Wealth Redistribution, Tax Brackets and the Presidential Endgame

The McCain Campaign uncovers a novel bit of oppo today: A heavily-edited 2001 audio tape of Obama on a Chicago radio station discussing the failure of the Civil Rights Movement to redistribute wealth through the courts. Obama says it was a tragedy that civil rights activists were not able to put together “coalitions of power through which you bring about reditributive change.”  This speaks to the McCain late-stage argument that Obama harbors a radical plan to redistribute wealth in America. More concretely, McCain is criticizing Obama for wanting to take away the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and replace them with targeted tax cuts to those with lower incomes. (Update: The full audio has been posted here. A rough transcript here.)

This argument remains problematic for McCain, because back between 2000 and 2004 McCain also had concerns about the distribution of wealth in America. More specifically, he opposed the Bush Tax cuts because a “disproportional amount went to the wealthiest Americans.”

NBC’s Tom Brokaw asked McCain about this on Sunday, during a Meet The Press sit down. McCain’s answer is a bit difficult to parse. He seems to suggest that some progressivity is good in the tax code, but that progressivity should be minimized (or at least not increased) during difficult economic times.

On Sunday, Brokaw played McCain tape of his 2000 and 2004 quotes opposing the Bush tax cuts, which he now supports extending, on the grounds that the wealthy do not need such a big tax break. Here is McCain’s response:

MCCAIN: That’s what — listen, even the flat tax people somewhat pay more. Even — you put into different, categories of wealthier people paying, higher taxes into different brackets. I mean — and the — and these are different times, my friend. These are times of the biggest financial crisis we’ve faced in America.

BROKAW: Well, let me raise that, then, if I…

MCCAIN: So — so let me just tell you again, I also said, when I opposed the Bush tax cuts, said — that is left out of this equation. I said I’ve got to — we’ve got to get spending under control. Spending was completely out of control. We laid a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America. We owe the Chinese a half a trillion dollars. Spending was the — was the, I think, the really biggest aspect, to a large degree. It weakens the dollar, it raises the cost of goods to Americans. The housing crisis combined with a country that’s living way beyond its means is a combination which has put us into this great financial crisis we’re in.

UPDATE: Per Politico’s Ben Smith, the Obama campaign has pushed back with the Harvard Law Professor Cass Sunstein, who makes the point that Obama did not say in the interview that he supports the courts creating a right to redistribution of wealth. But Sunstein does not contest the fact that Obama is advocating in this interview “redistributive change” through popular organization, which is presumably another way of saying legislative action.

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  • Joe Bftsplk

    I presume that by “a bit difficult to parse”, you mean “completely incoherent”?

  • wvng

    Senator Honorable strikes again. Just nine more days of this and, if McCain loses, I suspect he will find the senate a chillier place than it used to be.

  • pafro

    G.Gordon Liddy
    Augusto Pinochet
    BFF’s

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    McCain’s answer is a bit difficult to parse.

    baby steps. Like Joe B says “completely incoherent” and he also has no frickin’ idea what he is talking about. Which is different.

    Maybe when MS does his post-election retrospective piece on McCain he’ll notice that he is ALWAYS “difficult to parse.” Or is saying nothing substantive at all.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    We laid a $10 trillion debt on future generations of America. We owe the Chinese a half a trillion dollars. Spending was the — was the, I think, the really biggest aspect, to a large degree. It weakens the dollar, it raises the cost of goods to Americans. The housing crisis combined with a country that’s living way beyond its means is a combination which has put us into this great financial crisis we’re in.

    “And therefore, I am going to oppose a freeze on all but the most essential spending. Yes sir, there will be NO French Fruit Fry, I mean, FLY research in a McCain/whatshername administration.”

  • sgwhiteinfla

    I have to give it to him, Tom Brokaw actually went after McCain a couple of times. And John McCain was PI$$ED. I thought he would break that pen he carries around all the time for a second. From the last few posts it seems that MS might be getting ready to jump off the swing…What say you MS?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    By the way I just found this video of paid volunteers working for the McCain campaign which I believe violates some kind of campaign rule. It doesnt help that a guy with the last name McCain comes out and assaults the woman doing the interviews either. A must see!

