime makes it seem like McCain’s candidacy isn’t widely disliked by most African-Americans – the image of African-American voters seriously considering voting for McCain makes the Republicans look far more racially inclusive than they really are.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Obama makes a funny
    .

  • ivb3016

    Tonight I watched a lot of network tv and saw four McCain ads to every one Obama ad. They were paid for by some Republican Committee – probably the same one sponsoring the nasty mailers, but each one ends with a I’m John McCain and I approved this message. One of them that ran several times is from “real” people pointing out how Obama will increase their taxes. Hope only the already sold are falling for this.

  • letaaronbeaaron

    “Read it for what it says, and for what it fails to say.”
    Michael Scherer is an easy mark who identifies with slime?

  • jose

    So, what are you saying Michael? Should we take it that you believe it’s all about everybody being confused and we all should realize McCain is well ahead of everyone? Or are you snarking? There’s actually way too many words for a snark so you must believe this drivel. You owe me an apology and I won’t rest until you admit it.

  • http://www.ghostnote.com Cookie Puss

    “It’s always darkest before” you get buried in a landslide.

  • maggie2222

    I don’t think MS deserves all the hostility. I read him as pretty snarky here.

    Anyway, talking up the invitation:

    (1) The fact that the memo comes out just now, when the other news of the day is that the RNC is putting up ads in Montana. Or that McCain is campaigning in NC. On the principle of watch what they do, not what they say, it’s clear what’s really going on. As for why they say what they say — I dunno, all the tales of backbiting at Politico suggest there’s a wee bit of a morale problem here. Bucking up the troops.

    (2) Joe’s famous, we’re told. But famous good or famous bad? We’re not told whether Joe’s persuading people to actually vote for McCain. They’d have said if they could say.

    (3) Obama’s perceived as too liberal. They could have told us that McCain’s perceived as just right. But they didn’t.

    (4) No evidence on why they’d expect the increased voter turn out to be even across all groups, an especially weird assumption to make given that Obama draws from voter groups who historically don’t vote much, and therefore have much more upside potential in an election where there’s high interest.

    (5) The whole what you see is what you get argument is about percentages among AA vote. But the unknown in this election is how big that turn-out goes up. Early evidence suggests a lot.

    Naja.

  • etsumi

    “It’s Always Darkest Before . . . ”

    … you croak? Sure as hell hope so.

  • cfukara

    MS:
    “It’s Always Darkest Before . . . ”
    This morning, I wrote up a post noting an apparent lack of tightening in the polls.

    Poor sod.
    Bypassed by zeitgeist.
    In a week’s time, the poor chap will be in a loony bin.

  • billiecat

    That memo is so full of babble and short on substance, if you ran it through a blender to mix up the grammar, it could be a Palin talking point.

  • Slowhand Ted

    I think Robert Wolfe might be onto something with the notion of Schnorer being paid by the word. After all, much as Swampies love the Swamp, for many journalists it’s a runner-up prize to appearing in the dead-tree Time and for others, an allocated chore that they must carry out if they don’t want to be part of the clear-out of dead wood from Time Inc.

    Press releases and campaign commercials are a quick and neat way to discharge your duties. No actual journalism needed, no pesky opinions necessary. Just a line of two of snark to show you’re not totally endorsing the handy chunk of campaign material you’re cut-and-pasting and it’s off to lunch. Or is it ‘out to lunch’?

  • newfloridian

    Bill Inturff forgot his summary:

    And I will grow gossamer wings and fly around the moon and pigs will fly out my azzzzzz.

  • kathy

    You’ll recall that KT said it was Michael’s job to let us know how things look from the perspective of the McCain campaign (and for JNS from the Obama campaign) so I take it that’s what he’s done here. In fact, it was the earlier post that was off-job.

    Good thread about this memo over at ambinder

    ivb: I think if they say “I’m John McCain and I approve this message” they’re from the campaign. I remain nervous about Pennsylvania specifically. I’m afraid a percentage of LIV’s are going to buy the McCain tax crap.

