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Casualty Report

I’m told that the U.S. military casualty report for Iraq last week was…4 wounded. That is wonderful news (and, of course, we hope the wounds weren’t serious and our troops recover soon). But you’ve got to wonder why we have nearly 150,000 troops still on the ground there. Yes, there are continuing internecine conflicts–the Times has an ominous report today about the situation in Mosul–but it shouldn’t be the job of the U.S. military to take sides in a squabble between Kurds and the Maliki government.

My guess–a reasonably well-informed one–is that significant withdrawals will begin after the first of the year, with at least two brigades rotating out of Iraq by the end of the winter (and their replacements rotating into Afghanistan instead). Withdrawals will continue apace thereafter, as Iraq transitions into a fairly standard, screwed-up and intermittently violent Middle Eastern state. Indeed, I am told that U.S. intelligence community now considers Pakistan the central front in the war on terror, especially after Al Qaeda tried to blow up the inner circle of Pakistani leadership in the Marriott Hotel bombing in Islamabad.

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  • wvng

    Joe. Thanks for the good news, and best wishes to the wounded troops.

    But is there any reason to believe that the underlying sectarian divisions between Shia, Sunni, and Kurd have eased? Has there actually been meaningful political reconciliation? Has P.M. Maliki changed his mind about the “thugish” nature of the leaders of the Awakening?

    Is there any reason to believe that this is not the clam before a storm?

  • wvng

    Ummm, that would be calm, not clam.

  • FlownOver

    I liked it better as “clam.”

  • kathy

    Another indication that Obama was right in a general way. If troops start to come home before inauguration that would take some of the pressure off Obama (if he wins…) for initiating that.
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    Seems ironic now, doesn’t it, that McCain took Obama to task for saying he’d go after Al Qaeda in Pakistan if Pakistan didn’t pursue them.

  • kathy

    wvng – hoping to find clams in the swamp?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It’s unfortunate to note just how much our Presidential politics interferes with our ability to strategize coherently. If McCain were to win, you can be sure that the drawdown you describe will be delayed simply to prevent an “I told you so” and if Obama is elected, it will be accelerated just to assert I’M in charge now!

    I am told that U.S. intelligence community now considers Pakistan the central front in the war on terror

    This of course also means that the CIA is the central force fighting the war on terror. I have to think that that’s a more effective use of our resources than throwing 150,000 soldiers at the wrong country was.

    All I know is that the overriding issue in this election is keeping John McCain, Randy Scheunemann, and James Woolsey the H377 away from our Middle East policy. As far as I’m concerned it even overrides the economy, because our boneheadedness in the ME is a big part of WHY our economy is in such dire straits.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    It’s unfortunate to note just how much our Presidential politics interferes with our ability to strategize coherently. If McCain were to win, you can be sure that the drawdown you describe will be delayed simply to prevent an “I told you so” and if Obama is elected, it will be accelerated just to assert I’M in charge now!

    I am told that U.S. intelligence community now considers Pakistan the central front in the war on terror

    This of course also means that the CIA is the central force fighting the war on terror. I have to think that that’s a more effective use of our resources than throwing 150,000 soldiers at the wrong country was.

    All I know is that the overriding issue in this election is keeping John McCain, Randy Scheunemann, and James Woolsey away from our Middle East policy. As far as I’m concerned it even overrides the economy, because our boneheadedness in the ME is a big part of WHY our economy is in such dire straits.

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  • pierogielunaire

    Joe,

    I’d love to hear your take on the reports that we the U.S. is threatening to cut off military operations by Jan. 1 if Iraq doesn’t sign the SOFA.

  • wvng

    “Digin clams by the side of the Bay, watching the tide go away, digin clams by the side of the Bay, wastin time.”
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    Swamp clams taste like swamp.
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    Paul, I feel your pain.
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    And now I’m really off to the Obama rally in Harrisonburg.

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  • kathy

    wvng – watching another Obama rally live on CNN, even now.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Some of us remember when Johnson said it was time to bring peace to Vietnam and the war went on for another 7 years.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    I don’t think there’s been any meaningful political reconciliation, but I don’t think there’s anything else we can do militarily do cause that to happen, since the “surge” didn’t work in that capacity. It’s going to be ugly after we leave.
    .
    Afghanistan is going to get uglier, too, since we let it languish in order to pursue the Iraq fantasy. It’s iffy now whether we can salvage that situation.
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    There is little good news, for the long term.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Its almost like swampland is TRYING to make us leave. I have been jonesing so bad I had to go over to politico and do some troll whacking. I would much rather have an intelligent conversation here but the set up is just killing my eyes and we are only getting like 2 blogs a day from the Swamplanders. A week away and this is the BEST they can do?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    moderation h e double hockey sticks. Im off to politico

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ Derek

    The moderation on this site is unbelievable. Why are we all being punished because a few Republicans tried to trash the place?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    how about the obama supporters shouting down the mccain supporters at a rally

  • not who I claim to be

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    I wish you all well and hope see you again…perhaps after the election. A from MA

  • ivb3016

    Andy, KT said they are working on the moderation. Please hang in for a while longer.
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  • sgwhiteinfla

    As I sit here listening to wingnuts at a Palin rally shouting drill baby drill I am struck by the fact that not even one journalist has written an article about how much lower the price of gas has fallen because of the financial crisis. Lets connect the dots here. If this was truly a supply and demand problem our supply has not gone down to justify the lower price. However if it has been as the Democrats allege a problem of too little regulation of the commodity trading then a financial crisis would in fact lower the price. This is the most direct evidence that drilling off shore will have little to no effect and that the real factor on gas and oil prices will come from reform of the commodities traders

  • not who I claim to be

    ibv – we’ll try this new moniker for awhile.

  • ivb3016

    sgwhite, that is something I have wondered about as well. Yesterday I got gasoline and the price was a dollar lower than it had been earlier this summer. When I locked in a price for my heating oil for the winter, I didn’t take the higher price that would fluctuate up or down because I figured there would have to be a $200 difference over the months for that to work out. Now it looks as though I chose the wrong option.
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  • jj1967

    I am told that U.S. intelligence community now considers Pakistan the central front in the war on terror…

    Paging Matt Bai.

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  • sgwhiteinfla

    ivb,

    The funny thing is the moratorium has already been lifted and yet there still isnt any off shore drilling AND McCain is still harping on an issue that has no footing anymore. The ban expired in the congress and Bush lifted the ban earlier so as far as I can tell it should be game on for anybody who really wants to drill off shore.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    sgwhite – the oil companies are waiting for their Federal subsidies so someone else can pay for their exploration :) .

  • Cliff

    I am told that U.S. intelligence community now considers Pakistan the central front in the war on terror
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    Criminy, Joe, we can’t go around saying that out loud! I mean, our enemies in Pakistan are obviously paying more attention to our news shows than to the Predator drones and Blackhawks flying above them; we can’t do anything that might tip them off!

  • jcapan

    But you’ve got to wonder why we have nearly 150,000 troops still on the ground there.

    Yes, I can’t sleep at night b/c I’m doing so much wondering. It baffles me too, Joe. I just can’t figger what’s up in Iraq. You daft wack-tool.

    Oil
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    Better yet, ask why we never went to Burma or Rwanda or, well, you get the picture.

    But, really, no, don’t go there, that might make of you less the estab. cocktail weenie.

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