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/27/8424/4447/771/642984

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Throw in one or two also’s and a betcha and you wouldn’t be able to tell thge difference between him and Paling. First he said he went to Washington and it changed him, now he picked Palin and that seems to have left its mark. Maybe we should be more worried about McCains’s associations — Liddy, Pinochet — bomb bomb Iran. Okay then.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Throw in one or two also’s and a betcha and you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between him and Palin. (previous comment stuck in moderatin again)

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Re: the radio interview:

    1. I assume TIME is working to obtain the full interview, and isn’t just waiting for it to be posted on YouTube by IAmJoeThePlumber08.

    2. In the clip, Obama laments as premature the civil rights movement celebration of its judicial victories, given the inadequacy of the courts to address bedrock economic inequities — a reality he had seen firsthand as a community organizer. He is commenting — accurately, as usual — on this, not calling for the courts to provide reparations as it is being spinned.

    Obama’s observations amount to one of about a billion similar obvious, non-newsworthy takes on the current state of the civil rights movement. Not only does it not justify a 99-point, three row Drudge screamer, it shouldn’t even get you to second base with a Vassar girl.

  • http://derekg.wordpress.com/ derekg

    Obama’s plan is real radical. He isn’t even proposing to bring taxes back to the level they were under Clinton.

    There was someone else in history who was opposed to taxes, like McCain and Palin, Karl Marx. Taxation, for the public welfare, is come to liberal economies.

  • wvng

    Brokaw actually did pretty well. But I’m waiting for the reporter/pundit who asks him how his connections to Liddy and Chalabi are not only much more substantive than Obama’s Ayers connection, but also much more problematic in terms of the actual harm they did to America.

    And, perhaps, also quote the full “I wish we had done more . . . ” Ayers quote to show that McCain has consistently taken it out of context.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I have to give it to him, Tom Brokaw actually went after McCain a couple of times. And John McCain was PI$$ED

    And Krstol today advocates opening up both McCain and Palin to the press. “Could the press coverage get worse?” he asks:

    http://politicallagoon.blogspot.com/2008/10/perils-of-nepotism.html

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    I have to give it to him, Tom Brokaw actually went after McCain a couple of times. And John McCain was PI$$ED

    And Krstol today advocates opening up both McCain and Palin to the press. “Could the press coverage get worse?” he asks:

    politicallagoon.blogspot.com/2008/10/perils-of-nepotism.html

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    That post, with the hypertext protocol prepended, disappeared.

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    Perhaps all these arguments about ‘wealth redistribution’ would be more coherent if we instead refered to it as ‘consumer enhancement’. Since every decision made by every corporation seems to be geared toward lowering their tax liability and their labor cost, the direct result of their acting in their rational self-interest has been the utter decimation of their own customer base. Obama made it very clear in his response to Joe the Plumber. A healthy economy requires that the bulk of Americans feel safe spending money for things they want. If they can’t do that then EVERYONE suffers including the so-called ‘fat cats’ who’s own decisionmaking helped lead to the problem and who’s own tax and political preferences shortsightedly make their own problems worse.

  • piper1

    Before I comment on this subject which is near and dear to my heart, let me just say that everything about this new layout is inferior to the previous design. It is SUBSTANTIALLY less pleasant to look at and looks like any other cheap blog and not that of a mainstream news magazine. The password system is silly. No preview is hard to fathom. And I’m seeing some problems with paragraph spacing.

    All in all, heckuva job High Sheriffs! Way to leave well enough alone!!

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    Wng — what you’re asking would require journalists to take an honest look at McCain and stop chalking up his most dishonest actions as typical campaign maneuvering. It woudl rquire an independent press to see their obligation to the nation as less like political consultants spinning for their preferred candidates and more as agents of investigation and enlightment for the citizenry on whose behalf their 1st ammendment right was given.

  • chaddogg

    Having listened to that interview….why is in controversial? Obama said that:
    - Cne of the great tragedies of civil rights is that is stopped with equal justice regardless of skin color, but did not acheive or strike down inequality brought about by wealth disparities (i.e. we all want equality of opportunity, but we’re not acheiving it really until every child, regardless of family income, has the same educational opportunities).

    - Courts could not address these problems because courts don’t work that way; legislatures are the only place to address the effects of income disparity (a CONSERVATIVE position in favor of elected legislatures doing LEGISLATING, and courts sticking to the correct position of interpreting the law).

