In the Arena

More Elections

For those who haven’t had quite enough, thank you, of the vagaries of democracy, there are two fascinating, maybe crucial, elections coming down the pike in early 2009–in Israel and Iran. (Actually 3: the regional elections in Iraq, scheduled for late January will be pretty important, too.)

Now that Tzipi Livni has failed to form a government–those pesky ultra-orthodox parties play Chicago ward politics and her proposed bribes were insufficient–there will be elections in Israel in February or March. The current front-runner is the eternal Binyamin Netanyahu of Likud, who sets neoconservative hearts aflutter in the U.S…but who knows how this will shake out? Livni is much admired in Israel–and clean…but is she tough enough? (Does this sound familiar?) She faces competition not only from Bibi on the right but also from (Ehud) Barak on the left. If Netanyahu and Obama win, there could be some real tensions between the U.S. and Israel. If Netanyahu and McCain win–kaboom–there will be a much more aggressive, perhaps martial, posture toward Iran.

Speaking of Iran, there are intriguing reports today about Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s health. He’s exhausted, it is said–a condition that might have something to do with the unpopularity of his domestic policies (30% inflation) and the probability that he will face a tough reelection fight next June. Ahmadinejad is likely to be challenged by the reformers–Mohammad Khatami, who proceeded Ahmadinejad and raised some hopes for reform, but didn’t have the power to do very much, may run again. And so may Ali-Akhbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, another former president–and the candidate of the business elites (but considered corrupt by the public). More to the point, Ahmadinejad may be challenged by a candidate favored by the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei, whose support tends to be pivotal (his minions supported Ahmadinejad in the runoff against Rafsanjani last time, but there have been signs that Khamenei may have had second thoughts). As with all things Iranian, the import of this election is murky, although it may be provide an indication of how public opinion is trending. If the Supreme Leader really pushes a preferred candidate other than Ahmadinejad, the election may be very significant, indeed.

The Iraqi elections will be closely watched as an indication of the relative strength of the Shi’ite parties. Will Malaki’s Dawa Party gain strength? Is Muqtada al-Sadr still a force? And what about the Iranophilic Hakim family’s fate? Since these are regional elections, they’ll have only a tangential impact of the future of the Baghdad government. But they’ll be a leading indicator–and, if they proceed quietly, it will be another sign that our job in Iraq is getting closer to finished.

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  • sgwhiteinfla

    proceeded=preceeded

  • sqr1

    Competition from the left as well as the right? Fascinating! Our political scientists should study this — how do you say it? — multi-party system.

    BTW, I lost my nom de plume with the transition to wordpress. You all will have to learn to be annoyed by me with a new name.

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    Thanks for some smart grown-up stuff, Joe.
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    I wonder how strained US-Israel relations would really be were Netanyahu and Obama to win. The Israeli public soured very rapidly on the misguided incursion into Lebanon. I wouldn’t think that Netanyahu would be eager to do something that counterproductive and unpopular– unless, of course, he’s drawn the McCain/Kristol lesson that we just need to kill them harder next time.
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    Of course, if Netanyahu takes similar action against Palestinian territories, that could well cause tensions.
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    Also, I’d thought that Khatemi had lost popularity due to his inability to push reform.

  • Hammerlock

    What sg said.
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    I think its easier to read gizzards and tea leaves than to attempt a successful guesstimate on Iranian politics. A ‘safe’ bet is that Achmedinajad is likely on the way out unless something happens between now and then–he just doesn’t seem to have much support from any section of the populace.
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    Israel I can’t begin to speculate on, but an Obama win could take some of the wind out of Netanyahu’s sails–or give him a mandate. It really comes down to how safe they feel, though I’d say any israeli politician is likely 10x as martial as any US candidate by necessity.

  • andyinny

    I think Joe Klein has hit on where the “test” will be coming from, for the next U.S. president, Iran or Israel. Interesting.

  • andyinny

    Hammerlock, I wonder if his health is treated by the same system that the Soviets used, and I’m not talking about medical care if you get my drift.

  • Cliff

    sqrl – what was your previous nom de plume?