  • gysgt213

    The cuts are coming for Time. 600 lay offs.
    .
    No magazines are scheduled to close, but some are likely to be severely cut back. Ann S. Moore, Time Inc.’s chairman and chief executive, was already planning an overhaul because of the upheavals in print media, but she was forced to speed up those efforts amid the financial crisis and looming recession.
    .

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/business/media/29mag.html?hp

  • kathy

    Jeanne cummings (who I generally like) is concern trolling over at Politico with a bit about the infomercial: “Smart politics or overkill?” She then goes on to exclusively quote people who think it’s smart politics. Huh? Even alex castelanos thinks it might be overkill but he ought to do it anyway.

  • gysgt213

    Job cuts coming for Time Inc. 600 layoffs.
    .
    No magazines are scheduled to close, but some are likely to be severely cut back. Ann S. Moore, Time Inc.’s chairman and chief executive, was already planning an overhaul because of the upheavals in print media, but she was forced to speed up those efforts amid the financial crisis and looming recession.
    .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/business/media/29mag.html?hp

  • sgwhiteinfla

    kathy,
    .
    You are going to be a wreck by next week. The truth is with early voting a lot of this is going to be moot of the next few days. But none of us can do anything at this point, its truly out of our hands so you just have to be confident and keep encouraging people to go vote. I just don’t want to see you here next week talking about having an ulcer.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    facinating – McCain still has a chance in states where Obama is around 50% in the polls and undecideds break overwhelmingly for McCain?

    .

    Nate Silver at 538 doesnt believe this is a reliable block for McCain:
    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/undecideds.html

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    so who to trust – A McCain pollster who may feel inclind to deliver whatever rose-coloured, cherry-picked iota of goodnews for an angry and erratic man – like the guys who had to deliver nothing but the dirt on Iraq to Bush after 9/11. Or do we trust our free-press, with many a pollsters with an appreciation for the science of it and a responsibility to deliver the truth?

    hmmmm – choices, choices.

  • kathy

    sgwhite – ah, thanks. it’s not as bad as all that. I think Obama’s going to win. In fact though, I think it’s either going to be closer than we think now, or it’s going to be a blow-out. This is just the last brain rattling of the Bush-Cheney trauma of the last eight years. And I have a comment about jeanne cummings being a concern you know what, that’s sitting in moderation.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    “It’s always darkest before… it’s completely black,” indeed.

    Thank god this disaster is in plain view before the guy got into office.

  • kathy

    sgwhite – thanks. I’m falling through the trap door. can’t reach you.

  • kathy

    sgwhite – oops, that sounds a little defeatist. I just mean my comments are getting stuck in moderation.

  • Andy from MA

    OT — If you’re a maverick, it pays to have friends in high places. Next time you hear McCain talk about his tough road to the top, think about this.

    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/29/admiral_mccain/

  • gysgt213

    test

  • Andy from MA

    Kathy — This m*deration thing is like being a stroke victim. You can see and hear and comprehend everything around you, but when you try and communicate, no one can here you.

  • gysgt213

    NYT is reporting 600 layoffs for Time Inc.
    .
    No magazines are scheduled to close, but some are likely to be severely cut back. Ann S. Moore, Time Inc.’s chairman and chief executive, was already planning an overhaul because of the upheavals in print media, but she was forced to speed up those efforts amid the financial crisis and looming recession.
    .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/business/media/29mag.html?hp

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    My innocuous 9:55 comment about Karl Rove is still in moderation.
    Fortunately nothing important hangs in the balance!

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    And you know, if KT is now releasing without reading, then that’s same thing as, like, turning the bot off. Worth a try.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    You’ll recall that KT said it was Michael’s job to let us know how things look from the perspective of the McCain campaign (and for JNS from the Obama campaign) so I take it that’s what he’s done here. In fact, it was the earlier post that was off-job.