    Where is the controversy here? He wasn’t saying “steal from the rich, give to the poor” or “let’s go socialism” — he said that income-based inequalities still exist and were not eliminated by the civil rights movement, and that legislatures need to find ways to address them (whether it be improved financial aid for education to ensure lower and middle class families can afford to educate their children, etc.)

  • http://ktheintz.wordpress.com/ kth

    McCain’s health-care proposal contains a $5000 refundable tax credit for families ($2500 individual). Whoever creates his talking points obviously assumes total ignorance on the part of his listeners.

    Let’s put socialism on a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being a free-market paradise like Brazil, and 10 being a complete command economy like North Korea. On that scale, Obama is probably a 4 and McCain a 3.75. The silliest part of this ‘socialism’ talking point isn’t so much the suggestion that Obama is a socialist, but that there is more than a hair’s breadth between Obama and McCain on the scale of currently viable political economies.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Dirks-
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    Yeah. “Heavens!! Demand for our product is dropping. Consumers are hunkering down!! They’re worried about the future. We’d better lay off 5000 people. Now.”
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    It’s for this reason that Krugman and others are advocating infrastructure projects. I don’t see a useful alternative.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Hey, that period thing to serve as a paragraph break worked. Period followed by a carriage return. Life without preview. It’s like using wordstar again, and reading articles about the coming of WYSIWIG.

  • Ohg Rea Tone

    This election is not about wealth redistribution, or about race, or about the wars in Iraq. It comes down to this – the Republicans abandoned their base of fiscal conservatives in favor of cultural conservatives. ………..

    http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/26/republicans-intellectual-or-joe-six-pack/

  • sgwhiteinfla

    I posted a link up thread that was stuck in moderation that is now liberated. It has a link to a kos diary that has a video that is a must see about volunteers getting paid from you know who’s campaign.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Ohg Rea Tone,

    Not that it matters but do you just post here to promote your firesidepost blogs?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    piper–
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    This is pretty clearly a stopgap in response to the Friday server meltdown. I’m the sheriffs do not intend the current interface to be a permanent one.
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    One might think they would make an announcement, but they can’t really do that unless they can make a promise they can keep. That’s harder than you might think.
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    I love TPM, but they killed off a great discussion forum four or so years ago, promising something better, pretty much every three months. Hasn’t happened yet. These things are harder than you might think.

  • wvng

    Dee, I’m sorry. Whatever was I thinking.

    Jay, ah WYSIWAG – how thrilling that was. My word processing experience goes all the way back to WANG systems. You?

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  • wvng

    jay, Balloon Juice changed their system a few weeks ago and it seems to work really well. But they do not moderate even a tiny bit.
    http://www.balloon-juice.com/

    Since you seem to be knowledgeable on this, what would you suggest the High Sheriffs do?

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    First word processor for me was the TRS-80 model II’s Scripsit. That’s unless you count using vi on a Unix box. The college computer lab ran a PDP1170 with 16 terminals at the time. Running SPSS jobs at the local crossinstitution research center was still batch jobs submitted by punch cards to an IBM mainframe.

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  • usernamehijacked

    MS: On Sunday, Brokaw played McCain tape of his 2000 and 2004 quotes opposing the Bush tax cuts, which he now supports extending, on the grounds that the wealthy do not need such a big tax break.

    When you consider that the most common zipcodes of McCain’s contributors live in the wealthiest areas of America, it’s no suprise that McCain has flip-flopped on the issue, or that he’s incoherent in defense of his flip-flop on the issue.

    (We lose Preview and I get my login name hijacked…Thanks, Swampland! Ur site Rawks!)

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  • usernamehijacked

    Test

    Other test

    This is a blockquote

    Bold and italics work, as does the anchor tag…gotta have line spacing, ‘tho or the comments are unreadable.