  • Cliff

    If Netanyahu and McCain win–kaboom–there will be a much more aggressive, perhaps martial, posture toward Iran.
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    How much more martial can we get? I mean, if our stance gets any more aggressive we’ll have to start (ahem) engaging in martial relations with them.

  • andyinny

    I think it’s Cincy, Cliff.

  • sgwhiteinfla

    Cliff if Bibi and McCain are in office at the same time you can count on an all out war between israel and iran with us jumping in and probably russia and china coming at us. It might be a scene out of Red Dawn for real

  • paschendale1917

    Exhaustion? Here in the US that typically means you’ve been doing way too many under-the-counter pharmaceuticals. Does that mean he’ll be checking into the Betty Ford clinic sometime soon? There’s a mental picture for you – Ahmadinejad in primal scream therapy with Lindsay Lohan.

  • grape_crush

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  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Andyinny – KGB-style comprehensive coverage?

  • http://phd9.blogspot.com Paul Dirks

    As with all things Iranian, the import of this election is murky

    Does everyone remember “Kremlinology” wherein everyone tried to determine the future of Russian politics by ascertaining who was sitting next to whom during the Mayday parades?

  • andyinny

    Pirate Wench, yes…the copay is very expensive…a killer.

  • andyinny

    Pirate Wench, yes…the copay is very expensive…it’s moider.

    Paul Dirks the target demo was: age 75 to deceased of that crew.

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  • andyinny

    Let me see if this works.

  • Andy from Massachusetts

    I think this works much better. Thank you Mr. Dirks.

    BTW Mr.Carney just posted his story on McCain’s comeback.

    Tire swing 4ever!

  • Andy from Massachusetts

    I think this works much better. Thank you Mr. Dirks

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the Student

    Thanks Paul

  • southernbell49

    I know this news is completely o/t but Junior Johnson, a NASCAR living legend, endorsed Obama.

    The fact tha old-timey white Southern Dems like Dean Smith, Ralph Stanley and Junior Johnson have embraced Obama really is big news. And so did Andy Griffith.

  • Cliff

    sgwhiteinfla – He11, if it’s just McCain in office we’ll probably be facing war with Iran. A hawk in charge of Israel will probably just cause the Middle East to go into multi-ball mode.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the Student

    Obama’s speech was hot. I think it’ll work.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    About Israel I hope they can hold thier horses. And not go off the reservation sort of speak with a preemptive strike or a unilateral action in the middle east. I hope Syria doesn’t make a big stink out of the US incursion too. It would force Obama to change the subject and fast – and although he’s shown an ability to think and speak on his feet – it may cause some finiky recent winovers for him to give McCain a second look before election day.

    I hate to point this out but doesn’t McCain sound more, how do you say it, cranky? Whats the word im looking for raspy? Aged? Its kinda distracting from his stump – and it would be pointless to compare his stump with Obama’s new speech, but it’s been like this sense Obama won the delagates for his nomination. I thought McCain would get better at this stuff. Its painful to watch McCain’s speeches all the way thru.

  • sqr1

    Actually, I’ll leave it as is.

    But it wasn’t Cincy or Obamish.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student
  • sqr1

    My gut tells me that a Obama-Netanyahu dynamic would result in Obama taking a “much more aggressive, perhaps martial, posture toward Iran” rather than any tensions. Obama seems predisposed to avoiding confrontations. For all of our sakes, let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.

  • ivb3016

    BTW, it seems as though this is going to be our new venue. jayackroyd pointed out that all the old posts are now back (see older entries at the bottom) but without any of the comments. Sigh. All those pearls, lost forever.
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    jay also suggested that we try to develop some conventions to make things a little more readable.
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    You will note that putting a character like a period in a line will create a line break. He suggested we do that at the end of posts, but it looks as though the sheriffs managed to get a break between them already.
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    Andy back to his real state mentioned that Jay Carney has his McCain comeback story up on Time.com in case anyone is interested. Jay points out the Meet the Press coherence problems, but still holds out hope.

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    How could it possibly be Cincy or Obamish???
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    Obama’s “wind-up” in Canton was stirring to watch and listen to. Such a contrast with McCain’s angry sputtering. Words are words, I know, but words also have the ability to inspire and challenge. And, by now I think most can see that there’s more to the man than “just” the ability to inspire with words. These words, however, set the perfect, Presidential tone. Can’t wait to see what Black Johnnie and Bloody Sarah, stiletto-shod scourge of the tundra, are going to go out with :) .