    That was Joe Klein, explaining why he wasn’t mad at McCain for banning him as a campaign troll.

  • Andy from MA

    The ‘bot can’t understand phonetics. So try misspelling words that sound the same, Paul. I bet it gets thru.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Andy–

    And it’s all very clear in your head. You just can’t make your mouth work.

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    Kathy — This m*deration thing is like being a stroke victim. You can see and hear and comprehend everything around you, but when you try and communicate, no one can here you.

    Andy from MA
    October 29th, 2008 at 8:22 am

    It sounds like the usual experience when one reads McScherer. Or when you hear McPalin speak. Logic and reason cry out in protest, decency registers outrage – and still they babble on.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-obama-funny/ An Obama funny « An engineering student’s Blog

    [...] found it in a comment by sgwhiteinfla to a blog post at http://swampland.blogs.time.com http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/10/28/its-always-darkest-before/ [...]

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/2008/10/29/an-obama-funny/ An Obama funny « An engineering student’s Blog

    [...] found it in a comment by sgwhiteinfla to a blog post at http://swampland.blogs.time.com http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2008/10/28/its-always-darkest-before/ [...]

  • Andy from MA

    Speaking of babble Dick Morris weighs in on how Obama may “eke out a victory”. EEK

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/29/morris/

  • Andy from MA

    Re-posted: speaking of babble Richard Morris weigns in on how Obama might still win

    http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/29/morris/

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Watching Morning Joe is like watching Hannity lite in the morning. I don’t know why I keep doing this to myself. But he is just so dishonest and his guests are scared to stand up to him it seems even when they know he is de@d wrong. His false equivalences are growing day by day. Now his thing is comparing the people at Palin rallies who are yelling hate full stuff about Obama to anti war protestors yelling stuff about Bush. And Vandewhatsit from “the Nation” seemed to be too scared to point out that Barack Obama wasn’t speaking at those rallys

  • Andy from MA

    testing
    dick

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    You know, if they just went to a sans serif font, which has to be just flipping one switch, it wouldn’t look nearly so awful in here.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Andy,
    .
    FoxNews should make D!ck Morris wear big floppy shoes, big white gloves, and a red nose the next time he appears on any show because he is TRULY a clown!

  • Andy from MA

    Interesting, you can’t use a commonly used nickname for Richard that isn’t Rick but sounds like it.

  • Andy from MA

    Jayackroyd,

    Yeah and if McCain and Palin just spoke the flippin’ truth this election would be no freakin’ contest.

  • kathy

    jayack – thanks for the correction
    .
    Andy – I like that analogy! Pray we don’t get to experience the real thing.
    .
    sgwhite – I’m in the morning Joe dilemma box, too. They have good guests, and periodically Joe makes sense. I’d love a Morning Mika program. less ego. Right now the post-joe program is flogging the memo; functionally tied!!

  • kathy

    I still have comments in moderation for an hour. good grief.

  • mccainfluffer

    After the election is over, I predict Michael will work as a ghost writer on John McCain’s upcoming autobiography, “Will There Ever Be a Rainbow?”.

  • nibblybits

    I wonder what their internals say about McCain getting smacked in his home state of Arizona. I am laughing hysterically.

    Alaska is tightening as well, says my super-secret internals.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Kathy,
    .
    The other day when Joe over slept errrrr was on location they had one of the best shows in a long time because they didn’t have him in there trying to push his agenda. Mika isnt forceful enough by herself. She seems reluctant to take a stance and stay there, preferring to stay on both sides of most arguments. But I think she could team with say David Shuster who comes on in the afternoon and they would have a pretty good show. Shuster gives it to both Obama and McCain surrogates so he is straight down the middle. He was challenging Obama surrogates yesterday about Obama saying John McCain wouldnt do even one single thing different thana Bush and he actually made a pretty good point. And he didnt let the Obama surrogates get away with trying to talk around the point. But he also consistently hammers Tucker Bounds and at this point he spends half of the time laughing at Tucker when he comes on. Thats all I really want is someone to hold BOTH sides accountable. Shuster has really grown on me.