  • wvng

    I think WANG predated TRS-80, didn’t it? I used that as well,a nd my first personal computer was an Osborne portable with WordStar. We had a PDP 1134 at work, on which we had something like 32K (if I remember right) of memory. Ah, the good old days.
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    Speaking of WYSIWYG, I was in a programming group that did the first ever complete CAD drawings for a development. And I didn’t get to see the results of my work until it was taken off the computer via tape and plotted on a CalComp plotter. May I just say that hilarity ensued the first time around.
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    Many years ago. Haven’t done any real programming in years.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Everybody else: What You See Is What You Get. It was not always easy to predict what would come out of your printer in the early days of word processing. WYSIWYG was an early design goal for microcomputer software systems.
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    I don’t know enough to give advice wvng. I just think you need to realize that this was not a planned transition, so there will be difficulties for a while in all likelihood. It really won’t help to complain in any except the most constructive ways. (A rule I broke with the preview crack. But I’m trying…)
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    Balloon Juice is not of the same order of magnitude. And I’m sure that was a planned transition. Moreover, the comment threads in the blogs is not a high priority item for the dev team. It may be important in the long run. But first they have to make sure they do no harm on web presentation of the print edition’s content, and then make sure the blog posts work and look okay.

  • usernamehijacked

    Last test

    Should be a line space above.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Usernamehacked–
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    All that means is that someone on wordpress has your username. There’s a method for displaying the name you want displayed. Take a look at the account set up. You’re obviously capable of figuring it out.
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    It occurs to me that a closing -30 or . followed by a carriage return, as a convention, will make the threads more readable until the sheriffs get a fix in place.
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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Wang had the brilliant idea of a dedicated word processing minicomputer, which did predate microcomputers. Shortlived brilliance, unfortunately.
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  • artpepper

    This speaks to the McCain late-stage argument that Obama harbors a radical plan to redistribute wealth in America. More concretely, McCain is criticizing Obama for wanting to take away the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and replace them with targeted tax cuts to those with lower incomes
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    Maybe this was too obvious to comment about, Michael, but you do see that the first item does not follow at all from the second? So rather than “More concretely,” it would be better to say “In reality…”
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    The Bush tax cuts were the radical plan to redistribute wealth, and it’s been working.

  • usernamehijacked

    .
    Okay, think I have it figured out now…
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    > Line spacing accomplished by using a single character on a line.
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    > >b< and >i< formatting allowable.
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    > >blockquote< allowable.
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    > >a href=”< anchor tags for hyperlinks allowable.
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    Now if I could just get ‘grape_crush’ back as a username, I’d be a happier lad.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    OCTOBER SURPRISE! Obama caught openly thinking aloud about how one might act on What Jesus Would Do!

  • wvng
  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    COMEBACK! McCain gaining … on Estes Kefauver.

  • wvng

    “Wang had the brilliant idea of a dedicated word processing minicomputer, which did predate microcomputers. Shortlived brilliance, unfortunately.”

    True, but beat the heck out of the IBM Selectrix for a while.

    And then their monitors became the first ever computer accessory paperweights.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Law firms.
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    Most of them switched to wordperfect, eventually.
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  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    You need to cut it out or I’ll start recounting fond memories of my Commodore 64 with the 300 baud modem and the 40 column tape-fed plotter/printer.

  • mccainfluffer

    Re: Wang Computers and IBM Selectrix.

    The McCain Campaign is akin to the Tandy Color Computer II.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Yes!
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    pourmecoffee’s idea of creating a boldfaced headline is also a good way of separating posts. If we keep experimenting, conventions will arise.
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  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Misleading, hysterical exaggerations about Obama’s record, and a complete absence of knowledgeable policy proposals.

    Wow, that’s some endgame from John McCain. The Dems are really in trouble.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    TechWars
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    You need to cut it out or I’ll start recounting fond memories of my Commodore 64 with the 300 baud modem and the 40 column tape-fed plotter/printer.
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    They remind me of the Monty Python bit set up north somewhere where they alternate stories of childhood deprivation:
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    “You had a cardboard box?!? We would have killed to live in a cardboard box.
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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Tightening
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    Wow, that’s some endgame from John McCain. The Dems are really in trouble.
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    Yep. The race is definitely tightening.
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  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Aha. the anchor href tag works. using that will also make the threads more readable.