  • http://elvisberg.wordpress.com Elvis Elvisberg

    I don’t think that Jay Carney’s story is at all unreasonable. He describes McCain’s optimism, which is fair enough. The one thing I think is a little off is that he mentions McCain’s lousy turn in early 2007 as a reason to believe in the possibility of a comeback. That would only make sense if there were a year left in the campaign.

  • ivb3016

    Elvis, that was the part I thought was unreasonable. McCain’s comeback in New Hampshire was in one state where he spent all his time for a month doing retail politics there. At that point he also still had a bit of luster left from McCain 1.0. NH is also a state that was predisposed to like his maverickyness.

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    Have you guys seen the electoral vote distribution at 538?
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    It gives Obama a 375 EV victory 2000 out of 10000 simulations or 1 out of every 5 times in 10000 simulations. That is cause for hope I think (:
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    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com

  • http://engstudent.wordpress.com/ Eric the student

    Hah! The periods do work.

  • sqr1

    “How could it possibly be Cincy or Obamish???”
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    I was half tempted to make my new name “KT here” just to mess with people.
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    “jay also suggested that we try to develop some conventions to make things a little more readable.”
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    I propose that if your post is deliberately intended to hijack the thread you preface it with “TROLL:” OTOH, if your post is a simple regurgitation of GOP talking points, begin it with “WINGNUT:” Finally, if your post is a weak defense of an earlier, unsupported claim and/or a suckup to Halperin, you begin with “SCHERER:”
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  • grape_crush

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    Elvis Elvisberg: I don’t think that Jay Carney’s story is at all unreasonable.

    Neither do I. Interesting that the byline now reads, ‘James Carney’…

  • Cliff

    But it wasn’t Cincy or Obamish.
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    I didn’t figure you were obamish. Your post didn’t seethe with the hatred of all decent things, and you went an entire sentence without referencing the Clintons or calling us libnix or demlicks.

  • ivb3016

    More toward the topic of Joe’s post – so here we are with Syria threatening retaliation and Pakistan not so happy either. Is this going to be the last salvo of the Bush neocons? A war for Obama?

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    per jk’s last observation on iraq, there’s a paper that was published online last week by one hoover scholar and an officer–both under west point’s auspices
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    it’s worth a read and can be found at http://ctc.usma.edu/Iran_Iraq.asp
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    among other things, they conclude that the al-maliki coalition will NOT pass a SOFA in any way acceptable to US until after iraqi elections. period.
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    the also suggest the possibility that al Sadr is more or less under house arrest in iran. the paper concludes iran is meddling mightily in iraq but also that iran has a certain level of stability in iraq in common with US. implication: US and iran have basis for serious negotiation. these are not left-leaning guys so it makes the paper all the more interesting

  • pseudonymous in NC

    You wonder whether Bill-the-shill Kristol will devote himself, as PNAC did in the late 1990s, to prepping Bibi. In which case, Bibi would be smart to ignore every bit of advice her receives. I hope he listens hard.

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    i’ve read several comments comparing old swampland with new. i still don’t have a good sense of how “awaiting moderation” works?
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    looking at the comments now I see a post i made numbered 39.
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    looking at the comments using a different browser I seen somebody else has post 39 and no sign of my post–obviously, as my post is awaiting moderation.
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    how long does moderation typically take?

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    I know the Israeli system is a bit different from ours, but am wondering if perhaps they, too, are ready to move on past Bibi and Barak and try something more…I hate to say centrist due to the connotation it has here, but between the two extremes presented as alternatives, that’s the best descriptor I can come up with, so, something more centrist? The other two paths are both tried and tired…perhaps Israelis will follow our example and to with sanity this time around?

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    test: -i-r-a-q?