  • kathy

    nibbly -
    .
    particularly delicious Alaska numbers. McCain/Palin 53, Obama/Biden 42
    .
    Mudflats has a great “alaska tale”, a take-off on Narnia:
    .
    http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/26/the-lyin-the-witch-and-the-wardrobe-an-alaskan-tale/

  • kathy

    sgwhite – agreed. It was sweet when Joe was on vacation this summer.
    .
    I can’t get over hearing them talking about how the media treats Palin though. I very distinctly remember the morning Palin was chosen as vp. Joe and Pat laughed, and Mika said “that can’t be” as if someone had made a cruel joke. By afternoon they were singing a different tune, and of course Pat now thinks she’s the best thing since sliced bread.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    McCain told Letterman. “For a while there, I was reminded of the words of Chairman Mao, who said it’s always darkest before it’s totally black.”
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89511940

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Sarah Palin is giving the worst policy speech EVER!

  • jeeff

    the funny thing about this moderation is that it only draws attention to the obscene interpretation of words that we use every day…

  • kathy

    did you all see this news about layoffs at TIME? It sounds as if some folks heard via the news rather than through their bosses. typical, but ironic. Here’s wishing good look to the swamp folk. It certainly puts trouble with posting here in a different light though. these guys must be reeling.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/business/media/29mag.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

  • kathy

    um, that would be “good luck” to the swamp folks.

  • kathy

    here’s a test to rewrite a comment stuck in moderation:

    Jeanne cummings (who I generally like) is concern trolling over at Politico with a bit about the infomercial: “Smart politics or overki11?” She then goes on to exclusively quote people who think it’s smart politics. Huh? Even alex castelanos thinks it might be overki11 but he ought to do it anyway.

  • kathy

    here’s a second test to rewrite a comment stuck in moderation:
    .
    Jeanne cummings (who I generally like) is concern trolling over at Politico with a bit about the infomercial: “Smart politics or ” She then goes on to exclusively quote people who think it’s smart politics. Huh? Even alex castelanos thinks it might be but he ought to do it anyway.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    ruh roh. Sarah Palin just went off the reservation. She said oil “from the middle east” is bad. Which would include our “ally” Saudi Arabia. I think she is going to have to walk that back.

  • kathy

    sgwhite – almost certainly this speech was written for her. strike that “almost” she can’t put together coherent sentences.

  • Ohg Rea Tone

    When McCain picked Palin as his running mate he sealed this election for Obama. Palin energizes all that is wrong with America. ………….

    http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/29/obamas-best-chance-palins-example/

  • Andy from MA

    “Sarah Palin policy speech” sounds like an oxymoron. JC, AMC and MS will be back later to explain what Sarah meant.

    As an aside, twenty years from now, some historian looks back at the news coverage that the perpetrated here, what will their opinion will be about the ones who hung on to the tire swing?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Kathy she is bombing so bad its not even funny. There is some polite applause here and there but not much. She must not realize that she is at a SOLAR PANEL MANUFACTURING COMPANY. They don’t want to hear about drilling and coal. And it doesnt seem like somebody wrote this for her. Its in very very long run on sentences.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    She sounds like a bilthering id!ot right now.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    This is supposed to be a “energy policy” speech but she spent the first half tooting her own horn about her non existent 40 billion dollar pipeline and the second half she is just using lame lines about drill here drill now and lying about Obama’s energy plan. She has given not even ONE specific plan that they have. Not a program, not a specific area they want to focus on. Its just sad, really sad

  • ivb3016

    Wow, sg, the description doesn’t surprise me, but at a Solar Panel Co.! Just shows she has no ability to think on her feet or ahead. I think the people who predict she will lead the Repubs in the future are nuts.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    “yes”
    rofl
    .
    I love that Obama commercial that says there’s an alternative to John McCain after showing how he voted against incentives for alternative energy.
    .
    Hope they put her out there for more “policy speeches”