  • mickeymusing

    It’s pretty clear that the majority of America is less worried about wealth redistribution than they are about a collapsing economy that for eight years redistributed wealth to the already wealthy. “Wealth redistribution” is a relative phrase. The right uses it to scare people about social welfare, while vigorously engaging in the practice to provide corporate welfare. The scare tactics used to work, but the moral bankruptcy of Republican principles has been revealed and it will take more than a few words to win people back.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Dammit
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    Aha. the anchor href tag works. using that will also make the threads more readable.
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    But you have to remember all these things. It is a trip back to the halcyon days of the 80s.
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  • gysgt213

    Michael,
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    How about updating your post with the Obama camps response and the full audio released by the radio station.
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    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
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    http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=639

  • incandenzah

    I also want to weigh in to say that I find this new comments format to be hideously difficult to read.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Tech Wars cont.
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    Did I mention the acoustic coupler I used in grad school?
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    That was 300 baud too.
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  • wvng

    Palin is the WANG of politicians!

    Big splash on entry, short shelf life, great paper weight.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    McCain fantasizing about kinky threesomes!

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Everything Backfires
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    Nice get gunny. More documentation of Obama’s thoughtful, balanced background, as a result of McCain lying about both Obama’s past remarks, and his own plan. Billy Kristol is right. Set McCain loose. Reopen the Straight Talk Express. Let McCain be McCain. (If he does that, I’m long Orville Reddenbacker, even in this market.
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  • toddandincharge

    MS:

    “He seems to suggest that some progressivity is good in the tax code, but that progressivity should be minimized (or at least not increased) during difficult economic times.”

    Quite the opposite, Michael. Did you not hear his absurd “response” to Brokaw’s questioning why McCain wants to redistribute $300 billion from responsible homeowners to bail out those who irresponsibly borrowed more than they could afford? He cited those same “economic times” as requiring more progressivity in order ameliorate economic suffering. Same with his non-answer on the $700 billion bail out that McCain supports.

    In other words, Grampy made no sense at all yesterday. Didn’t even pass the blush test we use in court to determine whether an argument is so attenuated we can’t say it to a judge with a straight face.

  • wvng

    Tech Wars cont.

    On the other side of all this, I was able to do a Master’s thesis on my little portable Osborne computer with Wordstar and a decent spreadsheet program and a connection to statistical software on the university mainframe via a 300 baud acoustic coupler.

    For those of you younguns trying to imagine an Osborne computer, via Wikipedia, “The Osborne 1 featured a 5 inch (127 mm) 52-column display, two floppy-disk drives, a Z80 microprocessor, 64k of RAM, and could fit under an airplane seat. It could survive being accidentally dropped and included a bundled software package that included the CP/M operating system, the BASIC programming language, the WordStar word processing package, and the SuperCalc spreadsheet program.”

  • usernamehijacked

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    yes, I got the LT and GT brackets off
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    Sorry, jayack – disagree again. Figuring that out takes time out of my day, and having to give out my email addy yet again is annoying.
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    Anyhow, discussing McCain’s Palin-esque meander of a response to Brokaw’s question is much more interesting than pi$$ing and moaning about the commenting functionality on this site.

  • wvng

    Osborne pictures here. http://oldcomputers.net/osborne.html
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    I upgraded to the Executive when my original computer got stolen. 6″ amber screen. Big times.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Wang gets through. John McCain is a wang. I would like to show you my enormous wang. Wang, wang, wang.

  • wvng

    Hmmm, no moderator kickouts this thread so far. And I’ve talked about WANGS.

  • beccabyrd

    Me,too- on the format. Reminds me of the old Commodore days (and I’m not at all ‘puter savvy- pretty sad statement). Plus, I had to re-register with a new username. Unsettling, for some weird reason. Is it ever to be thus?

    Anyway, this is just another of the Pontius Pilate attacks the Right always throws at dems. Accuse them of intending to do exactly what the Right has been doing for years- redistributing wealth.

    The level of dishonesty in GOP circles is truly breathtaking these days.

  • michaelscherer

    gysgt213,

    Updated per your request.

    m.

  • pseudonymous in NC

    I liked Josh Marshall’s line that the McCain campaign has regressed through every Republican attack line since about 1947. I mean, seriously, you have Obama, with a tax plan that’s to the right of the British Tories, and he’s some kind of commie? It’s prima facie dumb. (My sister-in-law had ‘heard’ from somewhere — presumably wingnut radio — that under Obama, everyone would get paid the same.)

    Of course, we know where this particular line of attack is grounded: forty years back.

  • andyinny

    re-edited audio can take innocuous words and turn them into a confession of a capital crime. Sam Dash former Watergate counsel recorded his law school lecture and re-edited the tape into a murder confession.

  • andyinny

    I just had my last comment kicked out.