  • ivb3016

    archimedesncarlsbad Hard to tell how long moderation takes. Over the week-end it took a long time. Less today. The annoying thing is that if your own post is in moderation, you can see it but no one else can. In the beginning I kept referring to my post at 19, and Kathy referred to her post at 19, then someone else had a post at 19. Seems all of ours were in moderation and could only be seen by us.
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    Then, when liberated the post takes its place by time posted, so that responses slide into the mix and nobody knows because we are already 20 posts further down.
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    We are trying to work out what causes the moderator bot to act.

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    so, my procedure post went through instantly as it did not contain in potentially inflammatory words such as -i-r-a-q or al s-a-d-r or -i-r-a-n?

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    ivb3016: thanks. I now understand some of the comments I’ve read
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    I haven’t posted here before yesterday though I’ve visited the site regularly for some time. It seems a bit odd that I can post instantly by simply changing the spelling of words.

  • Dee in Columbia MD

    perhaps Israelis will follow our example and to with sanity this time around?

    Pirate wench — I’ve heard it said that sanity can be contagious. Hopefully America stat a world trend that has nothing to do with paying exhorbitants amounts of money for vynl bags or high heel shoes.

  • gysgt213

    Senator Stevens found guilty Breaking bad news for Obama.

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    Dee: not likely. See today’s piece http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/27/world/middleeast/27israel.html.
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    especially, read last 3 paragraphs.
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    I was there in summer 2005 on a fellowship. this sort of gut-wrenching thing was relatively common then and my sense is it’s heating up again.

  • ivb3016

    arch… I don’t think those words were the ones that caused moderation in your other posts.
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    Over the weekend regulars like kathy, rose, and I all had posts held and we don’t use naughty words. I said in another one that I used language appropriate to a high school college prep student. Perhaps the bot isn’t very clever.

  • ivb3016

    Gunny, what great news!! Thanks.
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    Bad news for the Democrats

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    Hum? I just responded to Dee in MD and my post disappeared.
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    Not even, awaiting moderation?
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    And I cannot imagine what word triggered it unless gut-wrenching modifier did it?

  • archimedesncarlsbad

    it must have been the NYTs piece whose url I cited

  • newfloridian

    Sen. Ted Stevens,

    Guilty, Guilty, Guilty, Guilty, Guilty, Guilty, Guilty on all counts.

    Not a good news cycle for the Republican party today.

    Not only that but since Gov. Palin may have also used the same construction firm to build her house it offers her a view into her future. 2012 Palin will probably be running FROM other inmates instead of FOR the Presidency.

  • kathy

    archi – welcome to the swamp. Don’t spend a lot of time figuring out moderation unless it amuses you. Though we’ll give you a prize if you do figure it out.

  • ivb3016

    Karen has a Stevens post up.

  • kathy

    Stevens guilty plea is really going to torque Sarah. She may well have engaged in very similar practices in the building of her house (“It’s the way they do things in Alaska” may come home to roost). And the amazing thing is that she actually invited the investigation that’s going to look into this by asking the Personnel Board to look into Troopergate. And the investigator has made it clear he’s extending the complaints he’s looking into, and looking into more people.

  • kathy

    thanks ivb

  • viciousmaniac

    I hope Bibi wins and continues to further alienate that apartheid state from the rest of the world (even from the U.S.!) until real change happens in Israel.

  • pseudonymous in NC

    The real problem in Israel, as Joe noted up top, is that you have lots of little clientist parties, representing small groups, who want their special bennies in order to support a ruling coalition. In the past, both sides have essentially bought off enough clientist parties, but Livni’s already drawn a line in the sand, essentially saying that the tyranny of the minorities needs to end, which may finally bring about a realignment. Or might just create more of the same mess.

  • http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/profile.php?id=1191832308&ref=name Shakespeare in GA

    Anybody worried that McCain will use the Syria incident to try and drive home the only decent argument he has left–his experience?
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    (And when I say “decent” I mean factual, as opposed to the other stuff his campaign’s been slinging. And when I say “factual” I don’t necessarily mean that I think it matters. Just saying.)

  • pirate wench (demwoman)

    Shakespeare – If he does, he’ll manage to screw it up by going way way over the top in ape-sh*t macho mode and scare the he** out of everyone. I’m not worried :) .

  • deconstructiva

    … I don’t think those words were the ones that caused moderation in your other posts.

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    we can use more guidelines here on what’s ok and not

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