    .
    whoops there seems to be a strange automatic post function when you mention something here on a blog lol. Why a double post too?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    A new scandal for McCain. Its really intriguing how every time he points the finger at Obama supposedly doing something wrong, he ends up getting smashed by the same charge.
    .
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-donorsoct29,0,1269595.story

  • Andy from MA

    If you know anyone who is unsure about voting for Obama, please have them read this piece on Sarah Palin. These religious views are intolerant, electing someone who church is intolerant would be wrong for America.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/166215

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Just watched the Moyers video – wish it could have appeared more widely than on PBS. It’s a message I have tried to convey to my friends who are caught up still in Rev. Wright mania, but nowhere near as articulately as Moyers states it.

    It would be great if Obama’s campaign were to do a national buy for THAT spot, too!

  • sgwhiteinfla

    I have a question that I know no MSM journalist will ask John McCain but I am going to throw it out there anyway. They should ask him “When is a GOOD time to raise taxes?” I would love to see that youtube moment.

  • Andy from MA

    sg: I could actually see tweety ask McCain that question.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    the nytimes has an article that explains McCains plans would expand our national debt more than Obamas, and I don’t see how McCains expenditures would “grow our” economy better than Obama’s.
    .
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/us/politics/29fiscal.html
    .
    during a recession is not the right to prioritize balancing the budget but to invest in programs that will bring our economy out of a ditch.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    You may end up with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I’m entitled to THE math.

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/karl_roves_math.php

    One is of course struck by the utter dissimilarity between this person’s job and what actual research would entail. The difference between using data to determine a result vs using a desired result to massage the data is dramatic.

    Reposting my moderated comment – test

  • ivb3016

    Michael was just on one of our local NPR programs. Alas, I was doing things and didn’t really listen until after he left. He was discussing his article, 7 things that can go wrong…
    .
    Anyone interested can get the audio in an hour or so at http://www.whyy.org and the program is Radio Times. I would put up the link, but am going out until early this evening.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    6 days to go :: Obama up by 9 in Ohio and 12 in Pennsylvania.

  • Joe Bftsplk

    New topic…
    Gas prices are WAY down right before the election:
    .
    http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/29/news/economy/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes
    .
    What’s Cheyney’s role?

  • Joe Bftsplk

    Hey, for once I’m glad to be moderated!
    It will delay revelation of my inability to spell “Cheney” in a post expressing suspicion about gas prices plummeting right before the election.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks
  • Andy from MA

    Paul D or anyone: Is Maeve Reston related to late NY Times reporter James “Scotty” Reston?

  • Andy from MA

    On the Maeve Reston mea culpa

    There would be an opportunity for editors to rotate the @ssignments of these reporters on the bus to maintain at least the appearance of objectivity. However after the dire financial straits news organizations are in must make this practice very difficult.
    .
    Yet why were some reporters like Sam Donaldson, when he reported from the White House in the 70s and 80s, were able to challenge all presidents with questions, regardless of their party?
    .
    KT mentions the lack of access to Joe Biden in her article here:

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1854640,00.html

    Is access to the campaign truly the value the MSM appears to think it is? Can reporting outside rope about what you can’t see a more effective tactic to show how remote the candidates are?
    .
    Any thoughts or comments?

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Yet why were some reporters like Sam Donaldson, when he reported from the White House in the 70s and 80s, were able to challenge all presidents with questions, regardless of their party?

    Andy perhaps you don’t remember that Sam Donaldson got kicked out of the Reagan whitehouse and was generally out of sight for a while when he made a report that suggested that Reagan’s alzheimer was already symptomatic. Perhaps that’s the lesson these younger reporters learned.

  • themaverickformerlyknownasbasilbrush

    Sarah Palin – the Alternative to Energy Candidate.

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