  • andyinny

    re-edited audio can take innocuous words and turn them into a confession of a capital crime. Sam Dash former Watergate counsel recorded his law school lecture and re- edited it into a confession.

  • andyinny

    You can’t use the m word.

  • http://pourmecoffee.blogspot.com pourmecoffee

    Drudge, you are slipping! The “Marxist Leader” attack is not nearly as crazy-good as the “Terrorist Muslim” one. If you are already committed to screaming insane lies, I don’t see the angle in substituting “He wants to help poor people!” for “He wants to murder us all!” Tighten it up!

  • usernamehijacked

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    andyinny: You can’t use the m word.
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    Masochist? Malodorous? Muskegon?
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    Too bad we’ll never know…

  • andyinny

    If you were from NYC you might say moider.

  • toddandincharge

    Hey, I had a Trash-80 back in the day. Played Hammurabi and all. You’re right — this format sucks big-time!

  • tarzanofthecows

    NICE! Here’s a hilarious video poking fun at Palin supporters:

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Untimely
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    yes, it does seem words that refer to the untimely demise of someone else does irritate the moderabot.
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  • sgwhiteinfla

    Mike Scherer
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    Thats the worst update EVER!
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    How about including this part of the rebuttal?
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    “What the critics are missing is that the term ‘redistribution’ didn’t man in the Constitutional context equalized wealth or anything like that. It meant some positive rights, most prominently the right to education, and also the right to a lawyer,” Sunstein said. “What he’s saying – this is the irony of it – he’s basically taking the side of the conservatives then and now against the liberals.”
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    Better yet why not provide the link to the full version of the interviews?
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    http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=639
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    Where is cincinattus when you need him?

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Got me again ;(

  • andyinny

    This is indeed a challenge.
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    How do you get anything past the sensors (sp intentional)?

  • FlownOver

    This format has serious negative air pressure.

    On the merits, howe is a tax policy exacerbating a continuing increase in the income gap not income redistribution? The GOP practices serious class warfare, just via more covert means.

  • FlownOver

    Maybe the ModeratoBot will correct my spelling error – it’s how, of course.

  • http://www.inworldstudios.com jayackroyd

    Devolution
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    Toles
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  • oizydoizy

    “Oppo” would be a good name for a Marx brother.

  • kathy

    Monday’s a day I have to watch fox at someone else’s house. Major Garrett gave a better defense of Obama not being a socialist than I’ve seen any surrogate give (or any other network give). very impressed.

  • incandenzah

    Anonymous Liberal has an excellent take-down of this latest crazy-point from the McCain campaign. To key section:
    ‘[Obama's] point is a very simple one, that reforms to our educational system and economic institutions should be pursued outside of the courts, through grass-roots organization and legislation. This is something that virtually all conservatives agree with.’
    http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2008/10/wingnuts-lament.html

  • lynnanne

    Excellent point, sgw, & thanks for the link. (Keeping posts short in hopes they will not be moderated to oblivion.)

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  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    Whoever came up w/ this new design and login, and decided that no preview was necessary is as good as his/her job as Scherer is at his. Which is to say they don’t do their jobs very well.

    Can we still criticize Scherer and get past the moderator?

  • cincinnatus est exterminata!

    In any font or layout, Michael Scherer is a hack. I have a suggestion for you Michael Scherer: May you practice coprophagy and shuffle off this mortal coil!

  • http://jesusnewsblog.007gb.com/redistributionofwealth.html redistribution of wealth

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  • artpepper

    incandenzah: “This is something that virtually all conservatives agree with”
    .
    Unless a Democrat says it, of course.

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  • bradclark

    The difference is, and who knows if McCain understands this or not, a matter of efficiency. There is no argument that wealth redistribution is an important part of a healthy and vital economy. The method of distribution is what should be the topic of discussion. Obama’s plan calls for the government taking from the wealthy and giving to the less wealthy via refundable tax credits (which means people will get a check from the government even if they paid a net zero taxes). While this “spreads the wealth” as desired, it does so at a net cost to our GDP. The transaction cost (the overhead of employing people, buildings, equipment, etc) of the government as an intermediary makes no contribution to our GDP and thus winds up reducing the overall wealth of everyone.

    A Pier to Pier model is much more efficient because each party in the transaction could be a contributor to GDP.

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